Im wiccan, and when people find out they tend to overreact, and say things about burning me ect.

does this happen to anyone else?

All the time. Why don't people take witches seriously anymore?

thank you

I know, i think they watch too much Charmed. I hate that show.

I've been getting hate email and Ims about it, saying im going to hell, People dont understand I don't believe in hell....

people need to be educated

outside of church

Just like the peace movement of the 60's was a counter-culture to the war in Vietnam, Wicca is a sort of counter-religion to Christianity. In Christianity, witchcraft used to always be considered consorting with the devil. And in fundamental/conservative Christian areas, it still is. Wicca gets a lot of its converts from people who dislike Christianity, because it's like an act of defiance against Christianity. Like how the 60's got its hippies from people who hated the Vietnam war. An act of defiance. So there you go.

I have nothing aginest Christianity, I just don't happen to believe in it. I guess I just don't understand how such a peaceful religion can be called Satanism, or even be related to it.

You must have professed your beliefs to them at some point. I'm not against speaking your mind, but surely you realize that most people are in the habit of either vehemently denying or attempting to refute the ideals of others that aren't similar to their own.

Basic human nature.

ya i did tell some people. and i see what your saying i guess i thought we're in the 2000's now and people could be openminded enough to handle it.

I am wizard.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I am wizard.

I am God. I pwn j00 with my uber-leet g0dliness!!!11

quote:Originally posted by T_R_U_T_H:

I am God. I pwn j00 with my uber-leet g0dliness!!!11



Lolz, Am USE u to make wind blow and make fire spelz LOLZ hey u got MSN MESSENGER YAHOO OR AIM? I WAMMA ADD YOU!

hmmm..

a wizard and a god...

thats cool

but i was kinda looking for like reactions

who do people react when you tell them that?

haha

You're held in disdain because you don't really believe this, you're just trying to be different, and that's patently obvious. Denying it just gives us all a good laugh. We don't hate you, we just unfairly look down upon you for what is really a natural instinct in adolescence, to be Individual. If you're not an adolescent, grow the fuck up

quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

You're held in disdain because you don't really believe this, you're just trying to be different, and that's patently obvious. Denying it just gives us all a good laugh. We don't hate you, we just unfairly look down upon you for what is really a natural instinct in adolescence, to be Individual. If you're not an adolescent, grow the fuck up



That actually has nothign to gdo iwith it. I ment like christians and such hate wiccans, say we're going to hell. That is what i wanted to know. Why other religions hate wiccans. I should have been more clear

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:



That actually has nothign to gdo iwith it. I ment like christians and such hate wiccans, say we're going to hell. That is what i wanted to know. Why other religions hate wiccans. I should have been more clear

Who else is hated by Christians? Pretty much anyone who is not Christian. Where are they going? Pretty much to HELL! *echo echo echo*

People want you to subscribe to their belief if they have one!

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

Im wiccan, and when people find out they tend to overreact, and say things about burning me ect.

does this happen to anyone else?

I bet you're only doing it to be an attention seeking whore.

quote:Originally posted by aussie_king:

I bet you're only doing it to be an attention seeking whore.

doing what?

Believing in Wicca?

if you have nothing of meaning to say then don't reply!

thanks Abrahim, that the kind of conversation i was looking for

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

doing what?

Believing in Wicca?

if you have nothing of meaning to say then don't reply!

thanks Abrahim, that the kind of conversation i was looking for





Whats your MSN Messenger, AIM, or YAHOO Messenger? I wanna adds you!?

When I meet a Wiccan or a neo-pagan, or any other idiot trying to revive futile rituals, I laugh in their face.

Speaking of which, could you draw a circle and put a spell on me so I can see the Goddess and be a really cool warlock/wizard/witch/whatever you pretentious idiots call yourselves... because I just wanna believe, man.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Whats your MSN Messenger, AIM, or YAHOO Messenger? I wanna adds you!?

Yahoo: Sarah_hrm15

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

When I meet a Wiccan or a neo-pagan, or any other idiot trying to revive futile rituals, I laugh in their face.

Speaking of which, could you draw a circle and put a spell on me so I can see the Goddess and be a really cool warlock/wizard/witch/whatever you pretentious idiots call yourselves... because I just wanna believe, man.



What religion are you/what do you believe?

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

What religion are you/what do you believe?





I sure as hell don't believe in Wicca. I just believe in love... bwahahahahahaha!!

I disblieve everything until I choose to believe it for whatever random reason, or any reason I choose.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:



I sure as hell don't believe in Wicca. I just believe in love... bwahahahahahaha!!

I disblieve everything until I choose to believe it for whatever random reason, or any reason I choose.



well that your choice.

Im not going to bother

Wicca comes from 'Wigga', which means White Nigger. Wiccas are people like Eminem.

quote:Originally posted by Ruzhky:

Wicca comes from 'Wigga', which means White Nigger. Wiccas are people like Eminem.



ummmm, Close.

this is the real background on the word Wicca:

In Old English wicca meant "A wizard, soothsayer, sorcerer, magician". The word has long been out of use. Its modern English descendant is the word witch. Other disputed derivations are from the Old English roots wiccae which meant wise one and craeft meaning craft. Wicca is often called the "Craft of the Wise", alluding to the latter derivation.



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If someone told me they were wicca I'd be like, cool tell me more.

quote:Originally posted by bain surgeon:

If someone told me they were wicca I'd be like, cool tell me more.

thats cool, and very openminded of you!

I can tell you anything you wanna know

just ask

im sorry i dont hate wickans. infact my gf is one and im a catholic but i just dont take the whole witch craft thing seriously i just think its funny. but i aint sayin stop wut u like to do

quote:Originally posted by Bruce4444:

im sorry i dont hate wickans. infact my gf is one and im a catholic but i just dont take the whole witch craft thing seriously i just think its funny. but i aint sayin stop wut u like to do

thats cool taht you guys can respect each others believes

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

thats cool, and very openminded of you!

I can tell you anything you wanna know

just ask



Do you seriously dress up in hoods and capes and go into the forests and light fires and cast spells? It all seems like a Famous Five adventure or something equally childish.

For real though, can you actually cast spells and make them work without the use of coincidence or bending facts to make the spell happen?

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

thats cool, and very openminded of you!

I can tell you anything you wanna know

just ask



Do you seriously dress up in hoods and capes and go into the forests and light fires and cast spells? It all seems like a Famous Five adventure or something equally childish.

For real though, can you actually cast spells and make them work without the use of coincidence or bending facts to make the spell happen?

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

All the time. Why don't people take witches seriously anymore?

I was joking here. I think you are a dumbass too. Have a nice day.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

thats cool, and very openminded of you!

I can tell you anything you wanna know

just ask



Do you seriously dress up in hoods and capes and go into the forests and light fires and cast spells? It all seems like a Famous Five adventure or something equally childish.

For real though, can you actually cast spells and make them work without the use of coincidence or bending facts to make the spell happen?

Okay.

dressing up in "hoods" I personally don't, but yes some wiccans do. the perpose of going into the woods and lighting fires(yes we do) is basically as a coven ( a group of witches that cast spells together and celebrate holidays together) go into nature (we warship nature, think of it as our church) and lighting a fire is usally a big part of spells. most have the 4 elements. Earth(nature) Air(wind) Fire(lighing a fire, or candle) and Water(usally near a stream outside, or a cup of water inside).

yes i can say I have casted spells and had results that cannot be explained by coincidences.

thanks for asking. i can make it more clear if you need

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

I was joking here. I think you are a dumbass too. Have a nice day.



thanks for wasting my and you time

Can you be more clear? As in specifics. What exactly did you do?

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Can you be more clear? As in specifics. What exactly did you do?

different things

Its kind of personal

like you telling me what you pray for (if you do pray)

but I'll tell you anything else



Edit:

if you mean how do i perform spells ill be happy to tell you





[This message has been edited by CaffeineJunkie (edited 05-24-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:



Edit:

if you mean how do i perform spells ill be happy to tell you



I want to know!

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I want to know!

Also you mention 4 elements but the Chinese believe in the elements of Wood and Metal also, something you probably already knew, I'm just mentioning it in general. Could you give everyone here a run down on Wicca, what it is, what it believes, what its books are, how to cast spells, what to do what not to do and why not to do what not to do, and any other facts? A nice little summary of all of Wiccanism in your word would be excellent.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I want to know!

DISCLAMIER: please do not use this and mess around with spells and witchcraft unless you know what you doing.

with that said

okay, it basically depends on what kind of spell your doing, lets say its a beauty spell(I've never done this, just using it as example)

You would need orange, or even pink candles, usally a mirror, vanilla scented inscence(or vanilla scented candles), a rose, and a wine glass of water.

set up the alter having the mirror behind the candles, inscence, ang glass. scatter the rose petals over the alter. sit so you can see everything in the mirror, even your face.

write a spell http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)making this up off the top of my head) "let the beauty inside of me shine through for the world to see" or something like that, can be long or short, and doesn't have to be like a poem or anything.

thank the gods. dump water and rose petals put outside(give them back to nature) and snuff out candles.

thats basically how its done.

anything else you would like to know?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Also you mention 4 elements but the Chinese believe in the elements of Wood and Metal also, something you probably already knew, I'm just mentioning it in general. Could you give everyone here a run down on Wicca, what it is, what it believes, what its books are, how to cast spells, what to do what not to do and why not to do what not to do, and any other facts? A nice little summary of all of Wiccanism in your word would be excellent.

okay i did the run down on spells.

Im not sure what you mean by books? like our bible?

we basically warship nature, we do spells, but follow a strict "Karma 3 fold law" which is whatever you send out for magick, be it good or bad, will come back to you times 3.

we also follow a rede which basically breaks down to "do what ye will, and harm none"

we respect nature very much, we ask permission when picking flowers, or things of that like. we believe in reincarnation. we believe in Karma.

we have the 4 elements: earth, Air, Fire, and water. if we have a lter set up, which i always do. it containes all of these elements.

my alter is this: candles(fire), insence(air), a wine glass of water, with salt in it to purify it(water) and i have a plant on mine.

each spell needs something different, like a love spell will have red and pink candles, while a money spell will have green.

now that i said that i have to talk about love and money spells, like i saiad we are strict, the only love spells you will ever see a wiccan cast would most likely be with their partner. we do not believe in making peopl do things aginest thier will.

as for money spells, again, a "no no", i have yet to think of a reason where i would do one. so lets say for example i do a spell to get money. my grandmother dies and i inharet money. thats an example of white magick gone black.

we call things like that grey magick because you never know what will happen.

excuse the spelling errors its late, and im tired, and i just typed a whole but load.

let me know if there is anythign else that needs to be more clear.

well Wicca>christian's but... there bolth still crazy mindless fools who needed to learn... about things that are *real*... might help, all im saying...

quote:Originally posted by scorpion:

well Wicca>christian's but... there bolth still crazy mindless fools who needed to learn... about things that are *real*... might help, all im saying...

well i believe its real

Why arent you just a Hindu? You can do all the same stuff still.

What did I write incorrectly in my definition of Wicca in my TRUE Religion topic? What I wrote is accepted both by Hinduism and Wiccanism, that there is an essential source, in which all dieties or spirits are aspects or parts of or descriptions of. There is no specific religious or dogmatic laws to Wiccanism, what you wrote as the Karmatic law of the 3 fold response and "Do what thou wilt but harm no one", the latter especially being a personal decision, the former being an often accepted belief but from what I can tell Wicca has no book of Law or Ultimate Authority, the ultimate being the Source. Respecting and appreciation for nature is fantastic and right, understanding the Source is right, asking the source through spells or prayers for whatever you want that is good for you and others is right.

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

we are strict, the only love spells you will ever see a wiccan cast would most likely be with their partner. we do not believe in making peopl do things aginest thier will.

as for money spells, again, a "no no", i have yet to think of a reason where i would do one.



Is it possible that you don't cast spells on those who are unwilling because your spells wouldn't work? I'm willing to have you cast whatever spell you wish on me, just to see if it would work. In a few days let me know what spell you cast, and when, and I'll tell you whether it worked or not.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Is it possible that you don't cast spells on those who are unwilling because your spells wouldn't work? I'm willing to have you cast whatever spell you wish on me, just to see if it would work. In a few days let me know what spell you cast, and when, and I'll tell you whether it worked or not.

I put a spell on you that you breath. The Spell will wear out eventually.

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

I have nothing aginest Christianity, I just don't happen to believe in it. I guess I just don't understand how such a peaceful religion can be called Satanism, or even be related to it.

The general idea is that if you are not for God, you are against Him. If you are against Him, you are for Satan, whether you believe you are, or not.

This obviously stems from the presupposition that there is God and Satan only.

Just explaining why Christians call it devil worshipping.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I put a spell on you that you breath. The Spell will wear out eventually.

I put a spell on the sun that it will continue to shine until it doesn't, so fuck you.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

I put a spell on the sun that it will continue to shine until it doesn't, so fuck you.

We are wizardz.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Is it possible that you don't cast spells on those who are unwilling because your spells wouldn't work? I'm willing to have you cast whatever spell you wish on me, just to see if it would work. In a few days let me know what spell you cast, and when, and I'll tell you whether it worked or not.



okay.

we dont cast spells because they wouldn't work. they would work

but we beleve in the threefold law.

which means what ever i cast on you will come back to me 3 times.

like say i cast a spell on you to fall and break you arm (sorry off the top of my head) it will happen but i will get hurt 3 times as bad.

see how it works?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Why arent you just a Hindu? You can do all the same stuff still.

What did I write incorrectly in my definition of Wicca in my TRUE Religion topic? What I wrote is accepted both by Hinduism and Wiccanism, that there is an essential source, in which all dieties or spirits are aspects or parts of or descriptions of. There is no specific religious or dogmatic laws to Wiccanism, what you wrote as the Karmatic law of the 3 fold response and "Do what thou wilt but harm no one", the latter especially being a personal decision, the former being an often accepted belief but from what I can tell Wicca has no book of Law or Ultimate Authority, the ultimate being the Source. Respecting and appreciation for nature is fantastic and right, understanding the Source is right, asking the source through spells or prayers for whatever you want that is good for you and others is right.



I don't happen in to much about hindu.

as for the incorrectness:

Wicca:

C:Wiccanism lacks any clearly defined or authoritative laws and beliefs, but mainly assists people in getting in touch with their spiritual self and using Magick to their advantage. There is no real right or wrong, no good or evil really, all is part of the Source. There is Dark and Light magic, Night and Day magic, and much more. Its a very free and new age form of Paganism which many different beliefs and no set of rules.



there is no dark magick in wicca, we believe in it yes, but we do not do it.

and we have main god and goddess.

the sun represents the god

and the moon represenbts the goddess

i wasn't trying to piss you off, or anything, you just left out a few main parts like the 3 fold law and the rede.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

We are wizardz.



if you are talking about wicca, male witches don't call them selves wizards, they are witches as well.

So cast a spell on me that will enable my alcohol tolerance to go higher and thus enable me to get drunker without passing out. You only stand to benefit.

*Drunken Slur* Eh Woked! I tenk..yikup*

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

So cast a spell on me that will enable my alcohol tolerance to go higher and thus enable me to get drunker without passing out. You only stand to benefit.



haha ill think about it.

Any other questions?

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:

Any other questions?

Sounds like something someone I know and love says!

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

We are wizardz.

I am teh w4rl0cK!!!11

quote:Originally posted by T_R_U_T_H:

I am teh w4rl0cK!!!11



I want you on my MSN, AIM, or YAHOO LISTS!

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Sounds like something someone I know and love says!



who would that be?

quote:Originally posted by CaffeineJunkie:



there is no dark magick in wicca, we believe in it yes, but we do not do it.



Why not?

You know that darkness is'nt evil right? You expecting to die from dark magic? darkness is the occupier ,at every point darkness waits to exist ,darkness exists without a source. darkness is a primordial force greater than any of the others.

I've yet to understand fully why people when reasoning through this come to the conclusion that dark is bad. It is dark that is always there. It is the Light that constantly encroaches upon the dark. Why then is dark bad? And even light causes shadow.

It seems to me that dark would be a force greater than any other...

that said I think magic ,as in magic spells and candles, is bullshit. Magic has lost it's , well for lack of a better word , magic. I persoally believe that when people actually practiced real magic they realized that props were there not to call down some supernatural deity , but to focus belief. Spells are in their nature meant to focus an individuals beliefs ,I thik that if we went back several hundred years a "witch" would be one who understood how belief worked. You have an icon, this is a focus for belief and the rituals bring it's "power" to the surface. If someone believes that magic is real in a literal sense and you openly curse them to their face ,waving around beads and hooting something dreadful ,they will act cursed. What better reason for a young church to censor magic? If they understand belief is a tool , better get rid of them. It is a tool and can easily be turned to controlling people.

Belief is the only element you need beleiev in friend ,and I promise you that if we ever met I could out cast you in the "spell" department ... Mainly because I have no belief in negative effects ... Or in the strength of your belief ...

True magic has been lost by yearning teenagers to seem cool and launch fireballs... Oh well ...



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This is true, Dark Magick is not considered evil but there are many books by Wiccans on it. Dark Magick has alternatively been called Night Magic, it typically includes blood ritual, in modern times using the blood of the individual performing the ritual. By Darkside Wiccans its not considered evil at all, just utilizing the opposite side as light. The Yin instead of the Yang. Some call it Femanine Energy. Dark Magick is usually performed at night and is often about non limitation in the gain of personal power. That still doesn't mean they use it for bad. People who perform Dark Magick have written many books, also guides to monsters and spirits of ethereal realms. Performers of Dark Magick tend to prefer connection with Gods or Spirits typically connected with night, femanine aspects, the moon, death, disease, destruction. This does not mean Dark Magicians use these Gods and Spirits to cause these things, but rather to appreciate these energies and channel them into personal use.

Keep in mind that most Wiccans when questioned deeply come to the conclusion that though there are various aspects and spirits and Gods that one can channel, they are all derivative of the singular Source which encompasses all things. This appreciation of all things from one Origin is what stops Wiccans on both ends of the spectrum (in most cases) from calling the other evil. Often the only evil one is the one who disbelieves violently or tends to be an energy draining "psychic vampire". Mostly of Dark Magick deals with and take precaution against "psychic vampires". Psychic Vampires are often just regular people who are not deliberately trying to drain the other or are aware of their tendency...

Ever been around a person and just feel fricken drained? That person would be a Psychic Vampire probably.

There are many books on both Light and Dark Magick, how to perform rituals in each, and the differences and similarities in both.

Perhaps the only thing considered bad or wrong in ritual is utilizing magic to harm, though typically and traditionally, magic was used since ancient times to both benefit and harm people.

True Magic has not been lost, it can be utilized by anyone still. Elaborate rituals are not required but may help in the process of focusing ones belief on what is to come to pass, the power of the mind is incredible.

Many Wiccans are completely aware of this and only utilize and accept ritual as a process of meditation to reach the end goal.

JesuitArtist do you have MSN, AIM, Yahoo Messenger? I'd like to add you to any of those please!

The blood usage of Dark magic seems to fit perfectly. Darkness ,to me ,is the more primal aspect of existence. The older of all "elements". Blood is also one of the most primal of all forces. Life has power , this is generally accepted, and blood is seen as a large component of this power.

Once again blood rituals are ones that focus belief ,and blood is an easy belief to utilise. It involves an initial sacrifice ,the spilling of blood, in some cases the ending of a life ,and a trade is often a large part of any ritual using belief. Look at most religions ,they are generally supportive of sacrifice ,often self-sacrifice.

People enjoy bargains , they like trading one thing for another. They enjoy even more gaining more from a deal.

I feel that "light" magic is a cop out , it generally has no sacrifice involved that involves any actual trying. The three times rule thingy is just a way of sacrificing without losing anything. And it seems to me to be a large hinderance. It is awakening the older beliefs that lead to the greatest effects. Bargaining strengthens that feeling that belief will be answered ,leading to greater effects...

shit .. where was this going ...

oh well ,bugger'it , Good night.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

True Magic has not been lost, it can be utilized by anyone still. Elaborate rituals are not required but may help in the process of focusing ones belief on what is to come to pass, the power of the mind is incredible.

Many Wiccans are completely aware of this and only utilize and accept ritual as a process of meditation to reach the end goal.

JesuitArtist do you have MSN, AIM, Yahoo Messenger? I'd like to add you to any of those please!



I'll accpet that True magic still exists , but it's been diluted. In an age where people believe more in a box of colour than a man in the sky it loses its hold over others. If no-one believes in magic it won't affect them ,just as belief can protect people.

I believ that when religiou people say that faith has aided them they are doing the same thing that magic aims to do. Belief itself seems to be a force ,a stupidly powrful one. Some people draw belief to themselves ,and it's these people that are revered as leaders. And they needn't be national leaders ,normal people can quite easily be seen to contain this charisma.

Umm.. damn ... I should never leave the computer in mid-post ... Oh well ... Bugger it.

And yeah ,My MSN is : You_knows_it88@hotmail.com, baring in mind that I'm rarely on there usually ... Although I may be on there tonight and tommorow night ...

i am not wiccan but a druid. people are always saying that they are scared that druids are crazy and make human sacrifices like every day and want to destroy humanity. it fucking pisses me off. we druids didnt do anything, exept have a different belief than others, so we get persecuted? what the fuck?

We do not believe in harming others, That includeds using blood in spells.

I don't know how else to say it.

we do not use "black, dark, or night" magick.

quote:Originally posted by beaver:

i am not wiccan but a druid. people are always saying that they are scared that druids are crazy and make human sacrifices like every day and want to destroy humanity. it fucking pisses me off. we druids didnt do anything, exept have a different belief than others, so we get persecuted? what the fuck?



Persecuted? I don't think so. People making fun of you is just that. Not serious. People don't take you seriously because :

A)They have no comprehension of Druidry.

B)You proclaim to be part of what is widely rgarded as a dead religion. And if It wan't a dead religion It would thus be secret and you wouldn't be telling any about it.

Deal with it. It's not a problem.

I'm fairly certain an actual druid would be borderline insane ,and sacrifices would be a pre-requisite. I'm not speaking from the position of knoledge ,but sacrifice seems to be an integral part of all religions and more physically so In druidry.

quote:We do not believe in harming others, That includeds using blood in spells.

I don't know how else to say it.

we do not use "black, dark, or night" magick.



You don't have to harm another to use "Blood-magic". Your own blood would suffice.

But let me re-phrase this: Why don't you use dark/night/black magic? The properties of black are purely protective and absorbing ....