Alright, So we all know that Stephen Hawking is The greatest physist of all time. His last book, can sum up the big bang theory, but he concludes in a manner of speaking that It starts with GOD and Ends with GOD.

The problem with this is what happens in the middle, as far a he is concerned nothing. The entire universe was an explosion of somesorts, Where did that explosion come from? Well, God of course. The Human mind can't grasp reality, as far as, No one will know everything. The universe is big. But believing in God, brings us closer to knowing everything.

Stephen Hawking deals with theory, and logic. He can not believe in god, but he does not deny god exists.

I guess what I am trying to say is the only reason we have God is because we are scared. We are lonely, and need something to believe in, something better for our shitty lives. But what if this is it? My money won't buy me a place in heaven, God dosen't sell out. It seems like he has. It seems like he is just gone.

If I wrote a book, and I said it was inspired by god, I would be considered a loon. Jesus was extremely rational, as far as his teachings were concerned. He has four books about him, But what was he doing from the ages of 12-30? Hmmm

Jesus was mortal, and so is God, he proved it. Jesus died for what he believed and not because he was sent here to die, If that were the case, that we would have no free will.

I have come to the conclusion, that the only reason God knows everything, is because he exists in our heads, and we know what we know and are scared of it.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Alright, So we all know that Stephen Hawking is The greatest physist of all time. His last book, can sum up the big bang theory, but he concludes in a manner of speaking that It starts with GOD and Ends with GOD.

The problem with this is what happens in the middle, as far a he is concerned nothing. The entire universe was an explosion of somesorts, Where did that explosion come from? Well, God of course. The Human mind can't grasp reality, as far as, No one will know everything. The universe is big. But believing in God, brings us closer to knowing everything.

Stephen Hawking deals with theory, and logic. He can not believe in god, but he does not deny god exists.

I guess what I am trying to say is the only reason we have God is because we are scared. We are lonely, and need something to believe in, something better for our shitty lives. But what if this is it? My money won't buy me a place in heaven, God dosen't sell out. It seems like he has. It seems like he is just gone.

If I wrote a book, and I said it was inspired by god, I would be considered a loon. Jesus was extremely rational, as far as his teachings were concerned. He has four books about him, But what was he doing from the ages of 12-30? Hmmm

Jesus was mortal, and so is God, he proved it. Jesus died for what he believed and not because he was sent here to die, If that were the case, that we would have no free will.

I have come to the conclusion, that the only reason God knows everything, is because he exists in our heads, and we know what we know and are scared of it.

What is God? Not some Diety in the sky or in another dimension. What is it we exist within? That the universe exists within? That everything is manifested within? That everything is dependant on? Reality. God is Reality, the Reality.

Abrahim, you already said in another thread you believe god judges you after you die.

So "reality" judges you, and decides some parts of "reality" are bad, and then rewards or punishes you based on that.

That's not the "everyday reality" we are familiar with. You got that from monotheistic religious teachings.

If god is just "everything" how can he sit back and judge some parts wrong?

How can something that "isn't a being", "isn't any kind of entity", make moral judgements?

I believe you are full of shit.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Alright, So we all know that Stephen Hawking is The greatest physist of all time.

Slow down. Not even close. From what I've heard, if you had to compile a list of the top 20 current physicists, Stephen Hawking wouldn't even make that list. So, for starters, tell me why Stephen Hawking deserves the title "greatest physisit of all time" [sic].

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

His last book, can sum up the big bang theory, but he concludes in a manner of speaking that It starts with GOD and Ends with GOD.

Wow. Surely a great scientists like Hawking would back up such statements with empirical evidence, or at the very least, a damn good argument. I haven't read his book, nor do I have time to do so. Could you summarize his reasoning?

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

The problem with this is what happens in the middle, as far a he is concerned nothing. The entire universe was an explosion of somesorts, Where did that explosion come from? Well, God of course. The Human mind can't grasp reality, as far as, No one will know everything. The universe is big. But believing in God, brings us closer to knowing everything.

Are these your thoughts, or has amyotrophic lateral sclerosis gotten the best of Hawking? Again, if Hawking somehow justifies this absurd hypothesis, please, summarize it for us.



quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Stephen Hawking deals with theory, and logic. He can not believe in god, but he does not deny god exists.

Again, wrong. A number of prominent scientists believe/d in God. Issac Newton is the first to come to mind (he spent more time studying his Bible than he did doing Physics!)



quote:Originally posted by bushy:

I guess what I am trying to say is the only reason we have God is because we are scared. We are lonely, and need something to believe in, something better for our shitty lives.

This is the only thing you say that's not completely and totally false. It's a plausible hypothesis, and I think there is some truth in it.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

But what if this is it? My money won't buy me a place in heaven, God dosen't sell out. It seems like he has. It seems like he is just gone.

This made no sense to me.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

If I wrote a book, and I said it was inspired by god, I would be considered a loon. Jesus was extremely rational, as far as his teachings were concerned. He has four books about him, But what was he doing from the ages of 12-30? Hmmm

Actually, there are somewhere on the order of two dozen gospels. The church decided all but four were heretical. Regarding what he was doing between the ages of 12-30, you name it, someone has claimed it.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Jesus was mortal, and so is God, he proved it. Jesus died for what he believed and not because he was sent here to die, If that were the case, that we would have no free will.

The Bible disagrees with you on this point. According to the bible Jesus "is risen." The Bible also claims that Jesus was sent here "so that those who believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life." And yeah, given the fact that God is omnipotent, we don't have free will (assuming theistic claims are true).

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

I have come to the conclusion, that the only reason God knows everything, is because he exists in our heads, and we know what we know and are scared of it.

This made no sense to me. Are you claiming that God knows everything because the sum of humanity knows everything?

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Abrahim, you already said in another thread you believe god judges you after you die.

So "reality" judges you, and decides some parts of "reality" are bad, and then rewards or punishes you based on that.

That's not the "everyday reality" we are familiar with. You got that from monotheistic religious teachings.

If god is just "everything" how can he sit back and judge some parts wrong?

How can something that "isn't a being", "isn't any kind of entity", make moral judgements?

I believe you are full of shit.

Well thats because I ate alot of food last night Jimmy!

I believe we are the witnesses and the judges, that somethings are wrong for us and right for us, some things benefit us and harm us.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Well thats because I ate alot of food last night Jimmy!

I believe we are the witnesses and the judges, that somethings are wrong for us and right for us, some things benefit us and harm us.

As I mentioned in another post, judgement and recompense and the cycle of life has been in the most ancient religions and belief systems even from the earliest times we know of in human history. Its not a new concept.

The most ancient Concept is God is Reality, Everything is under its control and is from it, that what you do comes back on you later, if you do good you get good, if you do bad you get bad.

Later it became that each aspect of Realities control became its own seperate diety through a misunderstanding of an attempt to humanize it in a metaphor of a being such as a diety and it became a whole pantheon of dieties soon to represent each little aspect of Reality, but the concept of good recompense bad recompense has remained in history and around the world for centuries, even ancient china and mongolia, egypt, and many more.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

The most ancient Concept is God is Reality, Everything is under its control and is from it, that what you do comes back on you later, if you do good you get good, if you do bad you get bad.



1. I can see why those are popular beliefs, but that doesn't make them true.

2. That does nothing to explain why "reality" is the way it is.

3. Saying "god is reality" still doesn't mean anything.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Everything is under its control and is from it, that what you do comes back on you later, if you do good you get good, if you do bad you get bad.





As far as "what comes back on you later" ... when is this "later"? After you're dead? Because I think it would be safe to assume that this Reality ceases to exist after you're dead.

In that case, what you are describing is an alternate reality, a reality that only exists within someone's brain, a reality that when you die, no longer exists. How does this reality manifest itself again to "pay back" all the wrongdoings of the former reality?

How would the entity (person) that once existed take any kind of punishment/reward from a state of reality that cannot be observed once they are no longer conscious?

The only punishments or rewards one could ever hope to experience is while they are alive. Death ends all. Experiencing, observing and reacting ends there.