This is just a link to a website dedicated to showing where Christianity has its roots. As it is a very interesting site with much information, I would like whoever is interested to read it. Just copy and paste if it is not a direct link.

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/Revelation.html

My contact information: enlightend1_truth@hotmail.com

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Christianity's roots lie in Christ, and the Church He founded, the Roman Catholic Church. Now people ALWAYS say, "Jesus isn;t Catholic, He was born a Jew He died a Jew etc."

The term Catholic didn't exist until the east/west split occurred, whichleft us with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. Prior to that, it was all called Christian. ANYTHING referring to early Christians, is referring to the CATHOLIC Church. So, in saying that Christ "isn't Catholic", you are actually trying to say that Christ is not a Christian. Funny, that.

God Bless,

Tri.

Looks like some weird satanist/UFO cult site.

quote:Originally posted by Ringdo:

Looks like some weird satanist/UFO cult site.

I have to agree, and I'm an atheist. That site looks dodgy.

First, it apperes 'Tri' did not bother viewing the site. Second, the information posted on this page would be the same as if I were to post it on Totse, then perhaps everyone would see it differently. Of course I enjoy your oppinions, but please think of the information, the the design of the site. Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by Enlightend1_Truth:

First, it apperes 'Tri' did not bother viewing the site. Second, the information posted on this page would be the same as if I were to post it on Totse, then perhaps everyone would see it differently. Of course I enjoy your oppinions, but please think of the information, the the design of the site. Thanks.



It wasn't the skulls that threw me.

It was all the speech of 'psychic energy' and 'spells.' It says the bible was like infused with psychic energy to make it believable; that's where I stopped reading.

Sounds like an occult itself.

I'm all for having a little pop at the Christians every now and then, but:

"The following articles provide proof that everything in the Christian religion and in the bible has been STOLEN from other religions that predated it from all around the world. Christianity is a tool for removing spiritual/occult knowledge from the populace so this power can be kept in the hands of a few to manipulate and enslave the masses."

Speaks for itself, really.

Jx

AT LEAST half the bible was a direct ripoff of the Torah... the rest was from the muslims, some from the nomadic tribes that lived around israel and some made up on the spot. (for example, hell was not a christian concept until about 400 AD)

quote:Originally posted by CuisinartBlade:

AT LEAST half the bible was a direct ripoff of the Torah...

Considering Jesus was a Jew it wouldn't make sense if the bible didn't contain the old testament.

quote:Originally posted by trichocereus pachanoi:

Christianity's roots lie in Christ, and the Church He founded, the Roman Catholic Church. Now people ALWAYS say, "Jesus isn;t Catholic, He was born a Jew He died a Jew etc."

The term Catholic didn't exist until the east/west split occurred, whichleft us with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. Prior to that, it was all called Christian. ANYTHING referring to early Christians, is referring to the CATHOLIC Church. So, in saying that Christ "isn't Catholic", you are actually trying to say that Christ is not a Christian. Funny, that.

God Bless,

Tri.

Can you provide evidence of that?

The Gospel of Thomas was a book that had a list of wise words Jesus said, which a few went into the Bible. There were many more books, such as the Apocalypse of Peter, the Gospel of Nicodemus, etc.

However, the "Catholic" Church suppressed some materials, which leads me to question why were there so many opinions/ideals if every Christian could be labelled "Catholic". The Gnostics were one example of "Un-Catholics".

Therefore, Catholics preached about Jesus' public messages of Jesus, which is love Yahveh, give your taxes to the Romans, etc. The Gnostics, on the otherhand, preached about the private messages of Jesus, such as the universe was created by Samael, you must wake up ( enlightenment ) to enter heaven, etc.

So no, Christianity was divided into many groups that had their own "bibles", before one bible was made official.

And yes, Jesus died as a Jew, and he would come back to Earth as a Jew.

quote:Originally posted by trichocereus pachanoi:

Christianity's roots lie in Christ, and the Church He founded, the Roman Catholic Church. Now people ALWAYS say, "Jesus isn;t Catholic, He was born a Jew He died a Jew etc."

The term Catholic didn't exist until the east/west split occurred, whichleft us with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. Prior to that, it was all called Christian. ANYTHING referring to early Christians, is referring to the CATHOLIC Church. So, in saying that Christ "isn't Catholic", you are actually trying to say that Christ is not a Christian. Funny, that.

God Bless,

Tri.



Pardon me, but your Christian history seems to be a little rusty. The term 'Catholic', which literally means universal, came about during the time of Irenaeus. The Christians were widely divided, and Ireneaus, as one among many in Christian history, believed that Christianity would die out unless they united into a single entity. This was caused by the heavy persecution of Christians. Quite frankly Ireneaus and Polycarp, Irenaeus's teacher whom probably is responsible in a large part for Ireneaus's actions, were correct in their judgement that the Christians needed to unite. And so the term Catholic was used far before the the Eastern Orthodox came about, my friend.

Now on to the second portion of your error...

Christ was not a Catholic and Catholicism is neither the only Christian group, as you seem to insenuate, nor is it what he supposedly preached. It was meant to unite, and that is all. The council at Nicaea had a responsibility of making Christianity acceptable to the mostly pagan peoples under Roman authority. This was, of course, Constantine's aim. They incorporated pagan festivals, and many of the polytheistic figures became ingrained into the sainthood concept. It was more acceptable because it was still slightly pagan. Jesus said that his followers shall call no man on earth father, and that the only one whom we need to follow as a teacher is him. He called the corrupt officials who preached morality in the streets and went home to a luxurious life hypocrites. He is noted to have explained to his apostles that a rich man ascending to the kingdom of heaven is as difficult as fitting a donkey through a needle hole.

The Catholic Church is led by a man 'closer to God' than all of the normal Christians and up until very recently the church was tied into violence, the officials lived extremely lavish lifestyles, popes like Innocent III were wholly immoral and committed things like incest, and sought primarily for earthly fulfillment.

No, Christ was no a Catholic, nor would he be one if he returned today.

---Btw, as some of you already know, I am not a Christian.

one of the staple beliefs of Judaeism is that Christ never existed. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that Christ believes He exists, wouldn't you? The Jews rejected Christ, and His message. The followers of Christ were known as Christians. Now, while what you claim about Gnostics is somewhat true, you mustn't forget that Christ said to St Peter : "You are the Rock upon which I shall build My Church,". This sentence tells us that Christ founded HIS CHURCH, the Holy Catholic Church. In this moment, He instituted St Peter as the first Pope. The Christian Faith, has operated under the guidance of the Pope since that day. There have been those, as you mentioned, who disagreed with certain facts, and created sectarian groups etc. They practise a faith known as heresy, they are either heretic, or in schism, or not in communion with Rome. This means that when you refer to the early Christian Church, these sectarian groups are not part of that Church.

And take also into consideration, that while the Gnostics may believe they have extra Gospels (Gospel of Judas, etc.), what they have does not have ecclesiastical approval and is therefore bogus. I mean, if I write a shopping list tomorrow, and then in 1500 years time, somebody comes across it miraculously preserved etc. I sure hope they don't try to found the new religion of the "Three loaves of bread and a cartin of Milk" scrolls or something(!)

Also, when you talk about the Catholic Church "excluding" books form the Bible, you got it a little wrong (methinks our firend Mr Brown maybe to blame?). It was actually the Protestants who decided to remove books from the Bible (The Books of the Maccabees, etc). They then labelled these Deuterocanonical Books as "Apocrypha", when they have never been lost, and are in every proper Bible that has been printed - from the Vulgate, to the NSRV Catholic Edition.

You seem to have heard a little bit of somethingm, and then been swallowed whole by false doctrines, and heresy. Just remember when you study all of these things out there, that you have to be careful with it all, and not all of it is actually true.

God Bless,

Tri.

A more important issue I believe is the explanation, the proper explanation, of Open Blasphemy and the insults to God which Christianity promotes, such as "God was a baby" "God died" "God lived as a man" "God is in the image of man" (Judaism gets that one too) "God is the Father" "Jesus is the begotten son of God" "We are Gods Children" etc.

oh, hi, abrahim... hey I don't use MSN, but you can email me at trichocereus_pachanoi@hushmail.com if you want to discuss things - your viewpoint is unique, and I am interested in hearing more about what you believe, and more specifically how you came to believe it...

God Bless,

Tri.

quote:Originally posted by trichocereus pachanoi:

oh, hi, abrahim... hey I don't use MSN, but you can email me at trichocereus_pachanoi@hushmail.com if you want to discuss things - your viewpoint is unique, and I am interested in hearing more about what you believe, and more specifically how you came to believe it...

God Bless,

Tri.

Tri! I'm not a huge fan of emails! You can email me! abrahimesker@hotmail.com . Feel free to download http://messenger.msn.com and we can have a fantastic conversation!



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To Theophany and All Christians: Please Read the Following with an Open Mind, Do not Close your eyes or ears or mind or heart to this, this is for your life, be wise.

Christianity promotes OPEN Blasphemy against the Sublime and Supreme nature of the One God. They say God came to Earth as a Man, God is in the image of Man, God had a Begotten Son who is Him, God is 3 in 1, God was a baby, God had a Mother, God died, The blood of Jesus forgives the sins of all people, etc.

Firstly, God is One, One whole, Essentially God is all there is and ever was, God is here there and everywhere within without you are dependant on it.

Secondly, God is not a man, nor is God in the image of Man, Men are not the Children of God, God does not have Children, Men are Men, they are part of God, existing within God and only By God.

Thirdly, Jesus is not a God, Jesus was in the image of a man because he was a man, I do not believe Jesus ever claimed to be God or the son of God despite what the New Testament invents about him. Jesus was a man, born as a baby, grew into age, he was a part of God as much as a tree or a grain of sand, he was no more than a human, he brought the people a message, the message was ignored as it is now.

Fourthly, Blood does not forgive sins, nor does someone ELSE dying, the Jewish tradition of Scapegoat does not apply, it was the tradition to kill a lamb or goat and forgive the sins of a village, Jesus is called the Lamb of God for this reason, to say that the death of something can forgive those who do not ask for forgiveness is a blasphemy, Jesus is not a Savior, No man can save another man, we can only save ourselves, we are our own saviors, it is up to us to communicate with the Supreme God and ask for forgiveness, there are no intermediaries, Jesus Jonas Jack and Jill can not forgive you, not by dying, not by living, not by anything, they have no power, to God is all the power.

Christians would be wise to CEASE and DESIST in the promotion of BLASPHEMY against the ONE GOD by inventing LIES about the NATURE of GOD and REALITY.

Science should have no conflict with the True God, The True God is where all things inside and out of this universe came from.

Do not be Stubborn, You are wise enough to understand that there is a God, you should be wise enough to accept the true nature of God and not to BLASPHEMY repeatedly about the SUPREME AND ULTIMATE Nature of God.

Their arguments are to make you lose God, Do not Lose God, God is not what you have been imagining or inventing in your imagination, nor is God a man or a woman or a thing created, God is infront of you at all times, open your eyes and see, you are living God, existing because of God, and it is to God you return. There is no Escape, Jesus is nothing but a man and a servant of God, one who submitted himself and accepted the Truth, he made no claims to divinity, he was not a Blasphemer, Cease and Desist.

They can break your idols, so break your idols for them, God is not an Idol, nor does God have an image, but all images are within God.

You are not the Children of God, you are the Creation of God, God in all majesty and wonder manifested you, and developed you slowly, and this earth, and evolved you, Do you not see the intricacy and beauty, will you not submit to the Reality of which you are completely dependant?

God is the originator of all things, Do not say that God did not Create some things, God manifested all things, existing and non existing, seen and unseen, known and unknown, there is NO creator but God, all men can do is manipulate what they have available, invent what is possible, the possibilities provided and manifested by God.

Drop the Blasphemous Book, the New Testament, Which Invents lie after lie about God and Jesus. You do not lose God by dropping a book full of blasphemy, Go on a journey to find the truth, or come to me and I will show you the truth, abrahimesker@hotmail.com on MSN, abrahim_esker@yahoo.com, abrahimesker on AIM.

There is one Religion and there has always been one Religion, with One God, and man repeatedly mutates it into something new, go to the root and it is one truth.

For the sake of your own being, and for your own benefit in this life and the next, cease and desist in uttering blasphemy about God with little knowledge and understanding, you are only harming yourself by promoting blasphemy, God is far beyond what many invent, but God should not be beyond understanding, God is apparent for those who choose to see, and that is a minority.

There is no Being in the Sky that is Worthy of Worship, the only worthy of Submission is the One God, Not some man in an alternate dimension but the Ultimate Reality which holds your very existance and the existance of all things with all might. All Power Belongs to God. God is not 3, God is One, Nor does God have 3 parts, If you will make divisions, then Divide God for all God's innumerable aspects, and All that is within God. God is One, Reality is One, All is One, Submit.

I am not a promoter of an Evil Word, I am not a servant of blasphemy, I wish for you to Cease and Desist in Blasphemy, if you have even a fraction of good and sense in you, you will see what I am saying as the truth. I am not Satan or the Enemy of God or Jesus. I am the enemy of Blasphemy.