Is he not? and why?

Not only is he mortal. He's dead.

God is not mortal. The simple reason is that He is always consistant. He provides the same forgiveness in Christ to me as he does to everyone else. It is a free gift offered to the world. Then again I can not just put Him in a box. He is eternal, but eternity is quite a mystery to me so I can not fully answer this question.

*Newsflash*

"This just in: it appears that God doesn't exist. A man tested the hypothesis of God's existance by lowering himself into the lion den at the Kiev Zoo in Ukraine while shouting 'God will save me, if he exists'. The man was then attacked and killed by a lioness. No comment was heard from God regarding the incident."

True story. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13157554/)

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

*Newsflash*

"This just in: it appears that God doesn't exist. A man tested the hypothesis of God's existance by lowering himself into the lion den at the Kiev Zoo in Ukraine while shouting 'God will save me, if he exists'. The man was then attacked and killed by a lioness. No comment was heard from God regarding the incident."

True story. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13157554/)

Obviously God doesn't like idiots!

I've told you people a million times what God is, how God exists, how God is not a man like you're all imagining, even atheists seem to imagine God in an imaginary invented form for them to bash on.

Abrahim, your words and you beliefs are not consistent.

You say you define god as reality, which would make god lose all meaning, then you also say the Koran is divine and contains scientific miracles. The latter indicates you believe god is more than just reality, you believe he gave people divine knowledge...

For real man, no one is going to take you seriously when you don't even believe or know what you are saying.

Mormons believe that God live on a planet called Kolob.

I believe I saw "God" one time. I realized God's space cannot be measured, all thoughts and language fall just before "God", and "God" is here, there, everywhere, in this moment, timeless, incomprehensible, beyond imagination. God is you, God is me, he and them, they, the animals, the water and cars, the universe never ends and never begins in both space and time. I believe everyone will have a day in some lifetime where they realize God has always been RIGHT there, it was simply their own awareness that was "off".

In fact, Buddha talks much of God though you can't really tell. He's more interested in his path to God than talking incessantly about things that can't be talked about.

To see God you can try to breathe very controlled and slowly laying down for about 6 hours straight without much interruption at all.

Betcha can't.

Just what do you depict as "God"? Isn't "God" supposed to be everything, the entire universe? Is it so hard to believe that this entire universe is alive? Is it so hard to SEE it? Maybe when the big rich men in suits snatched up your mushrooms and plants, they snatched up a piece of our birthright...

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if god is always going to be there in heaven wathcing us and judging us and is supposedly forgiving, then why does he allow people who are falsely convicted of crimes to have their lives ruined?

You jesus praising cunt stains are silly.

God is so much more then that.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Abrahim, your words and you beliefs are not consistent.

You say you define god as reality, which would make god lose all meaning, then you also say the Koran is divine and contains scientific miracles. The latter indicates you believe god is more than just reality, you believe he gave people divine knowledge...

For real man, no one is going to take you seriously when you don't even believe or know what you are saying.

I'm sorry you can not see that they are consistant. Defining God as Reality does not make God lose all meaning, but returns God to the proper definition, the original definition, it might help some understand a little better and stop them from worshipping false idols of their own invention. What you imagine as divine communication is perhaps different than my definition, the communication is constant.

If reality is God it is not a being, so isn't God.

What you write is rubbish, it is not consistent with the concept of God.

Anyway if God exists God is immortal. This is cause God has to be the ultimate being, to be mortal is not ultimate.

Or God doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:

to be mortal is not ultimate.

I want proof of this now. You can't make such a claim without proving it. And don't pull a "common knowledge" card. I want evidence.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I'm sorry you can not see that they are consistant. Defining God as Reality does not make God lose all meaning, but returns God to the proper definition, the original definition, it might help some understand a little better and stop them from worshipping false idols of their own invention. What you imagine as divine communication is perhaps different than my definition, the communication is constant.

Perhaps the problem is your communication. If you are saying that "god is reality" then I take it to mean that the reality that I know is what you call god. Thus god has lost meaning, because he is nothing more than reality.

The other way I can interpret this is that "reality is god," which means that my perception of reality has thus far been drastically incorrect because miracles, paranormal phenomena, divine intervention, judgement, rapture, etc... don't have any evidence of existing in "reality". To believe in these things is to believe in them without any evidence--faith.

I say the universe is reality. The universe is governed by "laws" that intelligent humans have been able to figure out to an extent. These laws do not permit the existance of certain things... The concept of god generally allows the exitance of anything because god is omnipotent. Is your god/reality omnipotent? Apparently you believe this god/reality communicated scientific miracles to the author(s) of the koran... What does that say about the god/reality that you know?

As I see it, it says that the god/reality that you know is very different than the universe/reality that I know. And I know my beliefs are based on evidence as opposed to faith.

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quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Apparently you believe this god/reality communicated scientific miracles to the author(s) of the koran... What does that say about the god/reality that you know?

Abrahim, that is a valid question. How does the Qur'an fall into it? That one portion of your explanation always seems to trail off unanswered.

On Abe's note:

Just because miracles are or have been communicated doesn't mean that it was a god who did the communicating.

You can peer into reality, beyond reality, and see things previously thought unseeable, things that some people wouldn't even believe you saw, no matter what you say (and alot of times, when dealing in these matters, your word is all you have to go on).

Just because a book holds miracles doesn't mean a god/reality had to be the one to tell them. Seers, mystics, and the like could have pierced the fabric and brought out what we needed to know at the time. The inclusion of prophetic events on its pages could be the result of a precog, wiccan, psychic, or something else.

No communication by a higher being is necessary, only the knowledge and wisdom to comprehend.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Abrahim, that is a valid question. How does the Qur'an fall into it? That one portion of your explanation always seems to trail off unanswered.

Is not a tree in a forest a divine word, a communication? No, it's just a tree, the Qur'an is just a book, but both in my opinion hold the truth. So says the Naked One: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Abrahim_Esker/?action=view&current=ang3.jpg

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

I say the universe is reality.

I say the universe is WITHIN Reality. Reality being what the universe is held within, take away the universe, and there is only Reality, imageless, nothing, but its not nothing, its Reality.

(At the Bottom it explains Omnipotence but you might get some more understanding of my ideas from reading the whole thing)

"""If God Appeared to you"

That statement just makes me want to cry.

You expect some BEING to appear to you and perform magic tricks? Worship David Copperfield (Not Lance Burton cause he uses fake birds I went up on stage once and...)

The Real God has Appeared to you from the moment you opened your little baby eyes. God's magic trick is all around you, the manifestation of the entire universe and every single aspect of it, inside and out, your thoughts, the possibilities and all encompassed within Reality.

Do you think some being did that? Something that appears in a form and performs magic tricks is capable of being God? God is one, and not any single thing in the universe is God, but all are within, made of, part of, existing only by, and dependant on God, which is the ultimate Reality which we exist within.

Why call it God? Because thats the only thing worthy of submission, the strongest ultimate factor in your life, there is no Man or Being so why would you believe in such a thing or even consider for a moment that some THING can be God when God encompasses ALL Things, all THINGS dependant on God.

If it can "appear" in a singular form in reality, it is NOT God, but a part of God as much as a doorknob or a molecule or a thought.

How much more apparent do you want it? But you act deaf and blind and without senses when you have your senses, you can't see it? Can't you hear it? Won't you understand?

"No, that's not God" they say "God is not Reality it is just an idea people created to feel good" Really? Reality was created by human thought? If you stripped the entire universe and all that is within it, there would be nothing, nothing but Reality, which is what we exist within, it is in the image of nothing if you strip it of all that it is within, but it is not nothing, it is the Manifestor of Worlds.

Nothing can only do nothing, if there was ever pure nothing, so too would there now be absolute nothing. Nothing has no capacity to hold anything, have anything manifest, or basically do anything.

Is Reality Dead? Inanimate? Senseless? Can you not see how what is within it is in constant animation every moment, that if it was dead it would not exist and so too would nothing exist? It has no sense? Are you senseless? You're the proof against yourselves, it is the posessor of "Sense".

Every thought you can possibly think is possible because of it held within it, manifested by it, you utilize it and are dependant on it every moment of your life. But someone told you a man who was a baby is God? So you fight it, and rightly so, but then you're so stuck on the idea that you blind yourself to the Reality, to the Real God, the Original, and the Originator.

Its so easy and so obvious and so clear. There is no God but the God I am telling you about, and there is nothing greater than it, it is what you should submit to, the submission will bring inner peace.

Its easy to say there is no God when you've invented some idol to break. When you say it to me its like you're speaking something completely absurd, like saying "We exist in Nothing, and Nothing only Exists" A Lie. Prove it? You are the proof, I am the proof, Everything is the Proof.

There was no Being molding things like a man, nor is God in your image, but you are images within God.

Science and Religious Truth has NO CONFLICT save those who lie and make conflict. To deny what is Real to Defend a False Idol, Christianity has really made an error, and so to have the other religions eventually when at their core their message should be essentially be the same.

From the most ancient hunter gatherer religions and polytheistic religions the idea is one idea which becomes mutated by people. "There is Reality, It has Many Aspects, It is where we come from, All things are dependant on it but it is self sufficient" Then from the One True God does it slowly evolve, each aspect is named, then metaphorically described to help people understand in a humanistic way and soon a whole pantheon of Gods develop from the One, Hinduism still has this history of how its religion evolved and that its root is monotheistic and its God is Reality.

People did not Develop the original idea of God, it was an understanding of what is Real and True which later in explanation transformed into something very misleading and false.

God makes the rain fall, no the weather does, All in the same.

God makes the universe expand, no thats just an effect due to certain aspects of the universe, All in the same.

Exchange the word God for Reality as it should be, it is one word.

But how can God be Omnipotent?

om·nip·o·tent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-np-tnt)

adj.

Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at

Reality is. You are completely dependant on it, as is everything in this universe and all possible universes.

But how can God be omniscient?

om·nis·cient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-nshnt)

adj.

Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient deity; the omniscient narrator.

And of Knowledge, All things are Made. Information, Mathematics, What Knows everything other than what Everything is within and made of?

This is God, You are the Witness, You are the Proof, You are the one that testifies."

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Is not a tree in a forest a divine word, a communication? No, it's just a tree, the Qur'an is just a book, but both in my opinion hold the truth. So says the Naked One: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Abrahim_Esker/?action=view¤t=ang3.jpg (http: //smg.phot obucket.co m/albums/v 295/Abrahi m_Esker/?a ction=view ¤t=ang3.jp g)

Like I said, the question always trailed off, unanswered...

Now go put some clothes on, Junior.

Abrahim, you still haven't connected the dots fully with your concept of God and reality.

If I understand you correctly, Reality (God) told the authors of the Quran some wonderful scientific truths, which makes the Quran holy. How nice. In other words, the authors of the Quran were intelligent scientists. Should we now consider science textbooks as holy? After all, they do contain marvelous revelations about Reality (God).

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:

Abrahim, you still haven't connected the dots fully with your concept of God and reality.

If I understand you correctly, Reality (God) told the authors of the Quran some wonderful scientific truths, which makes the Quran holy. How nice. In other words, the authors of the Quran were intelligent scientists. Should we now consider science textbooks as holy? After all, they do contain marvelous revelations about Reality (God).

You didn't understand me correctly. Doesn't Reality (God) tell you wonderful scientific truths all the time? Do you listen to them? The Book is made of Paper, it is a bunch of words on paper, but they say things, so do science text books.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Like I said, the question always trailed off, unanswered...

Now go put some clothes on, Junior.



I think perhaps you just don't like the answers, so they seem distant, trailing off unanswered, but they are stationary, I believe it is the reader unsatisfied, trailing off.

Try actually having a conversation and answer the questions as opposed to a copy/paste job.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Try actually having a conversation and answer the questions as opposed to a copy/paste job.

For those who read.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

You didn't understand me correctly. Doesn't Reality (God) tell you wonderful scientific truths all the time? Do you listen to them? The Book is made of Paper, it is a bunch of words on paper, but they say things, so do science text books.

So science textbooks are holy, then?

Going back to the whole "God is Mortal" thing...

Ever read the comic series "Preacher?" Might be an interesting read...

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

For those who read.

When you type something directed at my comments then I read it. Here you have spent no effort to just copy and paste a rant of yours while totally ignoring what I said. Try tailoring your explanations to the specific questions asked. That is how a conversation works.

I'm just looking out for you here, you come off as unable to deal with criticism of your beliefs when you totally ignore comments, or just copy/paste something that does not answer the question. It's really like pulling teeth dealing with you.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

When you type something directed at my comments then I read it. Here you have spent no effort to just copy and paste a rant of yours while totally ignoring what I said. Try tailoring your explanations to the specific questions asked. That is how a conversation works.

I'm just looking out for you here, you come off as unable to deal with criticism of your beliefs when you totally ignore comments, or just copy/paste something that does not answer the question. It's really like pulling teeth dealing with you.

What was it you said that I didn't answer? Thanks for looking out for me though I appreciate it, if you could tell me what it is I didn't answer then I can maybe answer it cause I think I'm missing it, hopefully not on purpose.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

On Abe's note:

Just because miracles are or have been communicated doesn't mean that it was a god who did the communicating.

Just because a book holds miracles doesn't mean a god/reality had to be the one to tell them. Seers, mystics, and the like could have pierced the fabric and brought out what we needed to know at the time. The inclusion of prophetic events on its pages could be the result of a precog, wiccan, psychic, or something else.

No communication by a higher being is necessary, only the knowledge and wisdom to comprehend.

And that in my opinion is a communication, and inspirtion. When you find the truth, are you not in communication with Reality?

quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:

If reality is God it is not a being, so isn't God.

What you write is rubbish, it is not consistent with the concept of God.

Anyway if God exists God is immortal. This is cause God has to be the ultimate being, to be mortal is not ultimate.

Or God doesn't exist.

And a Being is Ultimate? In my opinion, a Being can never be "Ultimate" for the simple reason that it is a Being, and within the Ultimate, if it was not, it wouldn't exist, because nothing exists outside of ULTIMATE REALITY.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Abrahim, your words and you beliefs are not consistent.

You say you define god as reality, which would make god lose all meaning, then you also say the Koran is divine and contains scientific miracles. The latter indicates you believe god is more than just reality, you believe he gave people divine knowledge...

For real man, no one is going to take you seriously when you don't even believe or know what you are saying.

"You define God as Reality which would make God lose all meaning" That just doesn't jive with me, Reality has no meaning? Is it not the most important thing?

Is not all knowledge of Truth Divine?

I think the play on words doesn't catch on with some.

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

I believe I saw "God" one time. I realized God's space cannot be measured, all thoughts and language fall just before "God", and "God" is here, there, everywhere, in this moment, timeless, incomprehensible, beyond imagination. God is you, God is me, he and them, they, the animals, the water and cars, the universe never ends and never begins in both space and time. I believe everyone will have a day in some lifetime where they realize God has always been RIGHT there, it was simply their own awareness that was "off".

In fact, Buddha talks much of God though you can't really tell. He's more interested in his path to God than talking incessantly about things that can't be talked about.

To see God you can try to breathe very controlled and slowly laying down for about 6 hours straight without much interruption at all.

Betcha can't.

Just what do you depict as "God"? Isn't "God" supposed to be everything, the entire universe? Is it so hard to believe that this entire universe is alive? Is it so hard to SEE it? Maybe when the big rich men in suits snatched up your mushrooms and plants, they snatched up a piece of our birthright...



Listen to this guy! He is Right! God is infront of you surrounding you always, open your eyes!

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

No communication by a higher being is necessary, only the knowledge and wisdom to comprehend.

In all things, you are utilizing God, you are completely dependant on what it provides. Without God not a thing would happen nor would anything exist. This is because God is not some being seperate in some distant place, God is what you exist within and are made of entirely, dependant on completely. Does that make it irrelevant? I don't think so. You can find peace through submission and understanding of this essential truth.

quote:Originally posted by CBUM:

if god is always going to be there in heaven wathcing us and judging us and is supposedly forgiving, then why does he allow people who are falsely convicted of crimes to have their lives ruined?

Why didn't God just instantly make everyones life wonderful and without event, in fact, why did God create us at all, just to make us live sucky lives, then again, why did God give us a mind and the ability to percieve and decide on how you percieve everything you encounter, what kind of mercy is that? God should've made us without choice, without any evil in the world, no pain, nothing, no obstacles, nor the ability or choice to percieve, I believe we should be like machines, moving round and round like planet with no choice or ability to percieve. No?

I think one should appreciate life, the good and the bad, we have the choice in how we percieve and think about something, how we put obstacles infront of ourselves, how we test ourselves, and how we witness ourselves.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

And a Being is Ultimate? In my opinion, a Being can never be "Ultimate" for the simple reason that it is a Being, and within the Ultimate, if it was not, it wouldn't exist, because nothing exists outside of ULTIMATE REALITY.

so you think we are all in god, which is reality.

so do you even believe in a god? or are you just saying the big thing is reality, the universe, and it all.

do you perceive any consciousness in it at all

if it is not a being, it is not a god. it just is what we're all in. reality. not god.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

so you think we are all in god, which is reality.

so do you even believe in a god? or are you just saying the big thing is reality, the universe, and it all.

do you perceive any consciousness in it at all

if it is not a being, it is not a god. it just is what we're all in. reality. not god.



What the universe is within, I explain in another post through dictionary definitions various features of it, would you like me to copy paste that here?

not really, i think i get you

it's just that you think that everything is a part of this "god," that this thing, reality must be called god because it is the ultimate, the biggest, the most extreme.

but why can't it just be without being god

it can be there, functioning, all-encompassing, without attributing a name to it, something to look up to, a reason to make it seem even greater and more mysterious

for some reason since a dog, an apple, mercury, dirt, us, and so on, are all inside reality, reality must be god?

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

not really, i think i get you

it's just that you think that everything is a part of this "god," that this thing, reality must be called god because it is the ultimate, the biggest, the most extreme.

but why can't it just be without being god

it can be there, functioning, all-encompassing, without attributing a name to it, something to look up to, a reason to make it seem even greater and more mysterious

for some reason since a dog, an apple, mercury, dirt, us, and so on, are all inside reality, reality must be god?

Its the only thing that ever was God, even in the earliest religions.

God is you.

Only infinitely expanded in every direction.

You are everything, everywhere, at every time.

quote:Originally posted by ate:

God is you.

Only infinitely expanded in every direction.

You are everything, everywhere, at every time.

Is a part the whole? It is all one, but I don't think any being or thing within Reality is the whole of Reality or capable of representing the whole save the whole.

It's possible.

Not in three dimensional terms.

Luckily this isnt' a three dimensional universe, we just believe it to be so.

Hologram. Reflective consciousness, fractal geometrics.

Edit: It's all one connection. No parts.

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quote:Originally posted by Q777:

Mormons believe that God live on a planet called Kolob.

Thanks, I've just found a new religion.

quote:Originally posted by ate:



It's all one connection. No parts.



You're totally right about that, but I like to clearify it in terms of parts within the Whole so that one doesn't confuse a rock or a single grain of sand with the mass of all reality which encompasses that single grain of sand, but that single grain of sand does not encompass the whole, it is only a part within the infinite as is everything else, but essentially it is all one, yes. One Whole.