This is just my opinion:

God puts us on earth not for fun, or for his own glory, he puts us here to weed out the ones that are not fit for heaven. Its a filter to get rid of the people that don't deserve to live forever in happiness. The reason so many prayers go unanswered is because he wants it to be hard for us. If he wanted it to be easy, he would have just put us in heaven in the first place. Obstacles in life are put there on purpose by Satan to make things even harder for us. The lack of physical proof of the existence of god is just another part of the filtering process. The few people who stay optimistic and never doubt the existence of god make it to heaven.

Why doesn't he just make souls in their respective heaven/hell instead of going through this whole life on earth charade? he already knows an eternity in advance who he will burn in hell and who he will send to heaven, so why not just cut the crap and get straight to the point?

And you base this on what exactly?

quote:And you base this on what exactly?

Nothing at all. Its just how I see things.

quote:Why doesn't he just make souls in their respective heaven/hell instead of going through this whole life on earth charade? he already knows an eternity in advance who he will burn in hell and who he will send to heaven, so why not just cut the crap and get straight to the point?

I think that he wants us to know something different from just heaven. If we went right to heaven from birth, we would take it for granted.

Heaven is for eternity, so after awhile we'd just take it for granted anyway.

quote:Heaven is for eternity, so after awhile we'd just take it for granted anyway.

Yeah, I guess after a while we would just take it for granted, but we would still have something to compare it to. But, you know, I am still confused about most of this stuff too. I just tried to come up with an explanation for life and this is as far as I have gotten so far.

quote:Originally posted by ParkedCar:

This is just my opinion:

God puts us on earth not for fun, or for his own glory, he puts us here to weed out the ones that are not fit for heaven. Its a filter to get rid of the people that don't deserve to live forever in happiness. The reason so many prayers go unanswered is because he wants it to be hard for us. If he wanted it to be easy, he would have just put us in heaven in the first place. Obstacles in life are put there on purpose by Satan to make things even harder for us. The lack of physical proof of the existence of god is just another part of the filtering process. The few people who stay optimistic and never doubt the existence of god make it to heaven.

Weed out the ones not fit for heaven when in the first place they were created?

I believe life is for us to witness, to learn, to benefit from, and so that we can't deny. A price of freedom.

Why does Satan put Obstacles, I believe we put the obstacles infront of ourselves.

No Physical Proof of the Existance of God? What do you expect God to be? Some being in the sky in the image of a man? There can't be more physical proof than this, what do you want to see? You want to see a man come down from the sky, you would believe in that, that is nothing, the most massive and supreme is surrounding you, can you see it?

quote:Originally posted by ParkedCar:

The few people who stay optimistic and never doubt the existence of god make it to heaven.

Yeah.

Why does god reward blind, unquestioning faith?

Jx

Is there such thing as anything beyond heaven and hell? Doesn't anyone ever think there could be more?

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Is there such thing as anything beyond heaven and hell? Doesn't anyone ever think there could be more?

Mormons believe you can become a god.

quote:Originally posted by ParkedCar:

This is just my opinion:

God puts us on earth not for fun, or for his own glory, he puts us here to weed out the ones that are not fit for heaven. Its a filter to get rid of the people that don't deserve to live forever in happiness. The reason so many prayers go unanswered is because he wants it to be hard for us. If he wanted it to be easy, he would have just put us in heaven in the first place. Obstacles in life are put there on purpose by Satan to make things even harder for us. The lack of physical proof of the existence of god is just another part of the filtering process. The few people who stay optimistic and never doubt the existence of god make it to heaven.

You imply that there is an End?

And that some, are more worthy?

Did God not also speak for the Oppressed, The tired, the abused, Where is god then? The homes of the elliete, or the shackles of those in bondage?



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quote:Weed out the ones not fit for heaven when in the first place they were created?

When I talk about "weeding out the ones that are not worthy", I think that people that reject god and continue to sin are not worthy. I do not believe that people are born more or less worthy. I guess I should have chosen some better words.

quote:No Physical Proof of the Existance of God? What do you expect God to be? Some being in the sky in the image of a man? There can't be more physical proof than this, what do you want to see? You want to see a man come down from the sky, you would believe in that, that is nothing, the most massive and supreme is surrounding you, can you see it?

Maybe I should have said tangible. Many christians, myself included, believe we see god everyday in the world around us. But there are some people that demand something you can see and touch. Thats what I meant when I said there was no physical proof.

quote:Did God not also speak for the Oppressed, The tired, the abused, Where is god then? The homes of the elliete, or the shackles of those in bondage?

I'm not sure. Like I said before, I haven't been able to explain everything. This whole thing I wrote was just a way I thought it could all work. There are no facts to back up anything.

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

Yeah.

Why does god reward blind, unquestioning faith?

Jx

Like I have said before, this is the ultimatum, the most fundamental problem with religion.

It makes no sense for God's system of justice to be based on faith.

I have spoken to many christians, debated this out, and I have never gotten a single answer.

They all seem to take for granted that their faith makes them more worthy of being saved somehow, yet can never justify why.

I have found a single answer and it is the only one that makes sense.

Why would a religion put value on believing in itself over everything else?

Simple: Because it isn't true.

Because it is ultimately just a means to gain power.

Because it is ultimately just a system of control.

Because it is made up, like every other religion since the beginning of time, and for the exact same reasons.

If any christians can come up with a better answer, I would love to hear it.

Exactumundo. That's all it's about.

You think that any religion that was true would not hold such an overwhelming priority on emphasizing it. It's as the saying goes, "The dog that barks the loudest is usually the weakest one". People that are vehemantly anti-homosexual are usually hiding their own tendencies.

It's all about insecurity. They are so insecure in theirselves that they feel they have to compensate for the deficiency. In religion, this is done by drilling dogma in as "truth", killing critical thinking processes, independent reasoning, and the ability to question.

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Is there such thing as anything beyond heaven and hell? Doesn't anyone ever think there could be more?



Study the Abyss, in Thelema.

My little brother (10) started blabbing about how God saves everyone who believes and has faith in him. I asked him what about all those people who died in the mudslide recently, who didnt have a chance?

He shrugged and said all matter of factly "They didn't believe in God enough"

He's a cute kid, but I really felt like punching him in the mouth that day... I wish he was older and someone trying to shove a mini bible up my ass at a bus stop downtown. Because then it would have been a justified beating. "Why'd you get your ass beat OH I GUESS YOU DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH FAITH HUH? YEAH. YEAH I THINK SO YOU SATAN LOVER."

Gotta give him time to get all that bullshit out of his system... He'll learn.

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Why would god create something not fit for heavn in the first place?

quote:Originally posted by ParkedCar:

This is just my opinion:

God puts us on earth not for fun, or for his own glory, he puts us here to weed out the ones that are not fit for heaven. Its a filter to get rid of the people that don't deserve to live forever in happiness. The reason so many prayers go unanswered is because he wants it to be hard for us. If he wanted it to be easy, he would have just put us in heaven in the first place. Obstacles in life are put there on purpose by Satan to make things even harder for us. The lack of physical proof of the existence of god is just another part of the filtering process. The few people who stay optimistic and never doubt the existence of god make it to heaven.

Perhaps its not so much a filter for God as it is for us? Perhaps it is not for God to see but for us to see what we do. To be witnesses unto ourselves and against ourselves. The Filter idea appears in some religions.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

You want to see a man come down from the sky, you would believe in that, that is nothing, the most massive and supreme is surrounding you, can you see it?



The point of the story about Thomas?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Perhaps its not so much a filter for God as it is for us? Perhaps it is not for God to see but for us to see what we do. To be witnesses unto ourselves and against ourselves. The Filter idea appears in some religions.





Like chaffs of wheat left on the threshing room floor? Only the grain is good for nourishment, but there are other uses for what is not.

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

Yeah.

Why does god reward blind, unquestioning faith?

Jx



I don't believe in 'blind, unquestioning faith'. If one is not strong enough to question, then one does not have faith at all.

I think it's good to cast things into the wind, then to see where the pieces fall.

quote:Originally posted by ParkedCar:

Nothing at all. Its just how I see things.

religion is bassed on nothing at al.

huh?