hey

my name is eloquence, my really freakin' smart little 16 yr old brother PsychoDelicate told me to check this site out, and he said if wanted to argue my religion with some really smart people, here is the place to do it. so anyways this looks like some really sick intellectual humour so i'll check it out....

I'm a gnostic, NOT AGNOSTIC. i don't believe in the devil, or spells, or curses, or exorcisms, and all that bullshyt. i believe in a male and female principle of God, and i believe they have a great sense of humour, and are not retarded judgementalists. like for example when i'm praying, if my boob if freakin' itchy, then i'm going to pray and scratch my freakin' boob, and i don't believe God(s) will condemn me for touching the unholy place...LOL. i believe in soul's perfection and that living many lives helps you reach that perfection, and that karma is merely a balancing of experiences, like say i was ugly in my last life to see what i'd learn from it, then i can be beautiful in this life to learn from it...YEAH YEAH that might have been a weird example, I'M AN INDIAN, if some of you folks are americans, I'm the first nations of this country, like the bows and arrows type of indian, i'm a rapper, and i love learning theology. i hate what all them euro's did to my people, but i ain't that resentful. i'll just get 'em back in my own way. ha! So i dunno what else to say. so see ya!

I feel obligated to define our terms in the most general sense possible.

Agnostic: We cannot know anything about the supernatural.

Gnostic: We can know something about the supernatural.

For starters, how did you ascertain your knowledge about the supernatural?

FIRST OFF SORRY I WRITE IN CAPS, I'M NOT YELLING, I JUST HAVE A HABIT.

WELL, I GOT TO SAY THIS RIGHT OFF THE BAT...

I'M NOT SAYING THAT MY RELIGION IS RIGHT AND BETTER OR WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSES, I OPENLY AGREE TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT I COULD BE ALL WRONG IN THE END, AND THAT WHEN I DIE I JUST TURN TO DUST AND THAT'S IT. BUT I CHOSE MY BELIEF BECAUSE IT HELPS ME TO BE A BETTER PERSON.

HMM.... MY KNOWLEDGE GROWS EVERYDAY, AND IN WAYS GOD SPEAKS TO ME EVERYDAY...MAYBE NOT THROUGH LITERAL SPEAKING, BUT THROUGH THEIR OWN FORM. HOW DO I SAY THESE THINGS WITHOUT SOUNDING SCHITZO. LOL! LIKE SAY YESTERDAY I WAS SIMPLY THINKING TO MYSELF "I HATE WHEN PEOPLE COME AND SIT BESIDE ME ON THE BUS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER SEAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, WHERE NEITHER OF US HAVE TO SIT BESIDE SOMEONE....AND THEN ALL DAY YESTERDAY, PEOPLE KEPT FUCKING SITTING BESIDE ME WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. I WAS LIKE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME.... I ALSO READ QUITE A BIT OF BOOKS ON IT, AND DO SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT INVOLVE COMMUNICATION WITH GOD. I LIKE TO MEDITATE TO. PRAYING IS TALKING TO GOD. MEDITATING IS LISTENING, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. MY DAD IS AGNOSTIC AND IT MAKES HIM HAPPY, SO IF I SOUNDED LIKE BEING AGNOSTIC WAS A BAD THING... NO I DON'T THINK IT IS. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY RELIGION IS BAD, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE RETARDED IDEALS OF HARMING LIVING THINGS. I LIVE BY THE MOTTO, "HARM NO ONE (INCLUDING YOURSELF) AND DO WHAT YOU WILL" SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. K SEE YA

Oh my fucking god. Go away. Don't come back until you learn how to type a coherent sentence WITHOUT CAPITALIZING EVERY FUCKING WORD AND...PUTTING...ELLIPSES...IN EVERY FUCKING SENTENCE.

Fuck. http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

[This message has been edited by Elephantitis Man (edited 07-03-2006).]

CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!!

I'LL TAKE YOU DOWN!!! I MEAN IT! I'LL TAKE YOU DOWN! UNTIL YOU'RE MY FUCKING PROFESSOR, THAN OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH! DON'T MAKE ME DO IT DESPITE YOU! but anyways yeah it's a habit, too small or TOO BIG...i chose to respond fast, without checking my work. my little brother says the same thing. my peeve is bad spelling. but seriously CALM THE FUCK DOWN BITCH!

It fucking sucks to see someone who writes in all caps. It's not that we have to calm down, it's that you need to not write in all caps. Seriously. Writing without capitalizing is way better than not having any lowercase (bUT sHiT LiKE ThIs SuCKs tO lOoK aT ToO [wow, after typing that, the mixed one seems pretty cool. hmm])

Anyway, your YOUNGER brother is 16? Damn, how old are You?

And you're a rapper? Heh.

Well, okay I can appreciate a decent criticism. Sorry, but I am not making any promises that I'm going to be perfect at this all the time. I just got off the phone with my little brother, and he said "You must have proper Grammar, or be prepared for a beat down." I am 21 years old, yes I am a rapper. I mostly do battle and inspiration. I know most of you intellectuals have your own negative opinions on it; because, most of the beats are not constructed from real instruments. Anyways, yeah I actually have talent, unlike some people. I'll release my site information on a later date, if someone is interested.

Natashia is my real name. Yes it is spelled with an I,A at the end.

Hi Natashia http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Could you ask your brother to make a brief appearance in this thread so we can ream him out for introducing you to MGCBTSOOYG?

k. thanks. Enjoy your stay.

You don't even need proper grammar, well not 100 percent, it's just we don't want to hurt our heads by reading your posts.

You just seemed hella immature.

I have nothing against rap, as long as the lyrics are sound. I do slam poetry, so have to come up with shit all the time that gets criticized (and actually judged by at least three people).



So ready to defend your beliefs?

Test me please,

I want to see my own strength.

Natashia

It's not a test, rather a focussed (?attack?).

Uh I guess you should start off by explaining the basics of your own personal beliefs. If you got the time, go into as much detail as ya can.

Explain yours to me as well.

Are we not going to like each other after this session?

I'll be back in about 15 minutes, I just have to file a couple things.

Uh at the moment I have some mixed beliefs.

I'm an atheist. But I believe in the metaphysical. The astral, the psychic, the magickal. I have an understanding of it in relation to the physical and spiritual realms. There might be an afterlife, too.

The soul is a wierd subject for me, and my belief there kinda goes in a few directions.

Uh I don't believe in karma, a deity, or various mythological beasts. Though sometimes the latter two may be called out to in times of need, with results.

I belief through sheer will, the manifestation of some of your desires and expectations can be acheived.

I dunno what else to say at the moment. Feel free to ask questions to clarify.

N.

I'm a huge fan of boobs, and in your essay it mentioned your boob.

I'd like to add you and the twins to my MSN Messenger list, or AIM.

Whats your addy?

Mine is abrahimesker@hotmail.com and abrahimesker

I'll also tell you about my God, I think you will become a fan of my God after hearing about it.

It will be a circle of fans, I'll be a fan of your boobs, you'll be a fan of me and my God.

See ya soon!

By the way, I think CAPS LOCKS ARE A GREAT WAY OF EXPRESSING ONESELF AND IS VERY KIND TO THOSE WHO HAVE TROUBLE SEEING SO IT IS APPRECIATED!

No offense

I am just looking in the dictionary right now, and basically an atheist is someone that doesn't believe in anything in regards to spirituality. That's fine. Yet, you say that you believe in the metaphysical.

So who/what do you think created some of creations most beautiful sights. For example, the mountains or the ocean. What would be your scientific explanation, and why in the first place would it be created, and for what? Do you believe in evolution, or who were the first human beings, and why are we here?

See nobody really knows the real answers, most people have theory's, but theory's are scientific guesses. See certain things that don't have real true answers makes me believe in a God.

I have to admit I really enjoy reading a lot of what Sylvia Browne discusses in her books. May sound crazy to some; because apparently to Christians and Catholics, psychics are doing "The Devil's work" But then again they had no problem accepting that Jesus was a prophet/Psychic. He could speak to God, and all that jazz. But they refuse to believe that anyone else can do that. Or if they do, they are evil. It doesn't make sense. (Now I know there is just some pure phony's like Ms.Cleo) You see I believe in Jesus, but I don't worship him. I believe that he was a great person, who tried to bring peace to the world, but people over the years misinterpreted everything he was trying to relay.

The reason I don't believe in The Devil is because I believe he was created to control the masses, for power, greed, money, and rule. And for those religious people back then that actually had good intentions, created him to scare people into doing the right thing, and obide by the laws. As a result of that, we got some really insane paranoid people that used God and The devil to control everything. For example, giving the church and priests and all of them money to save their soul. If you don't give them this so called "charity" you were condemned.

Also, I do believe in a Mother God, because if God is so perfect, He/She cannot be just one set gender. He/She would need to understand both Male and Female minds,hearts,and souls. I believe that God the father is the intellectual, and God the Mother is emotion. To me it makes sense. We perfect our souls for God and ourselves, because Father God is pure intellect, and any knowledge we gain that is emotional, we can give it to him because he knows only intellect.

Mother God is the mother that intervenes, and activates and answers our prayers.

I believe in past lives and karma to gain more perfection and knowledge.

Karma like I said is merely a balance of experience. When you experience you gain knowledge, and not everyone, not even yourself will have gained the same knowledge from that experience; that is why many of us go through the same experience at times.

Say I were ugly and poor in my last life, what did it teach me. It taught me to appreciate the beauty of the inside, and being poor, taught me to work hard, and appreciate the blessings that are free. The best things in life are free, like love, health, and peace. Of course money does make it easier to cope with and takes away the stress of financial problems. Yet most rich people are never home with their kids, because they are out making money, and so the kids are left at home wishing for that loyalty from their parentsl; some don't end up recieving it and therefore end up having absolutely no discipline, or they end up hating their parents. Okay that of course may not always be the case. But that experience teaches us what we need to do the next time this kind of problem occurs, and how to handle in a positive way. TO PERFECT IT.

I do believe there is dark spirits out there, but I don't believe there a leader. (The Devil) 'Cause I mean if you're evil why the hell would you let anyone control you, unless you gained something from it. I believe that the reason negativity resides in this world, is for us to learn from, and to fight it. Like them fucking peds out there.

Each of us may gain a different experience, and gain different knowledge when it comes to them perverts.

My mother, she grew up in an extremely sexually,physically,emotionally abusive home, and she learned how not to be. Of course things should not always have to go to that extent. But she learned to defend herself, fight for herself and her sibilings, and she learned how much it hurts if you favor your kids, and so she loves us all equally. Sometimes she is way too protective, but she is learning to have faith in people, even after all of that bullshit. She was afraid of men, but since my dad came along, she came along way with trust. See with sick horrible things like that, we learn of the possibilities that could happen, and that we need to teach our kids how to protect themselves, and we learn how to protect our children. I love my mom so much and by her experiences she taught me, to be more understanding of why people are the way they are. My mom used to do a lot of stupid things because she was still learning to love better. I also learned patience.

Other things, I believe in is intuition, I believe in a spirit guide that communicates and brings out this intuition. I believe in destiny and that before we are born we construct a blueprint to our lives very carefully, and we put the people/experiences in our lives for a reason (to learn from). I believe I put my boyfriend in my life, to learn that tolerance, and of course perseverance, and a whole lot of other things. I came from a poor family, who became rich, then poor again. But it taught me to work hard for what I have. My parents made me work since I was 15. I basically bought everything I owned, except for groceries. They taught me work ethic. When I was poor I was picked on a lot because of what I wore. But as i grew older got prettier and dressed better, I learned to be nice to kids in that situation and that some of them are the best people, because they are humble. (ahhh!!)I am trying to think about the specifics. Ask me something. I am starting to get dizzy from this typing. What did you learn from your life experiece?

Are you serious Abrahim?

'cause I have no time for horny weirdo's. Just my man. lol. But you can tell me about your belief.

quote:Originally posted by Eloquence:

Are you serious Abrahim?

'cause I have no time for horny weirdo's. Just my man. lol. But you can tell me about your belief.



I'd like to tell you on MSN or AIM, whichever you have please thankz.

I liked your post about God. And I am interested in hearing more. However I am just sticking with this for now. When I get to know people better than I'll release the info I want.

An atheist doesn't have to give up beliefs in the spiritual, only a deity. You say you got that from a dictionary? Anyway, I did say that I had "mixed" beliefs. My beliefs in the metaphysical come from some very physical evidence, some personal events, and basically some deep thought.

Who created those beautiful things? Well, to begin with, why are they beautiful? Why do you feel they need a creator? Couldn't they have been formed by nobody in particular, and people were drawn to them because of their vastness and variety. Beauty is a strange thing, and humans are fickle and spurious about what they claim to be pleasing to the eye.

And why does there have to be a reason for their creation? I could say they're actually markers so aliens know our planet from others. Or they're there for energy purposes. Or they're the result of someone's powerful whim. But I wouldn't believe any of these things. They're just there.

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"See certain things that don't have real true answers makes me believe in a God. "

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Hmmm, I don't think that's wise. These things do have answers, it's just that you do not know these answers. To claim that since you don't know something, a god must be involved is.. eh.

As for your dual-gendered god, I see what you're saying there, that a male/female god would be sorta biased, not able to know the other side. But I disagree with the fact that you label certain aspects of God as either male or female. I believe that the correct belief would be that God is in fact unisex, neither male nor female, and that the various aspects of personality and their gender-connotations are a result of what people do and think, as well as some chemical stuff.

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"'Cause I mean if you're evil why the hell would you let anyone control you, unless you gained something from it."

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Heh, I like this statement. Makes sense.



I belive in intuition as well, but as a natural part of humanity.

I do not believe we choose who to put in our lives, because not everybody gets what they want, not everybody would be mathmatically ABLE to get who they want, and in the end, not everybody has been made a better person, or even learned any great truths, by going through life. Sometimes it's just unfair. Part of a chaotic universe.

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"What did you learn from your life experiece?"

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Well, to be honest, I'm still learning.

-Partly because I feel you can never stop learning.

-And partly because I'm currently in a situation that hopefully I'll get alot out of spiritually when I'm through. But I think it won't be over for years, or even decades. And I highly doubt I'll live that long (or maybe we'll all be gone by then).

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la la la lasagna

Merlin, how do you like my God? It's similar to the God Merlin believed in, in the film EXCALIBUR lol

I dunno really.

I have some issues with it.

To be honest

I do agree with you about labelling certain aspects on God. It's true. I guess I need to find away of explaining it better. Deep down inside, I believe that these two female and entities need to be put together for the ultimate perfection. Yes I do believe the Father God does have emotion too, but we basically help him experience it better. I believe the Father/Mother are ultimate love.

Of course I believe in free will. I don't believe in soul mates either. That's not what I meant, when I said putting people in your life for a reason. Some people I think put too much time into looking for this soulmate. Life would be boring if it was perfect all the time. And most relationships are not perfect, and what the hell would you learn if everything was perfect.

Also

I can see where you are coming from with not knowing the answers yet. And oh and trust me what I meant about constructing a blueprint, I also meant putting in the obstacles as well. That's what I meant about constructing them carefully. We would never learn anything if life was perfect.

I keep answering to your comments one by one. Of course we don't always get what we want. We learn from not getting what we want all the time.

For people that don't learn, I believe they will keep bumping into that same obstacle until they learn. Kind of like running away from your problems, they always come back til you deal with them. And I do believe there is dark people in human form. For example, perverts, cereal killers, Hitler.LOL. But these people that never learn and that are bad, are here to be example of what not to be. We still learn from them

What I mean by free will is:

Say you wrote in your blueprint, I am going to travel from Canada to U.S.A, I have many ways to get there, and which forms of travel, and even the people I meet. Instead of inputting the specifics, we can fill in the gaps in life as we go along AND learn. I dunno does that make sense? But certain things are specific.

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You're not a Gnostic by any means. You neither possess knowledge, nor do you understand what Gnosticism entails.

quote:Originally posted by Iam:

You're not a Gnostic by any means. You neither possess knowledge, nor do you understand what Gnosticism entails.

Wikipedia can help with that!

Really, why do you say that?

Enlighten me.

quote:Originally posted by Iam:

You're not a Gnostic by any means. You neither possess knowledge, nor do you understand what Gnosticism entails.

You are a gnostic eh?

You claim to have personal knowledge of the metaphysical, specifically God.

You haven't even touched on how you have this knowledge so i'll leave it at that until you do.

quote:i believe in soul's perfection

The soul?? 'a self aware ethereal substance particular to a unique living being.' The soul does not exist; there is not one scrap of credible evidence pointing towards the existence of a human or any other animal having a 'soul' linked to it in anyway. Not to mention that there is no need for a 'soul' to exist - what is wrong with the brain's electrochemical reactions being responsible for thought and action??

quote:and that living many lives helps you reach that perfection

What would be the point of living many lives if you have no recolletion of experiances that occured in your previous lives?? Wouldn't you be destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over and so you would never reach perfection.

quote:like say i was ugly in my last life to see what i'd learn from it, then i can be beautiful in this life to learn from it...

you can't learn from something that you have no recollection of.

quote:i'm a rapper

Great.

quote:BUT I CHOSE MY BELIEF BECAUSE IT HELPS ME TO BE A BETTER PERSON.

Personally i would rather be a 'bad' person and maintain intellectual honesty than be a 'good' person who consciously abandons the search for the truth to settle for a mythological explaination of our existence. Considering that 'good' and 'bad' are completely subjective terms and non-existent in the objective world.

quote:AND THEN ALL DAY YESTERDAY, PEOPLE KEPT FUCKING SITTING BESIDE ME WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. I WAS LIKE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME....

Isn't it possible...nay, more likely that this is just chance and not a supreme being trying to communicate some cryptic message to you?? If this being is so supreme why use a cryptic message at all?? Why not send you an Email??

quote:I LIKE TO MEDITATE TO. PRAYING IS TALKING TO GOD. MEDITATING IS LISTENING,

I'm going to quote something to reply to this:

"Human beings normally use a very small percentage of their brain power. However, if you put them in emotionally charged situations - like physical trauma, extreme joy or fear, deep meditation - all of a sudden their neurons start firing like crazy, resulting in massively enhanced mental clarity." "So what? Just because you think clearly doesn't mean you talk to God." "And yet remarkable solutions to seemingly impossible problems often occur in these moments of clarity. It's what gurus call higher consciousness. Biologists call it altered states. Psychologists call it super-sentience. And Christians call it answered prayer."

quote:I DON'T BELIEVE ANY RELIGION IS BAD, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE RETARDED IDEALS OF HARMING LIVING THINGS.

How many animals are sacrificed in Genisis?

quote:For example, the mountains or the ocean. What would be your scientific explanation

"A mountain is usually produced by the movement of lithospheric plates, either orogenic movement or epeirogenic movement. The compressional forces, isostatic uplift and intrusion of igneous matter forces surface rock upwards, creating a landform higher than the surrounding features. The height of the feature makes it either a hill or, if higher and steeper, a mountain."

"Geologically, an ocean is an area of oceanic crust covered by water. Oceanic crust is the thin layer of solidified volcanic basalt that covers the Earth's mantle where there are no continents."

quote:and why in the first place would it be created, and for what?

Asking 'why' a mountain was created assumes that there is a conscious reasoning behind it , assuming that 'God' created the mountains and then using the mountains as proof of 'God ' is circular logic.

quote:and why are we here?

Once again - what if there is no reasoning behind our existence and it is just natural chance, akin to an ant.

quote:See nobody really knows the real answers, most people have theory's, but theory's are scientific guesses.

No. We know how a mountain is formed - we can recreate the sufficient causes to recreate the neccessary effect. Over and over we can do this and gain reliable, predictable results. Is that not enough???

quote:See certain things that don't have real true answers makes me believe in a God.

Yes, there are things that we can not at the moment answer. However, automatically assuming that the answer to these questions is 'God' is disgusting logic, the abandonment of all reason and want for the truth. The God of the gaps logical fallacy.

quote:You see I believe in Jesus, but I don't worship him. I believe that he was a great person, who tried to bring peace to the world, but people over the years misinterpreted everything he was trying to relay.

Same.

You seem to have a good grasp on the corruption of the church.

quote:I believe in past lives and karma to gain more perfection and knowledge.

You can not gain knowledge from a past life that you can not remember.

quote:Say I were ugly and poor in my last life, what did it teach me. It taught me to appreciate the beauty of the inside, and being poor, taught me to work hard, and appreciate the blessings that are free.

All a theoretical situation - what have you actually learnt from one of your 'past lives'?? If you can have no recollection you can have no knowledge gained from that experiance.

It seems to me like you have accepted this ideal to help you deal with your own current life - what does it matter how bad your life is now when it is just a chance to learn and that in future lives things will be better.

Nicely fucking done,

now that is the argument I am looking for.

Well hmmm. Like I have said before I do not deny the possibility that I could be all wrong in the end. I do believe in natural coincidences. How would you explain a child that is smarter, than another when they are born, and taught everything in the same form. Why do some of us know things without having to experience them. Can you understand where I am getting at. Do you believe in the possibility. What would you do, if you seen a ghost tomorrow. Would you believe. I'll get back to you in a bit.

Oh yeah and the whole genesis thing, What hell. Do you believe that happend? Do you believe in the bible? Like fuck, I seriously think the only decent parts of the bible are the commandments, (only in circumstance of course) What I mean "Thou shall not steal" Damn rights I'm going to steal food if myself or my loved ones are hungry. I believe when put in positive perspective, that the bible is common sense on how to live a moral life. But even that I'm still not too sure about.

quote:Nicely fucking done,

http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Like I have said before I do not deny the possibility that I could be all wrong in the end.

Of course not - atleast you admit that i guess... unlike some people whose convictions are so strong even when they can't argue their beliefs. The blind faith kind of thing.

quote:How would you explain a child that is smarter, than another when they are born, and taught everything in the same form.

Because, unilke some people will try to tell you, we are not all equals - another lie from the church. We are not all even. Some of us are naturally more adept at learning and remembering certain things whilst others among us are not. Equality among humans is one of the bigger misconceptions today.

quote:Why do some of us know things without having to experience them.

Could i have an example?? I know that you are trying to back up your claim of past lives and that we can learn from them - but i can not think of any examples ... I certainly fell off my bike the first time i rode it, i stalled the car about 20 times before i moved. Does this mean that i didn't ride a bike or drive a car in any of my past lives??

quote:Do you believe in the possibility.

The possibility of a soul?? And of that soul being passed from body to body as one dies and another is born - each time becoming more perfect.

No.

quote:What would you do, if you seen a ghost tomorrow. Would you believe.

It would depend on the circumstances (impaired by drugs/alcohol/tiredness/dehydration etc...) however, i would believe what i saw and work out a logical conclusion. I would not assume that what i saw was a ghost - rather i would work with the evidence that i observed to work out what it was.

Let me ask you - If you have never seen a ghost or experianced anything that was beyond doubt a supernatural occurance, what reason would you have for believing?

What would be your explanation to the completely weird things a small child would say. For example, this 3 year old child who refuses to wear slippers because as he says "I wore slippers for 65 years, I am never doing it again." Would you call this kid crazy. Of course yes, I myself would do a thorough investigation, and see if he is or not, and if everything came back, and it did that he was perfectly normal. I would definately start to question. What else, what about people born with natural born fears, like hieghts, knives, or even weirder things? There is this one guy, he is completely freaked out of water, and he's never been in it before (other than bathing), he was under past life regression and hypnosis, and find that his fear derived from his death in past life. (drowning).

All you people are wicked smart. That's awesome. Gnostics are seekers of spiritual truth. I am curious as to know where you guys get your definition of Gnostic. Is it the dictionary terms? 'Cause I did the research and most of them are all coming from dictionaries.Anyways I read a lot of books on Gnosis. I really enjoy the Dead Sea Scrolls. Oh yeah and my brother's name is Tatari Gami, so you can ream him out there. and Francois (my brother) if you're reading, quit reading and say something. He's too afraid to lose a battle on his beliefs, so he remains nuetral.

The 3 year old could just be being a stupid kid who needs to get hit. Nothing outta the ordinary there, except for the people around him who encourage that kind of behavior (sometimes)

People are fearful of things. No big surprise. Sharp stuff looks like it'll hurt. If you're high, you think *splat* or get uncomfortable.

And if you're scared of water, you got issues, and even under hypnosis, your subconscious can trick you into thinkin' of a different reason for your irrational fear (ie create a "past life").

Yeah I kind of expected an answer like that. But what about even more strange fears, not the basic ones? But some that are way out there, and provide so much detail. Yeah I do believe people fake shit like that too. This one time, for sheer entertainment I pretended to be hypnotized, and I had the whole crowd going it was funny, and they were all like how did it feel. I don't know if I believe in hypnosis. I think only the weak minded would possibly get it.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

The 3 year old could just be being a stupid kid who needs to get hit. Nothing outta the ordinary there, except for the people around him who encourage that kind of behavior (sometimes)

People are fearful of things. No big surprise. Sharp stuff looks like it'll hurt. If you're high, you think *splat* or get uncomfortable.

And if you're scared of water, you got issues, and even under hypnosis, your subconscious can trick you into thinkin' of a different reason for your irrational fear (ie create a "past life").

Are you open to trying to believe; or testing out some activities, even if you don't believe, just for entertainment?

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"Are you open to trying to believe; or testing out some activities, even if you don't believe, just for entertainment?"

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It depends. Sometimes faith is necessary to accomplish a certain task. But yeah, I'll do almost anything once.

As for outlandish fears, that's because...they're...crazy. Someone afraid of pickles or a balloon. Uh huh, let's delve into past lives to find a reason.

quote:What would be your explanation to the completely weird things a small child would say. For example, this 3 year old child who refuses to wear slippers because as he says "I wore slippers for 65 years, I am never doing it again."

If i had a list of half of the things that i said when i was a child. Also - this would indicate that the child has specific recollection from his/her past life... this can not happen and therefore is probably just the child exagerating the situation.

quote:what about people born with natural born fears, like hieghts, knives, or even weirder things?

Many of these supposed 'phobias' are not recognized as actual medical conditions and therefore it is and can be attributed to early traumatic events. Others do not have sch clear explainations for their existence - but that in no way supports your idea that they come from past lives which you have given only circumstantial evidence.

quote:There is this one guy, he is completely freaked out of water

Probably has rabies http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

quote:he was under past life regression and hypnosis, and find that his fear derived from his death in past life.

What is past life regression and what is your source for this information??

quote:I am curious as to know where you guys get your definition of Gnostic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic Is a good place to start.

quote:But what about even more strange fears, not the basic ones?

Simply because we do not fully understand where some fears originate from does not lend any strength to your claim that they originate from experiances in a past life.

quote:Are you open to trying to believe; or testing out some activities, even if you don't believe, just for entertainment?

Of course.