I have been wondering about this for a while and finally decided to make an account to post this on this forum. The question i was wondering is that since God has a plan for everything and everyone how is abortion bad?

Think about it this way since God knows everything thats going to happen in the present and in the future wouldnt he know when someone was going to have one? Everything you do god has already planned for so wouldnt you only be going along with his plan?

I guess I could see it as bad because you are taking the life away from someone, but in that case wouldn't you actually be doing them a favor by sending them to heaven directly.

What do you all think? Also please dont flame me if you dont understand I tried to write it out as clear as i could.

quote:Originally posted by Masternate:

I have been wondering about this for a while and finally decided to make an account to post this on this forum. The question i was wondering is that since God has a plan for everything and everyone how is abortion bad?

Think about it this way since God knows everything thats going to happen in the present and in the future wouldnt he know when someone was going to have one? Everything you do god has already planned for so wouldnt you only be going along with his plan?

I guess I could see it as bad because you are taking the life away from someone, but in that case wouldn't you actually be doing them a favor by sending them to heaven directly.

What do you all think? Also please dont flame me if you dont understand I tried to write it out as clear as i could.

Yes, they tell you God has a specific plan for each of you and plans out many details of your life. Most christians have heard this and want to believe it and feel special.

The problem is when you get to Hitler. Did God plan out every moment of his life? If your life is 'planned' by God, how much free will do you really have?

God's plan is a very fucked up and near self-contradictory concept. If you have to use it to figure out right from wrong, we're in bad shape fellas.

Christians refuse to think that God is not an ol' good granpa with beard, who loves and cares about his people.

I believe if God wanted to prevent abortions, he would have ltered women's hardware and blocked the abortion on/off switch, or altered it in such way: if (abortion)die;

But seriously try to understand what God wants from you God, if He is your guide, and NEVER thinks what He likes/thinks for that is ignorant to assign human characteristics to the Creator, you lower Him doing this to your petty MacDonald's junkie level.

P.S. I am not a Christian, never was baptized, don'tyou dare to think I am.

I'm not against the abortion part as much as the type of people who are fuxing around and unprepared for any consequences, and why should they so fear their own child who will one day say "mommy, i HATE you".

All the possibilities that you can possibly do or think, and there are many, are provided by God. God does not make you murder people, all the personal responsibility for the choices you make are on you according to me.

but awhile ago you said god had a perfect plan

i am with u GOD knows the future knows everything i will give u a very simple example:

"u gave a child that u brought him up some money and u told him to buy anything except chocolate but in ur mind u knows that he will buy a chocolate because u brought up and knoing him well in the same time the child has all the choise to follow ur order or not follow it"

i hope u understand this example

The Lord makes us do nothing. He has a plan for us yes, but that does not mean that he makes people do things. We have the freedom of choice. God may know what is going to happen but if you do not ask then it will not change. God does not will people to be murdered. That is sin in the world. He can show you a way that contains comfort and peace, though there may be trials and persecution. Yet, He gives us the choice to reject him, He would desire no one to go to hell, yet people choose not too believe. God does have a plan for those who believe and he has one for those who do not as well, but he does not control us like puppets. He simply leads the way.

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

The Lord makes us do nothing. He has a plan for us yes, but that does not mean that he makes people do things. We have the freedom of choice. God may know what is going to happen but if you do not ask then it will not change. God does not will people to be murdered. That is sin in the world. He can show you a way that contains comfort and peace, though there may be trials and persecution. Yet, He gives us the choice to reject him, He would desire no one to go to hell, yet people choose not too believe. God does have a plan for those who believe and he has one for those who do not as well, but he does not control us like puppets. He simply leads the way.

i agree with that

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

The Lord makes us do nothing. He has a plan for us yes, but that does not mean that he makes people do things. We have the freedom of choice. God may know what is going to happen but if you do not ask then it will not change. God does not will people to be murdered. That is sin in the world. He can show you a way that contains comfort and peace, though there may be trials and persecution. Yet, He gives us the choice to reject him, He would desire no one to go to hell, yet people choose not too believe. God does have a plan for those who believe and he has one for those who do not as well, but he does not control us like puppets. He simply leads the way.

People make decisions based on everything that has happened to them in the past. If God controls the evironment around you, he controls you.

If you make decisions based on your past ... it seems to me that the past controls you.

Hmm.. after reading the latest cirque du freak books and hearing a story about a saint I have came up with this. God has made 2 paths for the mother to take for the child he can either become lets say the president for example but its the mothers choice to kill the baby. So there were 2 paths made in the babies life already

One could make the argument that yes god has a plan for us but, WE have free will over what to do with ourselves and that it is US that have to live with the decision. What does god care if 1000 out of the millions of babies he makes come back with him?

@Truth is All,

That's not true. If God's knows everything then he knows every possible choice you can choose and which one you are going to choose. If God is Omnipotent than you have no freewill. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways, no matter what your bible tells you.

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

The Lord makes us do nothing. He has a plan for us yes, but that does not mean that he makes people do things. We have the freedom of choice. God may know what is going to happen but if you do not ask then it will not change. God does not will people to be murdered. That is sin in the world. He can show you a way that contains comfort and peace, though there may be trials and persecution. Yet, He gives us the choice to reject him, He would desire no one to go to hell, yet people choose not too believe. God does have a plan for those who believe and he has one for those who do not as well, but he does not control us like puppets. He simply leads the way.

If god is omniscient he has known how the chips will fall since the moment of creation. The idea that he desires something that does not happen is foolish. If he desired it he could make it so without changing anything else.

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

If god is omniscient he has known how the chips will fall since the moment of creation. The idea that he desires something that does not happen is foolish. If he desired it he could make it so without changing anything else.

Damn right! That's why its not about God knowing or witnessing us, but about us witnessing and coming to know ourselves...I mean all the chips have fallen, fell, are falling, and will always fall, I mean all chips, the chips we don't know about either, all possible chips, since forever (there is no beginning and no end).