Does Islam validate the idea of demonic possesion?

oh fuck, this is going to be interesting.

well since islam, judaism, and christianity are basically the same thing, i'm going to say yes on this one.

in fact, i don't think there is any religion that doesn't believe in possesion. how else could primitive peoples explain the likes of birth defects, schizophrenia, and epilepsy?

The Qur'an does not believe in demonic posession or demons. Everyone has personal responsibility for what they do and no creature can posess another to do something.

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Demonic posession is VERY real in Islam.

http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html

http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html#Exorcism_Clip

The Qur'an never indicates anyone can be posessed by anything, but everything a person does is their own doing, that even on judgement day they can blame no one but themselves. Also that "Shaitan" has absolutely no power over people, but those who follow the suggestions of Shaitan have personal responsibility.

Furthermore in the Qur'an there is no such thing as posession by Djinn. Djinn are a being that is like "smokeless fire". In more ancient usage the Djinn were nature spirits which had the ability to posess people according to ancient Arab beliefs, These beliefs are not validated by the Qur'an which clearly states everyone has personal responsibility and can't blame others.

There is also no story in the Qur'an implicating Posession.

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They will all be marshalled before Allah together: then will the weak say to those who were arrogant, "For us, we but followed you; can ye then avail us to all against the wrath of Allah?" They will reply, "If we had received the Guidance of Allah, we should have given it to you: to us it makes no difference (now) whether we rage, or bear (these torments) with patience: for ourselves there is no way of escape."

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And the Shaitan shall say after the affair is decided: Surely Allah promised you the promise of truth, and I gave you promises, then failed to keep them to you, and I had no power over you, except that I called you and you obeyed me, therefore do not blame me but blame yourselves: I cannot be your aider (now) nor can you be my aiders; surely I disbelieved in your associating me with Allah before; surely it is the unjust that shall have the painful punishment.

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But those who believe and work righteousness will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow,- to dwell therein for aye with the leave of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: "Peace!"

So there you have it, there is no such thing as posession nor is that a valid exuse for anyone.

Brother, you problem is that you do not follow the Sunnah. There are confirmed Hadith proving that there have been cases of posession in Muhammad's (saw) time, and even in our time. If all this proof cannot show you that there is indeed posession of humans, then I do not know how else to convince you. If you saw the videos you would notice that in all of them, whenever the Adhan was recited, the posessed person would become extremely agitated. And you should know what Satan does when he hears the Adhan.....

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Brother, you problem is that you do not follow the Sunnah. There are confirmed Hadith proving that there have been cases of posession in Muhammad's (saw) time, and even in our time. If all this proof cannot show you that there is indeed posession of humans, then I do not know how else to convince you. If you saw the videos you would notice that in all of them, whenever the Adhan was recited, the posessed person would become extremely agitated. And you should know what Satan does when he hears the Adhan.....

But I know from the Qur'an that Shaitan does not get agitate by the call to prayer, he himself PRAYED to get what he wanted in life: he has absolutely no fight with God, but a big fight with man kind, what Agitates Shaitan is Human Arrogance, but besides Agitating him he uses it against people.

The Hadiths words do not supercede the words of the Qur'an, the Hadiths are stories written way after the actual events and times by people who were not presents who collected it by people who were the children and grandchildren of people who were supposedly present (converts).

The Qur'an CLEARLY states that the Shaitan has no power over people that everyone has their own responsibility and can't blame anyone but themselves. This means that they can not make the exuse of being "posessed" while sinning and thus think that anulls the sin.

The Writers of the Hadith tried to make Shaitan to be a character different than the character in the Qur'an, one who hates God: Shaitan does not hate God, Shaitan is Arrogance and Pride, Shaitan hates human beings and human arrogance and pride so he uses it against them to suggest they do incredibly stupid things, but all Shaitan is, is the arrogant suggestion, he has no power over anyone and can not force them or MAKE them do anything, thus he can not be blamed, only the individual can be blamed.

in christianity and judaism one can only become possesed by allowing the spirit in in a moment of weakness as well...

quote:Originally posted by kenwih:

in christianity and judaism one can only become possesed by allowing the spirit in in a moment of weakness as well...

I think it must be a metaphor of letting anger make you lose a hold on sensibility and thus leading into doing something wrong, but the Qur'an clearly states that nobody has power over someone else so that people don't have an exuse "The Devil Made Me Do It!"

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I think it must be a metaphor

Exactly. Now apply that Metaphor Model to the entire concept, and we'll be on the same page.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I think it must be a metaphor of letting anger make you lose a hold on sensibility and thus leading into doing something wrong, but the Qur'an clearly states that nobody has power over someone else so that people don't have an exuse "The Devil Made Me Do It!"



you may interpret it that way, but the majority of christians believe in literal possesion. jesus cast out demons, and gave his followers the ability to do so. i don't know about islam, but i'm betting the majority of them believe in possesion as well...

quote:Originally posted by kenwih:



you may interpret it that way, but the majority of christians believe in literal possesion. jesus cast out demons, and gave his followers the ability to do so. i don't know about islam, but i'm betting the majority of them believe in possesion as well...

I really dislike the concept of possesion as it seems to give people an exuse to negate personal responsibility for actions and behavior.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I really dislike the concept of possesion as it seems to give people an exuse to negate personal responsibility for actions and behavior.

possesion is generally considered to be extremely rare...except in sects more influenced by older beliefs that see demons in everyday life.

islam does belive in demons (jenn)

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quote:Originally posted by KING G:

islam does belive in demons (jenn)



The beings known as Jinnath are described as being made of smokeless fire, able to move extremely fast and do great feats such as picking up and moving something heavy in an instant "The twinkling of an eye".

Human beings can not communicate or see Jinn, the only human the Qur'an mentions able to speak to Jinn was Sulaiman, who had the ability to communicate with all creatures.

The Jinn are different from humans but it hints to their having their own kind of ranking systems and communities.

Jinn are not demons, some Jinn are good, some Jinn are bad, just like humans.

The other creature mentioned in the Qur'an besides animals are the Maliaka. The Maliaka are not described much, can appear in different forms, and act as heralds or messengers. They are said in the Qur'an to come with wings two three or four but how they look is not described in detail.

The New Testament Book of Revelation/Apocolypse describes an Angel in great detail.

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