I'm sorry if im posting this again.

its just that probably this time its in the hands of the right forumed ppl - pls feel free to answer again if you wish

HOW WAS GOD CREATED IF HE WAS REAL? did he just.. APPEAR?!!? LIKE POOF!?? huh, what? how? and if that makes u think about science,, HOW WAS THE BIG BANG CREATED? was there just a gas in there and a BIG SPARK?!?! MOLECULES THAT CAME OUT OF NO WHERE?!?! i dont get it! so WTF!!

This (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Poof%2C_There_It_Is_Theory) should explain it.

quote:Originally posted by DrunkwthBullets:

I'm sorry if im posting this again.

its just that probably this time its in the hands of the right forumed ppl - pls feel free to answer again if you wish

HOW WAS GOD CREATED IF HE WAS REAL? did he just.. APPEAR?!!? LIKE POOF!?? huh, what? how? and if that makes u think about science,, HOW WAS THE BIG BANG CREATED? was there just a gas in there and a BIG SPARK?!?! MOLECULES THAT CAME OUT OF NO WHERE?!?! i dont get it! so WTF!!



If God is 'spirit', then is 'spirit' molecular?

I'm tired of these "Where did god come from" threads. According to the bible, "God is forever". As he's been here forever, and will always be here.

These threads just make all the 10 year old self rightious atheists come out.

P.S: Scientifically, we have no answer to the very beginning, if there was one. At least that side of the argument admits it. But, we're ever expanding. So maybe there never was nothing.

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quote:Originally posted by Myke:

These threads just make all the 10 year old self rightious atheists come out.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) Yes, because we disagree with you, we're self-righteous children.

Naw man, I'm not religious or anything. But it does make them come out! Admit it!

quote:Originally posted by Myke:



P.S: Scientifically, we have no answer to the very beginning, if there was one. At least that side of the argument admits it. But, we're ever expanding. So maybe there never was nothing.



I suppose that if we're ever-expanding then we are continually moving away from the point of origin.

Oh well, questions are usually more interesting than answers anyway, imo.

quote:Originally posted by Myke:

I'm tired of these "Where did god come from" threads. According to the bible, "God is forever". As he's been here forever, and will always be here.



isn't that just like saying the universe has been here forever?

God is not a "Thing" that was created, nor did God appear. Strip away all that is within, all these things, and what do you have? Nothing? Yes, in the image of nothing, but it is God, the ever lasting, who was not created nor can be destroyed.

God is what time and linear thought and all these universes and realities exist within: God is not a man or a woman or some being with a form but all forms are within God the infinite all powerful, the ultimate all encompassing reality.

God has always existed, there is nothing outside of God, there is only God, everything is within it and made of it entirely.

God didn't appear out of nowhere, God is what things appeared within, but if you want an even greater understanding you have to understand that there is no real first to anything, that every single possibility has always existed, that God is a ripe plain of infinite knowledge which never ends, there was no beginning, there will be no end, forever it will constantly play out infinity unceasingly having always played it, there is no Time that God is Within but All time is withing God. God is all there is and ever was and ever will be.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

God is not a "Thing" that was created, nor did God appear. Strip away all that is within, all these things, and what do you have? Nothing? Yes, in the image of nothing, but it is God, the ever lasting, who was not created nor can be destroyed.

God is what time and linear thought and all these universes and realities exist within: God is not a man or a woman or some being with a form but all forms are within God the infinite all powerful, the ultimate all encompassing reality.

God has always existed, there is nothing outside of God, there is only God, everything is within it and made of it entirely.

God didn't appear out of nowhere, God is what things appeared within, but if you want an even greater understanding you have to understand that there is no real first to anything, that every single possibility has always existed, that God is a ripe plain of infinite knowledge which never ends, there was no beginning, there will be no end, forever it will constantly play out infinity unceasingly having always played it, there is no Time that God is Within but All time is withing God. God is all there is and ever was and ever will be.

Wow, that's so deep.

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Either he always was or has never been. I recommend flipping a coin. It's the only proper way.

if you believe in eternity then he never was created

Since matter can not be created or destroyed, maybe the universe has already been changing forms for eternity.

What I mean is, the Big Bang could have been the explosion after the universe had compressed itself for the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.......th time.

There is probably no evidence to suggest this at all though. The human mind can't comprehend eternity.

quote:Originally posted by smallpox champion:

Since matter can not be created or destroyed, maybe the universe has already been changing forms for eternity.

What I mean is, the Big Bang could have been the explosion after the universe had compressed itself for the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.......th time.

There is probably no evidence to suggest this at all though. The human mind can't comprehend eternity.

I do believe the universe has been compressing and expanding since forever.

Big Bang Theory:

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.

In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.

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God theory: According to the bible, like that other guy said, god is forever and has been here forever. But Im not that religious, though I do have some religious beliefs

If god always existed,

then he waited forever before

he made the universe, right?

Forever is a long time to

not do anything.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

If god always existed,

then he waited forever before

he made the universe, right?

Forever is a long time to

not do anything.

Sometime, within forever, god created the universe? That could be/have been any time within that time, wouldn't you say?

I believe with God are an infinite number of possibilities, realities, and universes constantly active in the ripe plain of infinite knowledge that all things are composed of: God.

they simply cant explain it, so they choose to still follow there blind faith. the only god that could exist would me a MASTER chemist who created our universe as a chemistry experiment, he programed sertain laws into each molecule and set the big bang into motion, his powers would be altering the universe in a large scale, not saving a persons or turning water into wine in this spec of planet

God was created the moment nothing asked itself "What am I?"

Suddenly nothing was everything.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

God was created the moment nothing asked itself "What am I?"

Suddenly nothing was everything.

Nothing is Nothing, if it was truly Nothing it can't ask anything. BUT I love the idea of what you said.

I think if someone believes in the "god theory" (theory that god has always been and was never created) then they should also believe it is equally possible for the universe to have always been which means no explosion of galactic jizz or anything created the universe.

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science can and will eventually explain all, eg 1000 years ago we didn't know what shape earth was, 800 years ago we thought it was flat, now we know for sure its round, the point is even if we can't fully explain and prove the big band theory as correct maybe in 20 or 30 or even 50 years time science knowlage will be able to explain it and prove god obsoliete just like all those other times it has before, who ever even thinks we r the decendents of adam and eve must be stupid, 1: how did 2 white people mate and their children become black and yellow red neck etc. 2. if their children mated with each other i'm dead sure their children will be deformed as there genes match too perfectly

religion was made to bring piece to the public (be good and go to heaven, be bad and go to hell). all other stories were made to make it seem like the truth. wich wasnt that hard considering this was when there was no technology and no understanding of the earth/universe/nature

but now this religion that once brought piece is now destroying the world, religions fighting religions, countrys fighting countrys

^ This thread is about God not religeon.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

God has always existed, there is nothing outside of God, there is only God, everything is within it and made of it entirely.God didn't appear out of nowhere

Strange though, that I have heard several times over the years from different clergy types that God is a "self created being." Now why do you suppose they would say that?

Religion/god were created for control along with filling the ignorance of the people. back then people thought it was god keeping them on the ground at all times and now we realize that its gravity, which isnt exactly unique considering all things have somewhat of a slight to large gravitational pull depending on how big or small it is.

the thing is, eternity doesn't need a begining. eternity isn't just a really, really long time. eternity has no begining the same way it has no end.

although, time doesn't have much meaning in a singularity.

why the fuck are you asking totse, ask hawking or something.

God was created when our distant ancestors looked up at the stars and first wondered where they came from. God is a concept created in the image of man. Within societies, the evolutionary advantage of beleif in 'god/s'was seen and the manifestation compounded.

call me cynical, but this is my view.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

Strange though, that I have heard several times over the years from different clergy types that God is a "self created being." Now why do you suppose they would say that?



Its wrong to say "self created" implying there was a time before God, while all time is within God, essentially God is all there is and ever was, there is nothing but God. God was never created and can not be destroyed, God has no beginning and has no end, God is infinite and has existed in all directions in all ways, with all possibilities, at all times, forever.

I mean no offense to anyone when I say this, and humbly apologize if I do. But, doesn't this explanation of God simply undermine intelligence itself? You must assume that if something exists, that it somehow came to be. In this I see a problem with virtually all theories of creation. For example, the Big Bang theory... What started it? Where did the matter originate? It is the same with God. I figure that someday we may be able to figure all of this out, but does religion truly hold the key? I doubt it. When you put religion and science together, you get riots and dumbass Christian extremists who think that Noah's Ark was really a giant boat that had two of everything on it... Oh yeah, and Adam and Eve contradicts genetics, we'd all be inbred weirdos. Sorry about that.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Its wrong to say "self created" implying there was a time before God, while all time is within God, essentially God is all there is and ever was, there is nothing but God. God was never created and can not be destroyed, God has no beginning and has no end, God is infinite and has existed in all directions in all ways, with all possibilities, at all times, forever.



Sorry hun, but you'll have to do better than that. Everything has some sort of beginning.

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quote:Originally posted by DrunkwthBullets:



HOW WAS GOD CREATED IF HE WAS REAL? did he just.. APPEAR?!!? LIKE POOF!?? huh, what? how? and if that makes u think about science,, HOW WAS THE BIG BANG CREATED? was there just a gas in there and a BIG SPARK?!?! MOLECULES THAT CAME OUT OF NO WHERE?!?! i dont get it! so WTF!!

Read Stephen Hawking's book, "A Brief History of Time", he explains that whilst he was a supporter of Big Bang Theory he later changed his mind(P.54). He writes of the nature of light, how the gravity of suns and black holes bends the rays of light, for example: a black hole bends the rays of light until they disappear beyond the event horizon. Seeing as it is not possible to travel faster than light, if one was able to travel at the speed of light, the gravitational effects would warp space and time so that even though you were travelling in what seemed a straight line, you would actually be travelling in a curved path, something like travelling around Earth. It would appear from the perspective of the traveller they were going straight, however they would eventually end up back where they started!

Curvature of space and time solves many of the riddles associated with singularities, whether the universe has boundaries etc, and removes the need for a beginning or an end, and also removes the need for a creator. Does this mean God does not exist? Possibly but maybe not http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) It means however that God would not be what most humans commonly think of as God.

For an interesting alternative perspective see: http://www.gnostic.org/kybalionhtm/kybalion.htm

in particular: http://www.gnostic.org/kybalionhtm/kybalion4.htm

"THE ALL IS MIND; THE UNIVERSE IS MENTAL."--THE KYBALION.

This Principle embodies the truth that "All is Mind." It explains that THE ALL (which is the Substantial Reality underlying all the outward manifestations and appearances which we know under the terms of "The Material Universe"; the "Phenomena of Life"; "Matter"; "Energy"; and, in short, all that is apparent to our material senses) is SPIRIT which in itself is UNKNOWABLE and UNDEFINABLE, but which may be considered and thought of as AN UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND." (The Kybalion)

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Assuming the logic behind a single, eternal entity is possible in our reality, then...well, obviously the existence is self sustaining and to a degree that this question need not be asked, because the very idea of an omnipotent, eternal, omnipresent being being "created" goes against the logic of existence (assuming such logic is real).

I don't really get how you can answer this question to someone beyond a certain point.

Science cannot and will not beable to explain god EVER.

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saying god is FOREVOR makes no fuken sense. So god was just sitting on his lazy fucken ass for 20 BILLION years(forgot how old the universe is) then 10 000 years ago he decided hmmmmm my life sucks lets make a type of animal that has the ability learn and worship me, ill even tell them if they dont worship me they'll go to a dark place filled with demons and fire when they die, this should give me something to watch whihle im sitten up here in heaven jacken off all the time

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Ugh.

Man created god. He sprang from the imagination of people who needed something to believe in and to explain natural phenomena, as well as answer the question "where did we come from?"

It worked for a couple thousand years.

It is my firm opinion that man and god are interchangeable from a creation standpoint; Man will evolve into something, eventually, that we won't recognize as "man" but will be functionally akin to a god. He will then retroactively create the universe he resides in to bring about himself.

When everything is impossible from the get-go it all makes a lot more sense.

I bet if you find the center of the universe all questions would be answered.

quote:Originally posted by redzed:



Curvature of space and time solves many of the riddles associated with singularities, whether the universe has boundaries etc, and removes the need for a beginning or an end, and also removes the need for a creator. Does this mean God does not exist? Possibly but maybe not http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) It means however that God would not be what most humans commonly think of as God.



What do you think I've been trying to say all this time!

A beginning to things does not in any way prove God or help to prove God as God has always existed, within God all the universe, realities, and possibilities have always existed infinite in all directions, there was no center point at which all things sprung it has always been there, time within, and this universe has been constantly expanding and contracting forever, there is no count, there was no beginning, and there will be no end.

God isn't what most people think God is, God is what this and all realities exist within, by, are made of, the infinite plain of infinite knowledge which allows and holds all things within it. The One, The Only. God.

what sucks of being in this human form in this universe where things begin, excist and end, we dont truly have a concept of infnite, is very very hard to imagen... but god has no creater nor was he born or will he ever cease to be, the rules of beginng and end are made by him, and dont apply to him.