i believe it isnt our place to prove or deny the existence of a god.

but sometimes i feel like maybe i am god just on accident or something. i am god for no reason. or maybe we are all our own gods.

WTF are you talking about?

quote:Originally posted by requiem:

WTF are you talking about?

I think he's trying to say that he is afraid to decide, and doesn't want to take a firm stance either way.

What an emo. Agnostics are emos. Believers are losers. Atheists are the winners.

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

What an emo. Agnostics are emos. Believers are losers. Atheists are the winners.

Your just as bad as the believers, dumbass.

And why is that? I don't have to back my argument up with an insult either.

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

And why is that? I don't have to back my argument up with an insult either.

LOHOL UR NEM IZ JAKE GOLDING DUZ THAT MEAN GOLD COMEZ OUT OF YOR EARZ? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL RITE? IT DUZ!

I'm God too. Whoa dude, how's the whole Omnipotent business going?

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

And why is that? I don't have to back my argument up with an insult either.

Why is that? You don't have an argument to support your claim just like the believers.

You are your own god, because in many ways you choose your own destiny. You can change the world around you and no one can do much about it.

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

Why is that? You don't have an argument to support your claim just like the believers.

Jake got owned.

I'm agnostic, but it doesn't mean I'm afraid to make a decision- I made the decision to make no absolute statements either way. I find both atheism and most religions to be arrogant in their claims because it seems to me like they are assuming they know things which, at this point in time, are essentially unknowable. This does not mean I am saying "ZOMGH BUT CHRISTANS R DUMASES LOL", or the same sort of thing to atheists, because I don't care what you believe as long as you don't try to preach to me. And I don't like being called an emo or a pussy for being indecisive.

I see what you're saying though OP. Basically it's a random theory you have, not enough evidence to really call it a theory. Sometime's I wonder strange things like that.

"What if I'm God and I don't even know it."

"What if this world is fake, I'm the only real person here and this is my trial to see if I should be allowed into the next world."



It's really just random thoughts, I don't believe those things.

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quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

What an emo. Agnostics are emos. Believers are losers. Atheists are the winners.

an atheist believes in science, which is based on theory. you people cant even prove gravity its still a theory to this day.

jake, science in itself is a religion, you people follow it religiously, but think your justifying it because its based on observation

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quote:Originally posted by Private Rodent:

I see what you're saying though OP. Basically it's a random theory you have, not enough evidence to really call it a theory. Sometime's I wonder strange things like that.

"What if I'm God and I don't even know it."

"What if this world is fake, I'm the only real person here and this is my trial to see if I should be allowed into the next world."



It's really just random thoughts, I don't believe those things.



i wonder that all the time, whether im the only real person. those thoughts EXACTLY come across my mind all the time like crazy

quote:Originally posted by liquidforce:

an atheist believes in science, which is based on theory. you people cant even prove gravity its still a theory to this day.

jake, science in itself is a religion, you people follow it religiously, but think your justifying it because its based on observation



It's based on empirical evidence which has been repeatedly peer-reviewed and scrutinized and still holds up. That's what makes a scientific theory. Religious faith relies on not being held up to the same standard.

quote:Originally posted by smallpox champion:

It's based on empirical evidence which has been repeatedly peer-reviewed and scrutinized and still holds up. That's what makes a scientific theory. Religious faith relies on not being held up to the same standard.

You must understand that we don't have all the answers in life. As time progresses, so does science. At one time people thought Newton's work was as much as humans would know about gravity. Later on Einstein wrote his own works about gravity, etc. Scientists do not have omniscience.

God is our deep psychological makeup. We have from the earliest times 'projected' our unconscious into the outside world, described them in myth, legend, fairytales etc. We are God but we are also apart from God. We are like mediators between a Collective Unconscious and the Physical world. Blending Subjectivity with Objectivity.

We are the universe observing itself from a differentiation of the whole. We are the 'patterns of behaviour' in the universe. We are God, but we are God with a problem. The difficulty of self realization, and meaning. We have choice, apparently a massive gamble of evolution.

We must look to ourselves like the Gnostics and the Alchemists.

Accepting outside authority is digusting.

quote:Originally posted by liquidforce:

an atheist believes in science, which is based on theory. you people cant even prove gravity its still a theory to this day.



What the fuck are you talking about?? Do you fall on your ass when you trip over something? Is earth still circling the sun in an endless celestial dance?? Is not that proof enough?

quote:Originally posted by Beaver186:

I'm agnostic, but it doesn't mean I'm afraid to make a decision- I made the decision to make no absolute statements either way. I find both atheism and most religions to be arrogant in their claims because it seems to me like they are assuming they know things which, at this point in time, are essentially unknowable. This does not mean I am saying "ZOMGH BUT CHRISTANS R DUMASES LOL", or the same sort of thing to atheists, because I don't care what you believe as long as you don't try to preach to me. And I don't like being called an emo or a pussy for being indecisive.

I see your point. I was agnostic for a long time before I was an atheist. I finally found that my beliefs truly were in atheism in the end.

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

Your just as bad as the believers, dumbass.



Seconded. P.S. I hate flood control.

There’s a difference between science and religion. Religion makes a load of claims with no evidence to back it up and then requires you to believe said claims 100%, whereas science is open to scrutiny and observes objects and then builds the facts logically from them and doesn't claim to know everything.

Science doesn't rely on faith.

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quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

You must understand that we don't have all the answers in life. As time progresses, so does science. At one time people thought Newton's work was as much as humans would know about gravity. Later on Einstein wrote his own works about gravity, etc. Scientists do not have omniscience.

Exactly. When new things come to light, scientific theory is modified to fit with the new information, otherwise we would be getting nowhere. Religious faith doesn't change when new things are discovered, and that is the problem. People mistake their religious beleifs for the science.

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

And why is that? I don't have to back my argument up with an insult either.

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

Agnostics are emo.Believers are losers.

lol

Yes i do realise im a hypocrite.

The point is religion is based on faith which is an irrational idea. When i read an economics textbook i dont have 'faith' that what is said is true i believe it is so because it is rational. In science there is no leap of faith.

quote:Originally posted by Jake_golding:

What an emo. Agnostics are emos. Believers are losers. Atheists are the winners.

Go to hell, you faggot.

quote:Originally posted by Private Rodent:



"What if this world is fake, I'm the only real person here and this is my trial to see if I should be allowed into the next world."

Holy shit... I didn't know there were people out there that wondered this as well. Hehe, I thought I was kind of unique for wondering it. I'm probably just ignorant though. I've actually thought out this entire idea and concept and wrote an essay on it once. I've been thinking this for a long time...

quote:Originally posted by Overman:

Science doesn't rely on faith.

Yes it does. It relies on the faith that if something has been almost exclusively observed to behave in a particular pattern for as long as anyone can remember, it will continue happening in that manner.

Which I generally support.

However, it relies on a hell of a lot less faith than religion.

As for the thread topic: yes, the nature of god in general is such that it is impossible to prove or disprove its/his/her existence. Regardless, believing in something because it can't be disproven WITH NO OTHER REASONING is invalid.



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quote:Originally posted by jammoe:

Yes it does. It relies on the faith that if something has been almost exclusively observed to behave in a particular pattern for as long as anyone can remember, it will continue happening in that manner.

Which I generally support.

However, it relies on a hell of a lot less faith than religion.

As for the thread topic: yes, the nature of god in general is such that it is impossible to prove or disprove its/his/her existence. Regardless, believing in something because it can't be disproven WITH NO OTHER REASONING is invalid.





We don't need faith in that because nothing that exists will randomly do anything at any time under any conditions. An acorn won't turn into a butterfly. A plant will not talk and etc. "The characteristics of an entity determine what it can and cannot do...limitations form a part of natural law"



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Step one, make a choice, what do you believe: Solipsism or External Reality?

The first means that everything is inside you projected, you're the only person. Some extra variations I like to make on it that everyone and everything is a reflection of you.

The next believes in an "Objective" External Reality outside of yourself, that other people and things exist.

Well common sense says External reality because all communication and language is based on this. A true proposition such as "The sky is blue" defines a fact of reality. If there is no reality than there is no truth. So solipsism is illogical.

quote:Originally posted by hespeaks:

Well common sense says External reality because all communication and language is based on this. A true proposition such as "The sky is blue" defines a fact of reality. If there is no reality than there is no truth. So solipsism is illogical.

Define reality ;P

quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

Define reality ;P

Everything that is, whether it is observable, accessible or understandable by science, philosophy, or any other system of analysis.

quote:Originally posted by hespeaks:

Everything that is, whether it is observable, accessible or understandable by science, philosophy, or any other system of analysis.



whoa

I didn't read the whole thread, so please inform me if I'm taking this definition the wrong way, but

Using a system restricts you from experiencing everything, or being able to classify it as your type of reality. I take it that you don't believe in the paranormal AT ALL? Or anything metaphysical?

quote:Originally posted by liquidforce:

an atheist believes in science, which is based on theory. you people cant even prove gravity its still a theory to this day.

jake, science in itself is a religion, you people follow it religiously, but think your justifying it because its based on observation





Believes in science?

I don't know if I'm only speaking for myself, but I believe in a hell of a lot of things that science cannot explain, while staying confident in my atheism. Just because you don't think there's a diety doesn't mean you believe everything guys in glasses and laboratories tell you. There's other ways of describing happenings.

Also, what's wrong with a theist believing in science? I don't think that a god can do anything that science (or my personal beliefs about energy and existance) cannot explain, whether now or in the future.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

whoa

I didn't read the whole thread, so please inform me if I'm taking this definition the wrong way, but

Using a system restricts you from experiencing everything, or being able to classify it as your type of reality. I take it that you don't believe in the paranormal AT ALL? Or anything metaphysical?

Nah we use systems to understand and verify what we see in reality. If it wasn't for our systems of knowledge and intitution

we would be in intellectual turmoil. As for the paranormal since its a violation of a law of nature you would have to give me some "extraordinary evidence" to make me believe that it really happened and its not some type of illusion or doesn't have a natural explaination.



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I don't like bisexuality or agnostics really.

quote:Originally posted by liquidforce:

i believe it isnt our place to prove or deny the existence of a god.

but sometimes i feel like maybe i am god just on accident or something. i am god for no reason. or maybe we are all our own gods.

Noone can prove that you're not god.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I don't like bisexuality or agnostics really.

Ahaha, I'm agnostic, but this is damn funny. Best quote ever.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I don't like bisexuality or agnostics really.

So you're gay http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif). Don't make fun of agnostics... they're cool.