Does anyone know some good links where I can learn about astrology. I am 15 and just curious about the world and other things, I have some friends that really believe in astrology and I think it's interesting. I've tried looking for it on good but it just gives vague stuff that I already know about. I'm ready for the harder core stuff, like I was born on a tarus moon with a aries rising (just an example). Thanks for the help.

Check out the links at the bottom of this wiki page, there's some good ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology

It's complete crap.

I didn't say that it was or it wasn't, I'm interested in it.

Knowing your birth date doesn't make you ready for the hard-core knowledge. You have to have a firm grasp of the basics and be able to process that.

Just google, dude.

I've always wonered how different planets will directly affect people. Like, why different birthdates in different ways?

It's good to know a little about everything even if you don't apply it in your life... I just wanna get some info. I think that one person can believe a little in everything.

I would recommend http://www.celestialweather.com

I got a full, professional astrology chart done a while back... I'm extremely skeptical about it now, because it was 4 pages long and basically covered every personality trait through generalities. Keep in mind that this was supposed to be an incredibly reliable one. I just don't see how massive balls of heavy elements surrounded by gas and hurtling thorugh space could possibly affect something as inconsequential as our careers and personalities. Also, remember that astrology had its beginnings in a time when people thought that stars were the spokes of a burning chariot wheel (or something to that effect). Blah.

I was reading a horoscope book and I checked what it said for my birthday. It was so dead wrong, I felt sorry for the author.

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^^You can see what the Mayans think as well.

I think that some of it fits and some of it doesn't. It can't fit everyone 100% and the relationship and carrier stuff is dumb.

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Also, remember that astrology had its beginnings in a time when people thought that stars were the spokes of a burning chariot wheel (or something to that effect). Blah.

Misconception.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

It's complete crap.

Blind faith.



The mayans video is the best for the information.

So you know what faith is, Ate? It's belief without evidence (or in spite of evidence against). All the evidence suggests that astrology is complete crap, thus my belief is not faith. Go ahead and show one study (or other objective evidence) that suggests astrology is real. The people who believe in astrology are the ones with beliefs based on faith, because no evidence supports astrology.

You know you are right (and debating with a retard) when ... they try to use your exact argument against you, but fail to back it up. Like when people say evolution has zero evidence supporting it. The assertion is so utterly ridiculous that you know you must be right. It's like a little denial circuit goes off in their brain..scrambling to come up with anything that can preserve their delusions. The first thing that comes to them is the argument that you have used against them. As an added bonus, it also helps them rationalize belief in their side because it puts the criticism of their belief on equal ground as the opposition. In this case, ate has put both belief in astrology and the belief that astrology is crap as matters of faith. He cannot deal with the criticism against astrology, and he cannot accept that his beliefs are flawed, thus all he can do is counter attack.

hehe, scientists debunked astrology... or at least they think they did..

science is stupid anyway (<--don't believe that)

http://dsc .discovery.com/news/briefs/20060424/astrology_hum.html (http: //dsc.disc overy.com/ news/brief s/20060424 /astrology _hum.html)



AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EMBED LINKS??

EDIT: the larger, longer links.. it always makes spaces and f's it up for me.

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Astrology makes for a great Ice Breaker: www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com) Make your FREE Natal Chart and read all about yourself!

If you think about it everything in life is faith. Do you know 100% that the sun will come up tomorrow? Close but there is an off chanse. Everything is based on faith if you wanna argue about that stuff, especially every religion or any paranormal thing.

Bump, Hahaha

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

So you know what faith is, Ate? It's belief without evidence (or in spite of evidence against). All the evidence suggests that astrology is complete crap, thus my belief is not faith. Go ahead and show one study (or other objective evidence) that suggests astrology is real. The people who believe in astrology are the ones with beliefs based on faith, because no evidence supports astrology.

You know you are right (and debating with a retard) when ... they try to use your exact argument against you, but fail to back it up. Like when people say evolution has zero evidence supporting it. The assertion is so utterly ridiculous that you know you must be right. It's like a little denial circuit goes off in their brain..scrambling to come up with anything that can preserve their delusions. The first thing that comes to them is the argument that you have used against them. As an added bonus, it also helps them rationalize belief in their side because it puts the criticism of their belief on equal ground as the opposition. In this case, ate has put both belief in astrology and the belief that astrology is crap as matters of faith. He cannot deal with the criticism against astrology, and he cannot accept that his beliefs are flawed, thus all he can do is counter attack.

Da Ramble Masta attacks again.

Faith matters, and can determine whether something works or not (and not Can Make People Think Something Works), in certain situations, or subjects like... this one.

It's a load of bullshit. I can't understand how anyone can believe that anymore.

quote:Originally posted by Knight of the Realm:

It's a load of bullshit. I can't understand how anyone can believe that anymore.



(Not stating what I believe) Maybe I can't understand how you could believe what you do...

_-Vargev-_

My parents were hippies and followed astrology not just closely but actually wrote a book called Astrological Recipes. I, personally, have not subscribed but I can tell you what it's based on.

Astrology is an ancient study of the stars, sun, moon, and other celestial bodies. It's scientific basis lies in the fact that the moon controls the tides and thereby effects all water masses on the planet, and considering we humans 78% water and the earth itself is 78% water the moon has at least a minor effect on us. The tides are highest when the moon is full and lowest when the moon the new. So, you could say that people are more prone to overreaction during a full moon and are more accident prone or more absent minded around a new moon.

However, this is theoretical and besides the fact of the moon effecting the tides there is no scientific proof that it actually effects people. Still it's a very ancient belief and I believe that the moon and the tides does have a minor effect, myself.

Moreover it promotes the belief that our magnetic fields are effected by everything around us with a magnetic field. The stronger the field the stronger the effect. So, the rotation of the sun, the moon, and the stars, the planets, etc... all have a strong effect on us according to astrology. It supposes that the strength and inclination of your magnetic field is greatly dependant on what star/sun/moon you're born under and that these specific star/sun/moon's effect you the greatest throughout your life.

Cheers,

Lost

^ That is a common error. Thing is, phyics does not mix well with metaphysics, no matter hard you try to shake or stir it.

Astrology--like many metaphysical disciplines--is based on the ancient principle of "like affects like." In the Middle Ages, it was known as the doctrine of signatures. More recently, "sympathetic magick."

Most ignorant people base their opinions of astrology on the sun-sign horoscopes printed in the popular media, which are very general at best. But still they tend to be more reliable than the (ahem) "scientific" weather forecasts.

Doing any horoscope without the sun sign, moon sign, and rising sign is little better than guess work.

I know... I'm not talking about gosip astrology, I'm talking about serious astrology. Involving cusps and risings and stuff like that.

quote:Originally posted by Vargv:

If you think about it everything in life is faith. Do you know 100% that the sun will come up tomorrow? Close but there is an off chanse. Everything is based on faith if you wanna argue about that stuff, especially every religion or any paranormal thing.

Faith is belief with out evidence. I have evidence the sun will rise tomorrow, thus, that belief is not faith.

And LostCause, never again suggest that astrology has a scientific basis. Kthx.

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astrology is the study of all of the universes collective matter, might as well learn about it.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

Faith is belief with out evidence. I have evidence the sun will rise tomorrow, thus, that belief is not faith.

And LostCause, never again suggest that astrology has a scientific basis. Kthx.



But, it does have a scientific basis. The moon controls the tides due to it's magnetic field. That's the scientific fact that is the basis of astrology.

So you're wrong. Again. Want to go again?

Cheers,

Lost

1. So then the statement, "The Moon affects the Earth's oceanic tide, therefore LostCause is wrong", has scientific basis? You know full well that's not what "scientific basis" means.

Just because we can substantiate one particular thing Astrology might alude to, doesn't mean astrology as a whole has a scientific basis. Science does not support the claims which make up the "hypothesis" that is "Astrology".

2. It's gravitational field, not "magnetic field".

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

1. So then the statement, "The Moon affects the Earth's oceanic tide, therefore LostCause is wrong", has scientific basis? You know full well that's not what "scientific basis" means.

Just because we can substantiate one particular thing Astrology might alude to, doesn't mean astrology as a whole has a scientific basis. Science does not support the claims which make up the "hypothesis" that is "Astrology".

2. It's gravitational field, not "magnetic field".



I stated before that I don't believe in astrology. But, that is the scientific factual basis/grounds/whatever you want to call it that allows so many people to still believe in it.

Cheers,

Lost

The problem being that there is absolutely no reason to say that Astrology has "scientific factual basis/grounds/whatever you want to call it" just because it aludes to something that can be proven scientifically.

For example, if I say 2+2 =4, therefore Jesus is a moron, can I claim that "Jesus is a moron" has scientific basis/grounds? Of course not, because I have not proven any correlation to the claim and the "evidence".

Astrology isn't just the belief that celestial bodies can affect the oceanic tide of Earth, it's that celestial bodies affect pretty much all aspects of life on earth in a meaningful manner. That is not supported by the scientific evidence saying that celestial bodies can affect the tide on Earth, just like "Jesus is a moron" is not supported by the true statement "2+2=4". There is no correlation.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

It's complete crap.

Isn't every religion?

quote:Originally posted by random_jew:

Isn't every religion?

I am tempted to agree, but astrology isn't a religion, it's a...

Pseudoscience: (1) A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation. (2) a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific. (3) an activity resembling science but based on fallacious assumptions.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

The problem being that there is absolutely no reason to say that Astrology has "scientific factual basis/grounds/whatever you want to call it" just because it aludes to something that can be proven scientifically.

For example, if I say 2+2 =4, therefore Jesus is a moron, can I claim that "Jesus is a moron" has scientific basis/grounds? Of course not, because I have not proven any correlation to the claim and the "evidence".

Astrology isn't just the belief that celestial bodies can affect the oceanic tide of Earth, it's that celestial bodies affect pretty much all aspects of life on earth in a meaningful manner. That is not supported by the scientific evidence saying that celestial bodies can affect the tide on Earth, just like "Jesus is a moron" is not supported by the true statement "2+2=4". There is no correlation.

The alignment of the planets have changed since 2000 years. If astrology is properly and scientifically researched, we must do our own observations on demographic studies and astronomic alignments.

But that doesn't prevent astrology being a hypothesis or a work in wonder, no? It doesn't have enough balls to be a theory, but at least a hypothesis.

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But that doesn't prevent astrology being a hypothesis or a work in wonder, no?

Maybe the lack of new research (that I know of) to account for the change in celestial bodies in and of itself does not prevent astrology from being a hypothesis, but there are other things that I would argue that do.

For it to be a scientific hypothesis in the first place, it must be falsifiable. I don't see any way astrology may be comprehensibly be falsified, at least not in the eyes of those who hold it as a legitimate understanding of the universe.

The change in celestial bodies throughout centuries of human existence hasn't changed the minds of "believers"; neither have the comprehensive scientific studies done on these paranormal claims.

quote:Originally posted by Beaver186:

Also, remember that astrology had its beginnings in a time when people thought that stars were the spokes of a burning chariot wheel (or something to that effect). Blah.

The early Sumerians were the first to invent astrology over 5000 years ago. They made refferences indicating their knowledge of the existance of most of the solar system. They somehow knew that our solar system was comprised of 12 members which would be accurate if you count the moon, sun, and 10 planets including the new recently discovered one beyond Pluto. Now the farthest planet visible from the surface of the earth with a naked human eye is Jupiter and the telescope was invented around 400 years ago. So there was no way the Sumerians could have seen Uranus, Neptune, Pluto or anything beyond and had assumed it was a planet based on its moving position in the sky. Looking up at a dark sky over 5000 years ago would have probably produced a vision of thousands of stars. Pretty amazing that the Sumerians were as acurate as they were when counting out how many of those thousands of visible stars were actualy planets. Keep in mind this is during an age when the average person thought that the earth was flat and that those dots in the dark skies were burning chariot wheels.

^^^ Good point ^^^

^Actually it is a horrible point if I take the argument at face value. They mention a number (12) and then he retroactively picks and chooses celestial objects until the number is matched.

quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

The alignment of the planets have changed since 2000 years. If astrology is properly and scientifically researched, we must do our own observations on demographic studies and astronomic alignments.

But that doesn't prevent astrology being a hypothesis or a work in wonder, no? It doesn't have enough balls to be a theory, but at least a hypothesis.

Tropical/Western Astrology is no longer based on the positions of the constellations but runs on another system. Sidereal/Vedic/Eastern Astrology still coincides with the position of the constellations and is more like ancient astrology.

In Western Astrology I'm a Scorpio with a Leo moon and the ascendant of Scorpio/Sag

In Eastern Astrology I'm a Libra with a Crab moon and the ascendant of Scorpio