This is born out of the topic "What do you think of Jesus?"

It's a pretty intresting thought since i know there are conflicting view points.

Do you belieive it was possible for Jesus to sin, or due to the fact that he was son of God, he could not sin.

*For less disputes we will go along the lines that Jesus was son of God.

^ It depends what you class as a sin.

Anything he would do comes from love. For the greater good.

2 people could do the exact same act. One would be so called sinning and one would not. It depends on the reasons.

Believing what Jesus believed, he would never have a reason to do anything that wasn't out of love. To act out of love is where true Joy is felt.

quote:Originally posted by Hempo man:

*For less disputes we will go along the lines that Jesus was son of God.

Dude if you want to understand anything, never limit what a discussion can provide.



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According to the bible he didnt but i think he did. i think he was a regular man built up by all of his followers as a man who couldnt sin since he was the son of god. im sure he had all the regular feelings such as lust (he sees a hot girl and thinks wow shes fuckin hott).

Nah i aint limiting the debate to that..just there is no reason to ask this question if i wasnt basing it on the fact people see him as son of God.

Some people beleive he physically, mentally and literally could not sin due to being the son of God. I beleive he was son of God but i do not believe that statement and wish to question it.

I too think he was still a regular man with the same feelings as us. It makes him far closer to the human people and a stronger person.

i beleive it meant that he was the product of a virgin birth.

i would certainly assume that he did sin when he was a young kid, who didnt?

i dont see why or how this matters?

quote:Originally posted by Hempo man:

I too think he was still a regular man with the same feelings as us. It makes him far closer to the human people and a stronger person.

Sure, and we have the capability of being exactly what Jesus was. Enlightened. Full of understanding.

He was just another human who had acheived something that every soul will eventually acheive. And you can see examples of your understanding of life developing all the time.....realisations!!!

Notice how your understanding of life gradually grows? When you see life in action you understand how certain things happen. Your understandings reach deeper levels which enable you to live a better life. This understanding is the core of our essence and it applies to all of life.

With time you can see the full matrix as Jesus did. Don't shun the guides that help you to reach understanding faster. Listen and see if what they say makes any sense to you.

One of the books that was left out of the bible describes a young jesus playing with another child on a rooftop. For whatever reason he pushes the other child off the roof killing him.

The villagers see this and become very angry with jesus yelling "WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING?"

Young jesus realizing he was in trouble uses his power to raise the boy back to life. He then asked the boy, "Did I kill you?" The young boy quickly says no. So all is forgiven.

You can see why trhis story never made it into the bible as it portrays jesus as a cosmic powered brat. Is that a sin? I'd say yes. Unlike jesus we don't have the ability to bring someone back from the dead when we get angry and do something stupid. We just don't get a "undo a mistake pass" like he supposedly had.

^^Or it was pure bullshit. Heard it too.

Jesus couldn't sin. That is, if he was the Son, he couldn't. That would mean that God could sin, which is impossible.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

One of the books that was left out of the bible describes a young jesus playing with another child on a rooftop. For whatever reason he pushes the other child off the roof killing him.

The villagers see this and become very angry with jesus yelling "WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING?"

Young jesus realizing he was in trouble uses his power to raise the boy back to life. He then asked the boy, "Did I kill you?" The young boy quickly says no. So all is forgiven.

You can see why trhis story never made it into the bible as it portrays jesus as a cosmic powered brat. Is that a sin? I'd say yes. Unlike jesus we don't have the ability to bring someone back from the dead when we get angry and do something stupid. We just don't get a "undo a mistake pass" like he supposedly had.

While I haven't read the book in question(you wouldn't have a link would you?), I don't think that would be a sin.

It seems to me like it would be more of an early sign of his calling rather than him just making a mistake.

Was this from a Gospel? Timothy?

I love how people will willing accept canon and non-canon in MMORPGS, and series etc... but when it comes to religion

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

Jesus couldn't sin. That is, if he was the Son, he couldn't. That would mean that God could sin, which is impossible.

God decides what is a sin. God killed all the first born in Egypt, but because he decides what is a sin that particular mass murder was ok.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

^^Or it was pure bullshit. Heard it too.

Jesus couldn't sin. That is, if he was the Son, he couldn't. That would mean that God could sin, which is impossible.

So your saying that God isn't omnipotent then?

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

While I haven't read the book in question(you wouldn't have a link would you?), I don't think that would be a sin.

It seems to me like it would be more of an early sign of his calling rather than him just making a mistake.

Was this from a Gospel? Timothy?

Sorry NC I don't remember the name it was mentioned in a documentary on the history channel though. As far as it not being a sin. I don't see how it can't be counted as one. Being god's son shouldn't exclude him from wrong doing like the rest of us.

It should be a situation of where he leads by example not one where it's "do as I say not as I do."

quote:Originally posted by Source:

So your saying that God isn't omnipotent then?

- It depends on what you mean by God (as in what god, and which one).

- It depends on what you mean by omnipotent

- You have to realize that The True god IS omnipotent.

- To answer, wtf... the JC god cannot sin. It doesn't take away from its omnipotence, either. It's like, derrr.

Well since "good" is essentially defined as "what God does", no Jesus couldn't have sinned.

If Jesus was perfect, then he could never do a wrongful action. It's a logical impossibility.

Jesus was human, he was flesh and bone. He chose not to sin, because he was the son of God. But yes, he could have sinned.

First of all, define "sin"--if you mean "an offense to God," there is no such thing, as God cannot be offended.

Second, we are ALL sons and daughters of Gid, since God is everything and everywhere.

However, Jesus COULD choose to act in a base and cruel manner--as could any of us--but would not make that choice, as to do so would be contrary to his nature.

quote:Originally posted by The_Big_Beef:

[B]According to the bible B]



Odds are, any statement starting with "According to the Bible" will be incorrect, as the Bible is rife with errors.

jesus is make believe.

anyone here the story of when Jesus pushed over the table of the 2 men selling stuff inside the church just becuz they were doing it in a church and it made him mad. he could have nicely asked them to go elsewhere

quote:Originally posted by Arson-Daily:

anyone here the story of when Jesus pushed over the table of the 2 men selling stuff inside the church just becuz they were doing it in a church and it made him mad. he could have nicely asked them to go elsewhere

Jesus was a badass, got a problem wit dat? huh punk?

I believe Jesus was a man born to a righteous good woman, who preached a good message, who COULD HAVE SINNED IF HE HAD SO WILLED but decided to do good instead of bad, and is an EXAMPLE FOR ALL PEOPLE, that humans are CAPABLE OF RESISTING EVIL AND DOING RIGHT INSTEAD OF WRONG.

Got it?

Erm...here's a hint for you people thinking he could sin: perfection is incapable of wrongdoing.

If Jesus was God, then he gets to define what moral is. If God and Jesus decided that raping babies was morally right, then it would've been.

Actually, I suppose that Socrates would've had something to say about that, but we'll leave that for now.

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

Erm...here's a hint for you people thinking he could sin: perfection is incapable of wrongdoing.

If Jesus was God, then he gets to define what moral is. If God and Jesus decided that raping babies was morally right, then it would've been.

Actually, I suppose that Socrates would've had something to say about that, but we'll leave that for now.

I dont believe in imperfection.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

Sorry NC I don't remember the name it was mentioned in a documentary on the history channel though. As far as it not being a sin. I don't see how it can't be counted as one. Being god's son shouldn't exclude him from wrong doing like the rest of us.

It should be a situation of where he leads by example not one where it's "do as I say not as I do."





Hmmm...I've heard that story.

If someone does not know that what they do is 'sinful', then can they be held accountable for said sin?

The story suggests to me his growing awareness of right and wrong, and the power to overcome those wrongs with right action.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

While I haven't read the book in question(you wouldn't have a link would you?), I don't think that would be a sin.

It seems to me like it would be more of an early sign of his calling rather than him just making a mistake.

Was this from a Gospel? Timothy?

The Infancy Gospel Of Thomas (http://tinyurl.com/eemnq)

I am a little perturbed that so many people are commenting on the 'roof incident' and were yet unaware from which 'gnostic' gospel it came...

Maybe more study before commenting would be good :P

I guarantee he jerked it a couple of times http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

If the guy actually existed, it's not the fact that he was "incapable of sinning" more that he could come to terms with his own pain, and the things that had happened to him, and could progress from there...

quote:Originally posted by Mellow_Fellow:

I guarantee he jerked it a couple of times http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

If the guy actually existed, it's not the fact that he was "incapable of sinning" more that he could come to terms with his own pain, and the things that had happened to him, and could progress from there...

You think Jesus masturbated? What if he just had sex with his wife?

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

The Infancy Gospel Of Thomas (http://tinyurl.com/eemnq)

I am a little perturbed that so many people are commenting on the 'roof incident' and were yet unaware from which 'gnostic' gospel it came...

Maybe more study before commenting would be good :P



That's why I wanted to know which one it was. I've heard the story too, but I've never read it.

Thanks for the link.

After reading it, I stand by my original claim that he didn't sin. Sin requires intent and knowledge; an evil heart if you will.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

That's why I wanted to know which one it was. I've heard the story too, but I've never read it.

Thanks for the link.

After reading it, I stand by my original claim that he didn't sin. Sin requires intent and knowledge; an evil heart if you will.

I wasn't getting at you, just having a slight ketchian dig at the level of biblical knowledge on this site in general (did you miss the ' http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif) '?)

If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then no he was born without sin nor could he sin at all. If you believe he was a mortal man who was spreading Gods word then yes he sinned like everyone else. An example of this is how different gospels depict his baptism--some have him being baptized as a man, others say that he didn't need to be baptized and a great throng came down from heaven with doves and the such. You can't really trust the bible because Paul et al fucked it up, I don't think we'll ever know what Jesus really thought or said--I bet he would have lauged at the whole "son of God" thing as it's the furthest thing that he was trying to preach.

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quote:Originally posted by psuedogunslinger:

If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then no he was born without sin nor could he sin at all. If you believe he was a mortal man who was spreading Gods word then yes he sinned like everyone else.

Humans don't HAVE to sin, a human is fully capable of living a life without sinning.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Humans don't HAVE to sin, a human is fully capable of living a life without sinning.

Not according to some religious zealots, who claim even babies are born with original sin.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

The Infancy Gospel Of Thomas (http://tinyurl.com/eemnq)

I am a little perturbed that so many people are commenting on the 'roof incident' and were yet unaware from which 'gnostic' gospel it came...

Maybe more study before commenting would be good :P



Eyes jack suspiciously. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif) Hell I've read so much stuff over the years I'm lucky if I can remember where I read it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

P.S. thanks for that link. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)



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quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I believe Jesus was a man born to a righteous good woman, who preached a good message, who COULD HAVE SINNED IF HE HAD SO WILLED but decided to do good instead of bad, and is an EXAMPLE FOR ALL PEOPLE, that humans are CAPABLE OF RESISTING EVIL AND DOING RIGHT INSTEAD OF WRONG.

Got it?

My feelings exactly.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

One of the books that was left out of the bible describes a young jesus playing with another child on a rooftop. For whatever reason he pushes the other child off the roof killing him.

The villagers see this and become very angry with jesus yelling "WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING?"

Young jesus realizing he was in trouble uses his power to raise the boy back to life. He then asked the boy, "Did I kill you?" The young boy quickly says no. So all is forgiven.

You can see why trhis story never made it into the bible as it portrays jesus as a cosmic powered brat. Is that a sin? I'd say yes. Unlike jesus we don't have the ability to bring someone back from the dead when we get angry and do something stupid. We just don't get a "undo a mistake pass" like he supposedly had.

Can you give some kind of proof for that its a pretty impressive claim

quote:Originally posted by Gorloche:

My feelings exactly.

High Five!

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I dont believe in imperfection.



I don't really care about your personal beliefs.

Jesus is God. God is perfect. Therefore Jesus must always act in an absolutely good way (a perfect way).

If you want to arbitrarily pick a stance on the nature of Jesus then that's fine. But unless it's inline with Biblical sources, it's pretty irrelevant and impossible to discuss.

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