In this thread i hope to start a discussion on death and religion and hear all of your theories on what happens when something dies. i have been pondering this issue for some time now and would like to share what i believe with you all and hear what you think about it.

I have a hard time believing any religion i have heard of. i like to look at the issue from a more strait-up kind of way. What makes a person, and what gives them life? well it is only chemicals and electrical impulses in the brain. We are made up of the same atoms as everything else and the thing that makes each individual different is the connections and networks in the brain. When one dies the brain shuts down and that is it. All we are is electrical impulses and such that comes from that one organ, the brain. it is everything that gives us life, and perception of reality and makes us function as human beings. All other bodily organs serve to keep the brain functioning and us alive. People think that there is an after life and people have spirits and souls that move on, but the spirit and soul is nothing more than the neurons working in the brain. Once the brain is off, how can there be anything more? I really wish that i didn't think this way but for right now it is the only logical reasoning that i can think of.

When i hear people talk about religion and such things, i cannot help but to feel that religion is just a bunch of made up fairy tales that people use to escape the fact that one day they will cease to exist and there atoms will pass on back into nature where they first came from. Religion is what people use to answer questions they have, but do not have the answers to. It is guesses and things they wish were true because they can't accept the end. I just can't see things differently right now and i myself have to admit that my religious/scientific views are always changing. I do believe in jesus 100%, but i don't see what that really has to do with dying. I would love to believe that there is something after death and wish with all my heart that there actually is, but right now i am definitely doubting it.

I think that being dead is just like being in the time before you were born. You have NO idea whatsoever, the only people it affects are those around you.

Just a few points to think about and discuss.

1) If god made everything, than who made god?

2) All things will eventually come to an end so how do you expect even in the after life to "BE" for all of eternity for ever and ever.

3) If you believe in after life for humans, what about other living things... from cats and dogs to bacteria?

Well those are just a few thoughts that i had and thought i would share.

quote:Originally posted by dirty1thong1puller1am1i:

In this thread i hope to start a discussion on death and religion and hear all of your theories on what happens when something dies. i have been pondering this issue for some time now and would like to share what i believe with you all and hear what you think about it.

I have a hard time believing any religion i have heard of. i like to look at the issue from a more strait-up kind of way. What makes a person, and what gives them life? well it is only chemicals and electrical impulses in the brain. We are made up of the same atoms as everything else and the thing that makes each individual different is the connections and networks in the brain. When one dies the brain shuts down and that is it. All we are is electrical impulses and such that comes from that one organ, the brain. it is everything that gives us life, and perception of reality and makes us function as human beings. All other bodily organs serve to keep the brain functioning and us alive. People think that there is an after life and people have spirits and souls that move on, but the spirit and soul is nothing more than the neurons working in the brain. Once the brain is off, how can there be anything more? I really wish that i didn't think this way but for right now it is the only logical reasoning that i can think of.

When i hear people talk about religion and such things, i cannot help but to feel that religion is just a bunch of made up fairy tales that people use to escape the fact that one day they will cease to exist and there atoms will pass on back into nature where they first came from. Religion is what people use to answer questions they have, but do not have the answers to. It is guesses and things they wish were true because they can't accept the end. I just can't see things differently right now and i myself have to admit that my religious/scientific views are always changing. I would love to believe that there is something after death and wish with all my heart that there actually is, but right now i am definitely doubting it.

I think that being dead is just like being in the time before you were born. You have NO idea whatsoever, the only people it affects are those around you.

Just a few points to think about and discuss.

1) If god made everything, than who made god?

2) All things will eventually come to an end so how do you expect even in the after life to "BE" for all of eternity for ever and ever.

3) If you believe in after life for humans, what about other living things... from cats and dogs to bacteria?

Well those are just a few thoughts that i had and thought i would share.

QFT

Wouldnt it be nice to imagine that when you die you will suddenly end up in a place that is absolutely perfect, something that not even dreams could conjure up rather than visualizing your corpse devoid of life rotting in the ground. indeed it would. but thats where, logic comes in. in my personal opinion heaven is a place made up in the imaginations of people who are unwilling to accept death as the end of their time. they want to believe that their life was all for something, some master plan for an afterlife of eternal happiness. i dont believe this way at all. you die and all your flesh, fat, and muscle get recycled back into nature just like it was intended. the end.

Face it, theres no way to know without experiancing death first hand.

I do however have an interesting experiance to share, in a dream I was struck by lightning and died, after dieing I experianced a white singularity. It behaved like rotating ball-lightning and was constantly moving chaotically with peices flying in and out.

What it means is up to you. Although curius as to what it means, I doubt anyone's interpretations will be independant of their own religous beliefs, and will therefor be fundamentally flawed.

As for what truely happens after death, simply put: Nobody knows.

Many people have speculated on the subject though and I encourage anyone interested to look into various great thinker's veiws of what happens after death.

It would be nice to know what happens, but we won't know till we die. I enjoy life and plan on living it to it's fullest, no matter what happens after someone dies.

"I'm the one who's gonna die when it's time for me to die,

so let me live my life the way I want." -- Jimi Hendrix

I think there has to be something after death, be it an afterlife or reincarnation. Why? If I am thinking now, then I must be thinking forever. If there really was a void my thoughts would stop with everyone elses and noone would be self aware.

You die, you rot, end.

You'll get dug back up at some point by someone though so its not all bad!

My personal belief on what will happen to me when I die based on previous NDE's: I imagine that, at first, I will be very confused and wonder why it's so difficult to navigate and perhaps wonder where I am. Then when I realize that I don't have a body anymore, I'll realize I'm dead and then I will begin to look for a light. From all my experiences (not that it's been all too extensive, but...) there was no particular light. I looked for one and there was the sun in the middle of the night, though it wasn't a "light". It looked more like a painting. So... I imagine there will be no light and that I will suddenly remember that I am a spirit that transcends time. I will remember that I have been around for billions of years and will be so for billions more and then the life I left will seem so insignificant that I'll be happy to return to the whole and to return to being of all things and time at once and that I will be very happy to think of meeting any of my kindred spirits in the future. After which I imagine I'll just continue to be Zen until something else comes along.

And to address your questions:

1. You're assuming I believe that god made everything. But, okay, let's assume that god did make everything. Who made god? Himself. Does that not work for your logical scientific mind? Doesn't matter. If you're thinking in those terms god created science and he created the laws of nature, he doesn't live by them. He didn't have to be created.

2. All things in the tangible world of the 4th dimension come to an end of what they are. But, nothing ever comes to an end. No matter is ever lost, it only changes. Certainly a spirit (assuming there is spirit) that isn't subject to the confines of this dimension and to time and physicalities could be for any ammount of "time". Especially considering that sort of thing would have no bearing on it.

3. I believe in Romeo and Juliette. Perhaps they existed, perhaps they didn't. But, enough people have heard they're story and believe in them that it makes them true. I believe in the power of the mind and that we are capable of actually making things true, that we are capable of making the negative positive. I believe in true alchemy. And I believe that the spirit is subject to just this sort of thing. If you have a dog that you love very much and that you truly believe has a spirit that will live on, it will. Of course, not all dogs are lucky enough to have that let alone bacteria. Not even a lot of people are lucky enough to have that.

Cheers,

Lost

Those near death experiences are just hallucinations caused by the high release of this psychedelic chemical in your brain.

When you die there is nothing.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Those near death experiences are just hallucinations caused by the high release of this psychedelic chemical in your brain.

When you die there is nothing.

It can't be proven that they're hallucinations and anyways the question wasn't "What happens when you die?" the question was "What do you think happens when you die?". So I believe I answered it correctly. Certainly I wasn't speaking for you - I was only speaking for me. I couldn't imagine what will happen to you. I can barely imagine what might happen to me.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by dirty1thong1puller1am1i:

I think that being dead is just like being in the time before you were born. You have NO idea whatsoever, the only people it affects are those around you.

Just a few points to think about and discuss.

1) If god made everything, than who made god?

2) All things will eventually come to an end so how do you expect even in the after life to "BE" for all of eternity for ever and ever.

3) If you believe in after life for humans, what about other living things... from cats and dogs to bacteria?

Well those are just a few thoughts that i had and thought i would share.

Christianity (sects and variants): When you die you go to heaven if you believed in Jesus as your lord and savior who died for your sins or you go to hell which is being apart from God. Some Christians tend to remove Judgement day from mention but that is often part of the process which decides who goes where, also hell has been mentioned as being apart from God by many modern Christians but used to be a fiery pit of torture and torment for sinners and those who denied the sacrifice of Jesus.

Judaism: Originally had a ressurection and Judgement day which was later removed and many came to believe in an underworld in which the spirit goes to, this was based on the Greek idea of Hades and was picked up during a time in which Judaism intermingled with Hellenistic thought as prior to this Jews did not believe in a spirit form really but that death was like sleep. Other ideas including that of a heaven type place for the good have also occured in Judaism and are sometimes accepted but a fiery pit is not mentioned, death being the ultimate consequence for the sinner.

Islam: Death is like sleep, you are ressurected on Judgement day and shown everything to which you testify. There is Paradise for those who did good, there is literal hell for those who did bad, a place of extremes including fire where ones skin is burnt off repeatedly and replaced with new skin, it is also a metaphor as to reflect how bad deeds are like a person burning themselves constantly.

Buddhism: There is reincarnation but some sects of Buddhism include hells in which an evil doer is punished and tormented. Nirvana is the ultimate achievement for a Buddhist, this is transcending everything interpreted by some as ceasing to be. Some believe people can return from Nirvana but I don't really believe that.

Hinduism: There is Reincarnation but also heaven type places and hell type places a person can go to for punishment. This also occurs in Chinese thought.

I agree that being dead is like being in the time before you were born but that for the dead person it feels only like dreamless sleep. I do believe a person does wake up though.

1. God isn't some being or thing or creature that is made, but rather God is all that exists, ever existed, and will ever exist, there is nothing but God, within God is everything, there was no beginning and there will be no end, with God came absolutely everything including this Reality and Universe which has been expanding and collapsing over and over since forever, there was no ultimate starting point, time is a concept within this reality and this universe and this Earth. God was not created because God is not a being within Reality, but Reality is made of God, existing within God, just a part of God as are things we don't know such as other realities possibilities and universes. There is nothing outside of God, God is all there is infinite and all encompassing, there is just God essentially, all is one, we're just parts within the whole.

2. All things will end as they have always ended, and all things will begin as they always have begun. But Truly God never begins and never ends.

3. I think that animals have it too and that we are just another kind of animal, though perhaps the least humble.

Well, i have thought about this too. I thought about the possibility that when i die there will be nothing. like sitting in a dark room, with no sound, and no feeling. i wouldn't mind that for an eternity, you could say it is an afterlife. that truely doesn't make sense to me though. what does make sense to me is a transfer of conciousness(reincarnation). For some reason closing my eyes here and then opening them somewhere else makes sense to me.

You're not your body you just borrow it for a little while. When you die, if you have the right level of conscience, you will move on to a reality based on the conscience. If not, you will get put into another body to try again, and your left over karama detemines the hardships you'll face in your new path.



1) God is many things, and people have been using one word too long. Its everything, ll knowledge, all energy, all consciece; that it the highest point anything can reach, its the supreame existance. Then there are smaller things, like groupings of conscience; the god of humanity, which is a collection of all human conscience. And of course primitive interpitations of aliens/time travelers/reality jumpers could be gods. And they would all get lumped together in the same stories, eventually becoming a religion.

2)Everything is part of a cycle

3)Cats and Dogs conscience is instantly recycled, unless they can somehow raise their conscience to our level of awarness, and then to the one past our required for the next step...and i doubt an individual animal could. It would take years of evolution and correct conditioning, jsut like it did for us. And bacterium is an even more single-pointed conscience then animals.

You, as are we, are animal blessed with singular consciousness. You can learn, speak, sit, eat, chew, swallow, love, teach, and do thousands and thousands of innumerable tasks that animals cannot even ponder of. You have the physiological ability to heal faster or slower just by projecting your faith and asking yourself to heal.

God is just a way of personifying that singular consciousness within each and every one of us.

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Let's just live, learn and have fun. We'll see when we get there.

first of all, no one made God. God just is. It's a really abstract principle. God is the alpha and omega of all things, there was nothing before him. Secondly, eternity doesn't end. Eternity is forever and when the world ends, the afterlife will stay. As for the afterlife for other living things besides humans, no one really knows that. But I believe God cares for everything he has made. If he takes care of his children, he'll take care of the animals and such as well.

I dont no about heaven and hell and souls.What i think is that if i can live in one form of life then there might be a chance that i will live in a nother form that i have no conprension of at the moment.

you get naked, shit yourself, and TRIP THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!

abrahim you really do need to stop answering for everyone else lol just because you read about a religion does not mean you KNOW a religion. Jews, Hindus and many others could give you much more insight then what you rattle off from what you have read. Though it may not be the true God they still have views and I think that they should be able to voice them without someone saying it for them. As for me, I think that all souls are immortal and that they do indeed go to one of two places after death. Though I would like to say something about hell. Hell is actually a grace of God. Now before you jump on that let me explain. I am not saying that God made hell or that he wants it or even agree with it but allows it because he will never drag people kicking and screaming into heaven, but if they do not want heaven then they must go somewhere else. Hell is the dwelling of evil. But remember that evil has no end. Luckily God made it static so that those who do go to hell, although they experience that eternal death, it will not keep getting worse and worse, which is what evil itself would do, for it keeps reproducing new ways of torture and whatever else could belong to evil. Therefore it was by Gods mercy that He made Hell and did not let people simply fall into eternal evil which would keep getting worse and worse eternally.

I don't believe in a literal interpretation of heaven, but.

If I'm happy in that last moment.

The last tetering moment between my life and my death, won't, from my perspective, that moment last forever?

Isn't that what heaven is?

So, in preperation for that moment I have to love life, love people, try and make everyone else's stay on this earth a little more comfortable. So when I'm on my deathbed I can think, yep, this aint so bad at all.

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

abrahim you really do need to stop answering for everyone else lol just because you read about a religion does not mean you KNOW a religion. Jews, Hindus and many others could give you much more insight then what you rattle off from what you have read. Though it may not be the true God they still have views and I think that they should be able to voice them without someone saying it for them. As for me, I think that all souls are immortal and that they do indeed go to one of two places after death. Though I would like to say something about hell. Hell is actually a grace of God. Now before you jump on that let me explain. I am not saying that God made hell or that he wants it or even agree with it but allows it because he will never drag people kicking and screaming into heaven, but if they do not want heaven then they must go somewhere else. Hell is the dwelling of evil. But remember that evil has no end. Luckily God made it static so that those who do go to hell, although they experience that eternal death, it will not keep getting worse and worse, which is what evil itself would do, for it keeps reproducing new ways of torture and whatever else could belong to evil. Therefore it was by Gods mercy that He made Hell and did not let people simply fall into eternal evil which would keep getting worse and worse eternally.

Or God could've just not made evil or hell or the possibility of people to do evil and thus be punished in hell. Then you might say we wouldn't have free will, but couldn't we have free-will and all good options instead of bad ones? Couldn't we have several thousand rights and no wrongs?

But God created evil and good, and the system in which evil gets reflected back on the evil doer and good gets reflected back on the do gooder, and there we have hell and heaven, according to many religions.

Some Christians claim Hell is being away from God, but there is no place that exists or can exist outside of God or without God, and you can not "be" anything without God, so that's simply not true.

Some Christians claim Hell is a grace of God but no, I believe Hell is a place where all the negativity you sent forth comes back on you, a place where you burn for how you burned yourself and others in life by doing wrong or destructive, hurtful things.

Some Christians believe that Hell is a place full of fire but that they will be saved for claiming God, the Singular, All Encompassing, All Mighty has a son who forgave them their sins by default for dying on a cross. I wonder how they will feel if they find they are absolutely wrong and that no man can die for another's sin, no man can carry another's burden, God has no Son but is one singular whom they had to ask forgiveness from directly without lying and appointing idols and children to God. Can they not understand this truth or will they die in error manifest? Let's hope not...Otherwise all I can say is, BURN IN THE FIYAAAAAAAAA!

i've read and reviewed many religions and philophies as well as scientific knowledge and this is the answer i've come up with:

when you die.......................

(drumroll)

you cease to exist

if that thought scares you look at this way - no more pain

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

abrahim you really do need to stop answering for everyone else lol just because you read about a religion does not mean you KNOW a religion. Jews, Hindus and many others could give you much more insight then what you rattle off from what you have read. Though it may not be the true God they still have views and I think that they should be able to voice them without someone saying it for them. As for me, I think that all souls are immortal and that they do indeed go to one of two places after death. Though I would like to say something about hell. Hell is actually a grace of God. Now before you jump on that let me explain. I am not saying that God made hell or that he wants it or even agree with it but allows it because he will never drag people kicking and screaming into heaven, but if they do not want heaven then they must go somewhere else. Hell is the dwelling of evil. But remember that evil has no end. Luckily God made it static so that those who do go to hell, although they experience that eternal death, it will not keep getting worse and worse, which is what evil itself would do, for it keeps reproducing new ways of torture and whatever else could belong to evil. Therefore it was by Gods mercy that He made Hell and did not let people simply fall into eternal evil which would keep getting worse and worse eternally.

Who do you think is going to hell:

1. A man who claims that God has a son and no amount of Good deeds can save him but that he must believe that the Son of God, who is God as a Man on Earth died and took on the sins and responsibilities of everyone on Earth past present and future (only those who believe in him as the savior). This man says God is One but also has 3 parts, he is a Father of the Son who is him, and the Holy Ghost, instead of stating that God is one and all prayers should be directed to the one singular God, not men who died.

2. A man who believes God is one, does no idol worship, believes in judgement day and the afterlife, spends his life doing good and believes good deeds actually count towards a person in the afterlife and bad deeds count against them in the afterlife and claims that God the All Encompassing One is far beyond having Sons and is not a Man nor a Triune but One God All Powerful.

Do you think God will throw the second man in hell for denying Jesus was the son of the all powerful (as it is idol worship) and doing good? Or will God the One, all powerful, throw the lying blasphemer who promotes false inventions about God having children and a son and being 3 in one into the fire for enjoining the wrong.

Well luckilly God will be the one to decide, but what do you think?

When we die. This happens ->

Nothing. We are organisms who have evolved to have consciousness, and this consciousness is created by complex activity of neuron and axons etc. in the brain. When the brain 'dies', that is when these neurons cease to fire (because the chemicals that keep them functioning (oxygen, glucose etc.) aren't present), our consciousness stops. And that is the end.

The proof that our consciousness remains wholly within the brain is found when we take psychotropic drugs. Our consciousness is changed because the drug acts on a chemical level to effect the way our brain creates our consciousness. If consciousness resided in a soul or any non-biological system, then physical chemicals would not alter it.

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Just a thought, why is DMT released to begin with during near death experiences? Does it serve a significant biological function in keeping an organism alive? It's produced for a reason and it's not basic survival. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has wondered. It is also known that DMT is brought into the brain, just like nutrients, rather than just passing through the blood brain barrier, and it is also known that most people will not develop a tolerance to DMT ever, even after constant dosing as soon as a trip ends.

The way the body treats DMT is very interesting and shouldn't be dismissed so easily considering the body goes out of it's way to get DMT into the brain from the bloodstream.

quote:Originally posted by Aft3r ImaGe:

Just a thought, why is DMT released to begin with during near death experiences? Does it serve a significant biological function in keeping an organism alive? It's produced for a reason and it's not basic survival. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has wondered. It is also known that DMT is brought into the brain, just like nutrients, rather than just passing through the blood brain barrier, and it is also known that most people will not develop a tolerance to DMT ever, even after constant dosing as soon as a trip ends.

The way the body treats DMT is very interesting and shouldn't be dismissed so easily considering the body goes out of it's way to get DMT into the brain from the bloodstream.

Prehaps 'drugs' are just more then people think they are.

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

Prehaps 'drugs' are just more then people think they are.

It's not a typical "drug" in the sense it is created by, and literally sought after by, the brain. I don't think we can group all chemicals into this category.

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Well. It's really your opinion but think about it.How come we do not yet know what we are made of? What our purpose?How can we have evolved in the smae chain as apes?

Scientists have found that atoms are made up of protons, nuetrons and electrons.Those are made up of quarks (or something like that). Think about it. What are quarks made up of?We don't have all the answers*Shrugs* And not everything ends..otherwise we wouldn't have the words "infinity" or "eternity"

quote:Originally posted by Phaint:

Well. It's really your opinion but think about it.How come we do not yet know what we are made of? What our purpose?How can we have evolved in the smae chain as apes?

Scientists have found that atoms are made up of protons, nuetrons and electrons.Those are made up of quarks (or something like that). Think about it. What are quarks made up of?We don't have all the answers*Shrugs* And not everything ends..otherwise we wouldn't have the words "infinity" or "eternity"

We have found atoms made of other things as well, not just protons, nuetrons, and electrons, and there are good theories as to what quarks are made of, also things do start and end, all things are not required to last forever beyond conservation of mass and energy.

But like I said earlier, theres no way to know what happens after death without being dead, and maintaining concousness enough to know your dead, which we don't know is possible.

If we're all going to die, why do you care what faith any man practices?

Even if he believes he should kill every one to attain nirvana, what does it matter? Weren't you going to die anyways?

King Cotton, this is the only life we have, so we should have science help as live as long as possible, and be able to be alive happily in peace to enjoy our one and only life, don't you think?

I can see where you are coming from, but this is our only life, don't you think we should have a right, even if manmade, that allows us to live as long as possible and as safelt as possible to enjoy ourselves freely? If so, then you agree it is wrong with a man blowing others up. He can blow himself up, just not others.

Death wouldn't be as much fun if i already knew what was going to happen.

Life is an adventure, and so is your death http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

there is no god. when i die, my body will rot and bugs will crawl around in my skull. as for my existance or 'soul,' it'll just go away, never to be seen or heard from again.

quote:Originally posted by dirty1thong1puller1am1i:

What makes a person, and what gives them life? well it is only chemicals and electrical impulses in the brain. We are made up of the same atoms as everything else and the thing that makes each individual different is the connections and networks in the brain. When one dies the brain shuts down and that is it. All we are is electrical impulses and such that comes from that one organ, the brain. it is everything that gives us life, and perception of reality and makes us function as human beings. All other bodily organs serve to keep the brain functioning and us alive. People think that there is an after life and people have spirits and souls that move on, but the spirit and soul is nothing more than the neurons working in the brain. Once the brain is off, how can there be anything more?

Answer me this, since I'm not well educated in biology, but...where and how did the electrical impulses that give 'life' to the brain originate...and...what actually makes it stop?

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

King Cotton, this is the only life we have, so we should have science help as live as long as possible, and be able to be alive happily in peace to enjoy our one and only life, don't you think?

I can see where you are coming from, but this is our only life, don't you think we should have a right, even if manmade, that allows us to live as long as possible and as safelt as possible to enjoy ourselves freely? If so, then you agree it is wrong with a man blowing others up. He can blow himself up, just not others.

I meant that to be satirical, I might've taken it a bit too far.

What I meant was, if a man practices his religion, so long as his religion doesn't interfere with others, there's no harm in that. When his religion starts to interfere with his politics, especially if he holds high office, then I agree, something should be done.

i think i read somewhere in here from a post something along the lines of "if we are born from nothing, when we die and become nothing, what is to say we can't be born again" (or something like that) i just thought that was a really good point.

after that i will live again and again and again, and again. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) and agian. yup still live, yeah this is fun .... whats the point of life. fuck life i want to die. I love life. ....and live and die and live and die and live and die. ................ .............. ....... ..... ............. ......... ............... ........................................ wow what is the point... ............ ........ ............. ........

quote:Originally posted by insanitarium:

I think there has to be something after death, be it an afterlife or reincarnation. Why? If I am thinking now, then I must be thinking forever. If there really was a void my thoughts would stop with everyone elses and noone would be self aware.

That doesn't make any sense. Your future state doesn't effect your present one. Your thoughts will stop when you die, not now.

quote:Originally posted by dirty1thong1puller1am1i:

i think i read somewhere in here from a post something along the lines of "if we are born from nothing, when we die and become nothing, what is to say we can't be born again" (or something like that) i just thought that was a really good point.

I think it's weak.

How could one know if we become nothing when we die?

How could one be born from nothing?

I have yet to see a human being spontaneously appear.

So, I think that's weak.

How can one even know the nature of perception before birth, and whether or not is analogous to death?

It's a void point that has does not logically support either theism or "the afterlife", or lack of belief thereof.