I was recently locked up for commiting some P.V.'s and some other charges and I was arrested with a warrant. Anyways, while I was locked up I made a promise to god if he gave me another chance with probation and to show I can change, I won't smoke weed until I get off probation. I know it sounds like a dumb promise, but I thought I was about to do a grip. But I only spent a week in JDC until I went to court and every night I prayed to god with the same promise that I wont smoke until I get off probation and I prayed for another chance and I told him i'll accept what ever he does when I go to court. well I go to court with the idea I'm gonna get detained. But I actually got out and It seemed like my prayer came true cause I actually got off easy. My P.O could have slammed me with mad charges when I got the warrant. But I think she is either giving me another chance until I go back to court again, or shes wanting me to mess up again before I go back to court. Anyways, DO YOU guys think I should keep to my promise to god about not smokin til i get off probation, or should I just smoke? I know half of the shit I just wrote you guys dont give a shit about, but I just wanted to get it off of my head. thanks.

If you make a promise to anyone or anything, you should keep it. If you aren't able to keep a promise, don't make it.

Jx

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

If you make a promise to anyone or anything, you should keep it. If you aren't able to keep a promise, don't make it.

Jx

And what's more important is that you don't do anything to get yourself in trouble again. So, this should be less about a promise with god and more about a promise with yourself and your PO.

Cheers,

Lost

i agree with lost cause

Bump

even though I don't believe in God, keep your promise to yourself.

Either way, God knew what you would end up doing (keeping or breaking your promise) long before you chose.

Meaning, whether you choose to keep your promise to God or not doesn't really matter. He will not be disappointed or surprised. It's a perk of being omniscient.

If you don't intend to keep your promises, don't bother making them.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Either way, God knew what you would end up doing (keeping or breaking your promise) long before you chose.

Meaning, whether you choose to keep your promise to God or not doesn't really matter. He will not be disappointed or surprised. It's a perk of being omniscient.

If you don't intend to keep your promises, don't bother making them.

Oh, so we don't have freewill then? Because if God knows that, he also knows we're going to hell and it's set in stone, we were doomed to hell from the start. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

And don't say 'he only knows all the options you can take' because that's belittleing your God; he'd also know which one of the options you'd choose since he knows everything.

Keep your promise.

"while I was locked up I made a promise to god if he gave me another chance with probation and to show I can change, I won't smoke weed until I get off probation"

what in the world makes you think god has something against weed?

quote:Originally posted by dsk1231:

"while I was locked up I made a promise to god if he gave me another chance with probation and to show I can change, I won't smoke weed until I get off probation"

what in the world makes you think god has something against weed?

He could've said Chewing Gum too, its about the promise.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Oh, so we don't have freewill then? Because if God knows that, he also knows we're going to hell and it's set in stone, we were doomed to hell from the start. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

God knowing doesn't negate our freewill. Don't argue about things that are beyond your comprehension level.

He knows what we will choose, no matter what we choose, at all times. He knew before we were even created. It's called omniscience. That doesn't mean He controls our actions.

This is not an original argument. It has been had on this forum numerous times.

quote:And don't say 'he only knows all the options you can take' because that's belittleing your God; he'd also know which one of the options you'd choose since he knows everything.

I would never say such a preposterous thing. Only an ignorant, prepubescent mind would attribute such a humanistic characteristic to God.

God knows ALL things, period. That in no way affects our ability to choose what we do with our lives.

quote:Originally posted by dsk1231:

"while I was locked up I made a promise to god if he gave me another chance with probation and to show I can change, I won't smoke weed until I get off probation"

what in the world makes you think god has something against weed?

What in the world makes anyone think that such insignificant promises mean anything to God ? As if He would really get this kids ass out of a sling, just so he wouldn't have to endure punishment for his crimes.

In fact, that's completely against God's nature. Not only would He not bind Himself to petty covenants like this, but He wouldn't support lawlessness. He is law, He is order, He is judgment.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

He knows what we will choose, no matter what we choose, at all times. He knew before we were even created. It's called omniscience. That doesn't mean He controls our actions.

This is not an original argument. It has been had on this forum numerous times.

Yes, the arguement has been had numerous times and in all of the occasions where the argument has been made, no theist has ever resolved the problem without breaking logic.

If god knows what we will choose A, then we lack a free will to ultimately choose B. We, therefore, lack a free will.



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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What in the world makes anyone think that such insignificant promises mean anything to God ? As if He would really get this kids ass out of a sling, just so he wouldn't have to endure punishment for his crimes.

In fact, that's completely against God's nature. Not only would He not bind Himself to petty covenants like this, but He wouldn't support lawlessness. He is law, He is order, He is judgment.

But the principle of making and keeping a promise is what is important here. If not for the sake of God, for the sake of his own integrity.

Personally I doubt that this promise/prayer was answered as such, or even whether if a "God" exists they would be open to that kind of bargaining. Especially given the circumstances.

However, it's the principle of keeping the promise that's important.

Jx

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I would never say such a preposterous thing. Only an ignorant, prepubescent mind would attribute such a humanistic characteristic to God.

God knows ALL things, period. That in no way affects our ability to choose what we do with our lives.

One has to be very stupid indeed to be so condescending and arrogant about something they are wrong on. Let's not even talk about the hypocrisy of "humanistic characteristics", when the old testament is full of them. Humility isn't one of your virtues apparently...

quote:God knowing doesn't negate our freewill. Don't argue about things that are beyond your comprehension level.

If God knows everything, he knows everything we'll do in hindsight, therefore it is set in stone and we have no free will. That is logic, please prove it wrong.

Just because he doesn't control what we do doesn't mean we automatically do. Go read up on determinism, fool.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I would never say such a preposterous thing. Only an ignorant, prepubescent mind would attribute such a humanistic characteristic to God.



That's why it makes sense that God came to Earth as a Man who died for your sins and that God has 3 distinct personalities or parts The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

Right? No?

God is far beyond the things you attribute and claim. God is not the Father of anyone, God is not he Son of anyone. Your father doesn't create you, only God creates, that is why God is God, the Creator, not your daddy. God is the All Encompassing All Powerful, not a man or in the image of man nor appearing in the singular form of a man on Earth nor having a Begotten son, nor can any man bear the burden of another.

I think your heart must understand these simple things yet you ignore them to hold on to a religion of blasphemy.

God is not in the Image of Man all Images are within God.

God is not anyones Father, but Everyone's Creator.

God is not anyones Son, but Every Son is the Creation of God the Creator.

God does not have 3 personalities or parts, God is One, Infinite, United, Undivided, Singular, All Encompassing, numbering it 3 is false, the number is One, Infinite. No number can be appointed to the infinite aspects within God.

No man no matter how good can bear the burdens of another, but it is up to you to personally ask the One True God for forgiveness and do good and right, avoiding evil and wrong.

No man or creation of God, within God, IS God. God is the all encompassing. Jesus was the Messenger of God who worshipped God, not himself.

Instead of making fun of people and insulting their intelligence why don't you take an introspective look at the blasphemy you promote and stop, in the name of God, and start a new life of being nice and good, and doing right, saying right.