Share who your higher power is and what your higher power is like. This includes gods of religions. If you share a god of a religion please describe what your god is like to you.

My God is the creator of everything who is Loveing, Caring, and Forgiving.





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My God is God, Allah, The Brahman, Ahura Mazda.

There is no being in the image of man nor any being that created every thing. There is no Diety or God save one, One so obvious that it remains a mystery to most.

People look for a God in the sky, in the Earth, some kind of Image to place faith in, an idea. Yet every single day they meet the only True God, and they deem themselves self sufficient of it, yet they are completely dependant on it.

They want some God that is within the universe that floats around on a magical cloud and controls the universe with a chessboard. They can find that in their minds. Yet that is not The True God I speak of. Any of you can guess what this True God is, the Only God, one that completely has you under its controls through its limitations on you. You can not even think a single thought unless that thought is an available option to you, or do anything without it. You live with it, sleep with it, and interact with it in waking and in sleep. What is it?

God is not some man in the sky, nor will ever be, nor will any thing you can see that you do not already see be your God.

Your God is one God, what we are all made of, exist within, and are completely dependant on.

God is Reality. The Ultimate Reality. The Reality we exist within, interact with, are made of, where all possible perceptions of all possible things can occur, if the option for the thought is not available, you can't think it. The System is smooth, flawless, perfect, without Glitches.

People question the "control" of God without seeing how in fact they are completely limited and dependant on Reality. They look for something within Reality, when Reality itself is The Only God.

I don't only mean objective physical reality, I mean the subjective reality too, what we can think, a superimposed hallucinatory image, what matter is it made of? The actual image is not made of any matter, yet it is still an option within this Reality, or else you wouldn't be able to think it.

God is The Reality, there is no God but this. People say they will believe when they see some large being come down from the sky? Yet any large being that may come down from the sky is within reality, made of reality, limited by reality, thus Reality remains the True and Ultimate God.

The Ultimate Reality is where we exist, where this universe is, essentially it is the only thing, that ever was or will be.

Nothing does not exist, what I mean to say as, True, Absolute Nothing, does not exist, as something (this) can not come from Nothing. Nothing always remains as Nothing, it has no capability to manifest.

On the other hand, Ultimate Reality has always existed, there is nothing beyond it, it is all there is and ever was, it is the manifestor of all possibilities, all realities, including this one.

It is "alive" if it were dead, inactive, then so too would we be non active, incapable, non existant, All things are in motion constantly.

God is The Reality, all things are part of the Reality, made up of the Reality, dependant on the Reality. You can call it anything, from God, Allah, The Tao, The Force, The Brahman, its one thing, all of the above were words to describe it but some ended up humanizing it. It is not a human, it has no form, it is infinite, it has no limits, it is the only power, the ultimate power.

Why would one deny evolution and the processes of this universe? They are made manifest and clear. But to deny Reality would be the mistake, and Reality is the only God, the Ultimate God. The sustainer of Worlds, the Supreme "King", The Provider of all things.

Prove to me Reality does not exist? You can't without blatant denial of yourself and all that is within and without you. Reality is God, the Only God. We are all within it, and Nothing is without it.

Originally posted by truckfixr:

I can agree with you up to a point. Reality exists. Beyond that, you are stretching things a bit.

Reality is not a sentient being, thus it honestly cannot qualify as being a God. You're calling it so is based on your opinion/belief. Not on emperical evidence.

I'm not saying it is sentient in the way we are sentient:

Here is the definition from www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

sen·tient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snshnt, -sh-nt)

adj.

Having sense perception; conscious: “The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage” (T.E. Lawrence).

Experiencing sensation or feeling.

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Everything is made of Reality, including our feelings, and our ability to be sentient. Everything is within Reality, everything is in constant motion. Reality is not "dead" or else that would mean it would be nothing and not exist at all, nor would any thing manifest, exist, or manipulate, or even have a plain on which to exist, nor would or could anything manifest, appear or even move.

Reality is "Alive"

a·live ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lv)

adj.

Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.

In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.

Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.

Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.

Main Entry: alive

Pronunciation: &-'lIv

Function: adjective

: having life : not dead or inanimate

Clearly Reality is Animate, we and everything is proof of this.

Ultimate Reality is "Aware" of all things existing within it, the proof of this is in the manifestation of all the available possibilities for us and our ability to execute them, furthermore our personal Awareness being proof of "Reality posessing Awareness". Besides all that, if Reality were not "Aware" those things it is "Unaware" of would not exist.

Aware

adj 1: (sometimes followed by `of') having or showing realization

We and everything around us are the Realization of Reality.

re·al·i·za·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-zshn)

n.

The act of realizing or the condition of being realized.

The result of realizing.

Manifestation:

man·i·fes·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-f-stshn)

n.

The act of manifesting.

The state of being manifested.

An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.

man·i·fes·ta·tion (mn-f-stshn)

n.

An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something...

Main Entry: man·i·fes·ta·tion

Pronunciation: "man-&-f&-'stA-sh&n, -"fes-

Function: noun

: a perceptible, outward, or visible expression

There is your "Creation" The Manifestation of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, which is the Manifestor. To call it the "Manifestor" is not innacurate as clearly, we are manifest and here to prove it.

The funny thing is "We are witnesses unto ourselves" what I mean to say is "we are the proof against ourselves" So is everything else!

So to Recap, We and All that is, ever will be, ever was, ever can or will be, in this or any other reality, belongs within Ultimate Reality. Ultimate Reality is what we are "Manifest" within. There is no Diety or God greater or mightier than this, and it is not a humanoid or anything of the sort, nor does it operate or think like us, it is infinite, the proof of its life is in the movement of all things, the proof of its awareness is in our being manifest. If it did not "know" we would be "dead" or inactive in it. know ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n)

v. knew, (n, ny) known, (nn) know·ing, knows

v. tr.

To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.

To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.

To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.

dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dd)

adj. dead·er, dead·est

No longer in existence, use, or operation.

We are the proof amazingly, yet we look everywhere for something that doesn't exist, when "God" is right infront of us, we are operating through it. We are sufficient proof of it. The Ultimate Reality, we are within it, it is without us, self sufficient, be it that we exist or not, it is ever living, before and after. Call it what satisfies you, it is one undeniable thing, to deny it is to Deny the Truth, Yourselves, The Reality which you exist within.

ex·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zst)

intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists

To have actual being; be real.

It is one God that has appeared throughout history, constantly mutated by the minds of men which belong to it completely, for their form to the possible thoughts they can possibly think. Even the most ancient hunter gatherer societies have this most ancient concept ingrained into their personal religions, even so, athiests deny it due to their definitions of God which they base of the corruptions of humans. God is and has always been "The Ultimate Reality" Never has "God" been a man in the sky, some being with a form, or anything possible within Ultimate Reality because it, itself is Ultimate Reality and all things are within it, not without it.

Its been called many things, though it is one thing, and so too are we, who all belong in it and exist only within it and because of it, are one with it, yet we deem ourselves self sufficient, we are completely dependant. We are under its controls by its limitations. It is beneficent in its gamut of options which it has bestowed us, to do what we wish, and all things having their cause and effect.

People claim that this world is IMPERFECT, do they see glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly dissapear forever with no explanation right before your eyes? The System is Perfect, This Reality is Perfect, Ultimate Reality is Perfect, if it is incapable of one thing it is Imperfection, as Imperfection is Nothing, it can not manifest.

All Religions are an attempt to explain this truth in a way people can understand. Many get close. Christianity tries in its own way but its humanizations mislead.

The first beliefs understood this, it was understood all was a part of Reality, then each part, to explain the phenomena was accounted a spirit of action, originally accepted as part of the One, but later misrepresented through alagory and explanation as its own part, and all beliefs have this core, as does human existence, since it is undeniable.

Each Religion from the most ancient to the new says it in their own Way and tries to make the message clear. It is one Message. There is only One Religion.

The only dispute and matter of "Faith" should be in an afterlife or ressurection.

But even so, that concept is there, once again reflecting ultimate Truth, that to everything there is a Cycle, even so to this universe, it expands and will collapse and restart. The Night and the Day and the Night and the Day. The land grows dry and dead and then rains bring out the life again. A million metaphors to represent the ultimate cycles within Reality.

Please read the above post if you havent!

Reality is obviously not aware in the way we are but Reality is aware, the fact that we exist being that awareness manifest. If not we would not exist, but true that to us sounds humanization, but I don't mean it that way AT ALL.

en·ti·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-t)

n. pl. en·ti·ties

Something that exists as a particular and discrete unit: Persons and corporations are equivalent entities under the law.

The fact of existence; being.

The existence of something considered apart from its properties.

If anything, in that case, Reality would be the only Entity, what we all exist within, what only exists, what we are all made of. That would only be according to definition 2 of the word. In any case, everything is within and part of one thing, and that is Reality, it is infinite, essentially it is all there is.

in·fi·nite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nf-nt)

adj.

Having no boundaries or limits.

Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.

Mathematics.

Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.

Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.

Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.

I thought it was relevant since the word Manifestation was used, Creationists can simply say that the Bible uses metaphor to teach in the case of the story of our creation. Then they can take science as the fact, the story as the metaphor representing the science. I don't know why they would defend something untrue when they can just as easy take it as metaphor.

I'd LOVE to talk to you on an IM program! Which one do you use? I am MSN, AIM, and Yahoo. Which do you use? How can I add you?

Yeah I didn't understand what the phycedelics was reffering to:

did you mean:

psy·che·del·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk)

adj.

Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.

Hope to see you soon on one of the IM's I'll add you, or you could add me at abrahimesker@hotmail.com , abrahimesker , or abrahim_esker@yahoo.com

Originally posted by truckfixr:

We are aware. Reality is not.

Consider this. If all life in the universe were to cease to exist, any and all awareness would also cease to exist. Reality would remain. There would simply be no one to observe.

If we are Aware, Reality "posesses" Awareness. If it did not, we would not be Aware. Its language trickery maybe, but its literal too.

You are right about the second part, Reality would remain.

Most of what happened yesterday is unknown and unremembered, unverifiable, unproveable.

Were we created?

Were we manifested?

Were we molded by evolution?

Why can't people understand whatever the case, they are all the same, and the proof is that we are here.

We are manifestations, manifested within Reality and this Universe, and molded/created by evolution, a process which was originally manifested as a possibility within Reality and this Universe. The argument goes into semantics, language, and philosophy. There is only One God worthy of Worship, Understanding, Submission. There is no Being within this Universe or outside it worthy of worship save the one thing.

The one thing has been described in a billion ways over history by different people, and it is always an attempt to explain the one thing which EVERYONE knows willingly or unwillingly. There is no Elephant, Bearded man, Spirit Being, or any other explanation of the One thing.

The One Thing is not seperate from anything, or any of us, we are within it, a part of it, manifested by it, within it, and are completely dependant on it.

Some call it "What is Real" some give it other images and forms, thus limiting it in peoples minds and ruining the original concept.

Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, they all talk about the one thing and describe it in various fashions. Even Zoroastrianism, even Athiests can't deny the One Thing, they all call it by different names, it has no name save a name we give it.

Even the oldest religions, the most ancient hunter gatherer beliefs try to describe this one thing and mention it in their various fashions.

I call it "Reality" what encompasses all of us, objective, subjective.

Hindu's call it brahma (nominative singular), brahman (stem) (neuter[1] gender) means the concept of the Supreme transcendent and immanent Reality or the One Godhead or Cosmic Spirit in Hinduism; this is discussed below.

The Vedas depict Brahman as the Ultimate Reality, the Absolute or Universal Soul (Paramātman) [6]. It is the ultimate principle who is without a beginning, without an end, who is hidden in all and who is the cause, source, material and effect of all creation known, unknown and yet to happen in the entire universe.

Bhuddists include this belief as well as other religions that have sprung from Hinduism.

"Ishvara (ईश्वर in devanagari script, pronunciation /ī:sh vərə/), also variously transliterated (romanized) as Īshvara, Īshwara, Īshwar, Īśvara, etc. (Sanskrit: "the Supreme Lord, and hence the Cosmic Controller") is a Hindu philosophical concept of God meaning that entity or the Supreme Being which is the lord and the ruler of everything. It is also used in Buddhism to mean 'lord' or 'master', eg, Avalokiteshvara."

The same goes for "The Tao" in Taoism.

The same with "Allah" in Islam, it is a description of Ultimate Reality.

Everyone from the beginning of our attempts to explain things, have been attempting to explain one thing, which we exist within, interact with, are controlled by, has an infinite potential of aspects (manifestations) but is One, call it what you want, Reality, Tao, The Brahman, Allah, God. It is one thing, and it is One. Nothing is outside of Reality, it is infinite and all encompassing, the most powerful thing. No big man in the sky, beast, or alien creature is worthy of Worship, the most powerful thing is this Reality. It is one Religion, it has always been one Religion, people have tried to describe one thing over and over and people tend to misunderstand it over and over again: They seek what can only exist within their minds, and EVEN THAT is within the bounds of the One Reality, The Ultimate Reality.

"Pantheism (Greek: pan = all and Theos = God) literally means "God is All" and "All is God". It is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God

Debate

Some critics argue that pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "existence", "life" or "reality". Many pantheists reply that even if this is so, such a shift in the way we think about these ideas can serve to create both a new and a potentially far more insightful conception of both existence and God."

This forum is for religious debate, it has a name that is very cute: My God can beat the Shit out of Your God, while both are attempts to describe one singular thing.

The other point people can debate on is the afterlife, something which no one has proof or knowledge about or for, what we know is now, and we should use it to the best of our advantage.

Understand: New and Old, attempts have been repeatedly made to describe one thing, there is nothing else we know but Reality, it was what we live in and are made of and are completely dependant on.

The Qur'an says it, Hinduism says it at its core, and Taoism said it too.

It has no name so call it what you want, it is one thing and it is undeniable.

There is no Diety or God but the Reality we exist within. There is no man sitting in the sky waiting for you, there is no man who is God, there is One Ultimate Reality, all that is within it is a part of it equally.

You are all manifestations within Ultimate Reality, this is obvious because here we are, debating what is obvious.

Nothing can threaten the True Religion, and it is one, and nothing can destroy it either because it is True. You can attempt to deny the undeniable, but it is futile because even to deny it you utilize it to do so and are completely dependant. The best you can do for yourself is to humble yourself to it, submit to it, attempt to become one with it, at peace with it, do right: Islam, Taoism, Hinduism, Bhuddism all suggest the same thing. Judaism and Christianity also attempt to describe the path of becoming at peace with Reality.

Do what you know is right, and good for you, good for others, you know it, I know it, we may do it differently. What is wrong is bad for us and others, what is right is good for us, and good for others. Use common sense.

Being human and living in Reality is an automatic religion, you breath, you walk, you talk, you fight, you write, you laugh you cry, you argue about one thing with different names.

All Polytheistic Religions from the past were originally an attempt to describe what is known, and what is unknown. To describe Reality which is one, they gave it aspects, which became known as spirits or Gods, which controlled each aspect, but are all part of the "Creator" or "King" or the "Master" God which is Reality, and all were manifestations of it.

The One Truth, Reality exists, internal or external, we are all here and manifested by it, dependant on it completely.

Originally posted by Beta69:

Sure thing.

Creationist side: Evolution is false science because we have deemed it so based on how we read a couple chapters in an old religious text.

Evolutionist side: Evolution is most likely correct because mountains of tested and retested evidence based on tried and true methods says so.

QED

K thanks. I really appreciate it.

What would happen if Creationists say Evolution was Created?



I believe many people including athiests have an incorrect humanized idea of God, which makes it easy to simply discard because of its obvious absurdity. I do not believe God is some man or woman in the sky holding lightning bolts or controlling things somewhere in space with a chess board. I believe God is "Reality", everything is made of it, nothing exists without it, it is surrounding us, within us, everywhere. We are made of complex knowledge and mathematics that allow us to exist but essentially we are all parts of reality, you and I no better than a tree or a molecule of air, all part of the same thing! The way in which God controls everyone is just that! A leaf falling, nothing can happen without the possibility for it to happen to exist. We cant even think if the possibility of the thought didnt exist. To put it simply, everything is available to us, what isn't, we can't concieve of, what we can concieve of is already available as something we can possible concieve of. God, Reality, is what has always been there, not this planet or universe, but if there was ever a time of pure nothing, no possibilities, no numbers, no black, no white, no nothing, absolutely nothing would still be there, as nothing can produce only nothing. Something cant come from nothing. The source of all possibilities and realities, innumerable is The Ultimate Reality, God. God being in the image of nothing, but with the function of manifesting absolutely all possibilities and realities. We are the proof that there is no such thing as nothing, if there were nothing there would STILL be nothing. To say something came from nothing is as illogical as to say God is a man in the sky who has a kid who is him who was born a baby who shat and bled and died.

There is one God.

creative His personality

He is immortal and without form

He is without fear and enmity

Beyond birth and death



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God's the almighty.

'nuff said.

My potential is my higher power, I am a student of it, and the world I have created is my saviour.

I AM GOD. WORSHIP ME!!!

quote:Originally posted by Frost:

There is one God.

creative His personality

He is immortal and without form

He is without fear and enmity

Beyond birth and death



(Abahim who's gonna wanna read something so long, and to add ontop how its probably just copied and pasted! Please be mroe considerate)



Only for those willing to read!

I have 3 gods: Myself, Mother Earth and Chuck Norris.

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There is no god. The closest thing is William Shatner.

i worship the sun god Ra

quote:Originally posted by Albatross:

There is no god. The closest thing is William Shatner.

Yeah coz those all bran adverts he makes are so godly. Man I hate that putz.

What is this word, God.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

My God is God, Allah, The Brahman, Ahura Mazda.

There is no being in the image of man nor any being that created every thing. There is no Diety or God save one, One so obvious that it remains a mystery to most.

People look for a God in the sky, in the Earth, some kind of Image to place faith in, an idea. Yet every single day they meet the only True God, and they deem themselves self sufficient of it, yet they are completely dependant on it.

They want some God that is within the universe that floats around on a magical cloud and controls the universe with a chessboard. They can find that in their minds. Yet that is not The True God I speak of. Any of you can guess what this True God is, the Only God, one that completely has you under its controls through its limitations on you. You can not even think a single thought unless that thought is an available option to you, or do anything without it. You live with it, sleep with it, and interact with it in waking and in sleep. What is it?

God is not some man in the sky, nor will ever be, nor will any thing you can see that you do not already see be your God.

Your God is one God, what we are all made of, exist within, and are completely dependant on.

God is Reality. The Ultimate Reality. The Reality we exist within, interact with, are made of, where all possible perceptions of all possible things can occur, if the option for the thought is not available, you can't think it. The System is smooth, flawless, perfect, without Glitches.

People question the "control" of God without seeing how in fact they are completely limited and dependant on Reality. They look for something within Reality, when Reality itself is The Only God.

I don't only mean objective physical reality, I mean the subjective reality too, what we can think, a superimposed hallucinatory image, what matter is it made of? The actual image is not made of any matter, yet it is still an option within this Reality, or else you wouldn't be able to think it.

God is The Reality, there is no God but this. People say they will believe when they see some large being come down from the sky? Yet any large being that may come down from the sky is within reality, made of reality, limited by reality, thus Reality remains the True and Ultimate God.

The Ultimate Reality is where we exist, where this universe is, essentially it is the only thing, that ever was or will be.

Nothing does not exist, what I mean to say as, True, Absolute Nothing, does not exist, as something (this) can not come from Nothing. Nothing always remains as Nothing, it has no capability to manifest.

On the other hand, Ultimate Reality has always existed, there is nothing beyond it, it is all there is and ever was, it is the manifestor of all possibilities, all realities, including this one.

It is "alive" if it were dead, inactive, then so too would we be non active, incapable, non existant, All things are in motion constantly.

God is The Reality, all things are part of the Reality, made up of the Reality, dependant on the Reality. You can call it anything, from God, Allah, The Tao, The Force, The Brahman, its one thing, all of the above were words to describe it but some ended up humanizing it. It is not a human, it has no form, it is infinite, it has no limits, it is the only power, the ultimate power.

Why would one deny evolution and the processes of this universe? They are made manifest and clear. But to deny Reality would be the mistake, and Reality is the only God, the Ultimate God. The sustainer of Worlds, the Supreme "King", The Provider of all things.

Prove to me Reality does not exist? You can't without blatant denial of yourself and all that is within and without you. Reality is God, the Only God. We are all within it, and Nothing is without it.

Originally posted by truckfixr:

I can agree with you up to a point. Reality exists. Beyond that, you are stretching things a bit.

Reality is not a sentient being, thus it honestly cannot qualify as being a God. You're calling it so is based on your opinion/belief. Not on emperical evidence.

I'm not saying it is sentient in the way we are sentient:

Here is the definition from www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

sen·tient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snshnt, -sh-nt)

adj.

Having sense perception; conscious: “The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage” (T.E. Lawrence).

Experiencing sensation or feeling.

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Everything is made of Reality, including our feelings, and our ability to be sentient. Everything is within Reality, everything is in constant motion. Reality is not "dead" or else that would mean it would be nothing and not exist at all, nor would any thing manifest, exist, or manipulate, or even have a plain on which to exist, nor would or could anything manifest, appear or even move.

Reality is "Alive"

a·live ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lv)

adj.

Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.

In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.

Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.

Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.

Main Entry: alive

Pronunciation: &-'lIv

Function: adjective

: having life : not dead or inanimate

Clearly Reality is Animate, we and everything is proof of this.

Ultimate Reality is "Aware" of all things existing within it, the proof of this is in the manifestation of all the available possibilities for us and our ability to execute them, furthermore our personal Awareness being proof of "Reality posessing Awareness". Besides all that, if Reality were not "Aware" those things it is "Unaware" of would not exist.

Aware

adj 1: (sometimes followed by `of') having or showing realization

We and everything around us are the Realization of Reality.

re·al·i·za·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-zshn)

n.

The act of realizing or the condition of being realized.

The result of realizing.

Manifestation:

man·i·fes·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-f-stshn)

n.

The act of manifesting.

The state of being manifested.

An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.

man·i·fes·ta·tion (mn-f-stshn)

n.

An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something...

Main Entry: man·i·fes·ta·tion

Pronunciation: "man-&-f&-'stA-sh&n, -"fes-

Function: noun

: a perceptible, outward, or visible expression

There is your "Creation" The Manifestation of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, which is the Manifestor. To call it the "Manifestor" is not innacurate as clearly, we are manifest and here to prove it.

The funny thing is "We are witnesses unto ourselves" what I mean to say is "we are the proof against ourselves" So is everything else!

So to Recap, We and All that is, ever will be, ever was, ever can or will be, in this or any other reality, belongs within Ultimate Reality. Ultimate Reality is what we are "Manifest" within. There is no Diety or God greater or mightier than this, and it is not a humanoid or anything of the sort, nor does it operate or think like us, it is infinite, the proof of its life is in the movement of all things, the proof of its awareness is in our being manifest. If it did not "know" we would be "dead" or inactive in it. know ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n)

v. knew, (n, ny) known, (nn) know·ing, knows

v. tr.

To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.

To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.

To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.

dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dd)

adj. dead·er, dead·est

No longer in existence, use, or operation.

We are the proof amazingly, yet we look everywhere for something that doesn't exist, when "God" is right infront of us, we are operating through it. We are sufficient proof of it. The Ultimate Reality, we are within it, it is without us, self sufficient, be it that we exist or not, it is ever living, before and after. Call it what satisfies you, it is one undeniable thing, to deny it is to Deny the Truth, Yourselves, The Reality which you exist within.

ex·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zst)

intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists

To have actual being; be real.

It is one God that has appeared throughout history, constantly mutated by the minds of men which belong to it completely, for their form to the possible thoughts they can possibly think. Even the most ancient hunter gatherer societies have this most ancient concept ingrained into their personal religions, even so, athiests deny it due to their definitions of God which they base of the corruptions of humans. God is and has always been "The Ultimate Reality" Never has "God" been a man in the sky, some being with a form, or anything possible within Ultimate Reality because it, itself is Ultimate Reality and all things are within it, not without it.

Its been called many things, though it is one thing, and so too are we, who all belong in it and exist only within it and because of it, are one with it, yet we deem ourselves self sufficient, we are completely dependant. We are under its controls by its limitations. It is beneficent in its gamut of options which it has bestowed us, to do what we wish, and all things having their cause and effect.

People claim that this world is IMPERFECT, do they see glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly dissapear forever with no explanation right before your eyes? The System is Perfect, This Reality is Perfect, Ultimate Reality is Perfect, if it is incapable of one thing it is Imperfection, as Imperfection is Nothing, it can not manifest.

All Religions are an attempt to explain this truth in a way people can understand. Many get close. Christianity tries in its own way but its humanizations mislead.

The first beliefs understood this, it was understood all was a part of Reality, then each part, to explain the phenomena was accounted a spirit of action, originally accepted as part of the One, but later misrepresented through alagory and explanation as its own part, and all beliefs have this core, as does human existence, since it is undeniable.

Each Religion from the most ancient to the new says it in their own Way and tries to make the message clear. It is one Message. There is only One Religion.

The only dispute and matter of "Faith" should be in an afterlife or ressurection.

But even so, that concept is there, once again reflecting ultimate Truth, that to everything there is a Cycle, even so to this universe, it expands and will collapse and restart. The Night and the Day and the Night and the Day. The land grows dry and dead and then rains bring out the life again. A million metaphors to represent the ultimate cycles within Reality.

Please read the above post if you havent!

Reality is obviously not aware in the way we are but Reality is aware, the fact that we exist being that awareness manifest. If not we would not exist, but true that to us sounds humanization, but I don't mean it that way AT ALL.

en·ti·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-t)

n. pl. en·ti·ties

Something that exists as a particular and discrete unit: Persons and corporations are equivalent entities under the law.

The fact of existence; being.

The existence of something considered apart from its properties.

If anything, in that case, Reality would be the only Entity, what we all exist within, what only exists, what we are all made of. That would only be according to definition 2 of the word. In any case, everything is within and part of one thing, and that is Reality, it is infinite, essentially it is all there is.

in·fi·nite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nf-nt)

adj.

Having no boundaries or limits.

Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.

Mathematics.

Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.

Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.

Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.

I thought it was relevant since the word Manifestation was used, Creationists can simply say that the Bible uses metaphor to teach in the case of the story of our creation. Then they can take science as the fact, the story as the metaphor representing the science. I don't know why they would defend something untrue when they can just as easy take it as metaphor.

I'd LOVE to talk to you on an IM program! Which one do you use? I am MSN, AIM, and Yahoo. Which do you use? How can I add you?

Yeah I didn't understand what the phycedelics was reffering to:

did you mean:

psy·che·del·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk)

adj.

Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.

Hope to see you soon on one of the IM's I'll add you, or you could add me at abrahimesker@hotmail.com , abrahimesker , or abrahim_esker@yahoo.com

Originally posted by truckfixr:

We are aware. Reality is not.

Consider this. If all life in the universe were to cease to exist, any and all awareness would also cease to exist. Reality would remain. There would simply be no one to observe.

If we are Aware, Reality "posesses" Awareness. If it did not, we would not be Aware. Its language trickery maybe, but its literal too.

You are right about the second part, Reality would remain.

Most of what happened yesterday is unknown and unremembered, unverifiable, unproveable.

Were we created?

Were we manifested?

Were we molded by evolution?

Why can't people understand whatever the case, they are all the same, and the proof is that we are here.

We are manifestations, manifested within Reality and this Universe, and molded/created by evolution, a process which was originally manifested as a possibility within Reality and this Universe. The argument goes into semantics, language, and philosophy. There is only One God worthy of Worship, Understanding, Submission. There is no Being within this Universe or outside it worthy of worship save the one thing.

The one thing has been described in a billion ways over history by different people, and it is always an attempt to explain the one thing which EVERYONE knows willingly or unwillingly. There is no Elephant, Bearded man, Spirit Being, or any other explanation of the One thing.

The One Thing is not seperate from anything, or any of us, we are within it, a part of it, manifested by it, within it, and are completely dependant on it.

Some call it "What is Real" some give it other images and forms, thus limiting it in peoples minds and ruining the original concept.

Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, they all talk about the one thing and describe it in various fashions. Even Zoroastrianism, even Athiests can't deny the One Thing, they all call it by different names, it has no name save a name we give it.

Even the oldest religions, the most ancient hunter gatherer beliefs try to describe this one thing and mention it in their various fashions.

I call it "Reality" what encompasses all of us, objective, subjective.

Hindu's call it brahma (nominative singular), brahman (stem) (neuter[1] gender) means the concept of the Supreme transcendent and immanent Reality or the One Godhead or Cosmic Spirit in Hinduism; this is discussed below.

The Vedas depict Brahman as the Ultimate Reality, the Absolute or Universal Soul (Paramātman) [6]. It is the ultimate principle who is without a beginning, without an end, who is hidden in all and who is the cause, source, material and effect of all creation known, unknown and yet to happen in the entire universe.

Bhuddists include this belief as well as other religions that have sprung from Hinduism.

"Ishvara (ईश्वर in devanagari script, pronunciation /ī:sh vərə/), also variously transliterated (romanized) as Īshvara, Īshwara, Īshwar, Īśvara, etc. (Sanskrit: "the Supreme Lord, and hence the Cosmic Controller") is a Hindu philosophical concept of God meaning that entity or the Supreme Being which is the lord and the ruler of everything. It is also used in Buddhism to mean 'lord' or 'master', eg, Avalokiteshvara."

The same goes for "The Tao" in Taoism.

The same with "Allah" in Islam, it is a description of Ultimate Reality.

Everyone from the beginning of our attempts to explain things, have been attempting to explain one thing, which we exist within, interact with, are controlled by, has an infinite potential of aspects (manifestations) but is One, call it what you want, Reality, Tao, The Brahman, Allah, God. It is one thing, and it is One. Nothing is outside of Reality, it is infinite and all encompassing, the most powerful thing. No big man in the sky, beast, or alien creature is worthy of Worship, the most powerful thing is this Reality. It is one Religion, it has always been one Religion, people have tried to describe one thing over and over and people tend to misunderstand it over and over again: They seek what can only exist within their minds, and EVEN THAT is within the bounds of the One Reality, The Ultimate Reality.

"Pantheism (Greek: pan = all and Theos = God) literally means "God is All" and "All is God". It is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God

Debate

Some critics argue that pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "existence", "life" or "reality". Many pantheists reply that even if this is so, such a shift in the way we think about these ideas can serve to create both a new and a potentially far more insightful conception of both existence and God."

This forum is for religious debate, it has a name that is very cute: My God can beat the Shit out of Your God, while both are attempts to describe one singular thing.

The other point people can debate on is the afterlife, something which no one has proof or knowledge about or for, what we know is now, and we should use it to the best of our advantage.

Understand: New and Old, attempts have been repeatedly made to describe one thing, there is nothing else we know but Reality, it was what we live in and are made of and are completely dependant on.

The Qur'an says it, Hinduism says it at its core, and Taoism said it too.

It has no name so call it what you want, it is one thing and it is undeniable.

There is no Diety or God but the Reality we exist within. There is no man sitting in the sky waiting for you, there is no man who is God, there is One Ultimate Reality, all that is within it is a part of it equally.

You are all manifestations within Ultimate Reality, this is obvious because here we are, debating what is obvious.

Nothing can threaten the True Religion, and it is one, and nothing can destroy it either because it is True. You can attempt to deny the undeniable, but it is futile because even to deny it you utilize it to do so and are completely dependant. The best you can do for yourself is to humble yourself to it, submit to it, attempt to become one with it, at peace with it, do right: Islam, Taoism, Hinduism, Bhuddism all suggest the same thing. Judaism and Christianity also attempt to describe the path of becoming at peace with Reality.

Do what you know is right, and good for you, good for others, you know it, I know it, we may do it differently. What is wrong is bad for us and others, what is right is good for us, and good for others. Use common sense.

Being human and living in Reality is an automatic religion, you breath, you walk, you talk, you fight, you write, you laugh you cry, you argue about one thing with different names.

All Polytheistic Religions from the past were originally an attempt to describe what is known, and what is unknown. To describe Reality which is one, they gave it aspects, which became known as spirits or Gods, which controlled each aspect, but are all part of the "Creator" or "King" or the "Master" God which is Reality, and all were manifestations of it.

The One Truth, Reality exists, internal or external, we are all here and manifested by it, dependant on it completely.

Originally posted by Beta69:

Sure thing.

Creationist side: Evolution is false science because we have deemed it so based on how we read a couple chapters in an old religious text.

Evolutionist side: Evolution is most likely correct because mountains of tested and retested evidence based on tried and true methods says so.

QED

K thanks. I really appreciate it.

What would happen if Creationists say Evolution was Created?



I believe many people including athiests have an incorrect humanized idea of God, which makes it easy to simply discard because of its obvious absurdity. I do not believe God is some man or woman in the sky holding lightning bolts or controlling things somewhere in space with a chess board. I believe God is "Reality", everything is made of it, nothing exists without it, it is surrounding us, within us, everywhere. We are made of complex knowledge and mathematics that allow us to exist but essentially we are all parts of reality, you and I no better than a tree or a molecule of air, all part of the same thing! The way in which God controls everyone is just that! A leaf falling, nothing can happen without the possibility for it to happen to exist. We cant even think if the possibility of the thought didnt exist. To put it simply, everything is available to us, what isn't, we can't concieve of, what we can concieve of is already available as something we can possible concieve of. God, Reality, is what has always been there, not this planet or universe, but if there was ever a time of pure nothing, no possibilities, no numbers, no black, no white, no nothing, absolutely nothing would still be there, as nothing can produce only nothing. Something cant come from nothing. The source of all possibilities and realities, innumerable is The Ultimate Reality, God. God being in the image of nothing, but with the function of manifesting absolutely all possibilities and realities. We are the proof that there is no such thing as nothing, if there were nothing there would STILL be nothing. To say something came from nothing is as illogical as to say God is a man in the sky who has a kid who is him who was born a baby who shat and bled and died.

LOL J/K!!!!

Sorry, but the urge was too powerful.

Now that that's said. I believe in the Welsh and Greek gods, specifically I adore Aphrodite, Ares, Hades, Gwyddion, Arianrhod, Pwyll, and Llew Law.

The sexy bitches...

quote:Originally posted by Murloc:



Your LOL J/K post kicked ass!

Holy crap abrahim did you really write all of that? i doubt it somehow...

I believe in Allah(SWT). Enough typed.

quote:Originally posted by ADogg:

Holy crap abrahim did you really write all of that? i doubt it somehow...

I wrote every bit of that except what was copy pasted from dictionaries. The Majority is all my writing.

I lack a god.

I was born from non-exsistence.

I lived and learned of our exsistence.

I will return back to non-exsistence.

Death will be the same as before I was born, I will no longer be. I only hope my life touches those I love enough to be remembered in a kind light.

quote:Originally posted by TJTay89:

I lack a god.

I was born from non-exsistence.

I lived and learned of our exsistence.

I will return back to non-exsistence.

Death will be the same as before I was born, I will no longer be. I only hope my life touches those I love enough to be remembered in a kind light.

That's all true and I agree BUT what if you wake up after returning to non existence? My Version is:

I believe strongly in God.

I was born from non-exsistence.

I lived and learned of our exsistence.

I will return back to non-exsistence.

I will be ressurected and whatever I will be given recompense based on how I spent my life.

quote:Originally posted by DSK:

i worship the sun god Ra

"Hail to the Sun god!

He's a real fun god!

Ra, Ra, Ra!"

Eris and/or JR "Bob" Dobbs, usually.

I beleive that man created god, rather than god creating man.

I'd be glad to extrapolate more on my beleifs if anyone is curious.

[This message has been edited by Cooking with Zyklon B (edited 09-03-2006).]

I follow the teachings of Zek.

My god, like all gods, was created by the imaginations of humans.

His name is Rallos Zek, God of War. His sons help him rule, and his daughter is locked away for the protection of all existance.

Vallon Zek, The Governor of War, Demi-God of Strategy.

Tallon Zek, The Beholder of Battle, Demi-God of Tactics.

Sullon Zek, The Maiden of Rage, Demi-Goddess of Rage

The sad thing is that no matter how many words you know to describe or how many scriptures/texts you know to support your beliefs, you still have never witnessed an act of god and never will. So, you're opinions are all flawed and no better than anyone elses, you're just going by what some men wrote or said out of their asses many years ago. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

quote:Originally posted by Ra-deus:

The sad thing is that no matter how many words you know to describe or how many scriptures/texts you know to support your beliefs, you still have never witnessed an act of god and never will. So, you're opinions are all flawed and no better than anyone elses, you're just going by what some men wrote or said out of their asses many years ago. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

Mine more than most, yeah? Mine weren't even written that long ago. And they admit they're frauds. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Ra-deus:

The sad thing is that no matter how many words you know to describe or how many scriptures/texts you know to support your beliefs, you still have never witnessed an act of god and never will. So, you're opinions are all flawed and no better than anyone elses, you're just going by what some men wrote or said out of their asses many years ago. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

Never witnessed an act of God? lolz If only you knew how many acts of God you have witnessed, but surely you'll be brought forward as a witness.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Never witnessed an act of God? lolz If only you knew how many acts of God you have witnessed, but surely you'll be brought forward as a witness.





You seem to be crossing a fine line to me. It irks me when someone asks why would god allow so much evil in the world and the reply is something along the lines of

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

We are the cause of our own suffering, no need to blame god, he is not the cause.

But if something good happens or someone does something good, this person was guided by god! It's a double standard to me.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Never witnessed an act of God? lolz If only you knew how many acts of God you have witnessed, but surely you'll be brought forward as a witness.



Let's hear some examples?

My "God" is me, life, everything and nothing, the spark that keeps me conscious, the moment of joy and the depth of sorrow, the belief that I am born, and I will die, ending this current situation for ever.

The theistic god is just a misunderstanding of ones self, and the energy that binds the universe in my oppinion.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/siash/stfupope.jpg

quote:Originally posted by Mellow_Fellow:

My "God" is me, life, everything and nothing, the spark that keeps me conscious, the moment of joy and the depth of sorrow, the belief that I am born, and I will die, ending this current situation for ever.

The theistic god is just a misunderstanding of ones self, and the energy that binds the universe in my oppinion.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Dis is pretty dang true.

quote:Originally posted by Ra-deus:

Let's hear some examples?



Sure!

056.057

We created you. Will ye then admit the truth?

056.058

Have ye seen that which ye emit?



056.059

Do ye create it or are We the Creator?

056.060

We have ordained death among you and We are not to be overcome,

056.061

That We may evolve you and make you what ye know not.

056.062

And verily ye know the first creation. Why, then, do ye not reflect?

056.063

Have ye seen that which ye cultivate?

056.064

Is it ye that cause it to grow, or are We the Cause?

056.065

If We pleased, We should have certainly made it broken down into pieces, then would you begin tb lament:

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"We are laden with debt!"

056.067

"Nay, but we are deprived!"

056.068

See ye the water which ye drink?

056.069

Do ye bring it down from the cloud or do We?

056.070

Were it Our Will, We could make it salt: then why do ye not give thanks?

056.071

See ye the Fire which ye kindle?

056.072

Is it ye who grow the tree which feeds the fire, or do We grow it?

056.073

We, even We, appointed it a memorial and a comfort for the dwellers in the wilderness.

056.074

Therefor, praise the name of thy Lord, the Tremendous.

056.075

Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,-

056.076

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew -

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Most surely it is an honored Quran,

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In a book that is protected

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None shall touch it save the purified ones.

056.080

A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

056.081

Do you then hold this announcement in contempt?

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And have ye made it your livelihood that ye should declare it false?

056.083

Why is it not then that when it comes up to the throat,

056.084

And ye are at that moment looking

056.085

And We are nearer to it than you, but you do not see--

056.086

Then why is it not-- if you are not held under authority--

056.087

Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful?

(The ending is most likely talking about death and forcing back death))

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Direct examples include your life and everything around you, the universe, the orbits, the stars, the sky, your hands, arms, legs, feet, eyes, ears, nose, tongue, brain, heart and everything else you can possibly imagine.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Blah blah.

Cop out.

Let me just copy and paste some nonsense about a book on Greek Mythology. However much you find it to be bullshit, it was truth back then. Same with christianity.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Sure!

056.057

We created you. Will ye then admit the truth?

056.058

Have ye seen that which ye emit?



056.059

Do ye create it or are We the Creator?

056.060

We have ordained death among you and We are not to be overcome,

056.061

That We may evolve you and make you what ye know not.

056.062

And verily ye know the first creation. Why, then, do ye not reflect?

056.063

Have ye seen that which ye cultivate?

056.064

Is it ye that cause it to grow, or are We the Cause?

056.065

If We pleased, We should have certainly made it broken down into pieces, then would you begin tb lament:

056.066

"We are laden with debt!"

056.067

"Nay, but we are deprived!"

056.068

See ye the water which ye drink?

056.069

Do ye bring it down from the cloud or do We?

056.070

Were it Our Will, We could make it salt: then why do ye not give thanks?

056.071

See ye the Fire which ye kindle?

056.072

Is it ye who grow the tree which feeds the fire, or do We grow it?

056.073

We, even We, appointed it a memorial and a comfort for the dwellers in the wilderness.

056.074

Therefor, praise the name of thy Lord, the Tremendous.

056.075

Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,-

056.076

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew -

056.077

Most surely it is an honored Quran,

056.078

In a book that is protected

056.079

None shall touch it save the purified ones.

056.080

A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

056.081

Do you then hold this announcement in contempt?

056.082

And have ye made it your livelihood that ye should declare it false?

056.083

Why is it not then that when it comes up to the throat,

056.084

And ye are at that moment looking

056.085

And We are nearer to it than you, but you do not see--

056.086

Then why is it not-- if you are not held under authority--

056.087

Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful?

(The ending is most likely talking about death and forcing back death))

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Direct examples include your life and everything around you, the universe, the orbits, the stars, the sky, your hands, arms, legs, feet, eyes, ears, nose, tongue, brain, heart and everything else you can possibly imagine.

No offense, but that's "horse shit", as some would call it. Or "bull shit". Just because there are questions that cannot be answered (yet), does not mean that Jesus was the son of god, or allah exists and is of the nature which you believe him to be. If there is a god, which is quite possible, he does not communicate and his way and will are a mystery. So you're just living by the words a man wrote about him.

quote:Originally posted by Ra-deus:

If there is a god, which is quite possible, he does not communicate and his way and will are a mystery.



How do YOU know?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

How do YOU know?



All I know is that an encounter with a god has never been documented, and I have never had one personally, nor heard of one outside of "Praaaaise Jaaayzuuus I see the light" (that type of stuff). I also know that a "god" would be a being which can create matter from nothing and shape it into whatever he desires, this leads me to think that a being of such power would not waste his time "inspiring" people to make up a bunch of shit that you call a religion.

So I don't know for sure, but most conclusions of some complexity require educated guessing and logical deductions. Which is why scientists, historians etc. consider Christianity and all of the other "creation religions" to be mere mythology.

Allah

quote:Originally posted by Distortion plus:

Share who your higher power is and what your higher power is like. This includes gods of religions. If you share a god of a religion please describe what your god is like to you.

My God is the creator of everything who is Loveing, Caring, and Forgiving.





God is Help is the closest I can come, one sees god at work whenever people are helping eachother, especially when there is no thought of reward. That is the highest principle, it is the highest form of human action that I have personally witnessed. Ultimately God is undefinable and unknowable, best understood as an universal, infinite living mind.

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by DSK:

i worship the sun god Ra

Most people do...

There is probably one almighty God who died in creation.

Considering the general order of creation, the one father God omnipotent owner of the invention of such creation, I believe there are powerful human Gods.

History has shown that The Catholic belief in one God to be fickle as the following of thus was in coexistance with fairytale and legend, combinations of parental beliefs crossing Europe in particular.

From the East we recieved from scholars the passing of far older beliefs of Elemental Gods and Gods of fertile pasture. Steming from Eastern Asia Buddhism,

fom the south Islam and Muslim structured beliefs in one Almighty God

and oppsite belief of the Norse and Roman Gods in Europe in coexistance with the "word of Christ".

In South America and Australasia the belief in a Sun God...

quote:Originally posted by Anti Christ Super Star:

There is probably one almighty God who died in creation.

lol that's some might.

quote:Originally posted by redzed:

God is best understood as an universal, infinite living mind.

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

...Why do you fight me?

quote:Originally posted by Ra-deus:

All I know is that an encounter with a god has never been documented, and I have never had one personally, nor heard of one outside of "Praaaaise Jaaayzuuus I see the light" (that type of stuff). I also know that a "god" would be a being which can create matter from nothing and shape it into whatever he desires, this leads me to think that a being of such power would not waste his time "inspiring" people to make up a bunch of shit that you call a religion.

So I don't know for sure, but most conclusions of some complexity require educated guessing and logical deductions. Which is why scientists, historians etc. consider Christianity and all of the other "creation religions" to be mere mythology.



A being can only exist within something therefor God can not be a being in the sense that we are, God is the formless infinite that encompasses all by my definition and more ancient references.

No one can witness God more than one witnesses God in every moment of their life since God by my definition is what absolutely everything is made of, utilizing, existing by and within, God is all there is and ever was and ever will be, strip all these things within God and you will be left with nothing but God.

Alot of people have claimed and documented encounters with God or beings representing God or Gods. That doesn't mean those are true.

With God came all the knowledge which makes up absolutely everything but why would such a powerful being waste time creating or manifesting or managing things as much as it would waste time inspiring and warning creatures? All of those things are easy for such a power.

My God is a personal God; a point of view and not really a diety, it is the entirely of humanity, reality, nothing, nature, etc.

Any God which would exclude you or damn you is not the God for me, God is beyond the concept of good and evil. He/She/It is on an entirely different plane of existence and to try to capture it into human concepts is impossible, you can only try to vaguely and hope people eventually feel it for themselves.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

A being can only exist within something therefor God can not be a being in the sense that we are, God is the formless infinite that encompasses all by my definition and more ancient references.

No one can witness God more than one witnesses God in every moment of their life since God by my definition is what absolutely everything is made of, utilizing, existing by and within, God is all there is and ever was and ever will be, strip all these things within God and you will be left with nothing but God.

Alot of people have claimed and documented encounters with God or beings representing God or Gods. That doesn't mean those are true.

With God came all the knowledge which makes up absolutely everything but why would such a powerful being waste time creating or manifesting or managing things as much as it would waste time inspiring and warning creatures? All of those things are easy for such a power.



You do not have to convince me that there could be a god. I am very open to the idea, and would hope that it is true. My opinion is only that what people think they know of god is mythology based on a concept. As a philosopher once said (either Plato or Aristotle....maybe Socrates) Concepts exist before judgement. So just because these religions were aware of the concept of god, doesn't mean that he does or does not exist. I think they just ran a bit too far with their ideas, and now will likely cause even more death and destruction if the truth is not soon revealed.

quote:Originally posted by Mellow_Fellow:

My "God" is me, life, everything and nothing, the spark that keeps me conscious, the moment of joy and the depth of sorrow, the belief that I am born, and I will die, ending this current situation for ever.

The theistic god is just a misunderstanding of ones self, and the energy that binds the universe in my oppinion.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I can dig that.