Okay, we had some Jahovah (sp?)Witnesses come by today, and I guess they were asking my Step Dad if God Will was being performed. Well that got me thinking.

If Gods Will was not being performed, wouldnt it mean God didnt will it? Or is Gods Will different than fate? And if thats the case, doesnt that mean Fate controls Gods Will? (or the reverse?)

An all powerful and omnipotent god's will is always being done because if he did not will it it could not be done.

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

An all powerful and omnipotent god's will is always being done because if he did not will it it could not be done.

Right on! But I believe alot of options are provided for us to choose between.

At the point at which God created the Universe, he must have known exactly what would happen. He must have had the choice to create it differently. Therefore anything that happens only happens because God has chosen (or willed) it to happen.

Calvinism attempts to explain away how this can occur without destroying free will by saying that as long as humanity always has the ability to choose their strongest desire, then their will is still being fulfilled, and thus is free.

To me, all of that seems pretty crappy, but that's the theological explanation.

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

At the point at which God created the Universe, he must have known exactly what would happen. He must have had the choice to create it differently. Therefore anything that happens only happens because God has chosen (or willed) it to happen.

Calvinism attempts to explain away how this can occur without destroying free will by saying that as long as humanity always has the ability to choose their strongest desire, then their will is still being fulfilled, and thus is free.

To me, all of that seems pretty crappy, but that's the theological explanation.

God is the provider of all possibilities that we can possibly think, perform, choose, and it is God we utilize in order to choose them. On another level we are just yet another possibility playing itself out of an infinite number of others.

Let's be blunt here: that was a completely empty statement which doesn't address any of the relevant issues or points.

But on the plus side, it almost sounded like real philosophy. It was just hollow.

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

Let's be blunt here: that was a completely empty statement which doesn't address any of the relevant issues or points.

But on the plus side, it almost sounded like real philosophy. It was just hollow.

You talkin' to me? Whatchu talkin' about Willis?

Yes. The part where you responded to my post with sweet FA.

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

Yes. The part where you responded to my post with sweet FA.

Why is it empty? Why do people seem to find it empty! It is what I believe!

quote:and it is God we utilize in order to choose them.

This pretty much means nothing.

Oh, and just because you believe it doesn't mean it's not completely stupid.

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quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

This pretty much means nothing.

Oh, and just because you believe it doesn't mean it's not completely stupid.



I've discussed my ideas in great length in this forum you can find more in "My Dear Abrahim Your Theories are Flawed" feel free to post there.

I maintain the "completely stupid" idea that God is what everything is made of and what we utilize in order to do anything. This means that God is the provider of all possibilities available to think of or do, furthermore that nothing that we can execute those possibilities in would exist without God. I don't find that what I'm saying is empty or stupid, I think perhaps you don't have a grasp on the concepts I am putting forth. Feel free to read more in the topic called My Dear Abrahim.

What you just said is empty and stupid. It will remain so until you provide a logical basis for that belief. And it would have to include a basis in empirical and observable evidence.

So yeah, you're very ignorant and naive, quite possibly stupid.

most people dont really reprent gods word, and have their own ideas put, you will know tho, when a person acctualy does speak the word of god, from your heart you will notice.

quote:Originally posted by burymeag:

most people dont really reprent gods word, and have their own ideas put, you will know tho, when a person acctualy does speak the word of god, from your heart you will notice.

wow, then I've never met a true speaker of god's word, not even you.

Get out of here with that 'in your heart' shtick, it's emotive reasoning and nonsense.