Why do we even have gods?

Totally independent, all cultures - every single one of them, Have had a belief. either it was river spirits, sun gods or the almighty god. They're never the same, so it cant be becouse one faith is the right one.

its only becouse, humans allways have need one to thank, to whine to, and to pray to.

And the only reason you believing dickholes are thinking that there's a life of some kind after this, is because, the human mind isn't fit to think of 2 things.

nothing.. and eternity.

when you're dead its over, deal with it.

all you damn relegious thoughts are caused by chemical reactions and little sparks in you head.

youre so called "soul" is nothing but a very complicated science eksperiment.

learn to live with it you believing hobos.

religion have been a source of great inner peace through history... so has knitting.

religion have caused lots of wars througout history, knitting hasn't

conclusion= start knitting.

If you disagree, feel free to write shitloads of angry replies i ain't going to answer.



[This message has been edited by Demios (edited 08-17-2006).]

Thanks for such original views. I've never heard such well thought out reasoning about the nature of man before. Excuse me while I take the day off to ponder my existence.

you're excused.

oh, and did i said i didnt reply?

well fuck that. I reply if im feeling like it.

btw, very smooth and well composed sarcasm.

my compliment...

OooOooOooo! Somebody's a monist!

Well, you see, your arguments apply only to religions that claim to be the one true one and decide that anyone who doesn't believe like them is wrong and must therefore die.

That's what happens when religion is forced to be a public thing. Yes, it's fine to celebrate religious holidays(where I would I be without Samhain in Moses Lake?) but as far as daily practice it's not special or meaningful unless it's only between you and those you believe in.

Myself, I'm a pagan, and whatever anyone else believes is just dandy. I believe in reincarnation.

Because you forgot something in your psuedo-scientific ramblings, mon cheri, your forgot that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It is a proven fact that all living things possess a sort of energy field to a greater or lesser degree. This has to go somewhere. Where, if not into a new body?

And why not religion? Only a few religions cause wars, but most preach peace. All relgions work towards the betterment of humanity in some way. Is that so bad? Think of where we'd be without the pilgrims, you asshole, why would there ever be a reason to leave Britain if no one had religion?

hmmmm...

i apologise, for not mentioning budhismen and some groups of christianity.

they aren't interested in forcing their own beliefs over people's heads. (Unless you count missionaires.)

and to you argument about one of physics base princips.

first ill ask you a question, this will minimise the amount of text i have to write later.

when reincarnated, do you remember you'r previous life in some way?

(i still dont believe in reincarnation.)

[This message has been edited by Demios (edited 08-17-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Demios:

hmmmm...

i apologise, for not mentioning budhismen and some groups of christianity.

they aren't interested in forcing their own beliefs over people's heads. (Unless you count missionaires.)

and to you argument about one of physics base princips.

first ill ask you a question, this will minimise the amount of text i have to write later.

when reincarnated, do you remember you'r previous life in some way?

(i still dont believe in reincarnation.)



You have never even taken the time to even read something about religion on the internet, have you?

as a matter of fact, yes. other questions?

+ several books and articles.



[This message has been edited by Demios (edited 08-17-2006).]

fuck it. im not waiting for him to reply.

if you dont remember anything: then you aren't reincarnated. its your memories and experiences that defines your personallity.

if you soul passes to a new body with some memories: in that case there would be some form of radiation as the energy leaves your body. mostly what you generate is heat radiation (infra red). and i will assume that your personellity is not heat.

if you where to remember subconcious who you were in you previous life this would be quite alot. the brain memory have been estimated to roughly 20 terabyte.

a radiation pulse like this would surely be detected by a sensor, people dies all the time. in conclusion this energy should be everywhere why isnt this mystical energy detected?

dont whine about neutrinos, i know what neutrinos are. but there's no evidence that other things than stars produce 'em.

[This message has been edited by Demios (edited 08-17-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Demios:

if you dont remember anything: then you aren't reincarnated.



Why?

From the moment you die to the moment you are reborn (Assuming reincarnation exists), you have no brain to store memory, so you have no choice but to experience the exactness of each moment. It's only when you are reborn and have a brain again that you can begin to store memory.

quote:Originally posted by Demios:

fuck it. im not waiting for him to reply.

if you dont remember anything: then you aren't reincarnated. its your memories and experiences that defines your personallity.

if you soul passes to a new body with some memories: in that case there would be some form of radiation as the energy leaves your body. mostly what you generate is heat radiation (infra red). and i will assume that your personellity is not heat.

if you where to remember subconcious who you were in you previous life this would be quite alot. the brain memory have been estimated to roughly 20 terabyte.

a radiation pulse like this would surely be detected by a sensor, people dies all the time. in conclusion this energy should be everywhere why isnt this mystical energy detected?

dont whine about neutrinos, i know what neutrinos are. but there's no evidence that other things than stars produce 'em.



First of all, I'm not a dude so don't refer to me as him.

Do you have any idea how much real evidence there is for reincarnation? That's not why I believe.

You see, the thing is that I don't have all the answers. Mine isn't even an answer, it's a belief. I believe that after death our souls move into new bodies. Do we remember? Some people seem to, others haven't a clue.

Neutrinos are produced by the stars and actually move through everything else, so how might I whine about them?

There are electric impulses radiated by the brain immeadiately after death. What's more, when a body dies, it immeadiately drops 2.4 pounds. This isn't because the body shits, because that was weighed along with the dead body and 2.4 pounds were still missing.

quote:Originally posted by Murloc

Do you have any idea how much real evidence there is for reincarnation?

There is no strong evidence that reincarnation happens.



quote:Originally posted by Murloc

There are electric impulses radiated by the brain immeadiately after death.

Where did you get this information from?



quote:Originally posted by Murloc

What's more, when a body dies, it immeadiately drops 2.4 pounds.

You're losing more and more credibility the more you write. A physician once came to the conclusion that the human body loses about 21 grams immediately after death, but it's well accepted that his methodology was flawed and his results erroneous.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

You're losing more and more credibility the more you write. A physician once came to the conclusion that the human body loses about 21 grams immediately after death, but it's well accepted that his methodology was flawed and his results erroneous.

http://ww w.snopes.c om/religio n/soulweight.asp (http: //www.snop es.com/rel igion/soul weight.asp )

Well, the first was an argument from a religious standpoint and I actually meant to delete it because it's a little my way or no way.

The second is true, the brain has electric impulses anyway but the fact that they continue after death at higher levels is significant.

The study I was talking about wasn't the Victorian age one, I actually forget where that was I found it. I think world history class we were watching a Discovery Channel video. I'll try to find it.

quote:Originally posted by Demios:

Why do we even have gods?

Totally independent, all cultures - every single one of them, Have had a belief. either it was river spirits, sun gods or the almighty god. They're never the same, so it cant be becouse one faith is the right one.



Well, if you study them carefully, you'll find they all often are not only saying something similar, but at the root often have the same essential overall concepts.

quote:Originally posted by Demios:

its only becouse, humans allways have need one to thank, to whine to, and to pray to.

If you disagree, feel free to write shitloads of angry replies i ain't going to answer.

You defeat yourself.

Pretty close-minded to not even offer a reply to basic objections to your convictions, eh?

quote:Originally posted by Inti:

You defeat yourself.

Pretty close-minded to not even offer a reply to basic objections to your convictions, eh?

Yeah it would be nice to have him respond, but then again if he doesn't we the people can in his stead.

Demios... do you ever fuckin proof read?? your writing is giving me a headache. plus if you check people might take you a bit more seriously. the reason people believed in all sorts of gods way back when was because they were ignorant and wanted to know why certain natural things happened(sun rising, floods, seasons etc). so they made up gods to explain all the natural phenomenon, simple.

Murloc, sure only a few cause war but it doesnt take many radicals from two different, opposing religions to start a war. and we would have eventually left britain, but if there was no religion that wouldnt be the only thing that would be different. the basis for all the empires from long ago was religion. so think about the effects it would have on just the colonization and such from way back when before people were in britain. (not that your wrong i was just wanting you to look at a larger picture than just the colonization of america)

Oh and supposedly if you ask a child when its 2 or 3 about his "past life" it can remember and can tell but i kinda think its bullshit.

Well im sorry bout the headache. I'll try and be more carefull with my checkings.

Just to completely ruin the, "You loose weight evidence."

When burning oil, you convert about 0.000024% of the mass to energy (heat mostly.)

A nuclear reactor converts roughly 0.56% of the mass into energy. (Heat, radiation and so.)

A nuclear fusion converts amazingly about

3.76% mass into energy. (^See above^)

If you pretend that the few grams isn't

something natural but you're soul. (If i understand this right, your soul weighs about 21 gram.)

this weight is electric impulses.

(Correct me if i misunderstood something.)

This will sugest a mass to energy covertion of 100%. That's similar to anti-matter/matter reactions. And more energy than you'd use in ten years.

alot of energy, suddenly apearing. I wonder why none has ever noticed it?



And btw, i changed my mind, i've decided to reply if theres a good reason or question.

(Or to ad new information.)

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