Do you believe in Dinosaurs? We pretty much have proof that they existed like 60 million years before humans. So how is it that in the creation story, God created man after just a few days of creating earth? Where were the dinosaurs?

Shhh!! You're not supposed to notice that kind of thing...

quote:Originally posted by psychedelicious

We pretty much have proof that they existed like 60 million years before humans.

Some retards don't believe this.

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/read/dinosaurs_and_the_bible

quote:Originally posted by psychedelicious:

Do you believe in Dinosaurs? We pretty much have proof that they existed like 60 million years before humans. So how is it that in the creation story, God created man after just a few days of creating earth? Where were the dinosaurs?

As a Christian, this is my response:

Like many reform Jews that I know, I believe that the creation myth is just that: A Myth. Everything before Abraham and the Book of Job are both there as a means for Jews (and Christians) to understand Mans relationship with God. They are not to be taken literally.

And yes, I realize that amongst Christians (including my wife) I'm in the minority and/or going to Hell.

So how do you feel about original sin? The whole Adam and Eve thing is that part of the creation "myth." Do you believe in original sin and I guess, the partial meaning behind Baptism?

quote:Originally posted by psychedelicious:

Do you believe in Dinosaurs? We pretty much have proof that they existed like 60 million years before humans. So how is it that in the creation story, God created man after just a few days of creating earth? Where were the dinosaurs?

Yes, I believe in dinosaurs. I also believe what the bible says.

Keep in mind "time" is an interesting concept. An earth day is of course 24 hours but, a day on Mars is not. So our perception of time is a conditioned and learned response.

God is eternal and spiritual. He is not on the same clock we are on. The universe spins on it's own time so who is to say what is meant by the word day? It is not clearly portrayed in the bible.

Now as for dinosaurs pre-dating man - the bible is in agreement. Woman was the very last thing created after man thus mankind is the last created thing. All other things were created before man. Land dwelling animals, sea creatures, birds in the sky, vegetation on earth, the atmoshpere, the sun..etc.





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quote:Originally posted by Interest:

Yes, I believe in dinosaurs. I also believe what the bible says.

Keep in mind "time" is an interesting concept. An earth day is of course 24 hours but, a day on Mars is not. So our perception of time is a conditioned and learned response.

God is eternal and spiritual. He is not on the same clock we are on. The universe spins on it's own time so who is to say what is meant by the word day? It is not clearly portrayed in the bible.

Now as for dinosaurs pre-dating man - the bible is in agreement. Woman was the very last thing created after man thus mankind is the last created thing. All other things were created before man. Land dwelling animals, sea creatures, birds in the sky, vegetation on earth, the atmoshpere, the sun..etc.





Excellent, you've grasped the concept that God's "Days" are not the same as "man's" furthermore that the 6 days were actually meant to mean 6 Stages, Phases, or Ages of Creation, not literal 24 hour periods of time.

What else in Christianity do you believe and why? Have you looked into other religions?

quote:Originally posted by psychedelicious:

So how do you feel about original sin? The whole Adam and Eve thing is that part of the creation "myth." Do you believe in original sin and I guess, the partial meaning behind Baptism?

Yes, Adam and Eve were part of creation myth. Their use was to explain how a Good and Mighty God could exist in a world full of evil.

And I din't believe in Original Sin, unless you mean that movie where Angelina Jolie shows her cans. I believe that baptism is the physical manifestation of the concept of being "washed in the blood", if you will.

quote:Originally posted by dlmcc:

Yes, Adam and Eve were part of creation myth. Their use was to explain how a Good and Mighty God could exist in a world full of evil.

And I din't believe in Original Sin, unless you mean that movie where Angelina Jolie shows her cans. I believe that baptism is the physical manifestation of the concept of being "washed in the blood", if you will.

WUZAT!?

quote:Originally posted by Interest

An earth day is of course 24 hours but, a day on Mars is not. So our perception of time is a conditioned and learned response.

God is eternal and spiritual. He is not on the same clock we are on. The universe spins on it's own time so who is to say what is meant by the word day? It is not clearly portrayed in the bible.

Okay, Gods days are longer than Earth days. Since dinosaurs pre-dated man by many millions of years, we can logically come to the conclusion that God's day is millions of years long. Since man has been around for less than a million years, and on the seventh day He rested, He must still be resting and won't be through resting for millions of more years. That's a hell of a long time we have to wait for the Apocalypse!

Wow...I'm learning more about religion from this thread than 12 years at Catholic school.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Okay, Gods days are longer than Earth days. Since dinosaurs pre-dated man by many millions of years, we can logically come to the conclusion that God's day is millions of years long. Since man has been around for less than a million years, and on the seventh day He rested, He must still be resting and won't be through resting for millions of more years. That's a hell of a long time we have to wait for the Apocalypse!

Well when you die, which won't be in millions of years (assumption) it will seem like it happens right away.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Excellent, you've grasped the concept that God's "Days" are not the same as "man's" furthermore that the 6 days were actually meant to mean 6 Stages, Phases, or Ages of Creation, not literal 24 hour periods of time.

What else in Christianity do you believe and why? Have you looked into other religions?

I believe every bit of it. Although Genesis is an inherited belief in my opinion. It was given to us from Judaism and because Jesus came from the Jewish lineage we also accept that the "truth" predates Jesus's ministry on earth.

Although, I accept that it is possible for God to create the universe and all that is in it in a single earth week, scientific discovery is showing something else. Therefore, prudence tells me that the idea of a single weeks creation may not be the correct interpretation of the scripture. It does nothing to assist or detract from my faith though. Either way I still believe in God and his only son who was sent to pay for the sins of the world.

I am hardly concerned with where I came from but more concerned about where I'm going.

I have done much research into many different ideas, philosophies, governments, religions and so on. I see the natural laws of God plainly and the rules of man just as well. No matter how hard we try to establish a world of our own rules and regulations we can never erase the laws of God which will stand now and forever always.

I wish I had the time to define what it means by saying the natural laws of God.

The discovery of gravity and scientifically presenting in formula and equation is only man's understanding of what God has established. There are other natural laws of love and hate that exist within us that are not as easily defined. But, we do know when someone has done us wrong. THerein lies the natural laws of God.

As for the many "religions" in the world, all I know is I was lead to my understand through Jesus Christ and I have accepted it as truth. I am not wise enough, nor knowledgable enough to comment on what the other religions lead to as that is a road that wonders down a very long path. Only time will reveal to us what is true and what is not and I can only stay the course I've been lead to.





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quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Okay, Gods days are longer than Earth days. Since dinosaurs pre-dated man by many millions of years, we can logically come to the conclusion that God's day is millions of years long. Since man has been around for less than a million years, and on the seventh day He rested, He must still be resting and won't be through resting for millions of more years. That's a hell of a long time we have to wait for the Apocalypse!

That's what I'm trying to point out. God is not governed by time nor does he have "days." His throne in Heaven doesn't revolve around a big sun giving the light of day and the darkness of night. (He is the light - spiritually speaking.)

If we wait a million years until the end of time or not, then what is it to us who are here and now in this generation?

I'm a "Christian" and believe in the Loch Ness Monster, not just dinosaurs. Hell I even believe in Aliens and that they have atleast visited our planet for observation.

quote:Originally posted by Interest

That's what I'm trying to point out. God is not governed by time nor does he have "days.

If the Bible says He has days, then He has days; it's that simple.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

If the Bible says He has days, then He has days; it's that simple.

I can't argue with you..what I meant though is he is not governed by our 24 hour day.

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

I believe every bit of it. Although Genesis is an inherited belief in my opinion. It was given to us from Judaism and because Jesus came from the Jewish lineage we also accept that the "truth" predates Jesus's ministry on earth.

Although, I accept that it is possible for God to create the universe and all that is in it in a single earth week, scientific discovery is showing something else. Therefore, prudence tells me that the idea of a single weeks creation may not be the correct interpretation of the scripture. It does nothing to assist or detract from my faith though. Either way I still believe in God and his only son who was sent to pay for the sins of the world.

I am hardly concerned with where I came from but more concerned about where I'm going.

I have done much research into many different ideas, philosophies, governments, religions and so on. I see the natural laws of God plainly and the rules of man just as well. No matter how hard we try to establish a world of our own rules and regulations we can never erase the laws of God which will stand now and forever always.

I wish I had the time to define what it means by saying the natural laws of God.

The discovery of gravity and scientifically presenting in formula and equation is only man's understanding of what God has established. There are other natural laws of love and hate that exist within us that are not as easily defined. But, we do know when someone has done us wrong. THerein lies the natural laws of God.

As for the many "religions" in the world, all I know is I was lead to my understand through Jesus Christ and I have accepted it as truth. I am not wise enough, nor knowledgable enough to comment on what the other religions lead to as that is a road that wonders down a very long path. Only time will reveal to us what is true and what is not and I can only stay the course I've been lead to.





Could you please explain to me what God is and what God's son is, in enough detail so that I may understand?

quote:Originally posted by Interest:



Now as for dinosaurs pre-dating man - the bible is in agreement. Woman was the very last thing created after man thus mankind is the last created thing. All other things were created before man. Land dwelling animals, sea creatures, birds in the sky, vegetation on earth, the atmoshpere, the sun..etc.



but regardless of the meaesure o time used, creation is still a lil confizzling... i mean he created light before he created the stars... :S

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Could you please explain to me what God is and what God's son is, in enough detail so that I may understand?



Do you understand the difference between the spiritual and the carnal? Or how the body is governed by the spirit? It is the products of ones body that testifies about ones spirit. If you understand this then I can begin to explain Jehovah / God / IAM / YHWH / etc.

quote:Originally posted by Sarith:

but regardless of the meaesure o time used, creation is still a lil confizzling... i mean he created light before he created the stars... :S

Without a doubt I agree. There is a lot of room for assumption in regards to the Genesis account of our origins. But, it doesn't say God created all lights on the first day but, just light to seperate day and night.

Now, I don't want to be gullable and just mindlessly agree to whatever I read. But, we can't say the account is false since science has yet to prove otherwise. In fact I can see how some ideas of darwinism meet with Genesis to an extent.



Science has yet to prove the origins of the universe - we do know there is a day and a night - we do know there is plants, water, animals, humans on the earth. I really can't find any error in the Gensis account.

What I mean is if it said something like man was created first then big giant talking mushrooms ruled the earth I could see the fantasy.

However, the Genesis account is, for the most part, in line with modern discovery. Of course this is going to breed debate until the end of time though.

[/quote]Originally posted by Interest

I can't argue with you..what I meant though is he is not governed by our 24 hour day.[/quote]

But you would agree that however long His day is, the next day would be equally as long, wouldn't you?

^ But He doesn't live on earth. An earth day would be different from one of His days.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Originally posted by Interest

I can't argue with you..what I meant though is he is not governed by our 24 hour day.[/quote]

But you would agree that however long His day is, the next day would be equally as long, wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]



If all I knew is earth days and looked at eternity from that perspective I may agree - However, I don't believe eternity is marked for termination - much unlike the bible account that says there will be an end of time.

If the days of our lives are marked for an end and the number of hairs on our head are numbered but in eternity there is no concept of time or death or distance or speed or ..etc... the eternal is not governed by the ways of the earth.

How would I know how to comprehend what a day to God is?



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quote:Originally posted by Interest:



Do you understand the difference between the spiritual and the carnal? Or how the body is governed by the spirit? It is the products of ones body that testifies about ones spirit. If you understand this then I can begin to explain Jehovah / God / IAM / YHWH / etc.



Please Explain Part 1: Difference between Spiritual and Carnal, and then I'd enjoy it if you explained Part 2: Explanation of IAM.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Please Explain Part 1: Difference between Spiritual and Carnal, and then I'd enjoy it if you explained Part 2: Explanation of IAM.

Carnal = the physical universe and world and all the things in it including the pleasures and pains.

spiritual = the place where all things internal come out from. The spirit of a man can be seen by the fruits of his labor.

A good man produces good and a bad man produces bad. These have little to do with a righteous man as that man lives by faith. Meaning he lives to please God and not himself.

As for IAM

"14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:14(KJV)

14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

Exodus 3:14(NIV)

It is a name God used for Himself even soon after calling Himself Jehovah.





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quote:Originally posted by Interest:

Carnal = the physical universe and world and all the things in it including the pleasures and pains.

spiritual = the place where all things internal come out from. The spirit of a man can be seen by the fruits of his labor.

A good man produces good and a bad man produces bad. These have little to do with a righteous man as that man lives by faith. Meaning he lives to please God and not himself.

As for IAM

"14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:14(KJV)

14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

Exodus 3:14(NIV)

It is a name God used for Himself even soon after calling Himself Jehovah.







What is God and what is the relation between Carnal and Spiritual and where is God? What is the connection between Carnal, God, and Spiritual.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

What is God and what is the relation between Carnal and Spiritual and where is God? What is the connection between Carnal, God, and Spiritual.



Refering to God as "What" is a mindtrap. He can't be though of as a "what" but a who. You should ask "who is God?"

The rest of your questions are part of the same. In the book of Gensis God speaks about His Spirit hovering over the creation. In Exodus, it says He has manifested Himself in human form and appears before Moses. Where is God? He is everywhere - omnipresent.

I tried to explain the connection between the carnal and spiritual in my previous post. The connection is what is in the heart transfers out into our deeds. Do we love our neighbor or not?



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quote:Originally posted by psychedelicious:

Do you believe in Dinosaurs? We pretty much have proof that they existed like 60 million years before humans. So how is it that in the creation story, God created man after just a few days of creating earth? Where were the dinosaurs?

You dont have "proof" of anything living more than a few thousand years ago...