All Major Religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, as well as other religions such as Zoroastrianism, multiple ancient mythologies from around the world, Hinduism, and some branches of Buddhism believe in Extra Terrestrials by definition.

ex·tra·ter·res·tri·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kstr-t-rstr-l)

adj.

Originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere: intelligent extraterrestrial life.

Who are they? I don't mean space ship aliens, I mean:

an·gel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (njl)

n.

A typically benevolent celestial being that acts as an intermediary between heaven and earth, especially in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Zoroastrianism.

ce·les·tial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-lschl)

adj.

Of or relating to the sky or the heavens: Planets are celestial bodies.

Of or relating to heaven; divine: celestial beings.

These beings have appeared throughout history and mythology as being messengers from the heavens beyond Earth. Often warning of impending disaster, they are also in some cases responsible for bringing revelation as well as in some beliefs posessing people to speak the words of God. Other than their role as messengers, they have also been connected to the destruction of entire civilizations, intervening with mankind.

In the major religions they believe in and work for God, the All Powerful Creator of the Universe.

Here is a description of one of these beings from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament (Some believe this is a description of God or Jesus but the end of Revelation confirms it is indeed a Messenger of God, an Angel to whom John is communicating with, speaking the words of God):

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden acandlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged asword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

(The angel Returns at the destruction of Babylon and near the end when John begins to worship the angel the angel tells him not to, telling him that he is the fellowservant of God.)

In Judaism originally it was said Angels were witnessed descending from a staircase reaching up into heaven but later, perhaps due to Zoroastrian imagery, they developed the ability to fly and were depicted with wings.

In Islam angels are heavilly involved with Judgement Day and enforcing it. The Angel

(Gabriel) is also responsible for practically posessing Muhammed and making him speak the words of the Qur'an which include information which was not readilly available, especially to someone who could not read or write and was uneducated. This unlearned prophet is predicted in the Old Testament and the New Testament as one to have literally words put into his mouth (as the Qur'an describes) and "the book is sent to one Unlearned".

The Qur'an often refers to its revelations as "Our Communications" and is a warning to mankind about an eventual and sudden Judgement Day in which all will be Judged.

Scientologists on the highest levels believe eventually the Marcabians, the most powerful force in the Galaxy will attempt to conquer and enslave Earth as is predicted in the Book of Revelation and the Scientologists hope to fight them and avert Judgement Day (this is according to some websites)

Despite your belief in God, these beings have appeared throughout mythology with a similar agenda and if what the Qur'an says is true, will eventually come to Earth and overcome it, bringing Judgement Day.

(Outside of these major religions, there are from around the world mention of Celestial Beings which were before the creation of Earth sometimes having a hand in the process.)

Most people within the major religions don't realize that they infact have to believe in Extra Terrestrials in order to believe in their religions. Though some might say Angels belong to a spiritual realm they still fit into the category of Beyond Earth. The Books of the major religions always describe them descending from the heavens though, implying they are primarilly outside of Earth.



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H.P Lovecraft beat you to the idea.

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

H.P Lovecraft beat you to the idea.



Yep! It's a great idea, I really love it.

I wish aliens would land.

I had mainly hoped to clearify to members of all major religions that they do indeed believe in Extra Terrestrials. Furthermore that for Christians and especially Muslims, Judgement Day is practically the invasion of these Extra Terrestrials, though they work and enforce on behalf of the One God which they serve and worship.

Some people seem even more ready to believe the potential of an alien invasion from the heavens rather than ever place faith in God.

I would say that despite, if these beings are within the realm of truth, and speak the truth of their power and nature, that the wisest decision in preparation for their invasion, is to submit to their cause and do as they say. This is a matter of faith, for those without faith, these beings are not manifest nor a reality, and thus if and when the invasion comes, they threaten that those who disbelieved will be punished for their disbelief.

People say "Why would you believe in a God that punishes you for not believing in it?"

Despite the concept of God, the enforcers indeed claim to be those who work to help execute the punishment, and to believe as they believe, do as they say, according to them, is to triumph. Loving or Not Loving, if what they say is true, we are powerless to resist them upon their arrival.

When does an alien stop being an alien?

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I wish aliens would land.

Well according to what the aliens have to say in the Qur'an, if you're not a follower of their "communications" you will be punished horribly. They aren't so completely benevolent if what they say is true. People don't realize that the Qur'an literally claims to be the communication of an Extra Terrestrial speaking on behalf of God as the Messenger of God, to Mankind, namely the uneducated and illiterate Muhammed who apparently had no knowledge of what he said, (There was no Bible in Arabic though he spoke of revelations, and to top it off had scientific information completely impossible to know at that time, such as the expansion and eventual collapse of the universe, the layers of the atmosphere, and more.)

Do you really think that anyone would submit to an invasion? Lets face it the Americans would be like, "WTF! give up our freedom? fuck you! launch the nukes!!!" then every other country would be like, "Oh shit! If they're launching nukes then so are we!"

Then everyone dies.

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quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

When does an alien stop being an alien?

What do you mean?

quote:Originally posted by Source:

Do you really think that anyone would submit to an invasion? Lets face it the Americans would be like, "WTF! give up our freedom? fuck you! launch the nukes!!!" then every other country would be like, "Oh shit! If they're launching nukes then so are we!"

Then everyone dies.



Well according to the Extra Terrestrials, they shall simply make such a sharp sound that it kills all human beings, then they shall, and this is within their power, ressurect the humans, all of them, past and present, and having them in their grips (by their frontal lobes aka Forelocks) they will make them submit, sort them out, throw the evil ones in their hell which seems to be located on this planet and the paradise which also seems to be located on this planet.

Is it just me or has Abrahim lost it? His personal religion/philosophy was sweet yet naïve and ignorant, but now with his Lovecraftian claims of aliens that can kill us with their voice and no evidence whatsoever of any of the religions being correct, only faith, I think that it is time Abrahim moved in to Paranoid Delusions.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Well according to the Extra Terrestrials, they shall simply make such a sharp sound that it kills all human beings, then they shall, and this is within their power, ressurect the humans, all of them, past and present, and having them in their grips (by their frontal lobes aka Forelocks) they will make them submit, sort them out, throw the evil ones in their hell which seems to be located on this planet and the paradise which also seems to be located on this planet.

I don't see how aliens would claim they're here to force us to worship God, unless they were claiming to be that God, even then how does killing us and reviving us help them control us any better?

Seperating us on earth into sections also sounds silly, would it not be easier to just wipe out the "none believers" which lets face it would probably be 70% of the planet.

What possible reason would aliens have for making us their slaves? I'm sure their tech would be far my advanced and better to serve them than us.

Not to mention, why would they have left us unattended for the last 2000+ years, instead of maintaining control over us?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

What do you mean?

Exactly that, actually. Extra Terrestrials, those considered 'not bound to the earth', are still somehow 'bound to the earth' anyway, are they not?

Our moon is bound to the earth...etc...etc...etc...

Since all things are 'bound'...why are they considered 'Extra' [as in being 'outside of' or 'beyond' somehow]?

edit:

It is something I have been considering for some time now and it seemed appropriate here.

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Is it just me or has Abrahim lost it? His personal religion/philosophy was sweet yet naïve and ignorant, but now with his Lovecraftian claims of aliens that can kill us with their voice and no evidence whatsoever of any of the religions being correct, only faith, I think that it is time Abrahim moved in to Paranoid Delusions.

lol here is a rundown of 2 of Abrahim's wacky beliefs:

God is the Ultimate All Encompassing Reality.

Judgement Day will arrive as has been warned in revelations or communications from the "Extra Terrestrials" aka Angels.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

lol here is a rundown of 2 of Abrahim's wacky beliefs:

God is the Ultimate All Encompassing Reality.

Judgement Day will arrive as has been warned in revelations or communications from the "Extra Terrestrials" aka Angels.



I know your beliefs for the most part. But, I don't believe that the book of revelations has anything to do with this kind of 'judgement day'.

Everyone has their 'reckoning' and it happens in every moment of every 'day'.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I don't see how aliens would claim they're here to force us to worship God, unless they were claiming to be that God, even then how does killing us and reviving us help them control us any better?

Seperating us on earth into sections also sounds silly, would it not be easier to just wipe out the "none believers" which lets face it would probably be 70% of the planet.

What possible reason would aliens have for making us their slaves? I'm sure their tech would be far my advanced and better to serve them than us.

Not to mention, why would they have left us unattended for the last 2000+ years, instead of maintaining control over us?

Well according to the Extra Terrestrials they have not left Earth Unattended but their God is in constant attendance of Earth and they have been sent repeatedly with the message of their Lord to warn mankind.

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

Exactly that, actually. Extra Terrestrials, those considered 'not bound to the earth', are still somehow 'bound to the earth' anyway, are they not?

Our moon is bound to the earth...etc...etc...etc...

Since all things are 'bound'...why are they considered 'Extra' [as in being 'outside of' or 'beyond' somehow]?

edit:

It is something I have been considering for some time now and it seemed appropriate here.



Alright, yes, everything is bound and connected within the Infinite and Ultimate All Encompassing Reality. But some things are outside of Earth, such as Celestial Bodies aka The Planets. This means they are outside the atmosphere of Earth. Yes they are connected, as all things are connected, but they are not within the atmosphere of Earth, they are Extra Terrestrial. Angels seem to be described often if not always as originating Outside of Earth.

Are they really 'outside'?

That is what I question.

Maybe you can show me where 'heaven' is?

Just because they are 'foreign' to man, does that actually mean they are not somehow terrestrial as well?

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:



I know your beliefs for the most part. But, I don't believe that the book of revelations has anything to do with this kind of 'judgement day'.

Everyone has their 'reckoning' and it happens in every moment of every 'day'.

The Book of Revelation but more specifically, the Qur'an deals heavilly in a day of literal Ressurection and Judgement. Yes it is true that every day is a kind of Judgement Day, every moment.

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

Are they really 'outside'?

That is what I question.

Maybe you can show me where 'heaven' is?

Just because they are 'foreign' to man, does that actually mean they are not somehow terrestrial as well?

If you consider something outside of Earth's atmosphere as Terrestrial:

ter·res·tri·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (t-rstr-l)

adj.

Of or relating to the earth or its inhabitants.

Having a worldly, mundane character or quality.

Of, relating to, or composed of land.

Biology. Living or growing on land; not aquatic: a terrestrial plant or animal.

I'm just not convinced that they are outside of earths atmosphere.

or do they. and those certain sects of buddhism are hinduism in disguise.

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

I'm just not convinced that they are outside of earths atmosphere.

Well they might not be outside of Earth's atmosphere, there may be some within it too, but it seems to indicate they existed prior to Earth, thus Originating Outside of Earth's Atmosphere (as it didnt exist during their creation) according to most sources implications.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Well they might not be outside of Earth's atmosphere, there may be some within it too, but it seems to indicate they existed prior to Earth, thus Originating Outside of Earth's Atmosphere (as it didnt exist during their creation) according to most sources implications.

Well...since what is written is intended to apply to man, as we know it, it does make sense for things to be written from such a vantage point.

Within that line of thinking...the concept/idea/impulse always exists prior to the creation of anything. But, who's to say the exact order of things?

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

Well...since what is written is intended to apply to man, as we know it, it does make sense for things to be written from such a vantage point.

Within that line of thinking...the concept/idea/impulse always exists prior to the creation of anything. But, who's to say the exact order of things?

Please elaborate?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Please elaborate?

On the concept/idea/impulse?

If so...that's rather simple, I think. Every creative endeavor has it's conception point prior to its creation, don't you think?

As far as the former...what is written is for man's benefit. It would be senseless to have something written 'for the angels', and give it to man, don't you think?

Do you imagine there is a 'book' for the angels benefit? If there were, it would be written geared toward their level of capacity for understanding, living, etc., would it not?

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

On the concept/idea/impulse?

If so...that's rather simple, I think. Every creative endeavor has it's conception point prior to its creation, don't you think?

As far as the former...what is written is for man's benefit. It would be senseless to have something written 'for the angels', and give it to man, don't you think?

Do you imagine there is a 'book' for the angels benefit? If there were, it would be written geared toward their level of capacity for understanding, living, etc., would it not?



I don't think there is a book for the angels benefit because the last book seems to imply they lack a free will "knowing only what they are told" and doing only what they are told, so they don't seem to require a book of guidance in the way human beings might. It also seems to indicate in old and new scripture that Angels are the Messenger's of God whom bring news to people or warnings, as well as revelation from God.

Does anyone have any questions, comments, anything you would like to add?

What makes these extra terrestrials, so special? I mean what prevents God from direct communication with us? This is something I've never understood. Secondly why would God want or need us to worship him/her, other than to get a ego boost I don't see what he/she would get out of it.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

What makes these extra terrestrials, so special? I mean what prevents God from direct communication with us? This is something I've never understood. Secondly why would God want or need us to worship him/her, other than to get a ego boost I don't see what he/she would get out of it.

According to God and these beings that herald God's message, God does not afford any benefit or harm from your worship or disbelief, it doesn't effect God, God is self sufficient. But God for whatever reason sends these beings to warn and guide mankind to help the humans "better themselves" by doing right and not falling into transgression. For doing as God says is a benefit for humans rather than a benefit for God, according to God.

Any additional comments in relation to this subject?

The Subject being: All Major Religions from Christianity to Hinduism believe in Extra Terrestrials (by definition and I don't mean space aliens) which descend to Earth from the heavens and give men messages, or come with missions. Often depicted as benevolent they have also been depicted as forces of destruction on missions from God.

Does anyone have anything else to add to this or any comments?

I don't really believe Angels were some being that reside on some distant planet in the way Scientologists believe that the Marcabians exist but rather than Angels are a kind of spirit being that can manifest into the physical realm or exist in the realm of the unseen, but their depiction is often Celestial and Extra Terrestrial, "the angels descend".

In any case, most major religions agree out of all beings the Angels are the most loyal to their God. Angels do not seem to posess free will, and this is certainly the case in the religion of Islam where it clearifies that Iblis (Satan) was not an Angel but a creature known as a Jinnath (made of a substance like smokeless fire). In the Judeo Christian tradition Satan was an Arch Angel who rebelled against God, Islam disagrees and in Islam Satan is not the enemy of God but the enemy of mankind. In Zoroastrianism, Satan takes the form of Angra Mainyu the Principle of All Evil, and is in direct opposition to Ahura Mazda, the all benevolent force of Good. This was not the original case from the earlier scriptures of Zoroastrianism created by Zoroaster, he mostly focused on Ahura Mazda (Wise Lord) being the one and only God.

Soon Angra Mainyu was depicted as almost a force equal in power to the one God, a yin and a yang in constant conflict as seen in the rising and setting of the sun. Angray Mainyu was depicted as a gigantic serpent which may be the reason in which Satan appears as a Serpent in the Judeo Christian tradition of the story of Adam and Eve. Islam has no mention of a serpent.

Islam never directly states that Iblis = Shaitan but it does seem to imply they are one in the same, Shaitan being what whispers bad thoughts into people's minds and attempts to lead people astray.

Any...comments?

Have you read the Quran cover to cover?

quote:Originally posted by emisarre:

Have you read the Quran cover to cover?

Yes, many times, but I don't have it memorized.

quote:Originally posted by Jackketchs Muse:

When does an alien stop being an alien?

When it is worshipped as a diety.

quote:Originally posted by Nightshade:

When it is worshipped as a diety.

Well according to the Extra Terrestrials they do not ask to be worshipped but rather tell people to believe in their Lord, God, the Ultimate Originator and Sustainer of the Universe whom surrounds all things inside and out.

Of course, all of this relies on the presupposition that the religious texts claims of deities and miracles are true.

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quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Any...comments?

Where do the anal probes and

cattle mutilations fit in here?

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Of course, all of this relies on the presupposition that the religious texts claims of deities and miracles are true.



Yes.

Viraljimmy: They may or may not, I was mostly referencing to the definition of Extra Terrestrials and how members of almost all the major religions must believe in them if they are to believe in their own religions.

Why does this remind me of Eric Von Daniken and "Chariots of the Gods"?

quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

Why does this remind me of Eric Von Daniken and "Chariots of the Gods"?

Yeah after I thought of this idea (which isn't a new idea) I found on wikipedia an article on Eric Von Daniken but he seems to be referencing to literal "Space Men" with space suits and space ships and then shows many examples.

I'm talking about Angels as being Beyond Terrestrial or Extra Terrestrial, seemingly created before the formation of Earth or its atmosphere and that most religious people believe in them or celestial beings in order to believe in their religion, accepting extra terrestrials, though if asked if they believe in extra terrestrials they might think of space aliens and automatically say not.

I don't completely agree with what is proposed by EVD though its a great idea, perhaps people from our future travel back in time, astronauts manage to travel back, or aliens from another world alter the course of history...but none of these ideas are what I'm stating.

I'm stating simply that almost all major religions believe in Celestrial Extra Terrestrial Beings, in the major 3 those beings are refered to as and depicted as Angels, Messengers of God.

The Qur'an does not clearly depict a descent but in the Old and New Testament angels are depicted as Extra Terrestrial and Descending to Earth.

Any comments?

Very good food-for-thought.

quote:Originally posted by Zay:

Very good food-for-thought.

Thank You!

Of course aliens exist.

But there still is no almighty creator, that is an energy field wich is easily called a god because people don't understand it.

What would happen if a very primitive species, like humans in the stoneage, were visited by aliens. Those humans would see the aliens as gods because of all their technology, but thats an illusion.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim

Any...comments?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim

Any comments?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim

Thank You!

Threads sometimes need to die a natural death. There is no need to continue to bump a thread because you want the conversation to continue and doing so is in bad etiquette. If everyone did this to a thread they started, this would be an unpleasant board to read.

quote:Originally posted by sh0x0rz3r:

Of course aliens exist.

But there still is no almighty creator, that is an energy field wich is easily called a god because people don't understand it.

What would happen if a very primitive species, like humans in the stoneage, were visited by aliens. Those humans would see the aliens as gods because of all their technology, but thats an illusion.

Yeah it would certainly look nice on celuloid but the Extra Terrestrials mentioned in the books of the major religion always seem to preach and promote a singular lord in comparison to being called Gods themselves.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I wish aliens would land.



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