If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.



Because we might as well have fun while we'll here jackass. Why do you think the guys who get drunk, high, then date rape seven women consecutively before offing themselves are always atheists?

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

I pity you if the only thing you have in your life worth living for is the thought of a supernatural being existing. How sad

originally posted by rust:"I pity you if the only thing you have in your life worth living for is the thought of a supernatural being existing. How sad"

Now where did I say that? the point being that theres nothign wrong with having both a beliefe and a good time on earth, at the very least you could fucking join a temple before you die.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

the point being that theres nothign wrong with having both a beliefe and a good time on earth

Now where did we say that?

Edit: Oh man, he lives in Texas too. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif) I can feel his stupidity bombarding me even as we type...

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Oh my god I live in texas...that automatically means i can't use a large vocabulary and have words like pretentious and countenance used in my sentences...oh no...

FUCK YOU.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:



Now where did I say that? the point being that theres nothign wrong with having both a beliefe and a good time on earth, at the very least you could fucking join a temple before you die.

Here:

"If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god...then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive."

If you have something more to live before besides a belief in a god, then so can the atheist. So either you don't have anything else to live for outside a belief in a god, in which case I pity you, or you do, in which case so can an atheist. Which one is it?

Both show how much of a fucking moron you are so you can throw a coin if you can't make up your mind.



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oh ok you want a paradox.

Here:

An aitheist wants to not believe in anything but a physical life then death, then theyre gone into nothingness. nonexistence. so, why don't they just commit suicide so they get there faste?

on the other hand, anyone, a jew for instance, would live to do yadayda then when they die they think how good they lived now they got something to go to.

HE WHO HAS THE MOST SHIT WINS, NOPE, CAUSE IT WON'T FOLLOW THEM

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

   Because then all that we have would be gone. If you believe in an afterlife why wouldn't you just kill yourself?

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

What complete and utter idiocy. Do you actually believe this nonsense?

How did you come to the rediculous conclusion that atheists have nothing to live for? Athiests understand that you only have one life to live. It would be stupid to waste the time you have.

Actually, if theists honestly believe in an afterlife, they should be more prone to suicide. As it would serve to free them of their earthly shackles, and hasten them to meet their Maker.



Note to all: Simply because this moron is from the great state of Texas, is in no way indicative that the remainder of Texans are as ignorant as he.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:



An aitheist wants to not believe in anything but a physical life then death, then theyre gone into nothingness. nonexistence. so, why don't they just commit suicide so they get there faste?



Because they have something in their lives worth living for. They enjoy their life, hence they don't want to commit suicide even though they might believe death would be nothingness. That's not a paradox, that's you being an utter moron who cannot grasp such a simple and elementary concept.



If there is any argument in favor of suicide in this whole thread, it's the existence of such a jaw-dropping amount of stupidity as the one you exhibit.

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quote:Originally posted by Siash:

Oh my god I live in texas...that automatically means i can't use a large vocabulary and have words like pretentious and countenance used in my sentences...oh no...

FUCK YOU.

Notice I said "too". As in, I live in Texas as well.

Think about it this way. Because you are a godbotherer, you believe in heaven.

So an atheist believes in nothing. That could be very scary for them, they enjoy their lives, and dont want to end it just yet.

Do you even have a brain up there? You are just as dumb as someone who tells you that you are a moron for believing in god.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard! Moron.

Edit: If your only purpose in life is God, then maybe you should kill yourself.

Do you honestly believe that your life is better and more important just because you're not an atheist?

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The muslims belive that Killing yourself will make you end up in heaven with 50 virgins, they kill themselfves all the time. The christians and jews belive that killing yourself takes you to hell, they don't Hindu belive that you have to LIVE according to moksha so that when yuo do die, you go to nirvana. so STFU and don't act like i don't know what im talking about. All i ever read in this forum is atheists beating on religion, so i decided to beat on atheists for a change, and youve all got your piece now. OWNED

actually Siash Nirvana is what the buddhists call enlightenment, it is not exactly a place either. Moksha is what the hindus call it(i think).

and only one sect of muslims believe that. because we don't see abrahim killing himself.

address this answer it was the best that i have read

"Because then all that we have would be gone. If you believe in an afterlife why wouldn't you just kill yourself?"

EDIT:the only stupid atheists i have met are the ones who complain about small things about religions(the ones that complain about stuff like, they should run mail on sunday, and stuff like that.)

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actually, nirvana is a term for more than one thing, secondly, some religons belive that killing yourself is a nono. THATS WHY

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

Iwhats stopping you from killing yourself?

Joy of life?

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

I never understood logic like this. To me its like you get a big bowl of ice cream and saying "What?!?! I don't get an unlimited amount I better throw it all out now"

I smell a troll...

Regardless, not all atheists live under the assumption that there is only nothingness awaiting us in death. You fail.

http://tinyurl.com/mhgh3 -Moksha http://tinyurl.com/qgqfo -Nirvana

definitions for both and in none of them do they talk about a place.

you never said what religion you were, so how were we to know?

Why would an atheist have nothing to live for? why not live for the present? live for the now? and if an afterlife of some form does exist then when they die they will find out. if they live a just and moral life and die wouldn't they go to heaven? or some other afterlife that rewards the good?



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Poor trolling.

oh what a popular word prozak, trolling. anyways it doesn't matter all I have to say is I'm glad were arguin over atheism rather than god doesn't exist now.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

They don't want to die or kill themselves because they don't believe they will live again. Religious people believe life continues so they might not see death as a total end.

They don't have any purpose to life greater than simply living, perhaps achieving goals which they have set for themselves, but they wouldn't want to kill themselves since they wouldn't have another life.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

... so STFU and don't act like i don't know what im talking about. All i ever read in this forum is atheists beating on religion, so i decided to beat on atheists for a change, and youve all got your piece now. OWNED



No one is acting like you don't know what you are talking about. It's obvious that you know very little.

When exactly may we expect you to begin your beating on the atheists? As of yet you have only presented the ramblings of an angsty , pre-pubescent kidiot. By displaying your ignorance, you have OWNED no one but yourself.

Come back in a couple of years when you have matured enough to understand what constitutes a legitimate argument.

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Sadly, most theists have about this guy's level of understanding.

What constitutes a legitimate argument is one person going up to another person and going fuck you. Thaat being said, I don't have to be steven Hawkings to argue with the likes of you, third, the whole point of this thread was to rile up a bunch of no afterlife believers because I am sick and tired of a Religious person geting called ignorant and pitiful. So you can take all your arrogant reproachful flippant bullshit because I could give less a damn.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

oh what a popular word prozak, trolling. anyways it doesn't matter all I have to say is I'm glad were arguin over atheism rather than god doesn't exist now.

Well, your whole argument is so flawed that I naturally assumed that you were just trolling to rile people up.

I guess I give you too much credit.

Edit: oh yeah, thanks for spelling "prozak" properly (if you can call it that), you get 5 points.

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Your welcome.

quote:Originally posted by Siash

the whole point of this thread was to rile up a bunch of no afterlife believers

Which does indeed mean that you're (which means "you are" by the way) a troll.

so that makes

religous trolls=1

atheist trolls=384576464583

k, thanks

Sorry, but until you find proof of atheist trolls on this board, don't give silly, made up numbers.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

What constitutes a legitimate argument is one person going up to another person and going fuck you. Thaat being said, I don't have to be steven Hawkings to argue with the likes of you, third, the whole point of this thread was to rile up a bunch of no afterlife believers because I am sick and tired of a Religious person geting called ignorant and pitiful. So you can take all your arrogant reproachful flippant bullshit because I could give less a damn.

I have never stated that all believers are ignorant and pitiful. However, the description does fit you quite well. People responding to your posts does not equal them being riled.

You really suck at trolling.

Well now your acting like I'm doing something I'm not doing then saying something I said and putting it comletely out of context WITH no proof but the whole point is it doesn't matter

quote:Originally posted by Siash

Well now your acting like I'm doing something I'm not doing then saying something I said and putting it comletely out of context WITH no proof but the whole point is it doesn't matter

Well said.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

Well now your acting like I'm doing something I'm not doing then saying something I said and putting it comletely out of context WITH no proof but the whole point is it doesn't matter

Sorry kiddo, but no one is accusing you of anything you are not guilty of. Per your post:

quote:...the whole point of this thread was to rile up a bunch of no afterlife believers because I am sick and tired of a Religious person geting called ignorant and pitiful.

That, my friend , is trolling.

As far as it being taken out of context, your posts are there for everyone to read. The context is clear. The proof is staring you in the face.

You are correct on one point though: it doesn't matter.

so he ignores my post completely, as well as a few others.

how is he saying something out of context when he quoted your whole post and what other context is there for rileing up a bunch of no afterlife believers? you r post was the proof.

Siash, from where does God derive his motivation to exist, if one must require some external "higher" force bestowing possible rewards for certain actions to find purpose?

To answer your own question:

If the universe is impersonal,what would be best for us at this point is to try to overcome it's impersonal nature through our ability to reason and understand.It's a good enough purpose for me, at least; I won't speak for the other atheists on these boards.

The way I see it, you think that without God, there is no "higher" purpose. You are correct. However, just because there is no "higher" purpose does not mean there is no "broader" purpose we as humans can establish on our own for the betterment and extension of our lives and the lives of those around us.



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My cat doesn't believe in god.

Wonder why he hasn't killed

himeself yet?

Siash, you made a complete ass out of yourself. Just because someone's an athiest doesn't mean they don't deserve to be alive, dumbass. Anyone who isn't an Athiest has his/her own beliefs, but those are beliefs, not their lives, beliefs.

And this:

"My cat doesn't believe in god.

Wonder why he hasn't killed

himeself yet?"

How the hell do you know what your cat does/doesn't believe in?



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quote:Originally posted by Siash:

the whole point of this thread was to rile up a bunch of no afterlife believers because I am sick and tired of a Religious person geting called ignorant and pitiful.

Only a few times have i heard atheists call religious people ignorant and pitiful in this forum. the only ones that get called ignorant and pitiful are the douche bags who think they are right and everyone else is wrong when half the time they dont know shit about what they are talking about. it seems you dont either, you lose at life and i hope die with your dick in your hand and a rope around your neck. PWN3D!!

An intelligent, open-minded Atheist has the common sense and ability to admit the chance of being wrong. A Believer does not (or will not, rather).

God [supposedly] gave us free will, but we'd be just as free if humans had occured by chance.

Sometimes life sucks for Believers.

Sometimes life's good for Atheists.

Why don't we all kill ourselves and see what happens.

On second thought, let's all live and see what happens.

I'm tired. http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif)

quote:Originally posted by anonymouslyaware

How the hell do you know what your cat does/doesn't believe in?

Yeah. I just got a double whammy. Last week I found out that not only is my cat a devout Catholic; he's a goddamn Republican!

Actually in the early years of Christianity martyrdom was a way to get to heaven.

They then changed the "rules" because there were too many suicides - pretty ad hoc if you ask me, but that is no different than most religions.

Muslims believe that religious martyrdom (as in Jihad) will get you to heaven.

I'm an atheist. I'm here, one way or another, and i feel best when i'm happy. Therefore the meaning of my life is to make myself happy.

Im atheist, so STFU and GTFO TOTSE, you christian Homo Bitch!

quote:Originally posted by Zinkovich:

Siash, from where does God derive his motivation to exist, if one must require some external "higher" force bestowing possible rewards for certain actions to find purpose?

To answer your own question:

If the universe is impersonal,what would be best for us at this point is to try to overcome it's impersonal nature through our ability to reason and understand.It's a good enough purpose for me, at least; I won't speak for the other atheists on these boards.

The way I see it, you think that without God, there is no "higher" purpose. You are correct. However, just because there is no "higher" purpose does not mean there is no "broader" purpose we as humans can establish on our own for the betterment and extension of our lives and the lives of those around us.





Zinkovitch you don't have an e-mail listed so apologies to the tr .. er, Siash, for using this thread. Then again maybe it's for the best because, whilst some of the other posters were proving Siash's not so subtle points by shouting insults, Zinkovitch has quite succinctly stated some of the most persuasive reasons for atheism I have yet seen. Well done!

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Zinkovitch has quite succinctly stated some of the most persuasive reasons for atheism I have yet seen. Well done!

Atheism (as in 'non-theism') doesn't require any reasons, persuasive or not. The burden of proof lies upon the theist who asserts the claim "God exists" to give definitive proof that something fitting the description of God actually does exist.

Theists have failed to fufill this burden of proof and therefore Atheism, being the default unassuming position is the rational choice.

I consider myself justified in labelling anyone who would choose any other position other than the rational choice as ignorant.

quote:Originally posted by Daz:

Atheism (as in 'non-theism') doesn't require any reasons, persuasive or not. The burden of proof lies upon the theist who asserts the claim "God exists" to give definitive proof that something fitting the description of God actually does exist.

Theists have failed to fufill this burden of proof and therefore Atheism, being the default unassuming position is the rational choice.

I consider myself justified in labelling anyone who would choose any other position other than the rational choice as ignorant.



You are correct in thinking atheism does not hold the burden of proof. This, however, does NOT mean that one should not consider the implications of living in a universe without a godhead, and checking for paradoxical inconsitencies in one's logical framework, which is all I was trying to help the OP do.

There is also a big difference between calling someone "ignorant" and going "Get the fuck out you stupid mongoloid religious nut". Please keep in mind the best way to cure ignorance is with reason and facts, and NOT ridiculous posturing of any kind.

Redzed, thanks for the compliment, I guess.

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If atheists are so dumb, then why are we more intelligent on average (or at the very least have quantitatively higher reasoning skills).

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quote:Originally posted by Siash:

The muslims belive that Killing yourself will make you end up in heaven with 50 virgins, they kill themselfves all the time. The christians and jews belive that killing yourself takes you to hell, they don't Hindu belive that you have to LIVE according to moksha so that when yuo do die, you go to nirvana. so STFU and don't act like i don't know what im talking about. All i ever read in this forum is atheists beating on religion, so i decided to beat on atheists for a change, and youve all got your piece now. OWNED

Suicide is not allowed by Islam

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O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!

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If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for Allah.

No where in the Qur'an are 50 virgins promised and that isn't the reason why people kill themselves.

The Jews don't believe in Hell really and don't believe that suicide takes one to hell.

Hindu people believe that when they die their soul will be reincarnated. Suicide isn't so uncommon in India.

Buddhism believes in attaining a state of Non Being, sometimes thought of as bliss, known as Nirvana which is the escape from suffering, if one does not attain Nirvana and transcend Reality they are reincarnated.

There are lots of Atheists in this forum but there are also people who claim to be part of various religions who attack other religions and sometimes atheistic ideas.

Why would an atheist want to kill themselves? They would be the ones to fear death the most because they don't believe in second chances or new lives most of the time, then again they don't believe they have to answer to any higher being at the end of it all.

Buddhists and Hindus may have a belief system which makes suicide seem not so bad as they have an infinite amount of second chances, though in extended belief systems added on both religions they encounter certain penalties for wrong acts, like hell, but it is still temporary.

Modern Judaism has in many cases removed heaven and hell and they also believe primarilly in the life of this world.

Christians believe that if you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior all sins are forgiven and you enter heaven. Catholics believe suicide leads to hell because there is no way to ask for forgiveness if one takes their own life. Some Christians believe hell is temporary.

In Islam suicide is not allowed and Islam has a strongly enforced belief in Judgement Day and Eternal Hell. Some Muslims believe that hell is temporary but the Qur'an confirms it is not.

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And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"

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Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide.

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This because they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days": For their forgeries deceive them as to their own religion.

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Then how will it be when We shall gather them together on a day about which there is no doubt, and every soul shall be fully paid what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly?

If a person reads the Qur'an they certainly will not feel brave enough to take their own life for any cause as they know that they will have to pay in full for their violent deed. Suicide Bombers are not Muslims nor are they following the Qur'an, Suicide Bombing is a reaction to Political and Economic depression as well as many other factors, religion is less of a factor in truth as they are not following the religion they claim to be following in the first place.

Atheists and Many Modern Jews would be the least likely to want to kill themselves for the very reason that neither have a strong sense of an afterlife.

Christians may kill themselves, hoping that someday they may be forgiven and allowed into heaven eventually.

Hindus and Buddhists, due to believe in an infinite amount of possible reincarnations, may feel the most free to expend their life, knowing that they will be reborn.

Muslims who truly understand their religion would fear to do anything that would cause them to be judged in the wrong on Judgement Day, fearing a hell in which there is no escape.

Palestinians didn't invent suicide Bombing.

Judaism has a history of suicide.

Many people around the world who kill themselves believe that they will be dead forever, this is why they kill themselves, to escape and find eternal rest.

For a Muslim, they are told that death seems only like a few hours of sleep, even if one was dead for millions of years, suicide to find peaceful rest would be pointless, especially with the looming threat of Judgement and Hell around the corner.

Those who believe in Reincarnation may be the most likely to feel free enough to expend their lives.

Those who disbelieve in an afterlife of any kind may be the next to feel free to kill themselves, if they wish to sleep forever due to depression or in an attempt to escape.

Those who believe in Judgement and Hell are the least likely to kill themselves as it is a very dangerous risk.

There are plenty of reasons to live other than for god...

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

The thought of annoying all of you Jesus freaks by being alive is speeding up the atheist scientist's quest for immortality.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

I pity you if the only thing you have in your life worth living for is the thought of a supernatural being existing. How sad

i applaud you for that.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

Most aethiests (me once being one) live to enjoy what they can out of life and wouldn't off themselves simply because dying is a scary thought.

Who wants to die if in the end there's absolutely nothing.

Sure, it won't matter once you die because you won't be able to feel anything, but thinking of that while alive has a scary effect.

I agree with the many posters who said this that aethiests are among the most open minded individuals out there.

I don't know what type of music you guys listen too, but I figure this song is relative to this topic.

Enjoy (http://tinyurl.com/rxkl7).

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

I don't have anything to live for. But its not because i don't believe in anything. I don't kill my self becasue it would cause pain to my family.

I am ashamed this kid comes from my state and makes the rest of us look like dumbasses..... damn you kidiot!

All that i could say has been said

lets all agree the thread is over.

quote:Originally posted by iSoape:

I am ashamed this kid comes from my state and makes the rest of us look like dumbasses..... damn you kidiot!

Dont worry i feel your pain. im from texas too http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

why dont i kill myself?

simple, i am looking to have a good time during my life. I have found love (and fuck your definition of love, its not universal religous shit). I have found flesh pleasure. And I am thinking how I can better human kind.

thats why you christan shit.

This thread was over at Rusts post.

This thread was over when he misspelt "atheist" in the first post.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

so that makes

religous trolls=1

atheist trolls=384576464583

k, thanks

Where the hell did those extra 380 billion people come from?

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

If atheists are so dumb, then why are we more intelligent on average (or at the very least have quantitatively higher reasoning skills).



Where are your sources for this? Have you quizzed every person in the fucking world? Don't make posts about shit you know nothing about. Show me some fucking proof about this statment.

it was actually in a thread a whil back and it showed that most countries that have an average higher iq, are less religious, naturally this wasnt the case for all the countries.

EDIT: here it is: http://tinyurl.com/h7ctq as you can see there seems to be a negative correlation between how many people think religion is important and average iq. the people who say religion is important are the religious people(like devout christians) and the people who don't are either atheist or just dont think religion is important.

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Atheists although not neccesarily suicidal, have never sat well with me for a couple of reasons.

1. They deny any afterlife for us and call us foolish to believe in one and yet without the concept of an afterlife of some form or another, the world would be absolute chaos. I say this because most atheists who say the world would be a better place because of the people who generally don't believe(Scientist's, Educators, Celebrities, Totse Members, etc.) would be the population of the planet but quite frankly the idea that there is someone watching us (other than the government-fuckin rats) and promising a world outside of ours is what keeps most people from killing and looting in the streets, and do you know why? Because most people are (not neccesarily stupid) dependent. Consider what would happen if all of a sudden everyone in the world was told that Theft,Rape,Murder,and general chaos were no longer forbidden and to do to their hearts content because i'm sure that the fear of God is what keeps most of the masses from doing such acts. To deny God or an afterlife is to kill hope.

2. What good does it do you? can you honetly say that the fear of god had been holding you back from doing what you wanted (just short of killing as i mentioned before). Following His Path can be an enlightening experience or a precautionary measure in case we're right. Ex. I don't believe in aliens and yet i wont argue anyone against them because apart from having no proof for my part , i'd just as well not be called wrong in the unlikely event someone finds proof.

quote:Originally posted by Original_Pranksta89:

Atheists although not neccesarily suicidal, have never sat well with me for a couple of reasons.

1. They deny any afterlife for us and call us foolish to believe in one and yet without the concept of an afterlife of some form or another, the world would be absolute chaos. I say this because most atheists who say the world would be a better place because of the people who generally don't believe(Scientist's, Educators, Celebrities, Totse Members, etc.) would be the population of the planet but quite frankly the idea that there is someone watching us (other than the government-fuckin rats) and promising a world outside of ours is what keeps most people from killing and looting in the streets, and do you know why? Because most people are (not neccesarily stupid) dependent. Consider what would happen if all of a sudden everyone in the world was told that Theft,Rape,Murder,and general chaos were no longer forbidden and to do to their hearts content because i'm sure that the fear of God is what keeps most of the masses from doing such acts. To deny God or an afterlife is to kill hope.

Argument from consequence is a fallacy, Godboy.

quote:2. What good does it do you? can you honetly say that the fear of god had been holding you back from doing what you wanted (just short of killing as i mentioned before). Following His Path can be an enlightening experience or a precautionary measure in case we're right. Ex. I don't believe in aliens and yet i wont argue anyone against them because apart from having no proof for my part , i'd just as well not be called wrong in the unlikely event someone finds proof.

You don't need to prove the negative if no evidence exists for the positive.

I really hate people that don't understand logic.

quote:Originally posted by Original_Pranksta89:

Atheists although not neccesarily suicidal, have never sat well with me for a couple of reasons.

1. They deny any afterlife for us and call us foolish to believe in one and yet without the concept of an afterlife of some form or another, the world would be absolute chaos. I say this because most atheists who say the world would be a better place because of the people who generally don't believe(Scientist's, Educators, Celebrities, Totse Members, etc.) would be the population of the planet but quite frankly the idea that there is someone watching us (other than the government-fuckin rats) and promising a world outside of ours is what keeps most people from killing and looting in the streets, and do you know why? Because most people are (not neccesarily stupid) dependent. Consider what would happen if all of a sudden everyone in the world was told that Theft,Rape,Murder,and general chaos were no longer forbidden and to do to their hearts content because i'm sure that the fear of God is what keeps most of the masses from doing such acts. To deny God or an afterlife is to kill hope.

2. What good does it do you? can you honetly say that the fear of god had been holding you back from doing what you wanted (just short of killing as i mentioned before). Following His Path can be an enlightening experience or a precautionary measure in case we're right. Ex. I don't believe in aliens and yet i wont argue anyone against them because apart from having no proof for my part , i'd just as well not be called wrong in the unlikely event someone finds proof.

some things you've revealed in this post:

1) everyone needs a supreme being to keep them from going on a killing spree

2) you're taking the pussy way out. you just "don't want to be wrong"

in response to point one, it is complete bullshit. perhaps you need fear of eternal damnation to keep you from raping, murdering, stealing, etc, but i certainly do not. if this logic were true, then wouldn't we see all the athiests in the world doing these things already, since they do not recognize an afterlife or a supreme being?

point 2: so you devote yourself to god because that gives you an edge if there is a heaven? lets play the numbers, shall we? imagine there are 1000 religions/cults/misc. belief systems in the world that recognize an afterlife. you chose christianity. you have a 1 in 1000 chance of christianity being the "right" religion, and you going to heaven. an athiest has a 0 in 1000 chance. while you are still infinitely more likely to be "saved" than an athiest, you still only have a 1 in 1000 chance. those are pretty low odds. i would rather just say fuck to the whole thing, and live my own life, especially since there is no evidence whatsoever to support there being an afterlife.

Actually if you consider that we cannot logically derive the nature of God, God could be an infinite number of things by nature.

Your lifestyle has a 1 in infinity chance of being God's preference, and that goes for whatever lifestyle you live - even if you're a rapist and a murderer.

Pascal's wager is complete shite for this reason.

And as I've said many times before, intellectualism kind of destroyed the notion that you can choose a belief anyway, so it's redundant to say that you can just become theistic to give yourself "the edge".

Pranksta 89:

1. Again, not all atheists deny the possibility of an afterlife. Why is this so hard to understand? One glaring example is Buddhism. Atheism denies a deity. It is not a strict denial of all forms of spirituality.

You honestly believe that the only reason that society hasn't torn itself apart is due to a fear in God? People are stupid; this is true. However, even the most simplistic understand that there are consequences to their actions (in this life, not the next).

2. The majority of this world's religions do possess meaningful teachings. However, it boils down to common codes of ethics and morality, not a terrible fear of retribution. One can be a truly good and honest individual, following the teachings of various religions, without actually worshipping nor being terrified by the prospect of divine judgment.

quote:Originally posted by Dextros:

Where are your sources for this? Have you quizzed every person in the fucking world? Don't make posts about shit you know nothing about. Show me some fucking proof about this statment.

http://tinyurl.com/qdc0

Fuck man, Thanks.

I think i'll go kill myself...

Because Hanging with friends, Parties, Sex, Drugs, and plain living life to it's fullest isn't worth it due to the fact that some Douche says that i have no point to life because i don't beleve what a book tells me..

Mhmm That makes sence..

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

Yeah, you're right of course!

/me gets the razors.

I still can't believe these people exist..

I live for many reasons, Siash. One of these is to show people, such as yourself, just how ignorant they are. However, it is apparent that my fellow atheists have already done so.

I've been reading this thread and a few others and I have noticed something. Some atheists strongly hold the idea that no deities exist, while others just don't give a crap whether one exists or not. Often in intelligent (maybe not this one) threads/arguments, an atheist will speak on behalf of all atheists about their personal beliefs, even though atheism isn't a formal group like religions.

There's one form of an afterlife that we can all agree on and believe in. That our actions upon this planet, what we've done for mankind, lives on after we're gone.

That is an afterlife that every atheist can live for and that I wish religous people as well would put more emphasis on in their lives incase they were wrong. I wish the atheists that think its worth it just to live for drugs and sex would put more emphasis on it too. The future of humanity is our afterlife.

I would think that people who do good things without the fear of eternal damnation are perhaps better than the ones who do good things because they think some god is going to chop their dick off if they dont go to the church link sale.

I love how religous people always have to bash atheists, why dont they just live and let live.

wow This guy is a fucking idiot. Did you/your family vote for Bush by any chance too?

quote:Originally posted by Original_Pranksta89:

without the concept of an afterlife of some form or another, the world would be absolute chaos...

Consider what would happen if all of a sudden everyone in the world was told that Theft,Rape,Murder,and general chaos were no longer forbidden and to do to their hearts content because i'm sure that the fear of God is what keeps most of the masses from doing such acts.

Are you for real? That's amazing.

So without religion, you would be

raping and murdering right now?

Because nobody would care if you

killed their dad or raped their

daughter, since no god told them

it was wrong.

And without the fear of hell,

you wouldn't have any problem

with personally carrying out

these horrible atrocities.

But what would it matter?

Without religion, humans are

all pitiful cruel worthless

creatures anyhow. Might as well

burn them all alive.

quote:Originally posted by Siash:

If your aitheist, and you don't belive in god, or the existence of life after death, or in any form of a higher purpose, including but not limited to all modern poular religions, then whats stopping you from killing yourself? Because you obviously have nothing to live for, therefore you shouldn't be alive.

how about people who believe in god believe in a better afterlife in "heaven" so go fuk urself dipshit and die

the reason athiests dont commit suicide is so they can further the will of harry chalmers

no but really, not believe in the afterlife is really just all the more incentive to live your life to the fullest (if you look into LaVeyen satanism this really takes that notion to the extreme i like to call it uber selfishness) either way your entire argument is stupid.