As I know christianity better than any other religion, I'll use that as my example.

Many christians I know are good, intelligent and reasonable people. I'm going to assume that many of you are as well.

Those christians (the good ones) seem to share the belief that human sin is impossible to avoid as we're all inherently flawed and such. Sin should be avoided as much as possibly, obviously, as those are rules that your god would prefer you follow. It just can't be avoided entirely.

Other christians though.. seem to me to be hypocrites.

A little background on me and my surroundings: I'm a college kid. Bisexual, dislike the entire idea of marriage and practice polygamy. I've lived my entire life in a "cowboy" state, painted red up and down by christians weilding shotguns and getting shitfaced every friday. Oddly enough, we were the first state to let women vote.

'Kay.

Onto the hypocrisy. Certain religious groups believe that homosexuality is a sin. Well.. most of them do. Which is fine. A good portion of those groups publicly talk about the homosexual "problem" and how to fix said problem. A good portion of those people (keep in mind I'm surrounded by college-aged hicks) partake in the acts of premarital sex with many different partners on a weekly basis.

Now my question: What do you, the assumed reasonable christians, think of people that want to persecute people for sinning against their god when they themselves are doing the same?

Is it not as bad as it seems, because there are different "levels" of sin? Or do you just.. not like those people?

I am not of those resonable christians just a resonable man.

And to you I say, "You're absolutely right."

If a person wishes a different lifestyle then you that is non-threatening and non-violent then let them do that. And if these so called resonable Christians think that homosexuality is a curse because it is a sin then they should persecute all other religions because it is a much bigger sin to renounce the Godliness of Jesus then to practice homosexuality.

"it is a much bigger sin to renounce the Godliness of Jesus then to practice homosexuality" I mean isn't that the truth.

Which is worse a gay christian or a Muslim who renounces even the slightest possibility that Jesus is in fact the Creator of the Universe. I would persecute first the Muslim then the Gay. It only makes sense. Destroy the religion that would lead your people to a path of destructiveness then resolve the internal problems. Because after all a gay christian is still a christian.

Anywhoo I agree Zek. 100%

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[This message has been edited by hankletank (edited 09-03-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:



Many christians I know are good, intelligent and reasonable people.

Christianity precludes being reasonable.

quote:Originally posted by hankletank:



Thank you for clearing up the whole reasoning on the late-night "Gays for Jesus" show. What you said makes alot of sense.

quote:Originally posted by Cooking with Zyklon B:

Thank you for clearing up the whole reasoning on the late-night "Gays for Jesus" show. What you said makes alot of sense.

"I want to get down on my knees and praise you!

I want to feel your glory all over my face!"

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I pointed out the same thing to my mom, only I used a different (and much more broad example). I said, "Christians opposed embrionic stem cell research sooo much because they say they value life. Life is tooo valuable, even if sacrificing that "life" to save another life, one that actually has emotions, dreams, ambitions, friends, family, and self-awareness. Ok. Fuck kids with cancer. We can't let that embryo die! On the flip side, ten thousand children starve to death every day. What about their lives? Are they not as valuable? How can you be so "pro-life" you'll oppose a cluster of cells being destroyed to research technology that could heal kids with cancer, and yet you sit in your nice suburban house, in the big 'ole US of A, dining on delicious meals every night, while thousands of kids on the other side of the world starve to death.

"If life is so valuable to you that you're going to tell people with cancer, muscular distrophy, blindness, paralysis, and a plethora of other problems "Fuck you! An embryo is more important than you!" Why should they have to sacrifice their lives for your moral standards? If you value life so much, why don't you sell everything you have and devote your life to helping the 3.6 million kids that die from starvation every year?

"I'll tell you why: it's because you're insincere. You're a fraud. You say you're pro-life because it makes you feel good. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. But you don't really give a fuck about life. There are people dying every day that you could do something about. You could sponsor a kid. You could donate to money to organizations to feed kids. Already do that? Yeah? How much? 0.05% of you're income? Wow. Real sincere. Get off your pedestal and get down here with the rest of us. Admit the only people you really give a fuck about are your friends and family. And realize if any of them had any disease in which their life could be saved, you sure as fuck wouldn't tell them "No! An embryo is more important than you!""

And to top it off, here was her reply, "Yeah, I know! There are so many fake, insincere Christians out there. They aren't real Christians..."

Oh my fucking god. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

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[This message has been edited by Elephantitis Man (edited 09-03-2006).]

Hi, Here are some of my views on homosexuality and sex though I dislike certain acts performed between men and men and men and women which I do not differenciate between, accepting one over the other due to gender relations:

I'm against homosexual acts such as anal sex, oral sex, and whatever other hole they might stick it in that isn't a vanjiner.

Why? Well I believe that the anus isnt built for sex and the vagina is built for sex. One is for poo poo coming out, the other has a part for the pen pen to go in.

I'm against oral sex because I find it is degrading for both people who are a party to it. Why? Because you're getting down and sucking a penis with your mouth, how is that not degrading, and how is that an expression of true, mutual, respectful admiration and love for one another...What good man would let a woman or man do that to them? What good woman or man would do that to a man? It degrades the receiver of oral because he is allowing someone to degrade themselves for his personal pleasure instead of saying no and kissing them and showing affection properly. Same goes for licking vaginas.

I believe that Love is often a misused word and that most people don't even experience it truly with their mates, thus there are lots of break ups, divorces, and other things...people lack that true deep connection that real love is, it is like they don't know who they are with.

I am against bisexuality because I think they should make up their minds.

1.Make a list of your perfect ideal, every detail from looks to every detail about their personality and whatever else you want and then seek it out and don't settle for anything less.

2. When you meet someone and want to begin a relationship, ask them everything about themselves, absolutely everything so that you don't get any nasty surprises when things have gone too far.

3. Think you've found the right person? I don't believe that marriage means anything but that it is important that both parties are willing to make the leap to total comittment if they truly think they are one with each other...They should not have sex until they are totally married, if they hesitate to take the leap to total comittment then that says something about what they think.

4. You've met your ideal, found their past is acceptable and noticed in knowing them for a while now what they good and bad tendencies are and you feel safe, its perhaps been a few years you've been their best friend and they've been yours and have not seen other people and you've gotten married...Onto Sex!

Sex in my opinion is EXTREMELY PROFOUND, not by default but should be made as such.

Sex without true love is like a person masturbating in someone elses body, it is a disgusting and degrading act falling short of how beautiful intercourse could be.

Sex should be full of emotion, the most passion and intimacy, true love, the kind that doesn't fade in a passing fancy is what enables the best sex, true sex, when TWO PEOPLE CONNECT AND BECOME ONE WITH EACH OTHER IN A MOMENT OF EXTREME EMOTION FOR ONE ANOTHER. Not some guy humping a hole with a bag on his penis like some sick puppy dog...that is not what sex aught to be. Some people state "we are just animals" and this is true, but we are animals that have the ability to make things profound, and in my opinion sex should be held SACRED, in HIGH REGARD, and PRESERVED for TRUE LOVE only.

True love does not fade or dissapear no matter what, and this is why one must take precautions and find out who they are getting with completely, and test them for years before giving your whole essence and soul and being to them in marriage and in sex.

Lets Recap:

Homosexuality is wrong in its conduct, anal sex and oral sex...I don't think it is any more right for men to stick it in womens anuses or mouths either...The Anus is not built for sex it is where poo comes out of and it is a disrespect to ones own penis to stick it in a poop hole. To stick it in a mouth is degrading for both parties, the one recieving it is degrading himself by being accompany to someone who will give it, the one giving it is degrading themselves by sucking someones penis and acting low, this is not devotion or respect or an act of true love.

A man can love a man and a woman can love a woman...Do you express love for your father by sticking your penis in their anus? Do you express love for your mother by licking her vagina? I find it is dysfunctional and impossible to truly perform sexual intercourse with those of the same sex. The Vagina is built for the Penis, the Penis is built for the Vagina. You can love anyone, truly love them, and that does not have to mean you want to do gross things with them, if that is the case that is not love, that is something else.

Sex should be extremely meaningful and performed only with a true love, the kind that never leaves no matter what, whom you can entrust giving your whole soul, essence, and being to in an act of total connection where two become one filled with the most emotion and passion possible. Sex without love or with fake love is nothing but masturbating in someones body, it is not even close to real true meaningful sex.

Be careful who you go with and take all your precautions before giving yourself to them. Make sure you know them completely so that there are no nasty surprises later, observe them, even if it takes years to know them, it is worth knowing them entirely before giving yourself to them, sex and love should not be words or things that are fooled around with.

SEX SHOULD NOT ONLY BE PHYSICAL BUT MENTAL AS WELL. One can have the most passionate sex without ever even touching their partner using the power of the mind and mutually connecting. During the act of intercourse one should keep their mind involved as well, it helps to enhance the experience thoroughly.

So in Conclusion, FIND YOUR PERFECT MATCH! DON'T SETTLE FOR LESS, DON'T BE FOOLED BY IMPOSTERS, TEST THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE RIGHT! MAKE SURE IT IS TRUE LOVE, THE KIND THAT DOESN'T AND COULDN'T EVER FADE! MAKE SURE YOU BOTH BECOME ONE IN MARRIAGE AND PERFORM SEX WITH THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF EMOTION AND PASSION AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER, TRULY CONNECT PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY, BECOME ONE, LET YOUR ENTIRE BEING INTERMINGLE, YOU SHOULD GIVE EACH OTHER YOUR HEARTS, SOULS, AND MINDS! THAT IS TRUE SEX, THE ONLY REAL SEX, WHAT SEX SHOULD BE, VERY FEW PEOPLE ATTAIN THAT IN THEIR LIFETIME!



[This message has been edited by Abrahim (edited 09-04-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

"I want to get down on my knees and praise you!

I want to feel your glory all over my face!"

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I pointed out the same thing to my mom, only I used a different (and much more broad example). I said, "Christians opposed embrionic stem cell research sooo much because they say they value life. Life is tooo valuable, even if sacrificing that "life" to save another life, one that actually has emotions, dreams, ambitions, friends, family, and self-awareness. Ok. Fuck kids with cancer. We can't let that embryo die! On the flip side, ten thousand children starve to death every day. What about their lives? Are they not as valuable? How can you be so "pro-life" you'll oppose a cluster of cells being destroyed to research technology that could heal kids with cancer, and yet you sit in your nice suburban house, in the big 'ole US of A, dining on delicious meals every night, while thousands of kids on the other side of the world starve to death.

"If life is so valuable to you that you're going to tell people with cancer, muscular distrophy, blindness, paralysis, and a plethora of other problems "Fuck you! An embryo is more important than you!" Why should they have to sacrifice their lives for your moral standards? If you value life so much, why don't you sell everything you have and devote your life to helping the 3.6 million kids that die from starvation every year?

"I'll tell you why: it's because you're insincere. You're a fraud. You say you're pro-life because it makes you feel good. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. But you don't really give a fuck about life. There are people dying every day that you could do something about. You could sponsor a kid. You could donate to money to organizations to feed kids. Already do that? Yeah? How much? 0.05% of you're income? Wow. Real sincere. Get off your pedestal and get down here with the rest of us. Admit the only people you really give a fuck about are your friends and family. And realize if any of them had any disease in which their life could be saved, you sure as fuck wouldn't tell them "No! An embryo is more important than you!""

And to top it off, here was her reply, "Yeah, I know! There are so many fake, insincere Christians out there. They aren't real Christians..."

Oh my fucking god. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

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Well now there shouldnt be so much of a debate, they can harvest stem cells without killing the Embryo.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Blah blah blah.

What the hell does any of that have to with my post, or religion?

quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:

What the hell does any of that have to with my post, or religion?

It has to do with your mention of bisexuality.

I find it completely disrespectful to yourself and others you think its "mutual so its ok" I think its mutually wrong any participating and abusing the act of sex, making it out to be less than it is and should be.

You have no ideal, no idea of what you want in a partner? You should develop an idea and go for it, certainly then you will know if you're a heterosexual or a homosexual. Be specific with yourself, anything goes is not good enough for you is it? Is that how highly you hold yourself in regard? Don't waste yourself on all these people, define what the perfect match for you would be and don't settle for less, stop performing emotionless meaningless masturbation in other people's bodies. You are not living as a decent, dignified human being as you should be. Stop disrespecting your body, your mind, yourself, and others.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

It has to do with your mention of bisexuality.

I find it completely disrespectful to yourself and others you think its "mutual so its ok" I think its mutually wrong any participating and abusing the act of sex, making it out to be less than it is and should be.

You have no ideal, no idea of what you want in a partner? You should develop an idea and go for it, certainly then you will know if you're a heterosexual or a homosexual. Be specific with yourself, anything goes is not good enough for you is it? Is that how highly you hold yourself in regard? Don't waste yourself on all these people, define what the perfect match for you would be and don't settle for less, stop performing emotionless meaningless masturbation in other people's bodies. You are not living as a decent, dignified human being as you should be. Stop disrespecting your body, your mind, yourself, and others.

Maybe you should lurk in S&A for a while before telling me that I don't know what I want.

Quit trying to derail my thread to support your own popularity and agenda.

quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:

Maybe you should lurk in S&A for a while before telling me that I don't know what I want.

Quit trying to derail my thread to support your own popularity and agenda.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif) But...you know what I'm saying right? If you knew what you wanted in a person you wouldn't be a bisexual.

A person who claims to be religious but sins and is not religious is then a hypocrite.

The Bible and Qur'an are against Sodomy, Lewd Behavior, Fornication, and Adultery.

sod‧om‧y  /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

2. copulation with a member of the same sex.

3. bestiality (def. 4).

sod·om·y (sd-m) Pronunciation Key

n.

Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.

sod·om·y (sd-m)

n.

Anal copulation of one male with another.

Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

Copulation with an animal.

lewd (ld) Pronunciation Key

adj. lewd·er, lewd·est

Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful.

Obscene; indecent.

Obsolete.. Wicked.

for‧ni‧ca‧tion  /ˌfɔrnɪˈkeɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fawr-ni-key-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion

Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n

Function: noun

Etymology: Late Latin fornicatio, from fornicare to have intercourse with prostitutes, from Latin fornic- fornix arch, vault, brothel

: consensual sexual intercourse between a man and esp. single woman who are not married to each other; also : the crime of engaging in fornication —compare ADULTERY

NOTE: Where still considered a crime, fornication is classified as a misdemeanor.

fornication

n 1: voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other 2: extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations; "adultery is often cited as grounds for divorce" [syn: adultery, criminal conversation]

fornication

in every form of it was sternly condemned by the Mosaic law (Lev. 21:9; 19:29;

Deut. 22:20, 21, 23-29; 23:18; Ex. 22:16). (See ADULTERY.) But this word is

more frequently used in a symbolical than in its ordinary sense. It frequently

means a forsaking of God or a following after idols (Isa. 1:2; Jer. 2:20; Ezek.

16; Hos. 1:2; 2:1-5; Jer. 3:8,9).

a‧dul‧ter‧y  /əˈdʌltəri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-duhl-tuh-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -ter‧ies. voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

Main Entry: adul·tery

Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t&-rE

Function: noun

: voluntary sexual activity (as sexual intercourse) between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : the crime of adultery —compare FORNICATION —adul·ter·er /&-'d&l-t&-r&r/ noun —adul·ter·ess /-t&-r&s/ noun

Adultery

conjugal infidelity. An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a

married or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress. Intercourse

between a married man and an unmarried woman was fornication. Adultery was

regarded as a great social wrong, as well as a great sin. The Mosaic law (Num.

5:11-31) prescribed that the suspected wife should be tried by the ordeal of

the "water of jealousy." There is, however, no recorded instance of the

application of this law. In subsequent times the Rabbis made various

regulations with the view of discovering the guilty party, and of bringing

about a divorce. It has been inferred from John 8:1-11 that this sin became

very common during the age preceding the destruction of Jerusalem. Idolatry,

covetousness, and apostasy are spoken of as adultery spiritually (Jer. 3:6, 8,

9; Ezek. 16:32; Hos. 1:2:3; Rev. 2:22). An apostate church is an adulteress

(Isa. 1:21; Ezek. 23:4, 7, 37), and the Jews are styled "an adulterous

generation" (Matt. 12:39). (Comp. Rev. 12.)

The Bible and Qur'an consider your behavior Depraved:

de‧praved  /dɪˈpreɪvd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-preyvd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective corrupt, wicked, or perverted.

de·praved (d-prvd) Pronunciation Key

adj.

Morally corrupt; perverted.

You're not a hermaphrodite:

bi‧sex‧u‧al  /baɪˈsɛkʃuəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bahy-sek-shoo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. Biology. a. of both sexes.

b. combining male and female organs in one individual; hermaphroditic.



2. sexually responsive to both sexes; ambisexual.

–noun 3. Biology. an animal or plant that has the reproductive organs of both sexes.

4. a person sexually responsive to both sexes; ambisexual.

You should figure out what you want and go for it, when you figure out what you want you'll know if you want a perfect woman, or a perfect guy to have anal or oral sexual relations with.

quote:If you knew what you wanted in a person you wouldn't be a bisexual.

What a shockingly stupid thought to have.

Maybe bisexual people know exactly what they want from a person's intellect, but are sexually attracted to either gender? Hmm? Just maybe? Or perhapsn patently obviously.

Abrahim, this thread isn't about sexuality.

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

No religion is "better" than any other--there are no "chosen people". No nation or race or gender is any better than any other. This notion that some are better than others has caused almost all of the hatred, suffering, death, and needless pain in the world for thousands of years.

We are All One.

All paths lead to God--some are less ardous than others, however.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

No religion is "better" than any other--there are no "chosen people". No nation or race or gender is any better than any other. This notion that some are better than others has caused almost all of the hatred, suffering, death, and needless pain in the world for thousands of years.

We are All One.

All paths lead to God--some are less ardous than others, however.



ya well, you're wrong. na-na-na-naa boo-boo!

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

We are All One.

My balls itch. You feel my balls itch. You are one with my balls.