I hat it and I think its very wrong and sick? The bible said men and women. it was ADAM AND EVE AND NOT ADAM STEVE! I hope they never have gay maggiage in wisconsin I would run very fast out of here

I totally agree. That's why I hate my country (Belgium), we're one of the very few countries where it's legal for those fags to marry.

It makes me sick.

And you know what, within a few weeks our government will vote if homosexuals can adopt children. They'll prob. vote positive.

Fucking socialists.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't it already legal in Wisconsin? and besides if we all lived like the bible said we should we would be living in little mud huts, beating our wives, and killing our dinner but, who am I to challenge your way of life

close this thread plz

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't it already legal in Wisconsin? and besides if we all lived like the bible said we should we would be living in little mud huts, beating our wives, and killing our dinner but, who am I to challenge your way of life

and as to the reply above you say your government is voting but, then you say there socialist so tell me how can that be?

close this thread plz it's been done before

Gay marriage = Freedom of Religion.

Why the fuck should I care if two men or two women want to get married?

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

and besides if we all lived like the bible said we should we would be living in little mud huts, beating our wives, and killing our dinner but, who am I to challenge your way of life

If we lived like the Bible said, we'd be stoning all the college students partying on spring break, we'd be burning animals everyday to appease God's wrath, all sick people would have to live outside of towns in tents, and women would have to leave society and live in a river while on their periods.

aahhh... good times.

quote:Originally posted by AeroDynamic:

Why the fuck should I care if two men or two women want to get married?

Because two women making out is the gift that keeps on giving. Unless one of them is butch. Butch dykes arent attractive at all. Probably why they became butch dykes.

Schober316, stop placing your morality on other people. "sick" is a point of view.

Bigot

TROLL THREAD

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't it already legal in Wisconsin?

No, it isn't. Moron.

quote:and besides if we all lived like the bible said we should we would be living in little mud huts, beating our wives, and killing our dinner but, who am I to challenge your way of life

close this thread plz

You must have the bible confused with the quran.

Idiot.

Who gives a shit?

quote:Originally posted by buttthrax:

You must have the bible confused with the quran.

Idiot.

Read the damn book or look for some quotes. The Bible is hypocritical.

Not to mention those non-canonized books.

Personally I don't care what you like to put your cock in.

The Bible (or at least most interpretations/translations) says that same sex sex is a sin.

So they can't have a Christian wedding, but they can have a civil ceremony, which entitles them to certain rights of opposite sex couples.

Thats it, no big deal.

Gay marriage brings out all the bigots who love to parade around lies and stigmatize homosexuals. I find it to be rather disgusting.

I don't get why people can be against gay marriage, it's not like it affects them in any way.

quote:Originally posted by CC:

I don't get why people can be against gay marriage, it's not like it affects them in any way.

Well, if you consider what kind of person is actually making the issue of gay marriage apart of their life, while not gay themselves, you will realize that person has nothing in their own life to worry about. They have no business of their own. So they take it upon themselves to make other people's business their own.

In a way it affects them because they have no real issues of their own that significantly affects them. By human nature, we probably wouldnt be contempt if everything in our lives went our way. We need something to not go our way every once in awhile to appreciate when things do go our way by relative comparison.

Thats probably why we see these people always saying we are under attack. First it was the indian savages, then the nigger race, then it was the slants, then it was the nigger race again, then it was the womans movement, then it was the red octopus, then the dune coons, now just muslims in general, now the Godless gays, and now immigrants (just mexicans really).

People always saying they are under attack by something or someone, but in reality they have nothing to worry about. They just make it so they have something to worry about because they want something to worry about.

[This message has been edited by postdiluvium (edited 08-26-2006).]

I think in 100 years, societies will look back and be disgusted that gay marriage wasn't legal.

wow therer are lots of dumbasses on this site kill those motherfucker who like gay's

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't it already legal in Wisconsin? and besides if we all lived like the bible said we should we would be living in little mud huts, beating our wives, and killing our dinner but, who am I to challenge your way of life

close this thread plz

Way to be Kurdt. You assholes have no idea what the Bible really says about your crumby-ass religion. Oh, and we're not all doomed to hell because some dumb bimbo ate an apple.

There really isn't any good reason to be opposed to gay marriage. If the people who want to preserve the sanctimony of marriage actually cared about marriage, then they'd also make divorce illegal. The government has absolutely NO vested interest in who marries who. There would be no tax or financial issues. This isn't a threat to public health or safety.

Only bigots and retards are opposed to gay marriage.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:



Only bigots and retards are opposed to gay marriage.

QFT

FUCK THE BIBLE

Let see for starters? ummm..... Don't the bible that is kindao og gross? 2nd of and yes we are doomed because Eva ate that apple you stupid fuckard! 3rd people that don't follow the bible are fuckin dumb if you don't like what I am saying then go the another country fuckin retard= democratics fuck face! HAVE A NICE DAY!

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

Let see for starters? ummm..... Don't the bible that is kindao og gross? 2nd of and yes we are doomed because Eva ate that apple you stupid fuckard! 3rd people that don't follow the bible are fuckin dumb if you don't like what I am saying then go the another country fuckin retard= democratics fuck face! HAVE A NICE DAY!

We can't understand what you are saying. Well, I can't atleast. I'm either hoping English is your second language or you are somewhere around the age of 12.

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

Let see for starters? ummm..... Don't the bible that is kindao og gross?

Too illegible/couldn't read

quote:2nd of and yes we are doomed because Eva ate that apple you stupid fuckard!

Prove it.



quote:3rd people that don't follow the bible are fuckin dumb if you don't like what I am saying then go the another country fuckin retard= democratics fuck face! HAVE A NICE DAY!

What makes me so dumb? I don't follow the contradictory teachings of a book written thousands of years ago? At least I have some basis behind my arguments, all you seem to have is the limited voacbulary that allows you to call me a stupid fucktard and/or a fuckin retard.



[This message has been edited by piewalker101 (edited 08-27-2006).]

Wow i am gone for 3 months and this place managed to get shittier. The guy arguing that its against the bible doesn't know the the reason why it has it. Nor the people arguing against the bible argument know anything about it. Like the comment about about mud huts.

My reason for no gay marrage is the Roman Catholic reason. They can't have children and because of this the marrage never happend. (If one of your partners can't have kids you can apply for an anulment.)

quote:Originally posted by anthra22:

FUCK THE BIBLE

Especially considering it is incomplete.

Wow you guys are really stupid! I hope in 2008 we get someone whorse then then bush boo yea

As human beings one of the things we need to do is procreate. If we didn't do that we wouldn't be here. When we decide to do this we need a partner of the opposite sex and we need to make a huge commitment to stay with that person for the rest of your life. The commitment is called marriage.

When two gay people get together and don't have a baby, they aren't getting married, they're doing something else. So call it something else. And I'm certain that there are a handful of states where "civil unions" are aloud, and have been for a long time.

So why is this such a big deal? Why does this topic even come up? If we need reform, tell me what the problem is with the way we do things now.

Although religion is a thing of the past and this shouldn't be a religious issue anyway, the church does have some authority here because you need the church to marry you. And the church has every right to exist.

On a side not, I think it's very unhealthy for a person to be raised by same sex parents.

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

Wow you guys are really stupid! I hope in 2008 we get someone whorse then then bush boo yea

No one mentioned bush, but don't feel too bad, at least you learned how to type! Almost...

Gay marriage is gay.

you know i can actually see gay marriage as a way to save the world. The earth is incredibly over populated so if we had more gay couples who would adopt orphaned children the worlds population would decrease leaving, more food for starving nations, help out the poor who can't afford an abortion and other good effects. So if you don't support gay marriage then what good do you support?

quote:Originally posted by Frosty the Stoner:

Gay marriage = Freedom of Religion.

By making gay marriage legal it would infringe apon other peoples religion. I can imagine a couple of faggots walk into a church, asked to be married, get turned away becuase that church doesn't approve, and then sue that pants off that church because they were discriminated against. /thread

I don't much care what people do behind closed doors. As long as they don't try and hit on me, or make out on the street, I see no reason to not let faggots marry. I don't like thinking about it, and it sounds pretty sick to me, but it's not up to us to decide who they can and can't marry.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

By making gay marriage legal it would infringe apon other peoples religion. I can imagine a couple of faggots walk into a church, asked to be married, get turned away becuase that church doesn't approve, and then sue that pants off that church because they were discriminated against. /thread

Too bad they'd then be attempting to infringe on the church's right to freedom of religion, and lose the case.

Duh.

And what fucktard said you need a church to get married? I'm not even touching that bullshit.

I see nothing wrong with the idea of a Civil Union. This would give gay couples the same rights in the eyes of the state, without necessary having to have approval or recognition of a church. This makes it so that no religious group has any right to complain as it has nothing to do with them.

Of course if your religious sect or group supports a same sex union, that’s no problem.

Wow you guys are funny!

Schober316 you really like your bible dont you? Sounds like it's the only thing you've been putting your dick in. More often then not homophobes are really in denile of their own homosexuality.

Good thing the "good book" thinks for you so you dont have to have an opinion of your own.

Let's all take a moment to remind ourselves once again that the United States is NOT a THEOCRACY. It is a DEMOCRACY (although a very poor one)

It's been proven that people become gay because of a chemical imbalance in the womb before they're born, so it's not really a choice that they like the same sex. Saying they can't get married is like saying, "hey you're black, you can't get married" which I'm sure some of you out there are saying anyways.

People who are against it are just damn homophobics. Isn't that a thing to be afraid of... Agreeing with the genius from above, i think in 100 years people will look at gay marriage like women's voting rights, and be like "wow we were bastards back then."

By the way, back in the Jesus/bible days, it was considered holy to have sex with the same gender.

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

it was ADAM AND EVE AND NOT ADAM STEVE!

Wow, I bet you feel really clever making that statement. That's the most overused (and not very clever) excuse against gay people. How the hell does anyone even begin to debate someone as dense as you?

And as far as "it's a choice", "it's not a choice" goes, why does it matter? If it is a chemical imbalance, okay. But if it's not, and people choose to be gay, who are we to judge them for it? It's their choice. (I'm of the "not a choice" opinion btw.)

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

Wow you guys are really stupid! I hope in 2008 we get someone whorse then then bush boo yea

First of all you are saying we are stupid. Second, you are saying we should have someone worse than Bush to lead the free world. Third... ahhh, nevermind. You troll.

quote:Originally posted by Fuzzball3000:

I don't much care what people do behind closed doors. As long as they don't try and hit on me, or make out on the street, I see no reason to not let faggots marry. I don't like thinking about it, and it sounds pretty sick to me, but it's not up to us to decide who they can and can't marry.

It could also stop the spread of AIDS. 2 married fags are at least ideally fucking only eachother, unless they don't view mairrage as str8 people do.

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

Let's all take a moment to remind ourselves once again that the United States is NOT a THEOCRACY. It is a REPUBLIC

fixed.

quote:Originally posted by buttthrax:

Gay marriage is gay.

QED

quote:Originally posted by kayjen:

By the way, back in the Jesus/bible days, it was considered holy to have sex with the same gender.

Where did you hear this one?

The things I do with women (sometimes 2 at a time if I'm lucky) is downright perverted, I'll be the first one to say that. Its all consentual and I'm reasonably sure legal, so what gives me right to tell two gay men they can't do somthing that makes ME uncomfortable? Nothing. The people fighting it are emotionally troubled by homosexuality originally.

I don't like the idea of two men having sex, or even kissing but, I despise the idea of denying someone marriage based on sexual preference.

A political argument would have been more welcome in this forum, OP. As it stands, it's a religious argument. Off to MGBTSOOYG it goes.

-=Sephiroth=-

The legal contract of marriage and the marriage ceremony are two seperate things.

If you want to ban it on Christian grounds then you should also be opposing Muslim weddings, Buddhist weddings, Hindu weddings, and atheist weddings.

Of course that would never happen because it's so fucking retarded even to consider. But then so is banning gay marriage.

quote:Originally posted by postdiluvium:

Because two women making out is the gift that keeps on giving. Unless one of them is butch. Butch dykes arent attractive at all. Probably why they became butch dykes.

Why are they attracted to me...I make them feel like women again I guess...*butch dyke swoons*

I'm against homosexual acts such as anal sex, oral sex, and whatever other hole they might stick it in that isn't a vanjiner.

Why? Well I believe that the anus isnt built for sex and the vagina is built for sex. One is for poo poo coming out, the other has a part for the pen pen to go in.

I'm against oral sex because I find it is degrading for both people who are a party to it. Why? Because you're getting down and sucking a penis with your mouth, how is that not degrading, and how is that an expression of true, mutual, respectful admiration and love for one another...What good man would let a woman or man do that to them? What good woman or man would do that to a man? It degrades the receiver of oral because he is allowing someone to degrade themselves for his personal pleasure instead of saying no and kissing them and showing affection properly. Same goes for licking vaginas.

I believe that Love is often a misused word and that most people don't even experience it truly with their mates, thus there are lots of break ups, divorces, and other things...people lack that true deep connection that real love is, it is like they don't know who they are with.

I am against bisexuality because I think they should make up their minds.

1.Make a list of your perfect ideal, every detail from looks to every detail about their personality and whatever else you want and then seek it out and don't settle for anything less.

2. When you meet someone and want to begin a relationship, ask them everything about themselves, absolutely everything so that you don't get any nasty surprises when things have gone too far.

3. Think you've found the right person? I don't believe that marriage means anything but that it is important that both parties are willing to make the leap to total comittment if they truly think they are one with each other...They should not have sex until they are totally married, if they hesitate to take the leap to total comittment then that says something about what they think.

4. You've met your ideal, found their past is acceptable and noticed in knowing them for a while now what they good and bad tendencies are and you feel safe, its perhaps been a few years you've been their best friend and they've been yours and have not seen other people and you've gotten married...Onto Sex!

Sex in my opinion is EXTREMELY PROFOUND, not by default but should be made as such.

Sex without true love is like a person masturbating in someone elses body, it is a disgusting and degrading act falling short of how beautiful intercourse could be.

Sex should be full of emotion, the most passion and intimacy, true love, the kind that doesn't fade in a passing fancy is what enables the best sex, true sex, when TWO PEOPLE CONNECT AND BECOME ONE WITH EACH OTHER IN A MOMENT OF EXTREME EMOTION FOR ONE ANOTHER. Not some guy humping a hole with a bag on his penis like some sick puppy dog...that is not what sex aught to be. Some people state "we are just animals" and this is true, but we are animals that have the ability to make things profound, and in my opinion sex should be held SACRED, in HIGH REGARD, and PRESERVED for TRUE LOVE only.

True love does not fade or dissapear no matter what, and this is why one must take precautions and find out who they are getting with completely, and test them for years before giving your whole essence and soul and being to them in marriage and in sex.

Lets Recap:

Homosexuality is wrong in its conduct, anal sex and oral sex...I don't think it is any more right for men to stick it in womens anuses or mouths either...The Anus is not built for sex it is where poo comes out of and it is a disrespect to ones own penis to stick it in a poop hole. To stick it in a mouth is degrading for both parties, the one recieving it is degrading himself by being accompany to someone who will give it, the one giving it is degrading themselves by sucking someones penis and acting low, this is not devotion or respect or an act of true love.

A man can love a man and a woman can love a woman...Do you express love for your father by sticking your penis in their anus? Do you express love for your mother by licking her vagina? I find it is dysfunctional and impossible to truly perform sexual intercourse with those of the same sex. The Vagina is built for the Penis, the Penis is built for the Vagina. You can love anyone, truly love them, and that does not have to mean you want to do gross things with them, if that is the case that is not love, that is something else.

Sex should be extremely meaningful and performed only with a true love, the kind that never leaves no matter what, whom you can entrust giving your whole soul, essence, and being to in an act of total connection where two become one filled with the most emotion and passion possible. Sex without love or with fake love is nothing but masturbating in someones body, it is not even close to real true meaningful sex.

Be careful who you go with and take all your precautions before giving yourself to them. Make sure you know them completely so that there are no nasty surprises later, observe them, even if it takes years to know them, it is worth knowing them entirely before giving yourself to them, sex and love should not be words or things that are fooled around with.

SEX SHOULD NOT ONLY BE PHYSICAL BUT MENTAL AS WELL. One can have the most passionate sex without ever even touching their partner using the power of the mind and mutually connecting. During the act of intercourse one should keep their mind involved as well, it helps to enhance the experience thoroughly.

So in Conclusion, FIND YOUR PERFECT MATCH! DON'T SETTLE FOR LESS, DON'T BE FOOLED BY IMPOSTERS, TEST THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE RIGHT! MAKE SURE IT IS TRUE LOVE, THE KIND THAT DOESN'T AND COULDN'T EVER FADE! MAKE SURE YOU BOTH BECOME ONE IN MARRIAGE AND PERFORM SEX WITH THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF EMOTION AND PASSION AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER, TRULY CONNECT PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY, BECOME ONE, LET YOUR ENTIRE BEING INTERMINGLE, YOU SHOULD GIVE EACH OTHER YOUR HEARTS, SOULS, AND MINDS! THAT IS TRUE SEX, THE ONLY REAL SEX, WHAT SEX SHOULD BE, VERY FEW PEOPLE ATTAIN THAT IN THEIR LIFETIME!

quote:Well I believe that the anus isnt built for sex and the vagina is built for sex.

I punched my optician.

Glasses just aren't natural, dammit!

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:

I punched my optician.

Glasses just aren't natural, dammit!

Glasses help the eyes to see, what does sticking a penis in the anus help the anus with? Good comparison my friend. Opticians need punches though sometimes and that comparison does make sense.

Sticking a Penis in an Anus is like Punching an Optician.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Glasses help the eyes to see, what does sticking a penis in the anus help the anus with?

Uh, pleasureable feelings I assume. Otherwise no one would want to do it and it wouldn't be an issue.

quote:Originally posted by Jaimie:

Uh, pleasureable feelings I assume. Otherwise no one would want to do it and it wouldn't be an issue.

Some people might derive pleasure out of cutting themselves, does that make it wise, or ok?

Tearing their poop holes with penises shouldn't be something pleasurable, if it is, I'd say the person has some issues they need to resolve. It is not only degrading but also painful and harmful to the anus as well since it tears, plus its a POOP HOLE. The Ear is for taking in sounds, the anus is for pooping out poop, the vagina is for taking in a penis, the urethra is for pushing out pee, the mouth is for taking in food and pushing out sound, the nose is for taking in air and smelling, the eye is for taking in visual information, the pores are for cooling.

So its ok for a person to derive pleasure out of harming themselves or others if both mutually agree that it is right? It is ok to beat someone up if the other person wants it, to cut oneself, to tear the skin, to vomit excessively if one derives pleasure from it?

Some people derive pleasure from making themselves vomit.

Some people derive pleasure from being bone thin so they don't eat.

Some people derive pleasure out of hurting people or themselves or cutting people or themselves.

Some people derive pleasure out of degrading themselves or others or performing disgusting demeaning acts.

Some people derive pleasure out of sticking something in a place that is not built for sex.

Some people are sick and need to find out what is really wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Some people might derive pleasure out of cutting themselves, does that make it wise, or ok?

Tearing their poop holes with penises shouldn't be something pleasurable, if it is, I'd say the person has some issues they need to resolve. It is not only degrading but also painful and harmful to the anus as well since it tears, plus its a POOP HOLE. The Ear is for taking in sounds, the anus is for pooping out poop, the vagina is for taking in a penis, the urethra is for pushing out pee, the mouth is for taking in food and pushing out sound, the nose is for taking in air and smelling, the eye is for taking in visual information, the pores are for cooling.

So its ok for a person to derive pleasure out of harming themselves or others if both mutually agree that it is right? It is ok to beat someone up if the other person wants it, to cut oneself, to tear the skin, to vomit excessively if one derives pleasure from it?

Some people derive pleasure from making themselves vomit.

Some people derive pleasure from being bone thin so they don't eat.

Some people derive pleasure out of hurting people or themselves or cutting people or themselves.

Some people derive pleasure out of degrading themselves or others or performing disgusting demeaning acts.

Some people derive pleasure out of sticking something in a place that is not built for sex.

Some people are sick and need to find out what is really wrong.

If humanity had applied this belief to everything, we'd be stuck living as cavement.

"Trees are for holding the sky up, NOT FOR BURNING!"

quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:

If humanity had applied this belief to everything, we'd be stuck living as cavement.

"Trees are for holding the sky up, NOT FOR BURNING!"

From burning a tree one derives fire which derives heat. How is burning a tree for warmth the same as sticking a penis in a poop hole and calling it sex?

Glasses help a person to see.

Fire helps a person keep warm and see in the night.

Anal sex tears the anus and makes the penis smell like poo, but some insane people derive pleasure from that, others may derive pleasure out of mutilating kittens or cutting their skin or causing pain on themselves or hurting their body with alcohol or drugs that doesn't make any of these things right and that doesnt make them as largely beneficial as glasses for those who have trouble seeing and harvesting controlled fire from wood which allowed people to stay warm and see at night.

Does sticking a penis in your tiny anus help you to see at night?

The comparison makes sense right? Can't see? Stick a penis in your anus.

Certainly those who are blind find it completely acceptable.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

From burning a tree one derives fire which derives heat. How is burning a tree for warmth the same as sticking a penis in a poop hole and calling it sex?

Glasses help a person to see.

Fire helps a person keep warm and see in the night.

Anal sex tears the anus and makes the penis smell like poo, but some insane people derive pleasure from that, others may derive pleasure out of mutilating kittens or cutting their skin or causing pain on themselves or hurting their body with alcohol or drugs that doesn't make any of these things right and that doesnt make them as largely beneficial as glasses for those who have trouble seeing and harvesting controlled fire from wood which allowed people to stay warm and see at night.

Does sticking a penis in your tiny anus help you to see at night?

The comparison makes sense right? Can't see? Stick a penis in your anus.

Certainly those who are blind find it completely acceptable.



My somewhat subtle point was that you assume we already know all there is to know about everything.

The cavemen (in my ficticious story) think that if you cut the tree down, the sky will fall.

Just as you think that anal sex is detrimental to the health of people.

Research eventualy found that the trees don't hold up the sky, and to burn them yielded heat, which was good. Later research revealed that we need plants for oxygen, and need to keep growing more trees.

Current research suggests that if done properly, anal sex does not damage the body. Some reseach even suggests that when men partake in the act, it helps to ward off prostate cancer.

To say that "The ass is for shitting!" is like saying the trees are for burning. Yes, both are true, but many other things are also true of said items.

Most of which, we probably don't know yet. Humans are always learning new things about everything.

Well then, if you are all quite finished with your blind faith arguments and random logic, I will be happy to provide downright science to prove you all wrong.

The fact of the matter is this; all animals are, in the natural state, bisexual. There are natural deformities, being homosexual or heterosexual (these are the extremes), and there are those heterosexuals who are this way due to religion.

Science shows us that when we are born, every human develops using a certain balance of estrogen AND testosterone, thus attracting us to both genders to certain degrees depending on said balance. Thus, only in extreme cases of imbalanced hormones are any animals actually heterosexual or homosexual.

This is proven in any animal domain you wish to study. The only natural use for heterosexual sex is reproduction; likewise, the only use for homosexual sex is pleasure. Thus, we see a natural balance of both genders in sexual relationships as a completely natural and normal thing.

On the topic of marriage we see much debate. In the end, marriage itself is only naturally beneficial to the female. The best chances for a male to reproduce is to have many partners, thus making marriage an illogical action. However, females have the best chance for reproduction when there is a male to protect the child, showing that marriage is a much more logical solution for the pregnant female. Therefore, marriage is only a good solution for a pregnant female; if any marriage is allowed, then all marriage must be.



[This message has been edited by Enlightend1_Truth (edited 09-04-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I'm against oral sex because I find it is degrading for both people who are a party to it.

You do. That doesn't mean others do; your opinion is not law.

quote:Why? Because you're getting down and sucking a penis with your mouth, how is that not degrading, and how is that an expression of true, mutual, respectful admiration and love for one another...What good man would let a woman or man do that to them? What good woman or man would do that to a man? It degrades the receiver of oral because he is allowing someone to degrade themselves for his personal pleasure instead of saying no and kissing them and showing affection properly. Same goes for licking vaginas.

You've got it all wrong. It's a show of love: I give pleasure to her without recieving any direct stimulation myself! I do something that feels good to her without expecting anything back, because I love her, and it gives me pleasure to know that I am doing something nice for someone I love. It's not degrading; it's something fun, healthy, and pleasurable done by two consenting parties. How can anyone object?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Glasses help the eyes to see, what does sticking a penis in the anus help the anus with? Good comparison my friend. Opticians need punches though sometimes and that comparison does make sense.

Sticking a Penis in an Anus is like Punching an Optician.



Regular ejaculation reduces the risk of prostate cancer.

A healthy sex life reduces stress and can add years onto your life expectancy.

quote:Originally posted by PerpetualBurn:



Regular ejaculation reduces the risk of prostate cancer.

A healthy sex life reduces stress and can add years onto your life expectancy.

Sticking a penis in the anus is a healthy sex life?

Also to Enlightened Truth, if all humans were bisexual then why didn't we evolve as hermaphrodites with both sexual reproductive organs? THE ANUS IS WHERE THE POO COMES OUT FROM, THERE ARE NO OVARIES IN THERE, YOU CAN NOT BEGET A CHILD BY EJACULATING IN THE ANUS UNLESS ITS MR.HANKY THE CHRISTMAS POO.

NOW READ THIS YOU SICK CHILDREN OF THE CORNHOLE.

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-01-04

http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/answers/quest554.html

"The receptive partner (the "bottom") is at particular risk of physical trauma, especially as it relates to bleeding. One way of reducing (but not eliminating) the problems of physical trauma and bleeding during anal sex, is to use a lot of lubrication during anal sex."

http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/answers/quest411.html

SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK!

ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND? THIS IS A DISGUSTING ABOMINATION! NOT ONLY IS IT DEGRADING AND DEMEANING AND PAINFUL CAUSING TRAUMA BUT IT IS JUST A HORRIBLE THING! THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING? STICKING A PENIS INTO A TIGHT LITTLE POOP HOLE! GOD DAMNIT! STOP IT!

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html

You sicken me, Abrahim.

Some people like anal sex Abrahim. It's not hurting you so butt out.

quote:Sticking a penis in the anus is a healthy sex life?

Yes. I thought I made that perfectly clear.

And there are risks associated with any recreational activity. Even risks of physical trauma involved in vaginal intercourse.

Anal sex is not degrading in any way. It is two people enjoying each other's body and as long as they are both consensual and taking precautions, it is a good thing.

Screaming about your distaste for it does nothing to change the facts.

quote:Originally posted by king koopa:

Some people like anal sex Abrahim. It's not hurting you so butt out.

It certainly isn't hurting me, for the very reason that I don't BUTT out, or rather, stick my butt out, to get a penis shoved in my pretty little anus! But it does hurt my feelings that people are so astray and hurt themselves, what is wrong with them? Can't they see that what they are doing is INSANE? It's an ANUS!

How is it NOT degrading? Its a person shoving their penis in someone elses poop hole, it is degrading for the individual performing it and the individual recieving it, why? because that's the poop hole! It's an act of disrespect to one's own body and the body of the other!

[This message has been edited by Abrahim (edited 09-04-2006).]

Pleasuring oneself and one's partner is simply not degrading in any way.

I'm afraid shouting like a moron isn't helping the point.

Well Abrihim, humans did not evolve as hermaphodites because if we had, reproduction would be near impossible. Most hermaphadites have much trouble reproducing, if they are able at all, therefore, it is biologically illogical.

I wonder how old you are, you seem determined to say that pleasure is wrong, however, I doubt you have ever experienced this sort of pleasure.

Please, for the sake of intelligence, do some research.

quote:Originally posted by Enlightend1_Truth:

Well Abrihim, humans did not evolve as hermaphodites because if we had, reproduction would be near impossible. Most hermaphadites have much trouble reproducing, if they are able at all, therefore, it is biologically illogical.

I wonder how old you are, you seem determined to say that pleasure is wrong, however, I doubt you have ever experienced this sort of pleasure.

Please, for the sake of intelligence, do some research.

So you've enjoyed anal sex?

Pleasure is not wrong, pleasure through pain and trauma is wrong.

There are no human hermaphrodites that have ever been known to truly be hermaphrodites. To be a True hermaphrodite one must posess both male and female reproductive organs.

It was a theory developed by Freud that humans are Bisexual by nature and I believe he was very wrong. We are evolved to be Heterosexual obviously, the vagina and ovaries/eggs are for the penis and sperm. The anus is for pooing, ejaculating in the anus is not what the anus is for, the anus is for poo coming out of. Do you need to do research to know that?

If you've enjoyed recieving a penis in your anus then congratulations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite

Fetal hermaphroditism in humans

Sigmund Freud (based on work by his associate Wilhelm Fliess) held fetal hermaphroditsm to be a fact of the physiological development of humans. He was so certain of this, in fact, that he based much of his theory of innate bisexuality on that assumption. This was later revealed to be untrue (see sexual differentiation).



[This message has been edited by Abrahim (edited 09-04-2006).]

quote:Pleasure is not wrong, pleasure through pain and trauma is wrong.

Anal sex doesn't involve pain and trauma any more than any other activity that might possibly cause injury.

Unless of course you advocate banning everything that carries a slight risk.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

some insane people derive pleasure from that



It's called an orgasm...

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Only bigots and retards are opposed to gay marriage.

Ahh, the old QFT stamp!

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

There really isn't any good reason to be opposed to gay marriage. If the people who want to preserve the sanctimony of marriage actually cared about marriage, then they'd also make divorce illegal. The government has absolutely NO vested interest in who marries who. There would be no tax or financial issues. This isn't a threat to public health or safety.

Only bigots and retards are opposed to gay marriage.

Are you calling God and his Prophets a bigot retard? God destroyed Soddom and Gamorrah because men weren't marrying other men? lol yeah ok.

Okay, moron, now is when you prove that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Abrahim, if everything in an infinity of infinities is god, including acts of anal and oral sex, how could anything be 'wrong'?

right and wrong are just perspectives. everything just is.

murder is wrong, in most minds. but not in everyones. does that make the majority right? no. but it dosnt make the psychos right either.

those who belive these acts are okay, are no more 'right' then you are. but that dosnt mean you are right either. personal opinons are ment to be kept personal.

besides, many women can only reach climax through oral sex. do you think these women do not deserve that?

Abrahim, oral sex can be very intimate. It shows that you trust the person enough to not feel degraded.

Some people enjoy anal. Is it that hard to understand?

Is there anything you enjoy? Like... lollipops? I mean, I don't like lollipops, but some people do. But you could choke on one... so maybe they should be banned?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Are you calling God and his Prophets a bigot retard? God destroyed Soddom and Gamorrah because men weren't marrying other men? lol yeah ok.

Well when a man gets married to another man, does it actually hurt you? Do you shed a tear in your sleep? If you answer yes then you actually have problems, but if not then you maybe should open your mind and accept that people have free will and therefore live their lives in different ways.

Plus, there is always the idea that God does not exist anyway; so what does it matter? I think that if people like you concentrated on the major issues in the world as opposed to gay marriage then things would actually get sorted. How can we have a unified, peaceful world when groups of people are squabbling over petty things?

quote:Originally posted by Schober316:

Let see for starters? ummm..... Don't the bible that is kindao og gross? 2nd of and yes we are doomed because Eva ate that apple you stupid fuckard! 3rd people that don't follow the bible are fuckin dumb if you don't like what I am saying then go the another country fuckin retard= democratics fuck face! HAVE A NICE DAY!



isnt it funny how you swear heaps and your bible and religion say you shouldnt... ha fucktard, go talk to some gay people and find out that they are not freaks

Gay marriage doesnt affect you in any way, you wont die from it, if its made legal you wont change in the slightest, just let the gays do their stuff and you do yours

fucktard pieface

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

Abrahim, if everything in an infinity of infinities is god, including acts of anal and oral sex, how could anything be 'wrong'?

right and wrong are just perspectives. everything just is.

murder is wrong, in most minds. but not in everyones. does that make the majority right? no. but it dosnt make the psychos right either.

those who belive these acts are okay, are no more 'right' then you are. but that dosnt mean you are right either. personal opinons are ment to be kept personal.

besides, many women can only reach climax through oral sex. do you think these women do not deserve that?

I can't say yes to this even though for the most part I understand what you are saying and believe it as true. I'm talking to you all as a human being, and I'm giving you my human opinion on this matter: Just how my human opinion states that self destructive behavior is wrong and hurtful, my human opinion is stating that sticking a penis in an anus is wrong because it is not the place for that, it tears, and it is degrading for both parties considering that is the place where one poops. Oral sex is also degrading for both parties because it is not a very affectionate show of respect. In my human opinion I believe no self respecting woman or man would sick a penis or lick a vagina and no self respecting man or woman would allow their partner whom they love and cherish to degrade themselves on their behalf for their pleasure. If a person needs oral sex then one might consider that there is something truly missing in this relationship that leads those in it to such demeaning self degrading acts in which they use their bodies simply as stimulation tools rather than having beautiful connected mutual proper vagina intercourse in which they connect.

Oral and Anal between men and women and men and men are by dictionary definition considered SODOMY and I'm against SODOMY, I am a human, this is my opinion.

In my belief, in this universe, on this planet, the law is things that are harmful for yourself or others and destructive or degrading are in many cases wrong for that person to do for many reasons.

Be dignified. Respect yourself. Respect your Mouth, Your Anus, Your Penis. There is a proper way to have sex because there is a proper place built for it. You don't speak out of your ear do you? That is because the mouth is the place from which you speak.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

Abrahim, oral sex can be very intimate. It shows that you trust the person enough to not feel degraded.

Some people enjoy anal. Is it that hard to understand?

Is there anything you enjoy? Like... lollipops? I mean, I don't like lollipops, but some people do. But you could choke on one... so maybe they should be banned?

Any man who lets a woman perform oral sex is not showing that woman the respect she deserves and any dignified and self respecting man would not let her put herself down in that way, he would be decent with her.

A penis is not a lollipop, it is where a man urinates and ejaculates from, putting your mouth on it doesn't transform it into a lolli.

A good respectful and dignified relationship wouldn't need such degrading parts in it, the man and the woman would kiss each other, hug each other, and then have proper vagina intercourse because that is what the parts are built for.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Well when a man gets married to another man, does it actually hurt you? Do you shed a tear in your sleep? If you answer yes then you actually have problems, but if not then you maybe should open your mind and accept that people have free will and therefore live their lives in different ways.

Plus, there is always the idea that God does not exist anyway; so what does it matter? I think that if people like you concentrated on the major issues in the world as opposed to gay marriage then things would actually get sorted. How can we have a unified, peaceful world when groups of people are squabbling over petty things?

God existing is not my concern here. I am a human being and either way I would be and will be a human being and my opinion is a human one.

I believe that a Man can love a Man, a Woman can love a Woman just how a Mother might love a Daughter, a Sister might love a Sister, a Brother might love a Brother, a Father might love a son.

Does a son show his father love by sticking a penis in the place which the father poops from? Is that how you show affection?

Does a daughter lick her mother's vagina to show she really loves and cares for her? Yes?

You can love anyone, you don't show that love by doing extremely disgusting sodomy with them.

In the case of an unrelated man falling in love with an unrelated woman, the same counts, you show her respect, and if you can put all of yourself into the relationship and take the leap to be totally together and married you can then freely have intimate, passionate, vaginal sex, because the vagina is made for that. It still stands that you do not show love for someone by sticking it in their mouth or anus, that is a way that is astray and crooked and shows that true passion and love is missing.

Can two men get married? As business partners, best friends, brothers.

Can two men get married so that they are not legally fornicating. No. Why not? Because the Bible in which all these cooky laws come from says they would be performing Sodomy. Why? Because a man doesn't have a Mangina, he has a penis, so does the other man, and both have poop holes which are for pooping.

But let them get married, I don't actually care about the marriage part as I consider that a partnership, BUT IF THEY THINK THAT SUDDENLY MAKES SODOMY (oral and anal) OK THEN I THINK THEY ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SHOW LOVE TO SOMEONE YOU LOVE.

quote:Originally posted by MRman:



isnt it funny how you swear heaps and your bible and religion say you shouldnt... ha fucktard, go talk to some gay people and find out that they are not freaks

Gay marriage doesnt affect you in any way, you wont die from it, if its made legal you wont change in the slightest, just let the gays do their stuff and you do yours

fucktard pieface

Gays do their stuff? What stuff? Sucking each others penises? Licking one another's anuses? Sticking their penis in their anus? Are these sane things to do? Are these ways to show affection or are they only deluding themselves in all their extreme madness?

Nobody is against two men being best friends and two men being business partners.

I'm talking about disgusting sodomy (oral and anal by dictionary definition are included in sodomy). I don't want men and women to do sodomy and I don't want men and men to do sodomy. That is not a way of showing love.

In your opinion, backed up by an insidious book you have yet to prove as true, is it not true love and disgusting.

I’ve have one thing to say to you: mind your own fucking business. If you do not like it, you do not like it, that’s fine, but don’t force others who DO like it not to do it and claim it’s for their own good because you’re the insane one, not them, you’re the one who looks at the flesh with unneeded disgust, you pathetic homophobe.

All of your claims are unfounded and you’ve yet to prove ANY of your homophobic statements true.

I used to have some respect for you, Abrahim, but now, in my eyes, you are simply a cunt.

*returns to occasionally lurking totse*

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

In your opinion, backed up by an insidious book you have yet to prove as true, is it not true love and disgusting.

I’ve have one thing to say to you: mind your own fucking business. If you do not like it, you do not like it, that’s fine, but don’t force others who DO like it not to do it and claim it’s for their own good because you’re the insane one, not them, you’re the one who looks at the flesh with unneeded disgust, you pathetic homophobe.

All of your claims are unfounded and you’ve yet to prove ANY of your homophobic statements true.

I used to have some respect for you, Abrahim, but now, in my eyes, you are simply a cunt.

*returns to occasionally lurking totse*

I am not forcing anyone to stop, simply stating my strong opinion, informing people of my perspective on this matter. I would tell people getting a tatoo on their body to stop as well, telling them that it is damaging the skin, it is permanent scarring, it is silly because it is hard to remove, they might as well paint themselves and then paint something new later rather than be stuck with a scar, they are hurting themselves and permanently mutilating their skin, it is scarification, it is wrong etc etc.

This is because I believe that scarification or damage of the natural skin through deliberate cutting, scarring, tatooing is wrong and harmful and shows a kind of self hatered, anyone who seeks to harm themselves shows self hatered: This includes taking drugs that harm the body, drinking alcohol, cutting, scarification, tatoos, anal sex, oral degredation, eating unhealthy or allergic food excessively until reaching a state of being morbidly obese, and putting holes in the body/piercings.

A person who doesn't hate themselves doesn't seek out various ways in which they might deliberately damage their beautiful body.

I am warning all people of these things, not just gays specifically.

The flesh is not disgusting, deliberately disrespecting or damaging the flesh is disgusting, sticking a penis in a mouth is disgusting and low, sticking a penis in the anus is really disgusting and gross. The flesh is beautiful, the things some people use their flesh for is not. Sadists, Masochists, and other lunatics. Both those who perform and recieve and participate and asscociate themselves with these low undignified disgusting beings are only degrading themselves in the process, they are not worthy people, not worthy of respect for their low conduct.

Perhaps you're not thinking of it graphically enough to actually see how these things are wrong.

As a human being, I will mind the business of my fellow humans because to some degree I do care about them and want what I think is better for them. If you don't care about them then so be it.

quote:Perhaps you're not thinking of it graphically enough to actually see how these things are wrong.

I'm bisexual, I've partaken in such acts.

Once again, I find your claims based on nothing except a personal opinion that it is 'gross' or 'icky'. Who gives you the right to condemn it? Back up your claim that people hate themselves and that's why they do these acts, please, don't just state "they hate themselves so they do this", BACK IT UP, until then, you're nothing but a homophobic bigot in my eyes,

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:



As a human being, I will mind the business of my fellow humans because to some degree I do care about them and want what I think is better for them. If you don't care about them then so be it.

Yes, we've seen how much you "care" about others... like how you see absolutely nothing wrong with beating someone (essentially torturing them really) if they are caught committing adultery.

Sorry, but even if we consider the thought that there are moral absolutes concerning sexual activities, you have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on. You're far worst individual.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

God existing is not my concern here. I am a human being and either way I would be and will be a human being and my opinion is a human one.

I believe that a Man can love a Man, a Woman can love a Woman just how a Mother might love a Daughter, a Sister might love a Sister, a Brother might love a Brother, a Father might love a son.

Does a son show his father love by sticking a penis in the place which the father poops from? Is that how you show affection?

Does a daughter lick her mother's vagina to show she really loves and cares for her? Yes?

You can love anyone, you don't show that love by doing extremely disgusting sodomy with them.

In the case of an unrelated man falling in love with an unrelated woman, the same counts, you show her respect, and if you can put all of yourself into the relationship and take the leap to be totally together and married you can then freely have intimate, passionate, vaginal sex, because the vagina is made for that. It still stands that you do not show love for someone by sticking it in their mouth or anus, that is a way that is astray and crooked and shows that true passion and love is missing.

Can two men get married? As business partners, best friends, brothers.

Can two men get married so that they are not legally fornicating. No. Why not? Because the Bible in which all these cooky laws come from says they would be performing Sodomy. Why? Because a man doesn't have a Mangina, he has a penis, so does the other man, and both have poop holes which are for pooping.

But let them get married, I don't actually care about the marriage part as I consider that a partnership, BUT IF THEY THINK THAT SUDDENLY MAKES SODOMY (oral and anal) OK THEN I THINK THEY ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SHOW LOVE TO SOMEONE YOU LOVE.



Well I pose the same question - If some guy sodomises the other when they are in a relationship, does that make you shed a tear at night? Whatever gay people do in their time is their own business, not yours or mine. As long as some guy doesn't try to sodomise me then I really don't care. Neither should you. There are much more important things at stake in this world. You need to open your mind - you don't have to SUPPORT what gay people do, but you do have to accept it, because no amount of bible waving and preaching is going to change that. I find it disturbing that in this day and age there are people who are still so intolerant.

quote:Originally posted by Twiggy:

Well I pose the same question - If some guy sodomises the other when they are in a relationship, does that make you shed a tear at night? Whatever gay people do in their time is their own business, not yours or mine. As long as some guy doesn't try to sodomise me then I really don't care. Neither should you. There are much more important things at stake in this world. You need to open your mind - you don't have to SUPPORT what gay people do, but you do have to accept it, because no amount of bible waving and preaching is going to change that. I find it disturbing that in this day and age there are people who are still so intolerant.

Yes, hopefully someday we will all learn tolerance so that those willing children and adults can have sex with each other to show affection, and when we can show love for our pets by having intercourse with them.

I shed a tear for the degredation of mankind, if you don't care, then don't care about my statements against it, be tolerant of my intolerance, at least I'm not sticking a penis in your anus.

Abrahim, here's the real question.

Have you gone through puberty yet? The wording of your posts seems very simple, and you don't seem to understand how great sex can be, whether it's normal, oral, or anal.

Also, I have seven piercings, and I don't hate myself at all. In my opinion, it's a way to decorate my body. I'm also planning on getting a tattoo after my first year of college, not because I hate myself, but because I want to express myself.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

Abrahim, here's the real question.

Have you gone through puberty yet? The wording of your posts seems very simple, and you don't seem to understand how great sex can be, whether it's normal, oral, or anal.

Also, I have seven piercings, and I don't hate myself at all. In my opinion, it's a way to decorate my body. I'm also planning on getting a tattoo after my first year of college, not because I hate myself, but because I want to express myself.

Omg I so want a tattoo too. Problem is, I don't know what I want and it has to be something that means a lot to me and stuff.

Was thinking maybe a flower or a kitty, but no one else seems to like that idea.

quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:

Omg I so want a tattoo too. Problem is, I don't know what I want and it has to be something that means a lot to me and stuff.

Was thinking maybe a flower or a kitty, but no one else seems to like that idea.

A flower or kitty could go either way. Sort of like butterflies... but those are all so cliche.

I want to get a quote that means a lot to me on my upper back, but I don't know how to go about designing it... I'm also scared I'll get tired of it.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

Abrahim, here's the real question.

Have you gone through puberty yet? The wording of your posts seems very simple, and you don't seem to understand how great sex can be, whether it's normal, oral, or anal.

Also, I have seven piercings, and I don't hate myself at all. In my opinion, it's a way to decorate my body. I'm also planning on getting a tattoo after my first year of college, not because I hate myself, but because I want to express myself.

Does something deemed perfect require decoration? Do you need to put holes and scars on something beautiful to express yourself? You certainly are expressing how you feel about your body and how you think of it in the fact that you feel it needs decoration in holes and scars. Some love of self. Perhaps you don't feel you stand out enough without shiny things sticking out or maybe you want to distract people from your features.

Abrahim, you are either uneducated or just a plain dumbass bigot.

First of all, what is your definition of perfect? I have yet to see one person, one body that is "perfect."

Second, who deemed the body perfect? God? Another mistake from a useless, malicious deity.

As for the gay marriage topic, your simple distaste and difference of opinion, as already stated, is NOT and SHOULD NOT be law.

Grow up, and expand your mind.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Gays do their stuff? What stuff? Sucking each others penises? Licking one another's anuses? Sticking their penis in their anus? Are these sane things to do? Are these ways to show affection or are they only deluding themselves in all their extreme madness?

Nobody is against two men being best friends and two men being business partners.

I'm talking about disgusting sodomy (oral and anal by dictionary definition are included in sodomy). I don't want men and women to do sodomy and I don't want men and men to do sodomy. That is not a way of showing love.



so are you saying that gays and lesbians should just masterbate for the rest of their lives? well thats just chipper now isnt it... but it is said that you cant do that in the bible etc too, well then gays are condemmed to a life where the only time they ejaculate is through a wet dream... wow, if i was a guy i would LOVE to live my life that way

jeeze, as i said before it doesnt affect you in the slightest.

At any one point approx 10% of the population is homosexual, learn to live with it...

perhaps jesus was gay, you never know... i mean leonardo da vinci was gay wasnt he? did it affect his career? NO... there is nothing wrong with being gay and that is final

So you people that are talking about "procreation" really beliving your own bullshit? Do you know how many unwanted babies there are already? We can barely function with the rate of people right now, we need less people not more. The religous reason is fine for your personal belief... it's irrational and prejudiced, as people who twist religion tend to do with it. But logically and civically there is nothing wrong with two grown consenting adults doing as they wish, as it hurts no one else. Keep your fictional mythology out of civilized society, please.

He's against piercings and tattoos as well?!

Abrahim, I would pay so much to be put in a room with you for an hour. We could have THE best debates on absolutely anything.

[This message has been edited by Twiggy (edited 09-08-2006).]

It's ironic that the religious people who believe everything is a product of God's design say that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural, and will accuse atheists of having no morals and just letting people run loose doing whatever awful things they want.

See, atheists could say it was unnatural and therefore should be wrong (if they were jackasses) because it goes against evolution - your genes do not get passed on, you can't have kids, and that's not how a species grows and survives in the technical sense.

But if God created everything, then homosexuality is perfectly natural - after all, God made it that way. I mean, it's like saying that having cancer is wrong.

And by the way, if you really think it's a choice, then choose to be gay.

No, seriously.

If you think they have a choice, and it's easy, and it's possible, and it's conscious, then make the decision right now to change your mind. Decide to start liking people of the opposite sex, right now.

Now listen to what you just told yourself in your mind. I'm sure you started making excuses and justifications for why you can't do that because you are 'right' or just know the right way or are just too pure to choose wrongly.

Bullshit.

If it's a choice like you say it is, then prove it to us by changing your sexuality right now.

Yea, I'll admit it, I can't do it either.

BUT THAT'S WHY I DON'T CLAIM IT'S A FUCKING CHOICE.

Until you can change your sexuality at will and prove it to us, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Ahem, well, anyway, now that that's over with..

It is wrong to discriminate against people based on anything, especially things they have no control over, especially when it doesn't affect you at all.

Imagine yourself on a planet where homosexuality was the norm, most people were gay, and that's even how people reproduced. Imagine yourself, exactly as you are, completely straight, just put right into this planet as just another person, except that this time you are the exception. Could you just choose to fit in? Again, shut the fuck up then.

By the way, I believe the topic starter is a troll and I can't believe no one called it yet.

He spells badly and is a hugely ignorant and stupid jackass.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I don't think anyone is that fucking stupid.

I can change my sexuality at will. I prefer to be heterosexual, but I can make myself aroused by only guys, or only girls, or both, or animals, or anything. It's like there are just a bunch of points of view in my head, and I can switch between them.

Irrelevant, sorry. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

[B]It's ironic that the religious people who believe everything is a product of God's design say that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural

IT'S THU DEVIL!!!1111 THATS MAKING DEM DO IT THEY CAN STOP IT IF THEY PRAY HARD ENOUGH DURRRRRR

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Does something deemed perfect require decoration? Do you need to put holes and scars on something beautiful to express yourself? You certainly are expressing how you feel about your body and how you think of it in the fact that you feel it needs decoration in holes and scars. Some love of self. Perhaps you don't feel you stand out enough without shiny things sticking out or maybe you want to distract people from your features.

Who says bodies are perfect? They're just a bunch of cells lumped together.

I don't care to stand out. Ear piercings don't call for a second glance on the street, and I don't walk around with my belly button ring hanging out. Yeah, I like having shiny things on my body. I think I'd look just as pretty without them, but they're just fun accessories.

I never said I needed decoration on my body. I wanted it. A body can be used as a canvas.

I seem to be able to not like the idea of anal sex, but at the same time I don't find myself opposed to it. Even if Abrahims claims of anal sex damaging the body were true, I still don't think I'd care.

People exploring sexuality, trying new and different things or just enjoying themselves how they personally choose to are not insane.

Homophobia is as just as annoying as racism in my opinion its not like "the sanctity of marriage hasnt been ruined by you bigoted fuckheads.

Abrahim i have a great site for you http://tinyurl.com/4atyh

quote:Originally posted by Bikerfox:

Abrahim i have a great site for you http://tinyurl.com/4atyh

That could of been made by Abrahim himself. Looks like the kind of thing he'd support.

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