Thanks for ruining my thread, assholes. All I wanted to know is how others who do not believe in an afterlife dealt with that fear without running to hide behind god or a belief in an afterlife that is not provable - and you’ve still not posted any convincing hard evidence, just a lot of questionable claims.

I do not want this thread to turn into a theology debate either, I am simply stating something and then leaving this thread for good, not to reply to any posts: fuck you for ruining my thread. FUCK YOU.

Are you sure about that? C'mon there's more proof for it than there is against it.

The only thing is you have to be smart to see it...you have to learn something to change yourself. Other wise it literally will not exist to you.

Hey slave, I mean rawpower. Check this out for my understanding of quantum mechanics and teh big bang. Lol, it's pwnage time!

By the 20th century we got a worldview of 3 dimensions of space plus time and time flowed throughout all of space simultaneously. It is a "hyperdimension" which encompasses all dimensions below it. Or you could say a "composite" dimension if your tiny little brain can't wrap around the bigger word.

Time as the extra-dimension to our reality, mentally extracted by a conscious awareness there are literally thousands of scientific and academic papers on this.

Time is the extra-dimension of space not correctly or completely apprehended at one time, instead of seeing an entire life played out in one moment, we see parts and bits and pieces of the life in many moments, simply because we aren't advanced enough to experience too quickly.

At first people thought matter to be created of equally formatted "particles" which you could find after cutting and cutting and cutting matter down until you reached the smallest "part" of a "thing". We found atoms, then electrons, protons, and neutrons, then subatomic particles in the new field of quantum mechaniscs. Now these things are not particles anymore, they are vectors of "forces" or energies with a potential or kinetic value depending on the state of the observer.

What creates the fact of "particles", of tangible matter, is the relationships between these "values", or forces between and within the smallest "pieces" of the universe we could possibly find. So we know there are three dimensions of space, with a composite dimension of time, which must be extracted with a conscious awareness. Something must "percieve" time for it to exist, otherwise it's just space, and we don't even know if that would exist, or at least we know it wouldn't exist the way it would as if a consciousness was percieving it.

And then we find that the smallest "portions" of the universe created of time and space, are not tangible particles at all as previously thought, but literally "thoughts" of particles. Values and relationships which hold potential and energy and together create the sense of a material and physical world to a being with the biological make-up to fit right in, or "plug" right in to this energy system, consciously.

"Matter" or "space" as you would like to call it at this fine a level is mostly empty, besides energy transactions or value particles (meaning they aren't "things" they just represent information or values of what will compound and compound and compound until you get say, a car as we see it all the way up here).



Then we found that these particles, called "quanta", "did not seem bound by our space or time. They pop into our reality from out of nowhere (quantum creation), disappear with out a trace (quantum annihilation), go from one point to another without being in between (quantum tunneling), instaneously change from one state of being to another, depending on how you look at them (quantum jumping), and are connected to each other in a way that transcends our time (the quantum connection). Sound familiar?

Neils Bohr said anyone who is not shocked by the quantum theory doesn't understand it.

In the 1920's they found that light sometimes exhibited the properties of a wave and sometimes of a particle. But the scientific community was stunned when this proved to be the case with the electron as well. Thus, at the subatomic level, matter and energy must be seen as both wave and particle, but never both at once, only one or the other per observation. As John R. Viollette put it nicely....



What he is talking about is the fact that a watched particle takes to a kineticism, while an un-watched particle is an undecided, paradoxical potential. Werner Heisenberg created the uncertainty principle off of this.

The vector, or the position and momentum of a particle cannot be measured at the same time. The more energy put into one, and the more is pulled from the other, thus causing it to become once again an uncertain potential with any existence possible.

This happens on a quantum level, and thusly into our waking life, the consciousness of your own self cannot be removed from the co-creation of your waking life because you are constantly choosing the direct outcome of all the quantum reactions through observation of the quantum potential and making the values become a reality.

Because at a quantum level, everything is a wave-particle duality, things are "measured" (never completely, until the experience has gone, and even then, it's just a majority rules), as having tendancies to be in different forms at different times in different places. These probablities or tendancies are linked to us, as the observers.

This micro-view, as the creation of the macro shows us that reality is seen as a grouping of universal base laws which add up and combine to each other to give us a reality which is fundamentally, and experientially of matter, energy, and consciousness.

This is transfinite, all is one, all is connected. Science proves THAT , my tasty little friend. But you're still cool.

Near death experiencers, mystics, and meditators all know this, and have known it for years and years and literally now....centuries.

This view of reality that western science has only touched upon in the past years, has been known in the Eastern mystic understanding for a LONG LONG time. It's just that the way they wrote these truths down that lead everyone in circles!

Much like my style of writing seems to confuse most of you. None the less. It's the reality we exist in. For sure? No. But the signs all point.

Fritjof Capra, "The Tao of Physics"

quote:

At the atomic level, then, the solid material objects of classical physics dissolve into patterns of probabilities, and these patterns do not represent probablities of things, but rather probablities of interconnections. Quantum theory forces us to see the universe not as a collection of phsyical objects, but rather as a complicated web of relations between the various parts of a unified whole. This however, is the way in which Eastern mystics have experienced the world.

The Quantum theory reveals reality to be ever-changing, dynamic, virtually alive:"The closer we look, the more alive it appears."

He also says:"Modern physics, then, pictures matter not at all as passive and inert, but being in a continuous dancing and vibrating motion whose rhythmic patterns are determined by the molecular, atomic, and nuclear structures. This is also the way in which Eastern mystics see the material world...that nature is not in a static, but a dynamic equilibrium."

In our world we see things seperately, and physically. What if in the larger view they are all one thing? Or at least intricately connected together and part of the same one thing? This is currently the most likely option of understanding, as far as our science has gone.

quote:

The exploration of the subatomic world has revealed a reality which repeatedly transcends language and reasoning, and the unification of concepts which had hitherto seemed opposite and irreconcilable turns out to be one of those most startling features of this new reality...where particles are both destructible and indestructible; where matter are but different aspects of the same phenomenon.

Chuang Tzu said, utilizing his taost outlook,

quote:

The 'this' is also 'that'. The 'that' is also 'this'...That the 'that' and the 'this' cease to be opposites is the very essence of teh Tao.

Realigious, philosophical hooey-pooey that you don't understand?

Nooooo, quantum mechanics that you don't understand.

We are now able to apprehend these "higher" dimensions of consciousness which are actually lower in the levels of the world of matter and energy. They go down, right down into the middle of it all.

We are "flirting" with it so to speak, we cannot grasp entirely, but infer. Just like time, the extra-dimension that we only partially apprehend.

We can only tell that "particles" dissapear and appear on a quantum level (teleportation), they violate our sense of time, give us a sense of underlying all pervading oneness; and create a reality of an intimate universe were opposites are actually unified.

These realizations are signs and they are signs pointing to a deeper (or "higher" like I've said all along ) understanding of reality, and that extra-dimension we call time.

It doesn't stop at the human level.

No you were wrong, life doesn't exist outside of death. The existence we are in outside of death, creates the life we are in now, they are one.



We do know what happens before death, just like the line that the literature teacher drew, we have experienced it before, because we are experiencing it now.

Now I don't want to swamp you. So I'll stop there, and hope you get the best of it, there's the exact same amount I just posted, the properly explains the rest of it, the rest of the quantum theory and how it fits in and is actually the direct influence of our understanding of the extra-dimensional theory.

Read the books, "the psychotropic mind", "extra-dimensional universe", or "the yoga of time travel", if you want to know how far off you are.

Thanks. It's funny I typed all that for just your response to me!

Although..if you want to read it, please go right ahead, I find it will explain things I say a little better.

Oh and. Are you sure I don't accept the quantum mechanical theory?

Oh.

I don't accept it, it's my basis for thinking the way I do.

I lol'd.

So, uh...what happened to the other one, RP ? I didn't get to see if you responded to me or not.

My God, Ate... Go write a fucking book you asshole.

That was one fucking huge post.

I was going to send this thread to B&M, but damn that looks like a lot of effort.

i died once technicly and they "brought me back" and fucking nothing happened when i was "dead" so i definately dont beleve in religion its all bullshit... i dont race motocross anymore though thats dangerous shit haha

quote:Originally posted by XiPPiLLi:

That was one fucking huge post.

I was going to send this thread to B&M, but damn that looks like a lot of effort.

That's half of it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif)

Post the other half then.

It's on paper. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

I was hoping he would respond.

If you saw the thread he said that I base what I know on the fact that I deny the quantum mechanical theory.

So I typed that up. It's the beginning of the theory. The next half talks about the quantum potential and the wave-particle duality and how the consciousness of the observer causes a certain reality to form from a potential of realities.

I was going to. But now my words are like a dog with no owner...barking in the rain...looking for a home... http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

Edit: You fucker you just want to see me waste my time. Read it first.

[This message has been edited by ate (edited 09-20-2006).]

You should know better than to debate religion seriously on totse.

tsk tsk.

*pokes cosmo in the eye*

Yea I know.

ate, you caught me at a good time in my life.

I owe you a thanks, and I hope you post the second half.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Thanks for ruining my thread, assholes. All I wanted to know is how others who do not believe in an afterlife dealt with that fear without running to hide behind god or a belief in an afterlife that is not provable - and you’ve still not posted any convincing hard evidence, just a lot of questionable claims.

I do not want this thread to turn into a theology debate either, I am simply stating something and then leaving this thread for good, not to reply to any posts: fuck you for ruining my thread. FUCK YOU.

If you can't find away to get rid of the fear of lack of afterlife without believing in God, then take into consideration energy cannot be created, or destroyed, it can oly change form. So just believe you will be a ghost. If there is no afterlife, then this is the afterlife.

When I was a nihilist I simply refused to die. So I guess I never got over it, just avoided it.

quote:Originally posted by IDontLoveYou:

ate, you caught me at a good time in my life.

I owe you a thanks, and I hope you post the second half.

For real?



Serious?

AIM? So I can be sure?

there is no god

quote: I am simply stating something and then leaving this thread for good, not to reply to any posts

I'm just going to say, thanks a lot for ruining this thread too, Ate, and I fucking pawned you in the other thread and then you cried like a big baby, commanding me to delete it just like you do with all threads you lose in. You suck, Ate, you fucking suck! You got all that info from questionable sources for scientific info, I remember from my thread, and you have a very basic, bare bone understanding and I've still yet to see any decent arguments for an afterlife, fuck you, asshole. Seriously, next time you see a thread that says it's not an argument for an afterlife, DON'T FUCKING TAKE IT OFF TOPIC JUST BECAUSE THEY LET YOU IN PD ALL THE TIME

Why can't we all just be freinds and stop hating people because they are/arn't religious? http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

"Ruining"? My goodness, what's to ruin?

It was based on a specious premise to begin with.

quantum theory is almost entirely mathematical. it is entirely possible that quantum theory is completely wrong, furthermore, no scientists would agree with his assesments.

for example, the reason for the uncertainty principle is because our techniques for detecting particles actually effect them because we are bouncing shit off of them. so to say this supports perception affecting reality is an intentional deception used by many new-agers.

ya and the rest of that is vomit as well. if you want to study this shit, pick up a scientific journal ate, not a metaphysical text that distorts science to support its claims.

I just randomly found this thread in the bowels of totse and thought it was interesting... so...
*bumb*
And if you wrote out that second part and feel like typing it out, I'm interested in reading it.

Epic bump!

Damn it, Vanhalla - we were on such a roll with not having the word "cunt" in a thread title in here for so long ...

:mad:;):mad:

lol... way to rip open old wounds... almost 1.5 years dead...

When I was a nihilist I simply refused to die. So I guess I never got over it, just avoided it.

live forever or die trying!!111