One of the defineing chariteristics of god is that he is all powerfull. I would go so far as to say that it his most important trait.

This is commenly taken to mean that god an do anything, that gods power in infinate. And this would indeed make god all powerful.

But there is another possiblity, 'all-powerful' could be taken to mean that god has all the avalible power, so within the closed system of 'everything that ever was and ever will be' god controls every thing.

In this way god would be constrined by logic, but would still be all powerful.



*I dont know why the fuck i'm making this thread, i'm athistic for fucks sake, but the idea has been echoing of the inside of my skull for a while now, so I hought i'd let it out*

quote:Originally posted by Niceguy:

One of the defineing chariteristics of god is that he is all powerfull. I would go so far as to say that it his most important trait.

This is commenly taken to mean that god an do anything, that gods power in infinate. And this would indeed make god all powerful.

But there is another possiblity, 'all-powerful' could be taken to mean that god has all the avalible power, so within the closed system of 'everything that ever was and ever will be' god controls every thing.

In this way god would be constrined by logic, but would still be all powerful.



*I dont know why the fuck i'm making this thread, i'm athistic for fucks sake, but the idea has been echoing of the inside of my skull for a while now, so I hought i'd let it out*



Isn't logic part of all that ever was an will be?

Uh, are you advocating the other possibility or are you defining both?

Metta

Jack.

In a sense, God IS constrained by his own logic. That is, he created us with free will, and therefore cannot intervene in human affairs, since that would interfere with that free will.

I think God's only limit would be the limit that he places on himself.

Sometimes limiting yourself is a good experience in which you can learn much, after the experience has been learned to requirement, the limitations are tossed off like a big heavy coat. I think god does the same think we do and learns just like we do. I think we are actually learning for him, pretending to be seperated and disconnected from all the information to all there is, in order to see how we do without a biased consciousness. To see how we do with a completely blank slate to work with, I think to create this illusion, temporarily, we have to "seperate" with the source of "God", which I believe is the state of consciousness of experience as yourself as the creator and experience of all that is, and I think by this we are coming to a lower physical realm to experience wars, violence, and power strugglings of the ego/animal body.

If we leave this place, and this body the limitation, we, as god, has placed on ourselves in order to learn and experience dissolves and we absolutely magnify and amplify our experience and self by an uncomprehendable amount.

And after that the same thing happens if we are ready to leave human life for good, if we no longer learn from such low incarnate experience.

Then we will loose and shed whatever "skin" we have "after" that, and so on and so forth until the entire universe we are in, we see as a creation of our own thoughts and an experience of them.

Then it doesn't end and you simply begin your very large journey into the beyond of time and space and all things non-existent to us now.

Sorry, that was quite badly written.

My proposal was that All-powerful could be read as meaning: 'God has every single little bit of power in the universe' instead of 'God has infinate power'

Which would lead to the conclusions:

1) Free Will does not exist for humans, as humans would have no power to choose.

2) God is subject to certain restrictions such as an upper limit to his power (all the universe contains) and also to certain fundermentals: Nothing (presumibly) has the power to create matter/energy, or excede the speed of light, so god could not either.

As I said before, I'm an athist, so this is in the nature of a thought exercise.