I was talking to someone today, and they said that Atheism was a contradiction of itself. He really had nothing to say after that other than agnosticism is the way to go. Is there anyone else here who believes the same and would enlighten me as to why that can even be true? Is there anyone else who thinks the same way as him? If not, just let this thread die.

Atheism is stupid. Being agnostic? Yeah thats fine, but atheism is just dumb.

quote:Originally posted by DocShay:

Atheism is stupid. Being agnostic? Yeah thats fine, but atheism is just dumb.

Any reasons, or are you just talking out of your ass?

He's probably a moron who believes that "Atheism" must mean "to claim that god doesn't exist" (which he probably sees as equally baseless as theism) which is not true. Atheism can also be the lack of belief, which ironically enough is probably what he means by agnosticism.

Of course, this is just speculation but this is often the case.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

He's probably a moron who believes that "Atheism" must mean "to claim that god doesn't exist" (which he probably sees as equally baseless as theism) which is not true. Atheism can also be the lack of belief, which ironically enough is probably what he means by agnosticism.

Of course, this is just speculation but this is often the case.



Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

I think alot of "athiests" use that

term to mean they don't believe in

invisible shit for no reason except

that somebody tells them to.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

He's probably a moron who believes that "Atheism" must mean "to claim that god doesn't exist" (which he probably sees as equally baseless as theism) which is not true. Atheism can also be the lack of belief, which ironically enough is probably what he means by agnosticism.

Of course, this is just speculation but this is often the case.

So you can deny the fact that god exists, by having no belief.

And you can say you don't believe in it enough, and have a lack of belief?

quote:Originally posted by ate:

So you can deny the fact that god exists, by having no belief.

And you can say you don't believe in it enough, and have a lack of belief?



No, you can be a strong atheist, which means you make a positive statement saying god does not exist and you therefore explicitly believe that god does not exist. You can also be a weak atheist which just means that you don't have a belief in either the existence or non-existence of deities.

quote:Originally posted by DocShay:

Atheism is stupid. Being agnostic? Yeah thats fine, but atheism is just dumb.

Care to throw out a few reasons there, tiger?

quote:Originally posted by danreil:

No, you can be a strong atheist, which means you make a positive statement saying god does not exist and you therefore explicitly believe that god does not exist. You can also be a weak atheist which just means that you don't have a belief in either the existence or non-existence of deities.

if your going to say weak atheist just say agnostic

I was always under the impression that agnostics activly don't know whether god exists or not, that agnostics were under a (slight) mist of confusion. While weak atheist are passivly awaiting proof that god exists, with no or little thinking put into it.

well a typical misconception people have on atheism is that atheists are against all realigion when in actual fact they just dont believe in god, or any religion for that matter.

But your friend doesnt sound like some religious dickhead that thinks that. I'm just saying that he might think that if your atheist your against all religions which is means that it could be contradictory towards itself if you call it a religion as many people do these days, when in fact it is just a belief.

quote:Originally posted by Niceguy:

I was always under the impression that agnostics activly don't know whether god exists or not, that agnostics were under a (slight) mist of confusion. While weak atheist are passivly awaiting proof that god exists, with no or little thinking put into it.

Agnostics believe that humans are incapable of making an educated decision on whether or not god exists, IMO.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

He's probably a moron who believes that "Atheism" must mean "to claim that god doesn't exist" (which he probably sees as equally baseless as theism) which is not true. Atheism can also be the lack of belief, which ironically enough is probably what he means by agnosticism.

Of course, this is just speculation but this is often the case.

Agnosticism and athiesm are completely different.

If you are an athiest, you don't believe in God period. There is no God.

If you are an agnostic, you don't believe in a god, but you don't discount the possibility that one exists.



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That is false.

Thomas Henry Huxley is the man who first coined and defined the terms "agnostic" and "agnosticism". This is the definition he gave:

"That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism (http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE5/Agn-X.html)"

That is agnosticism: The acknowledgement that factual knowledge is unattainable in a given subject (this context - and the context for which he created the term in the first place - being the existence or non-existence of a god).

Agnosticism says absolutely nothing on your belief or lack of it in gods. You can be an agnostic atheist who lacks a belief in god because he sees no reason to believe in a god, or you can be an agnostic theist, who (for the sake of an example) has decided to believe in gods because of Pascal's wager even though he admits that knowledge on the subject of existence / non-existence is unattainable.

It is wrong and without merit to equate agnosticism to weak-atheism. Not only does it go against both the etymology and definition of agnosticism, but it would in turn go against the definition and etymology of atheism! This penchant for automatically aligning the two is nothing new; you can see in the text I link to (where Huxley gives a succinct definition of agnosticism) that he was fighting similar knee-jerk reactions during his lifetime.

Pretty much the only thing you got right is that agnosticism and atheism are different, that they are; however, they are not mutually exclusive.

EDIT: Huxley-confusion.

[This message has been edited by Rust (edited 10-09-2006).]

"That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the [God, the source of objective truth of the universe.] unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism"

Yes that is the definition. But it is also taught this way in Catholic doctrine.

Oh and this gave me an idea for another thread.



[This message has been edited by w33d (edited 10-09-2006).]

Atheism is a contridiction of itself because there is no way to prove whether god exists or doesnt.

Agnosticism, on the other hand, is not caring about theology whatsever and just going about life without wondering. Obviously, if your friend there is proclaiming the tenants of agnosticism then he does care and is not truly an agnostic. Therefore, he is a petty fraud.

I myself am an atheist but want to believe in god.... but i'm a skeptic at heart, i doubt everything and can't bring myself to fully believe in anything.

quote:Originally posted by Beelzebub:

Atheism is a contridiction of itself because there is no way to prove whether god exists or doesnt.

So by this definition theism is a contradiction of itself because there is no way to prove god exists or doesn't...?

quote:Originally posted by Beelzebub:

Agnosticism, on the other hand, is not caring about theology whatsever and just going about life without wondering. Obviously, if your friend there is proclaiming the tenants of agnosticism then he does care and is not truly an agnostic. Therefore, he is a petty fraud.

Please do some reading on agnosticism before you rape Huxley again.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Aldous Huxley is the man who first coined and defined the terms "agnostic" and "agnosticism".

I thought it was Thomas Henry Huxley?

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quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:



I thought it was Thomas Henry Huxley?



You're absolutely right. I got my Huxleys confused. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:Originally posted by w33d:

"That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the [God, the source of objective truth of the universe.] unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism"

Yes that is the definition. But it is also taught this way in Catholic doctrine.

Oh and this gave me an idea for another thread.

1.I don't belong to the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church holds absolutely no authority towards the definition.

The fact is, it is defined as Huxley defined it, not as the Catholic Church (I'm assuming that what you're saying is right) decided to corrupt it later.

2. The modification you gave changed absolutely nothing because you can still be a theist who is not certain of god.

[This message has been edited by Rust (edited 10-09-2006).]

I find it funny that even though I have faith, I'm technically atheist and agnostic.

I don't believe in the existence of gods, thus atheist. I believe human knowledge is limited to experience, thus agnostic. Funny how both words have a connotation completely inaccurate towards their denotation. Dying was fun - no beliefs involved, and I experienced it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

I find it funny that even though I have faith, I'm technically atheist and agnostic.

I don't believe in the existence of gods, thus atheist. I believe human knowledge is limited to experience, thus agnostic. Funny how both words have a connotation completely inaccurate towards their denotation. Dying was fun - no beliefs involved, and I experienced it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

you experience it? my god, tell me all about your traumatic experience please

It was me. Just me. No ego. No body. No thought. No emotion. No wants. No needs. Nothing lacking at all. The void I'd centered my whole life around wasn't there. I faced eternity and found what is called happiness. Upon that finding, I was told to go back and share the truth that is perfection. All life is equal, all death is equal. All truly is one; no flaws, no problems, no imperfections. It is all, it is one, it is everything, it is eternity.

All problems exist in pride - we imagine flaws in a perfect world only to create what is called hell for our self when we try to fix that which is not broken. When we fail to create our ego's idea of perfection, we experience pain, then seek out escape from pain through other creations of various egos only to find a small bit of pleasure that is soon replaced with more pain. Only when we give up the ego's idea of perfection and accept perfection as it is can we see that there is no void. There is nothing needing to be filled - merely a vessel by which truth can be shared so that truth can be recieved.

If you consider that traumatic, cool...I think it was an amazing revelation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm

Thank you for proving my point:

"Agnosticism implies uncertainty about the existence of God. The basic problem here is that there are many answers to the question "Does God exist?" However there is only this one term available to cover all of the meanings. Some of today's possible overlapping answers to the question are:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>

<LI> I don't personally know.

<LI> I don't know but will lead my life in the assumption that no God exists.

<LI> I don't know but will lead my life assuming that God does exist.

<LI>...

</UL>"



Hence, one can be an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist. Agnostic only refers to whether one claims absolute certainty of their position, not on what that position actually is.

Furthermore, the article goes on to define atheism and gives a definition which contradicts the shitty one you provided.



[This message has been edited by Rust (edited 10-09-2006).]

Atheism can be considered a contradiction of itself for one simple reason:

Most so-called "Atheists" say that theistic religions are ridiculous because the existence of God cannot be proven. But, at the same time, they claim that they KNOW, without a doubt, that God doesn't exist.



This is obviously hypocritical because, according to themselves, other people cannot prove that God exists, but they themselves can prove that he doesn't.

Of course, any intelligent atheist realizes the difference. To quote Bertrand Russell:

"As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one proves that there is not a God. On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street, I think that I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because, when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods."

—Bertrand Russell, Collected Papers, vol. 11, p. 91

Atheism is not a contradiction in itself, those atheists were making a contradiction.

quote:Originally posted by TheHammer:

Atheism can be considered a contradiction of itself for one simple reason:

Most so-called "Atheists" say that theistic religions are ridiculous because the existence of God cannot be proven.

It doesn't matter what most atheists say, and I'm not so sure that most say what you are claiming they do, what matters is that the definition of "atheism", does not involve any contradictions. What do you mean by " so-called "Atheists" "

quote:Originally posted by TheHammer:

But, at the same time, they claim that they KNOW, without a doubt, that God doesn't exist.

No WE don't. SOME may make that claim, but it is irrelevant to what defines atheism.

My apologies. I didn't explain my point enough, and left out some important details. Before I respond to anything, please let me say that I am an Atheist myself, and I have no intention of insulting Atheism.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

It doesn't matter what most atheists say, and I'm not so sure that most say what you are claiming they do, what matters is that the definition of "atheism", does not involve any contradictions. What do you mean by " so-called "Atheists""?



In the beginning of my reply, I said "Atheism can be *considered* a contradiction..." This was bad wording on my part, and I didn't try to clarify this any further. What I was actually referring to was the views of most Atheists.

By "most so-called Atheists", I meant that the common Atheist is nothing but a rebellious teenager who wants to stir up trouble by "going against the system". They don't want to be tied down to any system of control. These are just the views of your average free-spirited teenager.

Unfortunately, these types of Atheists are also the most abundant and out-spoken. Those of us who understand the true meaning of our views are sadly given a bad name thanks to these people.

I believe that the views of these Atheists are very relevant to this post because the OP stated that it was his friend who told him that Atheism was a contradiction. His friend is no doubt one of these "Atheists".

quote:[/B]

No WE don't. SOME may make that claim, but it is irrelevant to what defines atheism.

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I understand that legit Atheists don't make these claims. But, once again, I believe it is relevant to our post to look at the mainstream Atheist.

I apologize again for any misunderstandings I may have caused.

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Its bullshit.

I know there are no gods.

I know there are no gods as much as I know goblins and unicorns.

Since the dawn of man retards have believed in some supernatural shit. Ghosts, spirits, monsters, gods. There is as much evidence for a god is there as much evidence that the shit that came out of my ass this morning wasn't a parralell universe.

Monotheistic religions are relatively new in the history of man. If you're going to believe in some stupid ass magical shit then you might as well believe in the first stupid ass magical shit.

Trying to say God exists because there is no way of prooving there is a god is like saying I have magical powers but im not going to show you because you don't believe me.

If something has no evidence or proof, and it affects nothing that can be explained by other means then there might be some merit in the claim.

If a god/god's were smiting people and the streets and creating things from nothing then you could say EXPLAIN THAT! to scientists, but there is nothing that is not concievably knowable given a long enough period of time.

Scientific advances have been denied then embraced by Religions the world over (apart from the really fucking stupid ones).

Everytime science disproves something in the Bible or the Koran etc religious fucks deny it, then when it gains a significant understanding they switch and claim "God made that happen" or some stupid fucking bullshit.

The earth was thought to be at the centre of the universe, devils and demons where thought to be the cause of illness, fuck, people are still arguing about Evolution just because some people are too fucking stupid or lazy to read a biology textbook and understand what it fucking is.



If you are going to say something is real because it cannot be disproven then you have just narrowed down possible options of magical beings or phenomenon which could be responsible for existance then you might aswell say, "We are all in the matrix" or "The flying spaghetti monster made everyone".

You can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

If you are going to believe in some super natural bullshit, at least invent your own shit you unoriginal fucks.

Oh, millions of christians, millions of muslims, millions of hindu's I wonder why there are so many different religions, I mean to any sane fuck it would look like they are all inventions of a humans just like fucking FICTION.

Why the fuck are people still arguing about this shit. Even if there is this mythical super power that exists but doesnt show its effects in any way that are measurable.

Why doesn't god save innocent babies and stop wars and hunger?

Oh God's testing us? Fuck that. I can work out how to fucking do some good in the world with INFINITE FUCKING POWER and im not infinitely wise or compasionate.

Give it up you fucking pussies.

Big deal, theres no such thing as immortality, get over it, and you're cocks never going to get any bigger unless you break it and hang weights off it as you heal.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

Its bullshit.

I know there are no gods.

I know there are no gods as much as I know goblins and unicorns.

Since the dawn of man retards have believed in some supernatural shit. Ghosts, spirits, monsters, gods. There is as much evidence for a god is there as much evidence that the shit that came out of my ass this morning wasn't a parralell universe.

Monotheistic religions are relatively new in the history of man. If you're going to believe in some stupid ass magical shit then you might as well believe in the first stupid ass magical shit.

Trying to say God exists because there is no way of prooving there is a god is like saying I have magical powers but im not going to show you because you don't believe me.

If something has no evidence or proof, and it affects nothing that can be explained by other means then there might be some merit in the claim.

If a god/god's were smiting people and the streets and creating things from nothing then you could say EXPLAIN THAT! to scientists, but there is nothing that is not concievably knowable given a long enough period of time.

Scientific advances have been denied then embraced by Religions the world over (apart from the really fucking stupid ones).

Everytime science disproves something in the Bible or the Koran etc religious fucks deny it, then when it gains a significant understanding they switch and claim "God made that happen" or some stupid fucking bullshit.

The earth was thought to be at the centre of the universe, devils and demons where thought to be the cause of illness, fuck, people are still arguing about Evolution just because some people are too fucking stupid or lazy to read a biology textbook and understand what it fucking is.



If you are going to say something is real because it cannot be disproven then you have just narrowed down possible options of magical beings or phenomenon which could be responsible for existance then you might aswell say, "We are all in the matrix" or "The flying spaghetti monster made everyone".

You can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

If you are going to believe in some super natural bullshit, at least invent your own shit you unoriginal fucks.

Oh, millions of christians, millions of muslims, millions of hindu's I wonder why there are so many different religions, I mean to any sane fuck it would look like they are all inventions of a humans just like fucking FICTION.

Why the fuck are people still arguing about this shit. Even if there is this mythical super power that exists but doesnt show its effects in any way that are measurable.

Why doesn't god save innocent babies and stop wars and hunger?

Oh God's testing us? Fuck that. I can work out how to fucking do some good in the world with INFINITE FUCKING POWER and im not infinitely wise or compasionate.

Give it up you fucking pussies.

Big deal, theres no such thing as immortality, get over it, and you're cocks never going to get any bigger unless you break it and hang weights off it as you heal.

You, sir, are a God among men.

atheist said in mainstream conventions is such a mean word. i prefer "modernist"

I was talking to someone once and we where talking of creation Vs. atheist origins. He said "I dont believe in god.", to which i replied "do you know everything?" to which the man replied "no" to which I asked "do you know half of everything?" and he said "no" i said "ok lets just assume you know half of everthing, is it possible that god exists in the other half?"

A thought rattled around his brain and got lost i belive.

To conclude there is no way to Know for sure if there is or is not a god but if you take a look at the evidence for both sides of the argument you would see that the atheist ussually falls short of facts within the first five minutes.

my advice to any atheist is to activly seek out information for both sides and then make a decision instead of just concluding on what there own intuition tells them.

Many people have jumped off of cliffs thinking they can fly and all fell, do your research before you jump!

quote:Originally posted by v_bess2000:

my advice to any atheist is to activly seek out information for both sides and then make a decision instead of just concluding on what there own intuition tells them.

Every atheist I've ever met was brought up with religion, and intuition had nothing to do with bringing them to atheism; it was rational thought.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

Wonderful.

quote:"Every atheist I've ever met was brought up with religion, and intuition had nothing to do with bringing them to atheism; it was rational thought."

I was not raised with any religion. I was not told wether a god exists or not either, I was taught how to think rationally and to draw my own conclusions from availible information. At a young age (8 or 9, I think) I came to the conclusion that there was no god and that all religionists were merely talking out their asses. More than a decade has passed since then, and in my constant search for more information, I haven't seen a damn thing that makes me think my initial conclusion was wrong.

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quote:Originally posted by v_bess2000:

I was talking to someone once and we where talking of creation Vs. atheist origins. He said "I dont believe in god.", to which i replied "do you know everything?" to which the man replied "no" to which I asked "do you know half of everything?" and he said "no" i said "ok lets just assume you know half of everthing, is it possible that god exists in the other half?"

A thought rattled around his brain and got lost i belive.

To conclude there is no way to Know for sure if there is or is not a god but if you take a look at the evidence for both sides of the argument you would see that the atheist ussually falls short of facts within the first five minutes.

my advice to any atheist is to activly seek out information for both sides and then make a decision instead of just concluding on what there own intuition tells them.

Many people have jumped off of cliffs thinking they can fly and all fell, do your research before you jump!



So where in the less than half the knowledge in the universe did you find proof of any kind of God or supernatural force? You didn't, so really you're believing in something without proof, which is pretty stupid compared to someone not believing because of lack of proof. The arguement for atheism is much stronger, that's why I've never lost one.

I'm an atheist because I understand the functions of everything in the universe around me. It's just a bunch of systems interacting forming a larger system. It's actually all logical if you're smart enough to comprehend it. And there's not a stitch of proof of anything unexplained that could be explained as god at work. Religious people are simply delusional.

I forgot to add that atheism isn't a contridiction of itself.

Atheists don't know god doesn't exist, we know that there is just simply no current proof that a god does exist. Without any proof, anyone who has a contrary belief has founded it upon nothing, and religions are simply fictional without facts. In my opinion, no proof will ever be found.

I can't prove that god--the abstract concept of a creator being--doesn't exist. In that sense, I am agnostic. However, God (capital-G-omniscient-omnipotent-omnibenevolent-Christian) is logically inconsistent, and thus I can be reasonably sure that He does not exist. In that sense I am an atheist. You have to distinguish, in these discussions, between capital G God and lowercase g god.



Entheogenic

Let's see here, according to agnosticism we dont know enough. True, but if you look at both viewpoints, they cant both be right. Furthermore, thinking that something is right just because it's the middleground between two extremes is a logical fallacy. I am atheist because it makes sense.

quote:Originally posted by Zay:

Furthermore, thinking that something is right just because it's the middleground between two extremes is a logical fallacy.

That's not what agnostics do. Agnostics believe that the ultimate reality of God's existance is unknown and probably unknowable. It's not taking a middle ground.

quote:Originally posted by Entheogenic:

However, God (capital-G-omniscient-omnipotent-omnibenevolent-Christian) is logically inconsistent

How so? I don't disagree - I'm just interested to hear your thoughts.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by Entheogenic:

However, God (capital-G-omniscient-omnipotent-omnibenevolent-Christian) is logically inconsistent

How so? I don't disagree - I'm just interested to hear your thoughts.

Ugh...I've written dozens of pages on this topic :P

Where to start...personally, I think the existence of evil in the world is the most conclusive proof against the existence of capital-G-God. I'll wait for someone to object to this before elaborating.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)



Entheogenic

quote:Originally posted by TheHammer:

Some Atheists can be considered a contradiction of themselves

Fixed.

Just because one christian bombs an abortion clinic doesn't mean that the bible promotes doing so.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

Its bullshit.

I know there are no gods.

I know there are no gods as much as I know goblins and unicorns.

Since the dawn of man retards have believed in some supernatural shit. Ghosts, spirits, monsters, gods. There is as much evidence for a god is there as much evidence that the shit that came out of my ass this morning wasn't a parralell universe.

Monotheistic religions are relatively new in the history of man. If you're going to believe in some stupid ass magical shit then you might as well believe in the first stupid ass magical shit.

Trying to say God exists because there is no way of prooving there is a god is like saying I have magical powers but im not going to show you because you don't believe me.

If something has no evidence or proof, and it affects nothing that can be explained by other means then there might be some merit in the claim.

If a god/god's were smiting people and the streets and creating things from nothing then you could say EXPLAIN THAT! to scientists, but there is nothing that is not concievably knowable given a long enough period of time.

Scientific advances have been denied then embraced by Religions the world over (apart from the really fucking stupid ones).

Everytime science disproves something in the Bible or the Koran etc religious fucks deny it, then when it gains a significant understanding they switch and claim "God made that happen" or some stupid fucking bullshit.

The earth was thought to be at the centre of the universe, devils and demons where thought to be the cause of illness, fuck, people are still arguing about Evolution just because some people are too fucking stupid or lazy to read a biology textbook and understand what it fucking is.



If you are going to say something is real because it cannot be disproven then you have just narrowed down possible options of magical beings or phenomenon which could be responsible for existance then you might aswell say, "We are all in the matrix" or "The flying spaghetti monster made everyone".

You can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

If you are going to believe in some super natural bullshit, at least invent your own shit you unoriginal fucks.

Oh, millions of christians, millions of muslims, millions of hindu's I wonder why there are so many different religions, I mean to any sane fuck it would look like they are all inventions of a humans just like fucking FICTION.

Why the fuck are people still arguing about this shit. Even if there is this mythical super power that exists but doesnt show its effects in any way that are measurable.

Why doesn't god save innocent babies and stop wars and hunger?

Oh God's testing us? Fuck that. I can work out how to fucking do some good in the world with INFINITE FUCKING POWER and im not infinitely wise or compasionate.

Give it up you fucking pussies.

Big deal, theres no such thing as immortality, get over it, and you're cocks never going to get any bigger unless you break it and hang weights off it as you heal.

quote:

Wonderful.[/B]

Truly the sum of most of my thoughts in my short life.

I think the OP doesn't understand the difference between "contradicting itself" and "Unable to be proven 100% true" which is true of any negative statement. Please molest the english language no more.

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

I think the OP doesn't understand the difference between "contradicting itself" and "Unable to be proven 100% true" which is true of any negative statement. Please molest the english language no more.

It's just what he said. Go fuck yourself, asshat.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

Its bullshit.

I know there are no gods.

I know there are no gods as much as I know goblins and unicorns.

Since the dawn of man retards have believed in some supernatural shit. Ghosts, spirits, monsters, gods. There is as much evidence for a god is there as much evidence that the shit that came out of my ass this morning wasn't a parralell universe.

Monotheistic religions are relatively new in the history of man. If you're going to believe in some stupid ass magical shit then you might as well believe in the first stupid ass magical shit.

Trying to say God exists because there is no way of prooving there is a god is like saying I have magical powers but im not going to show you because you don't believe me.

If something has no evidence or proof, and it affects nothing that can be explained by other means then there might be some merit in the claim.

If a god/god's were smiting people and the streets and creating things from nothing then you could say EXPLAIN THAT! to scientists, but there is nothing that is not concievably knowable given a long enough period of time.

Scientific advances have been denied then embraced by Religions the world over (apart from the really fucking stupid ones).

Everytime science disproves something in the Bible or the Koran etc religious fucks deny it, then when it gains a significant understanding they switch and claim "God made that happen" or some stupid fucking bullshit.

The earth was thought to be at the centre of the universe, devils and demons where thought to be the cause of illness, fuck, people are still arguing about Evolution just because some people are too fucking stupid or lazy to read a biology textbook and understand what it fucking is.



If you are going to say something is real because it cannot be disproven then you have just narrowed down possible options of magical beings or phenomenon which could be responsible for existance then you might aswell say, "We are all in the matrix" or "The flying spaghetti monster made everyone".

You can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

If you are going to believe in some super natural bullshit, at least invent your own shit you unoriginal fucks.

Oh, millions of christians, millions of muslims, millions of hindu's I wonder why there are so many different religions, I mean to any sane fuck it would look like they are all inventions of a humans just like fucking FICTION.

Why the fuck are people still arguing about this shit. Even if there is this mythical super power that exists but doesnt show its effects in any way that are measurable.

Why doesn't god save innocent babies and stop wars and hunger?

Oh God's testing us? Fuck that. I can work out how to fucking do some good in the world with INFINITE FUCKING POWER and im not infinitely wise or compasionate.

Give it up you fucking pussies.

Big deal, theres no such thing as immortality, get over it, and you're cocks never going to get any bigger unless you break it and hang weights off it as you heal.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Jx

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Jx

To choose not to believe in something until evidence is rational, to choose to believe in something in spite of there being no evidence and the very fact that what you are believing in his highly illogical is, simply put, stupid.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

Its bullshit.

I know there are no gods.

I know there are no gods as much as I know goblins and unicorns.

Since the dawn of man retards have believed in some supernatural shit. Ghosts, spirits, monsters, gods. There is as much evidence for a god is there as much evidence that the shit that came out of my ass this morning wasn't a parralell universe.

Monotheistic religions are relatively new in the history of man. If you're going to believe in some stupid ass magical shit then you might as well believe in the first stupid ass magical shit.

Trying to say God exists because there is no way of prooving there is a god is like saying I have magical powers but im not going to show you because you don't believe me.

If something has no evidence or proof, and it affects nothing that can be explained by other means then there might be some merit in the claim.

If a god/god's were smiting people and the streets and creating things from nothing then you could say EXPLAIN THAT! to scientists, but there is nothing that is not concievably knowable given a long enough period of time.

Scientific advances have been denied then embraced by Religions the world over (apart from the really fucking stupid ones).

Everytime science disproves something in the Bible or the Koran etc religious fucks deny it, then when it gains a significant understanding they switch and claim "God made that happen" or some stupid fucking bullshit.

The earth was thought to be at the centre of the universe, devils and demons where thought to be the cause of illness, fuck, people are still arguing about Evolution just because some people are too fucking stupid or lazy to read a biology textbook and understand what it fucking is.



If you are going to say something is real because it cannot be disproven then you have just narrowed down possible options of magical beings or phenomenon which could be responsible for existance then you might aswell say, "We are all in the matrix" or "The flying spaghetti monster made everyone".

You can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

If you are going to believe in some super natural bullshit, at least invent your own shit you unoriginal fucks.

Oh, millions of christians, millions of muslims, millions of hindu's I wonder why there are so many different religions, I mean to any sane fuck it would look like they are all inventions of a humans just like fucking FICTION.

Why the fuck are people still arguing about this shit. Even if there is this mythical super power that exists but doesnt show its effects in any way that are measurable.

Why doesn't god save innocent babies and stop wars and hunger?

Oh God's testing us? Fuck that. I can work out how to fucking do some good in the world with INFINITE FUCKING POWER and im not infinitely wise or compasionate.

Give it up you fucking pussies.

Big deal, theres no such thing as immortality, get over it, and you're cocks never going to get any bigger unless you break it and hang weights off it as you heal.

Disagree with your intolerance, however you bring up some extremely valid points. Good post.

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Jx

Yes, yes it is. I see no evidence for a gigantic purple dildo floating around Pluto, so I'm going to say it's absent. After carefully examining my right hand's pinky finger fingernail, I see no evidence of a tiny version of the Mona Lisa imprinted on it... so I'm going to say there isn't one.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

It was me. Just me. No ego. No body. No thought. No emotion. No wants. No needs. Nothing lacking at all. The void I'd centered my whole life around wasn't there. I faced eternity and found what is called happiness. Upon that finding, I was told to go back and share the truth that is perfection. All life is equal, all death is equal. All truly is one; no flaws, no problems, no imperfections. It is all, it is one, it is everything, it is eternity.

All problems exist in pride - we imagine flaws in a perfect world only to create what is called hell for our self when we try to fix that which is not broken. When we fail to create our ego's idea of perfection, we experience pain, then seek out escape from pain through other creations of various egos only to find a small bit of pleasure that is soon replaced with more pain. Only when we give up the ego's idea of perfection and accept perfection as it is can we see that there is no void. There is nothing needing to be filled - merely a vessel by which truth can be shared so that truth can be recieved.

If you consider that traumatic, cool...I think it was an amazing revelation.

How/when/why did you experience this?

Just wondering.

I've had a similer experience but slightly less powerful. You've had death of ego not death of self, unless you see the two as the same.

quote:Originally posted by Jessic:

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Jx

And yet...

"Absence of proof proves nothing."

Do you agree with that?