I have some rules to posting in my thread. Read these first. I do not want to repeat myself.

No ranting. Ranting is a lump of generalities. I don't like generalities. Back up your view, don't just spew crap that has no proof.

Discuss, do not argue. The one thing that crumbles a person's patience is having some pompous moron call them a "sheeple" or an ignorant fool. You are trying to convine someone of your view, so obviously insulting them won't get you far.

Keep an open mind and a level head. If someone's post pisses you off, take a breather. Try not to feed off of your anger everytime it rises. And just because someone opposes your views doesn't mean they are stupid. Keep an open mind, please.

Your opinion matters to me. Word it and supply it with proof like it matters to you as well.

Well, I don't really want to start off with a tremedously large introduction, so I'll try to keep it short.

Morality: is this just a word? Good, evil, are these nothing but titles as well?

Can you define morales? Can you give a good definition of Good and Evil? Do they even exist?

they exist only in the minds of people.

Morality is what every the social contract of the day says it is.

Morals are subjective and, unlike some would claim, meaningful in that they have a significant affect on our everyday lives.

I think that morals should be created through a consideration of the consequences of various actions and, socially, in an agreement between people based on the contemplation of these consequences of actions.

I also think that we shouldn’t serve morals, but that morals should serve us; and that therefore if a moral isn’t working anymore, we should remove it or alter it instead of being cowardly conservatives.

I think morals are objective things that we must come to terms with subjectively in order to utilize them.

Delete this thread.

Then remake it, spelling "morals" right.

kthxbi

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:



I also think that we shouldn’t serve morals, but that morals should serve us; and that therefore if a moral isn’t working anymore, we should remove it or alter it instead of being cowardly conservatives.

I disagree. Morals define cultures, A culture's moral code tell its people who they are. moral errosion can lead to a culture's decline.

Morals should be the foundation of a culture not the decoration.

Morals are an objective thing. The issue of one's "soul" or their real intent comes into play. The issue of what had to be done, and what could be done without.

We don't wanna commit to having them set in stone, so some call them subjective things, claiming since laws are dictated and not known, they are varying from individual to individual. But morals are there, here, hidden deep inside for some, on or above the surface for others.

quote:Originally posted by ILL-Kayda:

I disagree. Morals define cultures, A culture's moral code tell its people who they are. moral errosion can lead to a culture's decline.

Morals should be the foundation of a culture not the decoration.



I don't care for fixed cultures.

I feel morals are based around what a person values and the way they feel is best to realise these values.

Even if morality is objective, it is impossible to prove, meaning we couldn't accurate differentiate between good and bad anyway.

Every person has different morals, it depends on how that person thinks and what he believes is good or evil. good and bad are also subjective things. the general population labels what good and bad are, but again, the definitions of good and bad are thought up in the mind of every individual and are necessarily the same.

A Culture of Change huh?

i feel that there is always room for a culture to be flexible and dynamic. but a cultures identity comes from it's morals.

quote:Originally posted by Apocalypse Wanderer:

Can you give a good definition of Good and Evil? Do they even exist?

I believe I can. Good is, in general, what causes happiness and/or pleasure. Evil is suffering. I am, however, lazy, and to go fully into what I believe and why would take a looong time.

I also think that we shouldn’t serve morals, but that morals should serve us; and that therefore if a moral isn’t working anymore, we should remove it or alter it instead of being cowardly conservatives.



-Raw_Power

Yeah, okay. So, it is immoral to have sex with children, but it isn't really affecting the pedophiles point of view, is it? So that moral isn't really working for anyone, is it? Are you saying we should make it okay for a person to have sex with children just because they are not affected by the moral constrictions against pedophilia?

they(Morals) exist only in the minds of people.

-vehicular mansLAUGHTER

Well, if they don't exist in our minds, where else would they exist? I'm not really expecting a lion to not eat a child because doing so is morally wrong.



Morality is what every the social contract of the day says it is.

-Q777

Okay. Prove it. A single sentence generality isn't too useful here.



Delete this thread.

Then remake it, spelling "morals" right.

kthxbi

-Conquistador

Uh, no. I won't. Considering everyone else's posts, they have no problem with it. Are you grammatically anal or something? Relax. \

I disagree. Morals define cultures, A culture's moral code tell its people who they are. moral errosion can lead to a culture's decline.

Morals should be the foundation of a culture not the decoration.

-ILL-Kayda

Moral erosion can lead to a country's decline. Indeed it can. But if morals tell a person who they are, then are they not telling them who to be? From what I hear, people don't like that. But hey, I can't be sure.

I don't care for fixed cultures.

-Raw_Power

Would you like to explain why?

I feel morals are based around what a person values and the way they feel is best to realise these values.

Even if morality is objective, it is impossible to prove, meaning we couldn't accurate differentiate between good and bad anyway.

-rent-a-revolution

Do you consider a person who murders people and has sex with their dead corpses in front of other victims evil? Maybe? I don't know how to justify that kind of behavior.

So, from a rough collection of ideas, I am being told that Morals are what you make it. True, but I wonder if we all have the same idea of morals.

Let me push an example out here. Unless you are insane or fanatically fearful of being wrong, I'm sure you don't find the suffering of another human particularly pleasant. You probably don't dream of decorating the walls of your home with the blood of babies, and you probably don't yearn to go out and rape someone. Am I terribly wrong here?

So what do you think of those who -do- commit rape and murder and similar acts of "immorality"?

Do you think to yourself, "Eh, that cannibal-rapist out there isn't evil?"

Or do you think, "Sick motherfucker. I don't care what his excuse is, what he does is -evil-? "

Is good and evil really that undefinable? Are morales really not the same for every sane mind?

quote:Yeah, okay. So, it is immoral to have sex with children, but it isn't really affecting the pedophiles point of view, is it? So that moral isn't really working for anyone, is it? Are you saying we should make it okay for a person to have sex with children just because they are not affected by the moral constrictions against pedophilia?

they(Morals) exist only in the minds of people.

Harrumph, I’m talking about morals in a social sense, since we live in a society and nothing will change that. It would be catastrophic for society if paedophilia is legal for reasons that you yourself know, so those morals still work for us and should therefore be kept.

Why I don't care for fixed cultures:

I believe that the most important attribute of existence is process. Process causes process and process causes existence and process is within existence (birth, aging, death, decomposition; all processes). When things become stagnate, conservatism, they cause people, not all but enough, to serve morals and authorities without question, cause boredom and depression and feelings of entrapment in an unfair world (“it’s always the same! Birth, work, death! Life sucks!”). And if we were all true conservatives, there’d still be slaves.

Morals, like many things, can only be construed as manners can be. That is, everybody will have a different view of what they are.

To suggest that morals do not exist would seem a little far fetched as you can look far back even to the simplest times and humans still had a code of conduct.

Whilst these 'rules' may have simply been natures way of helping humans to survive, it is inevitable that without 'morals' we would soon cease to exist (see greenhouse gases as a perfect example, the first people to mass complain were those who felt a moral obligation to 'save the earth' as it were).

As to the definition of a moral, the dictionary describes it as 'Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character'. Now again this directly relates to what you actually feel is a bad human action.

I personally believe that in many instances, slapping your child on the backside when they wont behave is a good detterant. However, many people would disagree and class this as a bad action and take a moral stance.

Therefore, like everything in the human world, morals are simply a set of opinions, much like a music preference.

Without a doubt, morals must be part of our society, but also without a doubt, everybody should be entitled to their own set.

-DD-