My bets going towards scientology, but the mormons are preety goddamn close.

what do y'all think?

edit: this is in no means meant to offend anyone, its just a goddamn question, so be candid. Tell us what you really think.

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They all suck.

Scientology is probably the worst.

The various sects of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have probably caused more worldwide suffering then every other religion and cult combined. If you mean the worst as in the most unrealistic, take your pick. Sure Scientology is a bunch of bullshit, but name one of them that isn't. At least the crazy Scientologist can't really hurt anyone.

Rastefarianism. They worship the Emperor of Ethiopia, Halie Selassie as a black God, even though the commie mengitsu strangled him and buried him under a shitter. Rastefarians suck.

I'd vote Scientology simply because of the sheer magnitude of stupidity you need to believe that load of shit.

I'm going to vote for Christianity, only because it's just as retarded as Scientology and millions actually believe it.

The real shit is the stuff people gloss over.

quote:Originally posted by Taldier:

The various sects of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have probably caused more worldwide suffering then every other religion and cult combined. If you mean the worst as in the most unrealistic, take your pick. Sure Scientology is a bunch of bullshit, but name one of them that isn't.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

I'm going to vote for Christianity, only because it's just as retarded as Scientology and millions actually believe it.

The real shit is the stuff people gloss over.

plus they over time practically force people to follow thier beliefs therefor I'd say Islam is as bad as well

The ones where you have to kill yourself.

atheism

athiest are stupid, not a religion, but lack of religion is just as stupid as the stupid ones

ex. scientology & mormons, dumbasses

The question itself is questionable, since "good" and "bad" are just value judgements, meaning little.

In a sense, every religion is objectionable, since they all tend to be divisive. Spirituality, on the other hand, says that we are All One, no one is any "better" or "worse" than anyone else, and that God therefore loves us all equally and neither judges nor punishes.

However, some religious beliefs ARE--in my opinion--more bizarre and creepy than others. To me, the Christian idea of the resurrection of the body is right up there--shades of "Night of the Living Dead."

The Mormon thing about the golden plates (which mysteriously vanished) and the concept of converting the dead are pretty looney tunes, as well.

Some Buddhists believe that when the Buddha was born, he took seven steps and spoke seven words. This seems, to me, to be --well, pretty darn unlikely.

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One word : Pastafareism

quote:Originally posted by NinjaSpacePirateOfDeath:

athiest are stupid, not a religion, but lack of religion is just as stupid as the stupid ones

ex. scientology & mormons, dumbasses

You do realize that Totse is filled with an overabundance of intelligent atheists, so you may want to back that one up, homeslice.

quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

You do realize that Totse is filled with an overabundance of intelligent atheists, so you may want to back that one up, homeslice.

I was thinking that. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

As for worst? All of them, save for the eastern religions which seem to be more philosophical and insightful than god fearing.

quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

You do realize that Totse is filled with an overabundance of intelligent atheists, so you may want to back that one up, homeslice.

So smart that they've decided to abandon the collective and come into the flesh? *sigh*

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

So smart that they've decided to abandon the collective and come into the flesh? *sigh*

Die troll.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

I'm going to vote for Christianity, only because it's just as retarded as Scientology and millions actually believe it.

The real shit is the stuff people gloss over.

I couldn't agree more.

quote:Originally posted by ShouldTrip:

Die troll.

I'm a troll because I see the mistake in seeking knowledge when all I can find is information and faith? Thanks.

I've found that Christians are alot like the Borg from Star Trek; they ignore you until they percive you as a threat... then they try to assimilate you into their hive. If that doesn't work, then they try to destroy your life. Scientology is also like this, only it's memebers don't usually act autonomously like Christians so often do.

Uh Hex,

Knowledge is information, and knowledge made the computer your typing on. That is unless "God" has allowed you to channel your thoughts directly onto totse

Anything that sets limits on you without giving you anything back, except for silly promises of access to paradise and such.

quote:Originally posted by MongolianThroatCancer:

atheism

Atheism isn't a religion, dumbass.

scientologists and mormons are both cults. the worst religion ever is christianity, if you go by how bad its fucked up the world.

quote:Originally posted by w33d:

scientologists and mormons are both cults. the worst religion ever is christianity, if you go by how bad its fucked up the world.

ALL religions are cults. Every single one started as a "cult" they just changed the name.

Latter day Saints are actually much more common than scientologists from my expirience aswell.

quote:Originally posted by NinjaSpacePirateOfDeath:

athiest are stupid, not a religion, but lack of religion is just as stupid as the stupid ones

ex. scientology & mormons, dumbasses

How is a lack of religion stupid?

It shows that people are only willing to believe in something if they have concrete evidence to support the claim.

People who blindly believe in a god without any justification and then directly contradict the teachings of their religion, by forming inquisitions and blowing people up, are the stupid ones.



~Q~

quote:Originally posted by NinjaSpacePirateOfDeath:

athiest are stupid, not a religion, but lack of religion is just as stupid as the stupid ones

ex. scientology & mormons, dumbasses

If I see this fucking piece of incredible stupidity and ignorance one more time I'm going to fucking kill something. This has been dealt with twice that I know of it this week alone. We really need a "sticky" system.

^I tend to agree, only without the hyperbole. In fact, atheism is a sort of theology, but that childish nonsense of labelling someone else's belief system as "stupid" is --well, unevolved, to put it politely.

It gets tiresome.

And has anyone else noticed, how often that posts proclaiming that atheists are somehow more "intelligent" than the rest of us are rife with spelling and grammatical errors?

quote:" In fact, atheism is a sort of theology,"

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. Nothing more. Saying Atheism is a theology is like calling bald a hair colour.

Most atheists look at life from a scientific perspective. This is the exact opposite of theism. In science you do not believe anything. That is why even basic scientific principles are called theories. For example, I do not "believe" that there is no god. I simply find the concept so incredibly statistically unlikely that I see no reason to even consider your claims of an all powerful magical man in the sky without some evidence. If a god were to literally fly down from the sky, he/she/it could easily prove their existence through a demonstration of "miracles" under a controlled set of circumstances. Atheism is not a belief system it is merely a skeptical view of the world based on logic and experimentation.

Then again there is also the ethical consideration that I would never worship a god who would eternally punish good people just for not believing in him (like the Christian "God"). Therefore I take the exact opposite route as Pascal's Wager (look it up). By not believing in a god I don't look like an idiot (yes I am implying that you do), and if there is any god worth worshiping he will not punish me because I am an ethical person.

Either way atheism is not a belief system, it is a way of thinking. There is a big difference between "I believe" and "I think". Atheists don’t have a holy book that we all believe in; we only have theories about the world based on actual empirical evidence.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

They all suck.

quote:Originally posted by Taldier:

Uh Hex,

Knowledge is information, and knowledge made the computer your typing on. That is unless "God" has allowed you to channel your thoughts directly onto totse

No. Information gathered from the world, and the faith that utilizing it can create new information, has created this computer I use to communicate with you.

Knowledge in human terms is ignorance: We don't know.

Information is a collection of data from which we use faith to draw different conclusions from it.

RP:

Atheism isn't a religion, dumbass.

*thumps up*

Atheism results when you respect information more than faith.

Theism when you respect faith more than information.

They're both forms of agnosticism though...life IS agnosticism.

Certainly you can redefine words all you want and make up your own quasi-religious slang. However the fact remains that information and knowledge are synonyms. Maybe wisdom would be better for what you are trying to express, or maybe there just isn't a word for it.

There was no faith involved in creating the computer. People did not believe in scientific principles behind it, they merely thought they were true. Faith implies an absolute belief without evidence. Those who are truly faithful pride themselves on believing in whatever they believe because it is something hard to believe in. They don't want evidence that they are correct, because that would make their faith less meaningful.

It is inaccurate to say that "Information is a collection of data from which we use faith to draw different conclusions from it." As I said faith is by definition the lack of information. If you believe in something because of information, then you do not truly believe you merely think it is true. If new information was found it could cause you to think something else, while people who believe would remain faithful no matter what they see or hear. Also, conclusions are often drawn from information without any faith involved. It simply means that the person that thinks up that conclusion is not sure, and could be dissuaded by other new information.

In my personal opinion your definition of atheism and theism are very oversimplified, but that is because I disagree with your personal definition of the terms you use to define them. Your definition of agnosticism is simply not correct however. Agnosticism is simply not being sure. You can be an agnostic theist who is not positive that there is a god, or an agnostic atheist who is not sure that there isn't. Often these groups are grouped together and simply labeled agnostic. On both sides however there are people who are absolutely sure that they are right.

When you say "life is agnosticism" you are once again giving a word a connotation that it does not have. There may or may not be a better way to express this, I'm not entirely sure what your trying to express.

This brings me to my final comment Hex. You post your opinions in almost every thread, but never clearly define them in one single idea. Maybe you should just make a thread where you can clearly express your unique and interesting opinions to avoid confusion. I think you tend to oversimplify too much, and much of what you’re intending to say gets lost in translation. Sometimes you sound like a poet, sometimes like a kid on a bad trip. I think people would be able to understand your opinions better if you put them all together in a clear understandable and well-defined form. Also people would probably stop calling you a troll.

The worst religion ever in my opinion had to be whatever the first religion was.

For the simple fact that it got the whole self-perpetuating ball of superstitious wax rolling.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology historically they all suck but none of them would have ever existed if some primitive cave-man troglodyte hadn't convinced the rest of the tribe to follow him because he hears voices in his head.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

And has anyone else noticed, how often that posts proclaiming that atheists are somehow more "intelligent" than the rest of us are rife with spelling and grammatical errors?

I recall you yourself making a thread in Paradox saying that atheists seemed more intelligent to you. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

wouldnt say worse, wont say which i feel is the worst but i would probably say is that i dont think ide get much out of a Theistic religion

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. Nothing more. Saying Atheism is a theology is like calling bald a hair colour.

That made me laugh. hahaha

Scientology, fo' sho', because we can be 99.999999% sure it is total, and utter bollocks, made up in recent times by a conman, for the purpose of getting rich quick, and creating an immensely powerful organisation to carve out influence on this world...

All religions have the potential to do good however, and despite the extreme bullshit that has arrised from the monotheistic religions, they have definatly done good for humanity, as well as served their purpose in allowing the human race to develop this far...

Now we need a new "religion" examing the spirituality of our minds, and the greater truths to life than many hard materialist, atheist scientists make out.

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Obviously no one here has read the Quran or appears to know anything about it.

So how about a few quotes to get the flavor from this “peaceful religion”.

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [infidels/non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”



Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Quran 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

And this boys and girls is the motivation behind our current group of terrorists, and why they hate us. Unfortunately these quotes are just the tip of the iceberg.

quote:Originally posted by Spock:

Obviously no one here has read the Quran or appears to know anything about it.

So how about a few quotes to get the flavor from this “peaceful religion”.

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [infidels/non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”



Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Quran 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

And this boys and girls is the motivation behind our current group of terrorists, and why they hate us. Unfortunately these quotes are just the tip of the iceberg.

Although that isn't word for word what im reading in the Qur'an I have it carries mostly the same meaning

quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

I'd vote Scientology simply because of the sheer magnitude of stupidity you need to believe that load of shit.

And yet, some very intelligent people are Scientologists... Figure that one out.

I'd vote Scientology & the Mormons first, then the rest of the religions second.

Mormons, can't understand them either. Would rather let their child die rather than give them a blood transfusion.

quote:"Obviously no one here has read the Quran or appears to know anything about it.

So how about a few quotes to get the flavor from this “peaceful religion”.

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [infidels/non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Quran 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

And this boys and girls is the motivation behind our current group of terrorists, and why they hate us. Unfortunately these quotes are just the tip of the iceberg."

Indeed. Islam is not a "religion of peace", and could certainly benefit from lightening the fuck up. At one time Christianity was just as violent, now most Christians seem to ignore those passages in their bible.

Also: Word, Spock. Live long and kick ass.

quote:Originally posted by DeuceOmen:

Although that isn't word for word what im reading in the Qur'an I have it carries mostly the same meaning



You are correct. As I understand it there are 12 different translations of the Quran, these quotes are a compilation taken from the five most common ones. Even the experts cannot agree as to what exactly is said in this “clearly” written book. The original is written in a form of Arabic that few understand plus the grammar is so poor that translators are forces to add left out words and phrases just so some of the sentences will make sense.



We are told that Allah had a direct hand in the writing of the Quran, if that is so then we can only assume that Allah is just as illiterate as Mohammad was. Then of course there is the very real possibility that Mohammad just made the whole thing up as a means of controlling the bunch of merry men that followed him.

quote:Originally posted by Spock:

Obviously no one here has read the Quran or appears to know anything about it.

So how about a few quotes to get the flavor from this “peaceful religion”.

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [infidels/non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”



Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Quran 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

And this boys and girls is the motivation behind our current group of terrorists, and why they hate us. Unfortunately these quotes are just the tip of the iceberg.



yep y ou got that righttt



theres something else i once read where it says something like a muslim is allowed to lie to a "non-believer" or disguise things about the religion in order to bring out best in Islam



so basicly yeah i think you get what im trying to say.....

You have to be incredibly stupid to believe anything that sounds unreasonable just because it is written. So in my opinion none is worse than the other. Although scientolgists and mormons take pathetically weak logic to a new level.

It this the quote you’re thinking about?

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

ermmm if your asking me nah thats not the one

but dayum, they aint keen on "non-believers" are theyyy

not like im keen on them anyways

quote:Originally posted by Taldier:

Most atheists look at life from a scientific perspective. This is the exact opposite of theism. In science you do not believe anything. That is why even basic scientific principles are called theories. For example, I do not "believe" that there is no god. I simply find the concept so incredibly statistically unlikely that I see no reason to even consider your claims of an all powerful magical man in the sky without some evidence. If a god were to literally fly down from the sky, he/she/it could easily prove their existence through a demonstration of "miracles" under a controlled set of circumstances. Atheism is not a belief system it is merely a skeptical view of the world based on logic and experimentation.

Then again there is also the ethical consideration that I would never worship a god who would eternally punish good people just for not believing in him (like the Christian "God"). Therefore I take the exact opposite route as Pascal's Wager (look it up). By not believing in a god I don't look like an idiot (yes I am implying that you do), and if there is any god worth worshiping he will not punish me because I am an ethical person.

Either way atheism is not a belief system, it is a way of thinking. There is a big difference between "I believe" and "I think". Atheists don’t have a holy book that we all believe in; we only have theories about the world based on actual empirical evidence.





This is the greatest thing I've ever read. Thanks for making my day and evaluating my life.



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quote:Originally posted by Surak:

I'm going to vote for Christianity, only because it's just as retarded as Scientology and millions actually believe it.

The real shit is the stuff people gloss over.



Except Christianity is based on shit that ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

quote:Originally posted by CheebaKing:



Except Christianity is based on shit that ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

And this statement is true based on what evidence?

quote:"Except Christianity is based on shit that ACTUALLY HAPPENED."

"Actual" historical events and locations exist in all kinds of fiction. Just because San Fransisco exists in Star Trek doesn't mean that there REALLY IS a Captain Kirk flying around out there, porking alien women. One of the levels in Halo 2 is based on an actual town called Zanzibar, in Africa. Doesn't mean that Master Chief is gonna team up with Freddie Mercury and use the power of rock and roll to save Earth from religious fucknauts.

Are you gonna tell me that we're the lost 13th colony of Man because it says so on Battlestar Galactica?

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No dude that's completely out of context..

What I'm saying is that there is actual evidence that Christ existed (there's no proof that Captn Kirk existed). Whether or not he did all those fancy miracles is irrelevant, because it's the stuff that Christ preached about that we base our religion on. There's no proof that he rose from the dead or walked on water, I realize this, and it may sound just as retarded as scientology. But the Bible, and its message, are obviously real.

You said, "Except Christianity is based on shit that ACTUALLY HAPPENED."

That's alot different than saying that Jesus existed (which there really isn't a whole lot of evidence for). There's a hell of alot more evidence that L. Ron Hubbard existed. What in Christianity ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

quote:Originally posted by CheebaKing

But the Bible, and its message, are obviously real.

Of course the Bible is real. So is Dianetics.

This has been on my mind for a while. Why is Scientology even considered a religion, there's no God that they worship (not to my understanding) only things to buy and shit in order to get through "The Bridge". Wouldn't it just be a really really big club or something?

Faith is disgusting. Believing in something for no reason and with no evidence....can you understand, how DUMB that is? If heaven was real I would still not want to go. Heaven is the epitome of hedonism; streets of gold and nothing but pleasure. WTF. This is a materialistic society, with a materialistic religion. You, in the LITERAL sence, worship pleasure and material.

And to the dude who said that the Christian religion is based on the Bible's message...

NO.

It is based on you getting into a nonexistent afterlife of perpetuating hedonism.

And the Bible's message sucks anyways. You can get an equal ammount of morale fiber out of childrens books.

quote:Originally posted by NinjaSpacePirateOfDeath:

athiest are stupid, not a religion, but lack of religion is just as stupid as the stupid ones

ex. scientology & mormons, dumbasses

You think that if someone doesn't believe all the BS he is given, it makes him stupid?

quote:Originally posted by Innoculation Scars:

And to the dude who said that the Christian religion is based on the Bible's message...

NO.

It is based on you getting into a nonexistent afterlife of perpetuating hedonism.

And the Bible's message sucks anyways. You can get an equal ammount of morale fiber out of childrens books.



Perpetuating hedonism? You're talking out of your ass. And who the fuck ever said that Heaven had streets of gold and temporary pleasures? The whole idea of heaven is very vague, even in the Bible, so i dont know where you're getting your information from.

And yes Christianity is based on the bible's message because it's didactic fiction. You can't take it literally... you have to read between the lines.

quote:What I'm saying is that there is actual evidence that Christ existed

No, there's not. There's one document, and it's questionable whether it was corrupted or not by Christians.

And you'd think there'd be far more books written, considering one of the Bibles said the dead walked the day Jesus died, and that 500 people saw him rise from the dead and ascend into heaven.

Really!? Where in the bible does it say that? As far as i know only the 12 apostles saw Christ ascend into heaven. And nothing ever mentioned the dead walking the day he died... Are we perhaps reading different texts?

quote:Originally posted by CheebaKing:

Really!? Where in the bible does it say that? As far as i know only the 12 apostles saw Christ ascend into heaven. And nothing ever mentioned the dead walking the day he died... Are we perhaps reading different texts?

You have read the first four books of the new testament, haven't you?... Each of them tells the story slightly different, one even states 500 people saw it happen.

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quote:Originally posted by Spock:



You are correct. As I understand it there are 12 different translations of the Quran, these quotes are a compilation taken from the five most common ones. Even the experts cannot agree as to what exactly is said in this “clearly” written book. The original is written in a form of Arabic that few understand plus the grammar is so poor that translators are forces to add left out words and phrases just so some of the sentences will make sense.



We are told that Allah had a direct hand in the writing of the Quran, if that is so then we can only assume that Allah is just as illiterate as Mohammad was. Then of course there is the very real possibility that Mohammad just made the whole thing up as a means of controlling the bunch of merry men that followed him.

Islam is not a violent religeon. People are violent. Religeons become violent when violent people twist the meanings of the religeon to further their own agendas.

Is someone illiterate just beacuse you are too ignorant to get past the language barrier?

The Old Testament is violent and encourages violence, and Jesus appears really violent in revelations.

quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:

The Old Testament is violent and encourages violence, and Jesus appears really violent in revelations.



I find it ironic that many Christians beleive in EVERYTHING that the bible says, but then they completely deny revelations.

quote:Originally posted by Taldier:

The various sects of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have probably caused more worldwide suffering then every other religion and cult combined.



Why are you trying to distinguish between cult and religion? They're the exact same thing in denotation.

quote:Originally posted by MongolianThroatCancer:

atheism

what u got against not believeing in the loads of fairy tales that make up religions?

hater.

I'm trying to understand why anyone cares which religion is the worst? For the most part the things mentioned in many religious texts are literally and physically impossible, even with modern technical advances.

How likely is it that the earth just magically appeared in its current state in just seven days. SEVEN days. You can build a terrible house in seven days, but by no known means, save another cosmic blast, can a planet as fully functional and as alive as this one, in SEVEN days.

And there is obviously some pretty fucking amazing and real evidence that humans DID NOT pop out of Adams rib cage one day. We have slowly and steadily evolved over thousands and millions of years.

quote:Originally posted by ShouldTrip:

ALL religions are cults. Every single one started as a "cult" they just changed the name.

Latter day Saints are actually much more common than scientologists from my expirience aswell.I think you may be one of the only ones on this forum that knows the actual name for the "mormons." And they are quite common, over 12 million worldwide.

All you people criticize a religion you know nothing about. And you call us stupid. I am LDS, and I don't blindly criticize atheism or any other religion like you do. So much for your superiority over "stupid" religions. We don't covert the dead like was said. I am willing to bet that what almost all of you think you know of the LDS religion is wrong. Especially if you don't even know the actual name for it. If you actually learn anything about it, it makes more sense than pretty much any other Christian religion out there. But you just refuse to look into it because you want to hate it, you don't want to believe it might be true no matter what.

I am not stupid and I do not blindly follow my religion, nor do I think that science contradicts it. There are many religious people that are stupid, but there are just as many non-religious that are as well.

quote:Originally posted by Hash House Harrier:

How likely is it that the earth just magically appeared in its current state in just seven days. SEVEN days. You can build a terrible house in seven days, but by no known means, save another cosmic blast, can a planet as fully functional and as alive as this one, in SEVEN days.

And there is obviously some pretty fucking amazing and real evidence that humans DID NOT pop out of Adams rib cage one day. We have slowly and steadily evolved over thousands and millions of years. If you look at the original Hebrew from which the Bible was translated, the word that was translated into "day" actually means something closer to "time parts." Not only that, but you're trying to apply the laws of the universe that He created to God himself. That just isn't logical in any sense.