I am Christian, but I am also a scientist, which of course, science and religion don't coincide. I was thinking maybe they can. My theory in plain terms God is the Bing Bang He is the first particle, which made up submatter and so forth. Everything has a proton or neutron or electron, and God is in everything, just like particles. I have more but want to know what others think.

That's not an unheard of concept.

The Baha'is liken science and religion to "the two wings of a bird" and a man cannot fly with one wing, but needs both.

Sounds to me like you're going in the same direction.

Sounds ridiculous to me. "Okay so basically we have an entire universe that seems to work without the need to bring a creator in... but let's just say there is one anyway. He's, like, everything. Why am I coming up with this notion which is in total defiance of Occam's Razor? Because I want there to be a God, and this way I can say there is one without having to obey or believe any religious text! Hooray!"

I see no conflict between science and spirituality. Evolution ,and whatever, works the way God designed it.

To me, God may be defined as a force, or asentient and loving energy/vibration, not a discrete entity per se. And we are all Individuations of the Divine.

I don't see a conflict either, I know that people will see what they want to see.

They can pretend that they don't see unity in all that is, and creation as a constant along with every other cycle, but I know that if you just look you will see that everywhere in the universe.

I know that the energy which creates the universe may be conscious in the same way the energy within our brain and being emitted and connected to by our brain and body is. Along with every other particle in the universe.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

"Okay so basically we have an entire universe that seems to work without the need to bring a creator in..."

There's no need or requirement, it's just the way it is.

[quote][b] but let's just say there is one anyway.

In my opinon, that's ignorant, don't do that, you'll just end up getting confused and believing that there is no creator.

quote: He's, like, everything.

Not so fast.

He would be the cause of everything, and he would be behind everything.

While up front, there are people like us, there are disconnected (seemingly) conscious awarenesses, and other "seperations".

But what is said is that on the only level that exists, and is not imaginary (IE:in our heads) there is only one consciousness, and one perpetuating force which creates things.

So no. It's not "he's like everything".

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Why am I coming up with this notion which is in total defiance of Occam's Razor?



You keep limiting yourself and I'd be surprised if you saw beyond the walls of thought you put up around you.

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Because I want there to be a God.



End your desires!

Are you trying to imitate those who believe in God? What do you know about them?! Do you know for a fact that they wanted a God to exist?

Or that God wanted them to know he existed!

It's just ignorant to make fun like that, it's not observing or inferring, it's literally making fun, no body wanted a god to exist, you first start to want to see things truthfully and clearly and you eventually run upon the truth which is an path intertwined with other consciousnesses and beings and creations.

I can see you are on your own path though.

my opinion about this is that god started the big bang. He doesnt directly intervene, he just guides things along. If that makes sense to you.

quote:Originally posted by BanginAssDopeGirl:

I am Christian, but I am also a scientist, which of course, science and religion don't coincide.

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I have more but want to know what others think.

I think the 'Big Bang' is far from a proven fact. Stephen Hawking P.54 "A Brief History of Time": quote:" ... in the end our work was generally accepted and nowadays nearly everyone assumes that the universe started with a big bang singularity. It is perhaps ironic that, having changed my mind, I am now trying to convince other physicists that there was no singularity at the beginning of the universe - as we shall see later, it can disappear once quantum effects are taken into account."

Hawkings goes on to outline the effects of space time curvature due to gravity and likens a trip thru time in the universe, as a journey around the earth, where if one started in a particular spot, travelled in one direction, even tho it would appear you were always travelling in one 'plane', you would eventually end up where you started. This model of the universe has no beginning and no end.

You enjoy science but think science and religion don't coincide? Suggest you read "QUANTUM QUESTIONS", MYSTICAL WRITINGS OF THE WORLDS GREATEST PHYSICISTS, Edited by Ken Wilbur, Shambala Publications.

quote:"There can never be any real opposition between religion and science. Every serious and reflective person realises, I think, that the religious element in his nature must be recognised and cultivated if all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance and harmony. And, indeed, it was not by accident that the greatest thinkers of all ages were also deeply religious souls, even though they made no public show of their religious feelings. It is from the cooperation of the understanding with the will that the finest fruit of philosophy has arisen, namely the ethical fruit. Science enhances the moral values of life because it furthers a love of truth and reverence - love of truth displaying itself in the constant endeavour to arrive at a more exact knowledge of the world of mind and matter around us, and reverence, because every advance in knowledge brings us face to face with the mystery of our own being."Max Planck(1854-1947) "It was Max Planck's bold, brilliant, daring, and wholly unprecendented leap of genius that, in 1900, ushered in the entire quantum revolution, for it was Planck who hit upon the idea that nature is not continuous, but rather comes in discrete packets or quanta. Justly regarded as the father of modern quantum theory, Planck was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1918(Ibid P.157

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Ate, my post was clearly facetious and not to be taken as an indication of my actual beliefs or attitude toward the beliefs of others. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

Nah, son, it came out of you, don't put it away, face it.

Although I agree with redzed post.

So what does your god do?