Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

ya i thought no one would come because no one can say because evolution is bs

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stfu troll.. allow more than 17 minutes to pass before bitching about somethning

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

You could as well ask how god created "something out of nothing"?

Peace http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

You could ask where god came from and how he made something out of nothing too, troll.

Also, evolution does not deal with the origin of life, but with the origin of species.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

You could ask where god came from and how he made something out of nothing too, troll.

Also, evolution does not deal with the origin of life, but with the origin of species.

Im not a troll this is serious and i know who God did that stuff(he is God)

But your next paragraph mentioned not species but life well that life had to be a species so how did that FIRSt species come into existence

And they have hypothosis about the "how it all began" so let me hear it

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What part of "evolution does not deal with the origin of life" did you not understand?

Before you begin your futile attempt to discredit the theory of evolution, you really should learn more about the subject.

quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

What part of "evolution does not deal with the origin of life" did you not understand?

Before you begin your futile attempt to discredit the theory of evolution, you really should learn more about the subject.

first of all evolution is not a theory its a hyputhosis and secondly i opened the thread cause i dont know anything about the subject of evolution

so stay on topic and explain what evolutionists say happened in the VERY brginning

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lol, this kid is the greatest troll ever.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

lol, this kid is the greatest troll ever.

Dude just because i say something that u cant have an answer to no reason to call me a troll so ppl wont post



but for right now i g2g ill answer questions or comments tomorrow



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Does anyone else think Sammy is Ate?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

first of all evolution is not a theory its a hyputhosis and secondly i opened the thread cause i dont know anything about the subject of evolution

so stay on topic and explain what evolutionists say happened in the VERY brginning



The theory of evolution being "just a hypothesis" will come as a shock to a great many scientists. It's amazing as to how they all are mistaken(even though they have spent many years testing the theory in real world applications) and you, with no understanding of even the basic fundamentals , are certain that it is merely a hypothesis.

Pay attention this time. The theory of Evolution does not deal with the beginnings of life.

It matters not how life began.Evolution deals with changes in species. That's it. Nothing else.

If you are looking for the most commonly accepted theory for the beginning of the universe, that would be the Big Bang. For the beginning of life, Abiogenesis.



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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Does anyone else think Sammy is Ate?

No. I think he is just a kid who is not nearly as intelligent as he believes himself to be.

If you wanna know what evolutionists say, then ask evolutionists(as in those who study it, perhaps on an evolution vs creation message board, or a science site), not a bunch of people on a &TOTSE message board.

Do your own friggin' research

Find your own facts



And btw, evolution is a theory. Not a hypothesis. And it doesn't even begin to deal with the origin of LIFE. That's a whole other theory, or whatever, one that I don't readily know the name of.

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quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

That's a whole other theory, or whatever, one that I don't readily know the name of.

Abiogenesis.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

If you wanna know what evolutionists say, then ask evolutionists(as in those who study it, perhaps on an evolution vs creation message board, or a science site), not a bunch of people on a &TOTSE message board.

Or maybe go to the Mad Scientists forum.

http://www.totse.com/bin/bbs/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=25

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

God may have created everything, but you're obviously to ignorant to be able to figure out how he might have caused things to be, so why don't you just let the trained professionals(scientists) take it from here, k?



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Most evolutionists agree with the

theory that you should read a book.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Does anyone else think Sammy is Ate?

I'm so glad I've made such an impression on you, I'm glad to know you've been thinking of me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Evolution deals with the beginnings of a species...and the changes that a species goes through...along with being based on survival all the way through.

So what's the survival factor of hatred?

quote:Originally posted by ate:

I'm so glad I've made such an impression on you, I'm glad to know you've been thinking of me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Evolution deals with the beginnings of a species...and the changes that a species goes through...along with being based on survival all the way through.

So what's the survival factor of hatred?

I wasn't thinking of you until I read his posts and thought "fuck, this kid acts just like ate"

quote:Originally posted by ate:

So what's the survival factor of hatred?

What is your point here?

You aren't born with hatred.

I don't think it's a result

of genetic selection at all.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Does anyone else think Sammy is Ate?

no, ate isnt retarded.

you just have a hate-on for him...cause he 'ruined' a thread of yours or somthing.

edit- oh....go look at that old thread....the one where everyone bashed the creationists.

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lol... pretty lame thread... sammy, GREAT idea to try to discredit something you dont know by asking what it is. retard...

darwinian evolution says that the weak ones or ones which are not suited to their environments die, and those who are strong or ones which are well adapted to their environment can pass on their genetic material. it says NOTHING about creation you idiot, its not comparable with god.

and before you say evolution is bs, get a brain, then get a book. bacteria and viruses are evolving every second. that's why we dont throw antibiotic around.

This short video does a good job of explaining the origins of life on earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1KGZSFmfs

I really, really, really hope that SAMMY is a troll.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Originally posted by ate:

I'm so glad I've made such an impression on you, I'm glad to know you've been thinking of me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Evolution deals with the beginnings of a species...and the changes that a species goes through...along with being based on survival all the way through.

So what's the survival factor of hatred?

I wasn't thinking of you until I read his posts and thought "fuck, this kid acts just like ate"

So you were thinking of me!

I feel so loved...

You like being loved, huh?

*loves Ate in a physical way*

Evolution is REAL.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/spontaneous-generation.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

Abiogenesis was recently confirmed as probable some few years back. I haven't read anything on it recently, but I think it was roughly that: Amino acids are the most basic form of 'life', and can rise from energy disruptions in inorganic material.

quote:Originally posted by Q777:

Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

http ://en.wiki pedia.org/ wiki/Abiog enesis (http: //en.wikip edia.org/w iki/Abioge nesis) http:/ /www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/spontaneous-generation.html (http: //www.talk origins.or g/faqs/abi oprob/spon taneous-ge neration.h tml)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang http://www .talkorigi ns.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html (http: //www.talk origins.or g/faqs/ast ronomy/big bang.html)



thank u Q777 although what was written in there was really long I read most of it although i thout it was a bunch of bs i commend u for trying unlike the other ppl here who just didnt have an answer so they changed the subject

i see now that most of the people here are just noobs that cant barely complete a sentece (which explains why they believe in evolution) i thought this would be a challenge to reply to people but most of their comments or questions didnt deserve a response because they were poorly thought out and researched

so i guess i will just go back to posting my comments on "i found it on the web" and others because of funny stories because im sure i will get tired of going back and looking at peoples post and not even replying to them because they were as stupid as the HYPOTHOSIS of evolution.



I WIN GET OVER IT........AND I HOPE I DO NOT SEE U IN HELL.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

thank u Q777 although what was written in there was really long I read most of it although i thout it was a bunch of bs i commend u for trying unlike the other ppl here who just didnt have an answer so they changed the subject

i see now that most of the people here are just noobs that cant barely complete a sentece (which explains why they believe in evolution) i thought this would be a challenge to reply to people but most of their comments or questions didnt deserve a response because they were poorly thought out and researched

so i guess i will just go back to posting my comments on "i found it on the web" and others because of funny stories because im sure i will get tired of going back and looking at peoples post and not even replying to them because they were as stupid as the HYPOTHOSIS of evolution.



I WIN GET OVER IT........AND I HOPE I DO NOT SEE U IN HELL.

Being the judgemental fuck you are, I think you'll be by yourself there...

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Being the judgemental fuck you are, I think you'll be by yourself there...

U dont get saved because of your actions u get saved on your belief in GOD im not catholic those people have ruined the face of christianity.(and the only reason i replied to this is cause i dont want u to walk away thinking that works get u into heaven)

Ps.62:12

"For you render to each one according to his works."

Jer.17:10

"I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Mt.12:37

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Mt.16:27

"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

Mt.19:17

"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Lk.10:26-28

"He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Jn.5:29

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Rom.2:6, 13

"Who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'. For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified."

2 Cor.5:10

"For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

2 Cor.11:15

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

Jas.2:14

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?"

Jas.2:17

"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Jas.2:21-25

"Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

1 Pet.1:17

"The Father, who without pariality judges according to each one's work."

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

U dont get saved because of your actions u get saved on your belief in GOD im not catholic those people have ruined the face of christianity.(and the only reason i replied to this is cause i dont want u to walk away thinking that works get u into heaven)

You get saved because you save yourself from the hell you put yourself into; God's there to help, but you still have to do the spiritual work necessary to leave the gates of Abaddon.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

thank u Q777 although what was written in there was really long I read most of it although i thout it was a bunch of bs i commend u for trying unlike the other ppl here who just didnt have an answer so they changed the subject

i see now that most of the people here are just noobs that cant barely complete a sentece (which explains why they believe in evolution) i thought this would be a challenge to reply to people but most of their comments or questions didnt deserve a response because they were poorly thought out and researched

so i guess i will just go back to posting my comments on "i found it on the web" and others because of funny stories because im sure i will get tired of going back and looking at peoples post and not even replying to them because they were as stupid as the HYPOTHOSIS of evolution.



I WIN GET OVER IT........AND I HOPE I DO NOT SEE U IN HELL.

They didn't change the subject, those links were about biogenesis. I have a question for you, why is it called the THEORY of evolution?

quote:U dont get saved because of your actions u get saved on your belief in GOD im not catholic those people have ruined the face of christianity

Great atitude there. Do whatever the fuck you want because there are no conciquences if you believe in God. That's what's wrong with "Christianity".

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quote:Originally posted by Martini:



Ps.62:12

"For you render to each one according to his works."

Jer.17:10

"I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Mt.12:37

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Mt.16:27

"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

Mt.19:17

"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Lk.10:26-28

"He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Jn.5:29

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Rom.2:6, 13

"Who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'. For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified."

2 Cor.5:10

"For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

2 Cor.11:15

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

Jas.2:14

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?"

Jas.2:17

"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Jas.2:21-25

"Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

1 Pet.1:17

"The Father, who without pariality judges according to each one's work."

Martinia Those versus are either refering to gifts after u get to heaven for the works u have done,telling u to be good so others will come to realize the saving grace of Jesus or not in the KJV Bible at all(i didnt read all of them so the 3rd one is just a guess).Yes,u do get crowns when u get to heaven they are rewards for good deeds on earth they are mentioned somewhere in the Bible(I am sorry ive forgoten where).But,have you forgoten the most important verse John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that he gave His only beggoten Son(Jesus)that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.And another one say(again im sry ive forgoten where) By,GRACE are ye saved through FAITH not of works lest any man should boast.And,many more.

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Martinia Those versus are either refering to gifts after u get to heaven for the works u have done,telling u to be good so others will come to realize the saving grace of Jesus or not in the KJV Bible at all(i didnt read all of them so the 3rd one is just a guess).

Uhh, no! How do you interpret this?:

Mt.19:17

"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Or this?:

Jn.5:29

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

This?:

Rom.2:6, 13

"Who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'. For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified."

And this? A favorite of mine:

2 Cor.5:10

"For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."



I think this speaks for itself:

Jas.2:17

"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

But,have you forgoten the most important verse John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that he gave His only beggoten Son(Jesus)that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.And another one say(again im sry ive forgoten where) By,GRACE are ye saved through FAITH not of works lest any man should boast.And,many more.

I haven't forgotten anything. You're just helping to show that the Bible contradicts itself.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that he gave His only beggoten Son(Jesus)that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.And another one say(again im sry ive forgoten where) By,GRACE are ye saved through FAITH not of works lest any man should boast.And,many more.

If that's all there is to Christianity what's the point of the rest of the Bible?

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Great atitude there. Do whatever the fuck you want because there are no conciquences if you believe in God. That's what's wrong with "Christianity".



That's what's wrong with the religion. The Bible clearly states that Faith without Works is dead; and that Works without Faith is dead. It also clearly states that judgement is reserved for God, and that we are to clear our own imperfections in our relationship with God before we attempt to help another.

Sammy is human though, and thus prone to egoism and pride - he takes what is convenient in the book and judges others who don't have the same belief, despite his own faith being dead as his works are not present.

One must humble themselves: admit their ignorance and powerlessness in the face of God. Understand that God is the sole source of power in their life. And be willing to do as God asks of them.

One must accept their wrongs: They must seek their flaws as to better build their foundation. They must let themselves know they are nothing but ignorant and have caused their own hell as they stray from God on the basis that they are not.

One must ammend their wrongs: Let those they have judged and harmed by such judgement know that they were wrong to do so, and to make ammends for their acts of pride.

One must share their right: Show the same love God has shown you; show the same mercy God has shown you; show the same grace God has shown you; show the same humility God has shown you. (Do not impede others in their struggle of life)

Faith will do nothing but make your life harder if you do not have the works - God gets the credit...but for what? Your life will remain empty and unfulfilling. You will be too attached to the future to enjoy the present.

Works will do nothing but make your life harder if you do not have the faith - You have done many things to help others...but who gave you the power? Your life will remain empty and unfulfilling. You will be too attached to the past to enjoy the present.

Works are something to remember, Faith something to look forward to. When both exist in harmony, the past makes sense and the future will be for a purpose: the present may then be enjoyed.

Martini what Bible are u using cause if it isnt the KJV then i dont care what u say because all others r full of contradictions,misqoutes omited/added versus and whole "new" books that were not inspired by the holy spirit of GOD and u still have not done away with my point.NOOB

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

If that's all there is to Christianity what's the point of the rest of the Bible?

thats not all there is to the Bible the Old testament is full of the old laws that u must follow to get into heaven because the jews and there old laws were a works religion but when Jesus came and died on the cross a new covenat came and was then a faith religion(the New Testament covers this and other things that i will not go into right now because u will not understand the rest of the Bible if u first do not understand saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH and except Jesus into your heart to live forever with u until that glorious day when Jesus comes and raptures the believers into heaven where there will be 7 years of tribulation then the mellenial reign then after that the battle of armegeddon,then finally after Jesus and his believers win the devil and all unsaved will be thrown into the bottomless pit,and the saints will live with GOD forever in the new heaven and new earth).

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

thats not all there is to the Bible the Old testament is full of the old laws that u must follow to get into heaven because the jews and there old laws were a works religion but when Jesus came and died on the cross a new covenat came and was then a faith religion(the New Testament covers this and other things that i will not go into right now because u will not understand the rest of the Bible if u first do not understand saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH and except Jesus into your heart to live forever with u until that glorious day when Jesus comes and raptures the believers into heaven where there will be 7 years of tribulation then the mellenial reign then after that the battle of armegeddon,then finally after Jesus and his believers win the devil and all unsaved will be thrown into the bottomless pit,and the saints will live with GOD forever in the new heaven and new earth).



Best sentance EVAR!!

LOL you pwn3d those newbs

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

thats not all there is to the Bible the Old testament is full of the old laws that u must follow to get into heaven because the jews and there old laws were a works religion but when Jesus came and died on the cross a new covenat came and was then a faith religion(the New Testament covers this and other things that i will not go into right now because u will not understand the rest of the Bible if u first do not understand saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH and except Jesus into your heart to live forever with u until that glorious day when Jesus comes and raptures the believers into heaven where there will be 7 years of tribulation then the mellenial reign then after that the battle of armegeddon,then finally after Jesus and his believers win the devil and all unsaved will be thrown into the bottomless pit,and the saints will live with GOD forever in the new heaven and new earth).



You do not know who the saved are; you do not know another's heart; you do not know another's faith nor works; you do not know God's grace, for if you did, you would show it; you do not know God's love, for if you did, you would show it; you do not know God's mercy, for if you did, you would show it; you do not know humility before God, for if you did, you would show it; you do not know the Book of Life, you have no place to judge another's value in the eyes of God.

The OT were the Jewish laws, yes; they are the physical laws with physical consequences for a nation that already had the spirit. The NT are the gentile laws; they are the spiritual laws with spiritual consequences for the people who had the ability to do works, but no faith. Both the OT and the NT both state that faith withouts works is a useless goal, and that works without faith is a useless goal - they must work in harmony to be useful.

Thnx clair but as for hex the new testamant is still for the Jews if the Jews dont not believe saved by grace throught faith and still believe in works they are still sadly going to hell

So your twice/thrice translated book is the only one that's right?

King James:

Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 5:29

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 2:6

Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.



What excuse would you like to use now?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Martinia Those versus are either refering to gifts after u get to heaven for the works u have done,telling u to be good so others will come to realize the saving grace of Jesus or not in the KJV Bible at all(i didnt read all of them so the 3rd one is just a guess).Yes,u do get crowns when u get to heaven they are rewards for good deeds on earth they are mentioned somewhere in the Bible(I am sorry ive forgoten where).But,have you forgoten the most important verse John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that he gave His only beggoten Son(Jesus)that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.And another one say(again im sry ive forgoten where) By,GRACE are ye saved through FAITH not of works lest any man should boast.And,many more.



i cant believe i have to tell u that again martini and btw what denomination r u

And yes the KJV is the only thing closest to the textus receptes(the recieved Word of GOD) so ya mine is correct and yours isnt sry

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Thnx clair but as for hex the new testamant is still for the Jews if the Jews dont not believe saved by grace throught faith and still believe in works they are still sadly going to hell

Believing a God exists and that Jesus is his son and can save you does NOT make you saved; you still must do the spiritual work necessary to save yourself by accepting God's mercy, love and grace and showing it towards others. You must humble yourself and remain humble.

You are judging people and claiming they will go to hell when you know nothing of their hearts, faith, and works. JUDGEMENT IS RESERVED FOR GOD; unless you are the Father of Heaven, the Mother of Earth, and the Son of Man, you do NOT know whether someone is saved or not. Trying to do such shows pride, which eliminates humility, which eliminates the ability to accept mercy, love, and grace into your heart and share it with ALL children of God, not just the ones who claim God as their creator.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Believing a God exists and that Jesus is his son and can save you does NOT make you saved; you still must do the spiritual work necessary to save yourself by accepting God's mercy, love and grace and showing it towards others. You must humble yourself and remain humble.

You are judging people and claiming they will go to hell when you know nothing of their hearts, faith, and works. JUDGEMENT IS RESERVED FOR GOD; unless you are the Father of Heaven, the Mother of Earth, and the Son of Man, you do NOT know whether someone is saved or not. Trying to do such shows pride, which eliminates humility, which eliminates the ability to accept mercy, love, and grace into your heart and share it with ALL children of God, not just the ones who claim God as their creator.

If u r impying u can lose your salvation...u cant and as for the other thing i didnt say thats all u had to do if u interprated it like that im sry.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

i cant believe i have to tell u that again martini and btw what denomination r u



Read this again:

Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

That's not about gifts or crowns!



Is this about gifts or crowns?:

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

What denomination am I? Are you fucking serious?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

If u r impying u can lose your salvation...u cant and as for the other thing i didnt say thats all u had to do if u interprated it like that im sry.

How can you be "saved" before judgement day?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

If u r impying u can lose your salvation...u cant and as for the other thing i didnt say thats all u had to do if u interprated it like that im sry.

To quote you further:

I WIN GET OVER IT........AND I HOPE I DO NOT SEE U IN HELL.

How are you not judging another? And you misunderstand salvation and the inability to lose it. The antichrist is the unforgiveable sin: Pride - with it you will accept none of your wrongs and seek to correct none of your wrongs, thus any prior salvation will be moot as you continue to think of yourself as better than another child of God. Does not the Bible tell you that we are all gods BELOW God?

Edit: How can you be "saved" before judgement day?

A very good point; salvation is nil until the time of judgement - pride creates hell for anyone, even those who believe they are safe.

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quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Originally posted by SAMMY249:

i cant believe i have to tell u that again martini and btw what denomination r u



Read this again:

Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

That's not about gifts or crowns!



Is this about gifts or crowns?:

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

What denomination am I? Are you fucking serious?



i think in the second verse u put up it is refering to how u need to be good to keep yourself healthy and so ppl will come to the saviour because of your actions and u still have not done away with my versus

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

How can you be "saved" before judgement day?

try to find a independant KJV Bible believing Baptist church go there TRULY understand about the Bible and salvation then talk to the pastor about how u can be saved and he will help u i could tell u right now but i would rather u truly find out for yourself by trying

BTW all that wont be the name of the church.This isnt a cult

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

i think in the second verse u put up it is refering to how u need to be good to keep yourself healthy and so ppl will come to the saviour because of your actions and u still have not done away with my versus

What do you mean by do away with them? I showed you that these verses contradict yours. You want to make shit up, like it's about staying healthy? That's rediculous!

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

That clearly makes the point that faith alone is worthless without good deeds.



Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

That verse clearly shows that not following the commandments will keep one from everlasting life. You have not done away with my verses!

i think in the second verse u put up it is refering to how u need to be good to keep yourself healthy and so ppl will come to the saviour because of your actions and u still have not done away with my versus

Quit trying to interpret the word to suit your pride.

Faith, alone, is dead. It needs works to survive: The OT, the past - is the works; the rememberance. The NT, the future - is the faith; the struggle. The Bible says that the Law is present in all things - even itself, even in other religous texts, even in sin, even in pride. Christ talked about the foundation - it is the future of your works that are built upon it; it keeps them alive. However, he also talked of the house that rests on the foundation - it is the crumbled houses and further solidified foundations that are a rememberance of why you are where you are: they allow you to continue to find a stronger foundation and build yet greater houses.

How, may I ask, does judging someone help solidify your faith? And how does judging someone help with your works?

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

What do you mean by do away with them? I showed you that these verses contradict yours. You want to make shit up, like it's about staying healthy? That's rediculous!

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

That clearly makes the point that faith alone is worthless without good deeds.



Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

That verse clearly shows that not following the commandments will keep one from everlasting life. You have not done away with my verses!

Read all about what i said about "being healthy" thats just a plus if u follow his commandments as for the second one i dont have a Bible right now so i cant look it up and see the context with which it was used so get back to u later on that.....and u still hadnt done away with mine btw im not at which is why i dont have a Bible with me

Im not judging any one i just see a lost sheep that need to come back to the flock and as for the house referance the "strong" foundation they speak of is refering to Jesus Build your life around HIm and His commandments and u will be strong abling to withstand all the world throughs at u

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Read all about what i said about "being healthy" thats just a plus if u follow his commandments as for the second one i dont have a Bible right now so i cant look it up and see the context with which it was used so get back to u later on that.....and u still hadnt done away with mine btw im not at which is why i dont have a Bible with me

I'm not trying to do away with anything. I believe that the Bible says exactly what you say it does. It also says exactly what I have shown you. The Bible is full of contradictions! Doing away with what I've shown you by making some idiotic claim that all the verses I listed have something to do with being healthy is beyond idiotic! It clearly says that faith without works are dead and that you must follow the comandments to be given everlaasting life. Twist the words of your own Book all you like. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Im not judging any one i just see a lost sheep that need to come back to the flock and as for the house referance the "strong" foundation they speak of is refering to Jesus Build your life around HIm and His commandments and u will be strong abling to withstand all the world throughs at u

Im not judging any one i just see a lost sheep

You're saying he is lost when you do not know.

house referance the "strong" foundation they speak of is refering to Jesus Build your life around HIm and His commandments and u will be strong abling to withstand all the world throughs at u

No, it's build your works around your faith: how much faith do you have if you think God cannot find his own lost sheep?

WTF didi just say about being healthy(its a pluse so u can live long and tell all about the wonders of Jesus.and there are no contradictions in the KJV Bible i told u i need the context in which it was used and i will get back to u on that asap so stop trying to form idiotic comments that i can easily do away wih

If he believes it is a works salvation i know enough to know he is lost and no man seeketh after GOD because GOD seeked him first

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

try to find a independant KJV Bible believing Baptist church go there TRULY understand about the Bible and salvation then talk to the pastor about how u can be saved and he will help u i could tell u right now but i would rather u truly find out for yourself by trying

I can't tell if you are trolling or not. But feeding trolls is fun so I will keep arguing.

How can you physicaly(bad word but I can't think of a better one) be saved before Judgement Day? If you were judged imediatly after death in the earth timeline there would be no point in having a judgement day unless God got bored and wanted to put on a show for the last humans before packing it in for the human race. The Bible talks about resurecting people to be judged, so when you die that would mean that you have just been dead until Judgement Day unless God resurected you early for some Purgatory time. You would not notice being dead for so long as far as you are concerend you would die and bam! Judgement Day.

And even if you were all lined up to get into the Kingdom of Heaven you could blow it at any point in your earthly life by blaspheming(sp) the Holy Spirit.

GOD created us so He could have someone to SCINCERLY love Him which is why there is a choice.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

GOD created us so He could have someone to SCINCERLY love Him which is why there is a choice.

Yeah! Us Angels, we didn't have a choice, we have to love him! We were created as slaves! But god made man with a choice, and what does man do, he fucks up! Well you know what? Fuck it, I'm going back into heaven, Kevin Smith, whether it destroys the universe or not!

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Best sentance EVAR!!

LOL you pwn3d those newbs

fuk yah man who needs grammer wen u hav jesus????

Hexadecimal, you're just as guilty as SAMMY249 for only believing the parts of the Bible that suit your needs:



Acts 16:30-31

"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Rom.1:16-17

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth .... As it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Rom.3:20

"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."

Rom.3:28

"A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom.4:2

"For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

Rom.4:13

"For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

Rom.5:1

"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Gal.2:16

"A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."

Gal.3:11-12

"The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Eph.2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

I do not believe parts of the Bible that suits my "needs" I believe the whole Bible in its enirity.But,does this mean u will shut up about it being a works faith

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

I do not believe parts of the Bible that suits my "needs" I believe the whole Bible in its enirity.But,does this mean u will shut up about it being a works faith

No, you believe in the parts that suit your needs, which is why you are closed minded about the contradictions I pointed out to you. Instead of admitting that there are apparent contradictions, you have to "get back to me" after someone else wiggles out of this somehow.

Will I shut up about it being a works faith? Huh? Speaka de English?

I am not closed minded about contradictions cause there arent any and if u cant understand what i said than u are either acting stupid or u r

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.

Okay, first of all, if you wanted to know more about evolution, don't just say "o i kno its bs but i want to kno about it anywyas". Show some interest for God's sake. Why would you expect anybody to spend their time explaining something to somebody that clearly has no interest in the topic?

Second of all, you're the stupidest person on totse.

quote:Originally posted by TheHammer:

Okay, first of all, if you wanted to know more about evolution, don't just say "o i kno its bs but i want to kno about it anywyas". Show some interest for God's sake. Why would you expect anybody to spend their time explaining something to somebody that clearly has no interest in the topic?

Second of all, you're the stupidest person on totse.

first of all i put more up there there just wasnt room

secondly im not intrested i just wanted to see if someone actually believed the stupid reason so much that they could actually stand to type it out and submit it

and as for me being the stupidist if u havent noticed ive been shooting down everything theyve thrown at me...and there are some REALLY stupid ppl on Totse so im definately not the stupidest.

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

secondly im not intrested i just wanted to see if someone actually believed the stupid reason so much that they could actually stand to type it out and submit it



That's actually considered trolling.

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and there are some REALLY stupid ppl on Totse so im definately not the stupidest.

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Agreed. But, if you're trying to come off as somebody who should be taken seriously, don't use the spelling and grammar of a 12-year old.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

secondly im not intrested i just wanted to see if someone actually believed the stupid reason so much that they could actually stand to type it out and submit it

So, you admit to being a troll. Lovely.

quote:Originally posted by TheHammer:

That's actually considered trolling.

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and there are some REALLY stupid ppl on Totse so im definately not the stupidest.

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Agreed. But, if you're trying to come off as somebody who should be taken seriously, don't use the spelling and grammar of a 12-year old.

well then sorry for trolling and as for the spelling I was in a hurry and if the mod wants he can shut this down right now just dont ban me im not a troll and i didnt mean to be



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Acts 16:30-31

"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Christ, the Son of Man, is the Way; the Father is the Rock; and the Mother is Mercy. By following the Way, whether through taoism, buddhism, islam, the Bible, or TNK, or otherwise; one recieves Mercy, and may lean upon the Father instead of stray in fear of judgement. Once you can lean upon the rock, you are safe; and so are your works.

Rom.1:16-17

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth .... As it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Yes, but those who have faith are commanded to do works, are they not? And they are also told that faith, by itself, is dead, are they not? Their faith is what keeps them alive, it is their future; their works are their dedication to God.

Rom.3:20

"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."

Once again, works without faith are also dead. You can conquer the fucking world, but if it's not for God...what next? You're just going to want more and remain unfulfilled. No fleshly works are justified without faith.

Rom.3:28

"A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

What of sinners who have spent their lives going against the law and causing pure hell? Are they too not forgiven when they come upon faith? Their works from that point on are to be of the law; but their prior works are that of their pride.

Rom.4:2

"For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

This is pointing out that no man is righteous without God. Nice try on the severe ooc, though.

Rom.4:13

"For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

So, not just Israel can inherit the Earth? Cool beans. Once again though, you really shouldn't be taking that OOC and cutting out the main part of what it's referring to.

Rom.5:1

"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Then it talks about what must be done after faith is found: WORKS!

Gal.2:16

"A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."

Also, once again a terrible OOC.

Gal 2:17-18

"But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid! For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."

Works without faith are dead; and faith without works is dead.

Gal.3:11-12

"The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Quit taking shit out of context.

Gal. 3:8-12

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."

Once again: Faith without works is dead; works without faith is dead.

Eph.2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Once again; faith without works is dead; works without faith is dead. Without faith; works are boasted. Without works; faith is but a beginning and still yet dead.

Titus 3:5

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

This goes to the prior statement of the world being conquered, but if not of God, then of self, and thus worthless in the eyes of God and incapable of bringing you closer to Mercy.

Come on; you're trying to point out completely imagined contradictions, and worst of it, you're taking passages OOC and even EDITING some of them.

Edit: Needed to fix some minor UBB errors.

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quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

If he believes it is a works salvation i know enough to know he is lost and no man seeketh after GOD because GOD seeked him first

It is neither a works nor a faith salvation - cleaned by faith, represented in works: still, it is nothing but grace that saves.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

No, you believe in the parts that suit your needs, which is why you are closed minded about the contradictions I pointed out to you. Instead of admitting that there are apparent contradictions, you have to "get back to me" after someone else wiggles out of this somehow.

Will I shut up about it being a works faith? Huh? Speaka de English?

Hey, they appear as contradictions when taken out of context, but when put into context, they are wholly in agreement.

Another thing: Pride is of the flesh; it dies when our flesh dies - with death being apart from judgement, we ALL will be humbled before we come to be judged; some without works, some with; but no man will not come before God and be judged as lacking his grace. "Forgive them Father, for they know NOT what they do." Some believe that to be in reference just to the crucifiers - but the law is present in all things, thus the words of Christ are present in all things: mercy will be shown to all for none know what they do. The proud do not even know they are proud - the humble believe they are still proud - the faithful think they lack real faith - and the workers believe their work to be imperfect in the eyes of God: none know what they do.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:



Come on; you're trying to point out completely imagined contradictions, and worst of it, you're taking passages OOC and even EDITING some of them.

I think editing is a given; I didn't copy and paste the entire NT, and how did I take it out of context?

Tell me what context anyone is to take these verses. If you don't want to explain all of them, please at least explain how the last two don't clearly show that we are saved without works:

Rom.3:28

"A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom.5:1

"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Gal.3:11-12

"The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Eph.2:8-9

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

Dear Lord, save us from righteous christians.

Stubborn! I already have. Neither faith nor works will save anyone; but only the grace of God. The faithful still sin! When you take those passages OOC, you miss that the Bible clearly states that it is GRACE that is saving, and faith that allows grace to be imparted. Without utilizing the grace shown to do works in the name of God, Pity (by the judgement humans show the faithful) will return with seven spirits greater than it: Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Wrath, Greed, and Sloth.

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and finding none. Then he says, I will return to the house from where I came, and when he arrives, he finds it empty and swept clean. The he goes, and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so it will be unto this wicked generation."

Hmmm, and by the way sammy, you first post showed a great deal of baseless arrogence, and unfortunte levels of stupidity.

As others have said before, you have little idea of what evolution is, and have already declared it bullshit. Even taking the bible as literal truth, the damned thing doesn't mention evolution, which would seem to lead to the conclusion that you picked it up from some other source...and then rejected it out of hand.

And i'm still not convinced that your a real person.

quote:Originally posted by Niceguy:

Dear Lord, save us from righteous christians.

Worry not of the righteous, but be adverse to those who proclaim righteousness yet still judge their brethren as lacking in faith. Still though, fear none that can take only your body.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

It is neither a works nor a faith salvation - cleaned by faith, represented in works: still, it is nothing but grace that saves.

I understood faith to be the seed and works the fruit, the passage from James is like a reality check. You say you have faith, how do you know? Look at your life does it show works that indicate an effective faith? If not your faith is dead, that is, it never was an effective faith/belief to begin with.

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quote:Originally posted by redzed:

I understood faith to be the seed and works the fruit, the passage from James is like a reality check. You say you have faith, how do you know? Look at your life does it show works that indicate an effective faith? If not your faith is dead, that is, it never was an effective faith/belief to begin with.

Peace http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Faith is the seed of the good tree; yes. And works are the fruit of the good tree; yes. But only by grace can the seed grow into a tree capable of producing fruit. And only by grace can a seed be planted, either into good fruition or into corruption. And only by grace can the corrupt tree be burned in the eternal flame. And only by grace can the ignorant who grow corrupt fruit be shown mercy and love; for Christ had the power to forgive upon this earth, and he said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

Martini, Hex, you guys are obviously learned to a great degree, but forget it with sammy. It's like telling a blind man to see.

Sammy, you don't follow the teachings of jesus at all. If anything, what you're saying is the antithesis of his teachings.

Jesus didn't go around acting like a smug bastard and criticizing the beliefs of others, and I seriously doubt he said "I am the way and the light". And then tacked on "and if you don't belive me you're going to hell."

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While it's not the absolute truth as contained in the bible , I still think I should fear anyone who can attach electrodes to my testicals or store a red hot poker up my arse.

Even if I do rest in heaven afterwards.

What happens to the little pigmies in africa that have never heard of the christian god?

quote:Originally posted by Vargv:

What happens to the little pigmies in africa that have never heard of the christian god?

They go burn in the eternal fires of Hell (seriously).

quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

They go burn in the eternal fires of Hell (seriously).

Cite?

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quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

They go burn in the eternal fires of Hell (seriously).

Cite?



http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html

That cite does not say that those who have never heard of the Christian God go to hell. What it says is that all people are accountable to God because he "clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11)."

It also says, In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/neverheard.html

"That cite does not say that those who have never heard of the Christian God go to hell."

Not in those words, no.

But it clearly implies it, which in this instance is good enough.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

But it clearly implies it, which in this instance is good enough.

No, it does not imply it. It implies the opposite:



In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature.

And in nature.

In other words, we don't need missionaries to spread the Word, because we should know to turn to Him because of what we've already seen. HE MAKES HIMSELF KNOWN.

So when you say you haven't heard of Him, you're almost lying, because you're ignoring all of Nature and the signs He shows through that.

The article does not imply that one would magically know about Jesus without the word being spread. I'm definitely no Bible scholar, but I think the nature part is inferring that we know naturally how to distinguish a good act from an evil one.

Do you really think that the Bible is claiming that we would know specifically of Jesus through nature?

No

Not Jesus, geez

Jesus is a nobody

But God

So what if you're off in Africa, dying of AIDS somewhere. Let's see... you're a malnourished kid, your mom already died of AIDS, but not before she was raped multiple times.

The thought of god MUST occur to you after that. I mean, he sure has shown himself to that kid. Next time I get AIDS, get raped and beaten, I'll just remember that those are signs of god. To some people, those are the only things they know. God reveals himself in nature... what bullshit.

That's religion for ya.

Yeah, for this reason I think religion ios stupid. All these things are just things you believe from a book you read. You also can't say that someone who believes in a different religion is going to "hell"... perhaps for the same reason you're going to their version of "hell". Also, tell me this: Who is God? How did he come about? How did he have magical powers to make everything? Where was he when he made everything?

I like to think things through before I beleive in something.

Also, why are you calling people noobs.... what are they supposed to be noobs of? And who are you to even call anyone a noob when you don't know how to capitalize letters and use punctuations.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Evolution is a bunch of bull but someone tell me what they say happened to make something out of nothing.



Sorry for the double post, but tell me, What made God out of nothing and then how did he make everything out of nothing?

Tell em that and you win this arguement, but if you can't tell me that then that just thwarts your arguement.

quote:Originally posted by BlackQuilt:

Also, tell me this: Who is God?

Um, God is God. What do you mean who?

quote:How did he come about?

Um, He's always been.

quote:How did he have magical powers to make everything?

He just did.

quote: Where was he when he made everything?

Nowhere. Everywhere.



Come up with better thought out questions.

quote:

Also, why are you calling people noobs.... what are they supposed to be noobs of? And who are you to even call anyone a noob when you don't know how to capitalize letters and use punctuations.



Who's calling who noobs?

quote:Originally posted by BlackQuilt:



Sorry for the double post, but tell me, What made God out of nothing and then how did he make everything out of nothing?

Tell em that and you win this arguement, but if you can't tell me that then that just thwarts your arguement.

No it doesn't (but wait, you weren't talking to me, right?).

You're asking about the beginnings of a supposedly eternal being.

Asking about the origins of the powers of a supposedly omnipotent deity.

Think. Doesn't make sense.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

No it doesn't (but wait, you weren't talking to me, right?).

You're asking about the beginnings of a supposedly eternal being.

Asking about the origins of the powers of a supposedly omnipotent deity.

Think. Doesn't make sense.



Why doesn't it?

Are you willing to accept that God is omnipotent and omni this and that just because a book says so? If I was to believe in a religion, I would want to know everything about it. I would not just assume things for the sake of faith.

quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:

Why doesn't it?

Are you willing to accept that God is omnipotent and omni this and that just because a book says so? If I was to believe in a religion, I would want to know everything about it. I would not just assume things for the sake of faith.

If you'd believe in a religion, then you would believe and assume, because if you deviated from the teachings, it wouldn't be that religion you believed in anymore, you'd be one of the pick and choosers (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Plus, I'm not willing to accept anything. I'm only telling you how it would be if that deity was the one and only and if things were as they are taught.

Your question are asking about things that can't exist if "God" is who we're talking about. "God," the being, doesn't have a beginning, because it's taught and believed that He is eternal.

Christ, all I can really say is Sammy, you're so stupid you make my head hurt.

Oh, and read "Evolution" by Carl Zimmer. Very good book.

Yeah sammy, in case you're still following this thread, you are a moron. Seriously.

Do you get laughed at every day for being so retarded?

If you're willing to accept the idea of an eternal god, why not an eternal universe?



Entheogenic

It's funny that you call evolution bullshit, but don't even know anything about it.

Go kill yourself.

Cheers,

Lost

Wow i thought this thread was dead.I wish that u ppl would say how i was stupid so i can make u look like the idiot.and since this thread has just enough life left explain to me this.There is a certain creature said by evolutionis to be 200 so million years old.But, a dinosoar said to be 120 so millon year were found together.and ther was a HUMAN footprint UNDER a dinosaor footprint proving that man and dinosoar lived together.Plz try to explain that

No one wants to explain that?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Wow i thought this thread was dead.I wish that u ppl would say how i was stupid so i can make u look like the idiot.and since this thread has just enough life left explain to me this.There is a certain creature said by evolutionis to be 200 so million years old.But, a dinosoar said to be 120 so millon year were found together.and ther was a HUMAN footprint UNDER a dinosaor footprint proving that man and dinosoar lived together.Plz try to explain that

I still see no one has the guts to answer this.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

I still see no one has the guts to answer this.

Are you going to accept the truth once someone answers this mystery for you?

With all the evidence that supports dinosaurs not living any where near the same era as humans, you are willing to accept that that's not true based on what evidence? That you heard through about a human print near a dinosaur print? That's all the evidence it takes for you when it comes to holding the world view that suits you, even though the vast amount of scientific evidence proves otherwise?



http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html

Response:

1. The footprints reputed to be of human origin are not. For example:

* Some of the footprints are dinosaur footprints. Processes such as erosion, infilling, and mud collapse obscure the dinosaurian features of some footprints, making them look like giant human footprints, but careful cleaning reveals the three-toed tracks of dinosaurs (Hastings 1987; Kuban 1989).

* Some of the reputed prints are erosional features or other irregularities. They show no clear human features without selective highlighting.

* Some of the prints show evidence of deliberate alteration (Godfrey 1985).

2. The Paluxy tracks are illustrative of creationists' wishful thinking and of their unwillingness to face evidence. Although some creationists have repudiated the Paluxy claim, many others still cling to it (Schadewald 1986).

Look up Dr.Carl Baugh.

That's your response? You want me to look someone up because he believes in creationist nonsense and uses the title "Dr."? What does he have a doctorate in? Is that your method of debate?

Would you like me to give you a long list of much more impressive educated men who can prove that the evidence for dinosaurs living at the same time as humans is a joke?

if god made everything, who made god and where did he come from?

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

That's your response? You want me to look someone up because he believes in creationist nonsense and uses the title "Dr."? What does he have a doctorate in? Is that your method of debate?

Would you like me to give you a long list of much more impressive educated men who can prove that the evidence for dinosaurs living at the same time as humans is a joke?

Brad that is another thread but i guess ill answer it again he has always been.

But as for Martini the reoson i directed u to him he is a very bright man who i have actually met and has a museum.i also expected u to look him up before u came back with a response but i guess ppl are afraid of the truth.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

But as for Martini the reoson i directed u to him he is a very bright man who i have actually met and has a museum.i also expected u to look him up before u came back with a response but i guess ppl are afraid of the truth.

I didn't need to look him up. I have read about him and his ridiculous claims before. There are many, many more bright men who have real degrees who can explain that the overwhelming body of evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that there is no way in hell that dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans. I hope that you're open minded enough to learn more and possibly change your mind.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Originally posted by SAMMY249:

But as for Martini the reoson i directed u to him he is a very bright man who i have actually met and has a museum.i also expected u to look him up before u came back with a response but i guess ppl are afraid of the truth.

I didn't need to look him up. I have read about him and his ridiculous claims before. There are many, many more bright men who have real degrees who can explain that the overwhelming body of evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that there is no way in hell that dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans. I hope that you're open minded enough to learn more and possibly change your mind.



how bout u read what he wrote instead of some low life whos just out to ruin someone.and could u post that "proof" u speak of?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

how bout u read what he wrote instead of some low life whos just out to ruin someone.and could u post that "proof" u speak of?

I did read what he wrote!

Do you know how ignorant you sound by asking "could u post that "proof" u speak of?".?

Have you ever been to a real museum?

How can I prove anything to someone who rejects widely accepted proofs of modern science? I'm sure you'll reject radiometric dating as being accurate despite all of the evidence to the contrary. You'll probably also reject what fossils and footprints around the world show, in spite of the claims of one particular case that Dr. Carl Baugh uses to bullshit the ignorant.

You're holding your beliefs that go against the evidence gathered by all modern paleontologists, geologists, etc. based on what?

Im still gunna have to ask u to post the evidence in writing NOT IN LINKS...I do have things to do.

Uhh, yeah, you seem very busy.

If I show you proof through use of radiometric dating, will that convince you, or would I be wasting my time?

Are you going to provide proof for me that shows that dinosaurs lived at the same time as men?

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Uhh, yeah, you seem very busy.

If I show you proof through use of radiometric dating, will that convince you, or would I be wasting my time?

Are you going to provide proof for me that shows that dinosaurs lived at the same time as men?

For your first paragrapgh i would like to know how radiometric dating works.

And to your second paragraph go look for the "creation evidence museum" on the internet and that will give u proof.

BTW im prety sure thats the name of the museum.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

thank u Q777 although what was written in there was really long I read most of it although i thout it was a bunch of bs i commend u for trying unlike the other ppl here who just didnt have an answer so they changed the subject

i see now that most of the people here are just noobs that cant barely complete a sentece (which explains why they believe in evolution) i thought this would be a challenge to reply to people but most of their comments or questions didnt deserve a response because they were poorly thought out and researched

so i guess i will just go back to posting my comments on "i found it on the web" and others because of funny stories because im sure i will get tired of going back and looking at peoples post and not even replying to them because they were as stupid as the HYPOTHOSIS of evolution.



I WIN GET OVER IT........AND I HOPE I DO NOT SEE U IN HELL.

How can you come on here complaining about not getting a challenge from other peoples response when you can't form a sentence, use any form of punctuation, or SPELL.

And maybe you should try studying others beliefs before you knock them. Maybe learn a thing or two. Or are you to ignorant to try to see things from someone else POV?

Didn't read the rest of this BS.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

For your first paragrapgh i would like to know how radiometric dating works.

And to your second paragraph go look for the "creation evidence museum" on the internet and that will give u proof.

BTW im prety sure thats the name of the museum.

This is quite amusing!

You don't want me to use links, but you want me to write on a message board a dissertation on how various methods of radiometric dating works.

And although you don't want links, the evidence you're providing for me is, "go look it up". Are you out of your mind?

Do as i say not as i do.

Stop feeding the troll... Intentional or not, thats what he\she is.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Do as i say not as i do.

Now you're just being an idiot.

Google "radiometric dating". You'll get tons of hits that show how it works and why scientists use them as reliable dating methods.

Show your evidence that dinosaurs and men lived at the same time (without links) or shut up already.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Now you're just being an idiot.

Google "radiometric dating". You'll get tons of hits that show how it works and why scientists use them as reliable dating methods.

Show your evidence that dinosaurs and men lived at the same time (without links) or shut up already.

O radiometric dating is so correct just like carbon dating hu??

And ill show my evidence without links...look up "creation evidence museum"

You didn't show your evidence.

You showed your source.

STOP FEEDING HIM, HES A FATASS ALREADY.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

O radiometric dating is so correct just like carbon dating hu??

And ill show my evidence without links...look up "creation evidence museum"

Carbon dating is radiometric dating, moron! And yes, it's well proven to be remarkably accurate.

Good luck to you, Sammy.

Ah, what the hell, one more question for you Sammy.

Petrification generally takes millions of years. Why is it that all dinosaur bones that have been found are fully petrified, but no human bones that have been found are?

How old do you believe the Earth is?

Can u describe to me in short how they say carbon dating works?

Here is a short article explaining: http://science.howstuffworks.com/carbon-14.htm

Will you answer my questions now?

Petrification generally takes millions of years. Why is it that all dinosaur bones that have been found are fully petrified, but no human bones that have been found are?

How old do you believe the Earth is?

Martini can U tell me in short how u interprate that and give me a minute and i will answer your question.

How I interpret that? What are you having problems understanding?

Tell me Sammy, are you open to coming to the understanding that humans and dinosaurs didn't live at the same time, or am I simply wasting my time?

You need more time to tell me how old you think the Earth is?

Ok Ok i finally found something that can own u now.I dont know where u got there are know human fossils from.I dont know how to post links cause i am illeterate in that area and i said not to but here is a site that says human petrified bones were found they mention something about them being big which also supports the Bible.type this in the browser."pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/13anc03.htm"

BTW if i typed it in twice i think u can do it once

[This message has been edited by SAMMY249 (edited 11-03-2006).]

I see martini is not posting i think it is either he is researching or sleeping whatever the reoson ppl better hurry up and post soon cause i have to go soon.(by soon i mean close to an hour)

Your link does not show any evidence of human petrified bones. It claims that petrified "giant" bones have been found in South Africa. You do realize that claims of finding bones from giants are absolutely ridiculous, don't you?

It's clear that you don't want to use your intellect to come to conclusions, but merely are happy going along with any wild creationist claims that provide no authentic evidence whatsoever, and are the opposite of what science proves.

Sammy, it seems that you've been bamboozled by this Dr. Carl Baugh fellow. His advanced science degrees have been found to be faked, along with the artifacts in his museum. Check out the evidence below. Having faith in God is one thing, having faith in charlatans that will lie to promote their religion is another. Don't be a fool.

You didn't answer my question regarding whether or not I'm wasting my time, so I'm assuming that I am. Unless you show me that you're willing to look at these wild creationist claims with a critical eye, I'm done with this thread.

http://www.answersincreation.org/cem.htm

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

cause i am illeterate in that area

LEARN TO SPELL. Christ, you're the worst poster ever.

Ok just go to google and type in petrified human bones look over it all and come back and tell me what u think and try to discredit it.

And i believe the Earth is around 11,000 years old.

quote:Originally posted by TheMessiahComplex:

LEARN TO SPELL. Christ, you're the worst poster ever.

It was supposed to be a joke.

I hope u go to google type in petrified human bones look at the 5th from the top article on page 2.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

It was supposed to be a joke.

Ive only read two threads you've posted heavily in, this and one in politics, and every one of your posts has had so many typos I find that hard to believe.

quote:Originally posted by TheMessiahComplex:

Ive only read two threads you've posted heavily in, this and one in politics, and every one of your posts has had so many typos I find that hard to believe.

I am in a hurry when I type and,I do not go back and proof read on my posts except for this one.

But,thats beside the point get back on topic.

[This message has been edited by SAMMY249 (edited 11-03-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

I am in a hurry when I type and,I do not go back and proof read on my posts except for this one.

But,thats beside the point get back on topic.



Evolution is scientific fact, you fucking idiot.

I have to go now but I will respond to your posts tomorrow.I hope u researched what I gave u so you can respond with an educated post.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

I have to go now but I will respond to your posts tomorrow.I hope u researched what I gave u so you can respond with an educated post.

Fuck you. Evolution=fact.

Guys, you're wasting your time.

After reading this thread, I have some serious advice to those arguing with little sammy here. Im not trying to be condencending to sammy in any way. Im being one hundred percent serious. Please take my advice everyone and mayb we can work things out easier. Alright, You guys need to ease on the dialogue and tone down your big words, I.E. Dumb down your points a little (sorry for the expression). I seriously think it will help sammy understand. I dont think he understands alot or he just skims as soon as you start using bigger words strung together. Take yourselves to his level. I think the communication will help the discussion. Im not kidding here or trying to be funny, I think it would really help

What a bold thing to say, neosade.

quote:Originally posted by Zay:

What a bold thing to say, neosade.

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