Look at it like this. We have the internet. We have the string theory. We have microwaves. We have fucking cars, we have lightbulbs, we have the power of God in our hands with science; we can even make our own humans now, and enhance pre-existing ones with gene theraphy. We have never known so much, or been able to do so many things.

Jesus and his followers thought that maggots appeared in meat because it got too old.

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE?

jesus was an ordinary guy

the christian church made up that other stuff

I'll take my chances with the carpenter.

quote:Originally posted by MidnightRambler:

I'll take my chances with the carpenter.

I prefer logic.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I prefer logic.

Me too.

I actually know Christians who believe mental illness is demon possession. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) We're never going to get anywhere with people like that running the world.

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quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:

Me too.

I actually know Christians who believe mental illness is demon possession. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) We're never going to get anywhere with people like that running the world.

Don't listen to the dayvil worshipper! They's daymons in them thar sick folks! It's DAYMONS! Don't let those daymons into yer soul! Praise the power of Jeebus and git GAWD on yer side! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Innoculation Scars:

Look at it like this. We have the internet. We have the string theory. We have microwaves. We have fucking cars, we have lightbulbs, we have the power of God in our hands with science; we can even make our own humans now, and enhance pre-existing ones with gene theraphy. We have never known so much, or been able to do so many things.

Jesus and his followers thought that maggots appeared in meat because it got too old.

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE?

Technically they weren't completely wrong that maggot appear in meat because it gets too old. Granted that's a pretty rudamentary way of looking at it, but hey. And what're you trying to prove? What's the argument here? Who are we supposed to believe Jesus or modern technology? Hmm, that's a conundrum. Should I side with a dead so-called prophet demi god or a collective of inanimate objects and theories that can't even form an opinion of themselves?

You're comparing apples to elephants here. Modern technology doesn't prove that Jesus was wrong, and what was Jesus wrong about? Jesus never said that modern technology was wrong. Really, Jesus (fictional or not) was pretty right on, and I really just don't see how the two coincide.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I prefer logic.



quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:

Me too.

I actually know Christians who believe mental illness is demon possession. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) We're never going to get anywhere with people like that running the world.



It would be correct to understand that it's both logic and intuition.

That things stem from both a local and non-local source.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I prefer logic.

Logic is just as flawed as anything else. To qoute Plato "All I know is I know nothing." To be logical you have to accept that within logic there is always room for error. Science changes, the world changes, theories are proven, species are discovered, laws of nature are proven wrong, myths are uncovered, genius becomes idiocy. To say you prefer logic is naive considering logic is just what we know as logical right now. It could be proven wrong or become wrong at any moment, thereby making it illogical.

Cheers,

Lost

Jesus was probably the most enlightened person ever to exist.

quote:Originally posted by w33d:

Jesus was probably the most enlightened person ever to exist.

No buddha was and he sat under a tree and meditated until he became enlightened. plus that happened about 500 years before jesus was ever born.

quote:Originally posted by The_Big_Beef:

No buddha was and he sat under a tree and meditated until he became enlightened. plus that happened about 500 years before jesus was ever born.

I was about to say the same thing.

My point, is that the knowledge we posses today should over-rule the belief in Heaven, and the belief that Jesus was the Son of God. To illustrate it in the most laconic of orientations, modern man is no longer a fucking idiot and we should not confine ourselves to obviously fictitious conceptions, such as Jesus being a "demigod" LOL.

quote:Originally posted by w33d:

Jesus was probably the most enlightened person ever to exist.

I have read nothing to encourage this sort of thought. The messages imparted by Jesus were very simple, almost inherently understood "philosophies". I am far more impressed with the work by more modern poets and philosophers, then I am with the mundane principality of Jesus's teaching. I do not consider him enlightened, I consider him for what he appears to me to be. A simple man with a very simple message who lived in a time wherein not much was understood about the world, or anything at all for that matter.

Can't we find a balance?

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Logic is just as flawed as anything else.

Including the logic you used to to come to the conclusion that that statement is true?

"Logic" on it's own isn't flawed. Source prefers using logic to come to conclusions, rather than trusting a book full of inconsistencies and errors. Put me down as one who also would rather use logic.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:



To say you prefer logic is naive considering logic is just what we know as logical right now. It could be proven wrong or become wrong at any moment, thereby making it illogical.

Again, you try to use logic to prove that using logic is illogical?

If not logic, what wouldn't be naive for Source to prefer?

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Logic is just as flawed as anything else. To qoute Plato "All I know is I know nothing." To be logical you have to accept that within logic there is always room for error. Science changes, the world changes, theories are proven, species are discovered, laws of nature are proven wrong, myths are uncovered, genius becomes idiocy. To say you prefer logic is naive considering logic is just what we know as logical right now. It could be proven wrong or become wrong at any moment, thereby making it illogical.

Cheers,

Lost

Logic isn't flawed. Logic is how we make INFERENCE and inference is always made under uncertainty. What's flawed is that we dont have perfect information available to us.

You can either base your beliefs on the information we do have, or you can just ignore the information we do have. One of these options if "logical" the other one is "illogical." It should be clear which option is more flawed.

So this guy is saying that people two thousand years ago were so dumb and we are so intelligent now that we should put religion bythe wayside. The flaw of your arguement is that 2000 years from now, they will laugh at our so called advancement...

And no I am not a Christian...

quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:

So this guy is saying that people two thousand years ago were so dumb and we are so intelligent now that we should put religion bythe wayside.

Who said that?

quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:



The flaw of your arguement is that 2000 years from now, they will laugh at our so called advancement...

Speaking of flawed arguments.

You wont have to worry about 2000 years from now, because I see humanity dying out in 100-150 years.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

[QUOTE]Who said that?

Hell, I'll say that.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

To qoute Plato "All I know is I know nothing."

Cheers,

Lost

Minor correction, that was Plato quoting Socrates http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)