Ok what ever religion you are, I want you to think about the believers in all the other religions for a second and all of the experiances those believers have had with their god/gods.

Now the way that you blow all those other religions off as fake, that is exactally what I did, and I included yours too.

Go ahead take a second to let that sink in...

You're giving intelligent atheists a bad name.

Because people who believe in other religions have chosen the wrong path. you haven't chosen any.

(Devil's Advocate post)

quote:Originally posted by Anarky:

Because people who believe in other religions have chosen the wrong path. you haven't chosen any.

(Devil's Advocate post)

Being an atheist doesn't mean you haven't "chosen a path".

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"

quote:Originally posted by wrestle171:

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"

Haha, very funny. I can say that with 100% certainty because theres nothing I could say if i thought you were serious.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

You're giving intelligent atheists a bad name.

I'm agnostic, but yes you are giving atheist a bad name...

quote:Originally posted by wrestle171:

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"



It took the Bible to open my eyes about how false religion was.

quote:Originally posted by Aseren:

Being an atheist doesn't mean you haven't "chosen a path".

I was talking about a path to god/ to the salvation of your soul etc . Sorry if i was unclear.

quote:Originally posted by Anarky:

I was talking about a path to god/ to the salvation of your soul etc . Sorry if i was unclear.

Thats a pretty big claim for having no proof a soul exists.

quote:Originally posted by wrestle171:

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"

Atheism is not a religion. How many times is this going to fucking come up? We need a sticky system...

And like another poster said, it took the Bible to make me atheist. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif) Disgusting book. I've read it all, most parts several times, and I have to say that it's less revelatory and convincing than the Simpsons.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

You're giving intelligent atheists a bad name.

why?

cause I pointed out how quickly religiouse people dismiss other religions with out for a second thinking that its not a matter of them being right and every one else being wrong, and a supernatural being is just like the teddy bear or blanky as a child, a crutch, to help week and ignorant people deal with loss and suffering.

quote:Originally posted by wrestle171:

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"

Contrary to popular belief there is no smooth path in life ever.

I don't like this whole "It's hard to be good" notion that's floating around.

People assume and suggest you need to help of god/religion to make you a good person.

Well, to look at it from another side of things, it's hard for athiests to imagine fully believing in god, so it's almost understandable why religious people can't concieve not.

quote:"every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist"

Atheism is not a religon, the word itself is indicative of that. It is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or gods.

quote:"i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God."

You'll find that many atheists are more knowledgable about the Bible than most Christians. This is precisely why most of us find it utterly laugable and in alot of cases, utterly dispecable that anyone would derive their morality from such a poorly edited collection of fairy tales. Your "word of God" is childish, immature nonsense, and I have read the Bible.

quote:"the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"

There is nothing easy about being atheist in today's society, especially if you live in the US; we have to put up with uneducated morons like you shoving their bronze-age belief system down our throats at every level of government, trying to indoctrinate our children and devalue us as members of society. Christians like to talk alot of shit about being persecuted; this is ironic given how good they are at doing just that to minorities they dislike.

It's easy to just throw one's hands up in the air and say "God did it!" as an answer to one's problems. It's easy to say everything will be alright because your invisible buddy has your back. It's easy never to think about your perception of the world rationally, to instead look to a thousands-year old book for made up answers. You're nothing more than a cowardly tool.

It takes balls to think rationally.

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^^^ bronze age is a bit early for this, there isn't so much of an emphasis placed on heaven, and especailly hell untill Jesus, which was well into the iron age, and even later when it was all finalized

atheism requires just as much fate if not more than religion, we make a faith based decision that there is nothing and that there is no repercussions for our actions, or lack thereof, religious people do the same thing except they have a chosen thing to strive for

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

There is nothing easy about being atheist in today's society, especially if you live in the US; we have to put up with uneducated morons like you shoving their bronze-age belief system down our throats at every level of government, trying to indoctrinate our children and devalue us as members of society. Christians like to talk alot of shit about being persecuted; this is ironic given how good they are at doing just that to minorities they dislike.

It's easy to just throw one's hands up in the air and say "God did it!" as an answer to one's problems. It's easy to say everything will be alright because your invisible buddy has your back. It's easy never to think about your perception of the world rationally, to instead look to a thousands-year old book for made up answers. You're nothing more than a cowardly tool.

It takes balls to think rationally.



Couldnt have said it better myself.

quote:"atheism requires just as much fate if not more than religion, we make a faith based decision that there is nothing and that there is no repercussions for our actions, or lack thereof, religious people do the same thing except they have a chosen thing to strive for"

Are you a fucking idiot? Does your brain function *at all?* Appearently not, since you can't seem to wrap your pitiful mind around the fact that there is no faith involved in being atheist. There is no reason to believe in a god, therefore we do not. That does not require faith, only logic. I don't have "faith" that Captain Sulu isn't going to crash land in front of my house and build a replica of the bar from "Cheers", because there's absolutely no goddamned reason to ever think something that stupid would happen. There's no faith involved with that, it's called not being a fucking idiot. Give it a shot sometime, it's refreshing.

quote:Originally posted by slaytanicwhermacht_89:

^^^ bronze age is a bit early for this, there isn't so much of an emphasis placed on heaven, and especailly hell untill Jesus, which was well into the iron age, and even later when it was all finalized

atheism requires just as much fate if not more than religion, we make a faith based decision that there is nothing and that there is no repercussions for our actions, or lack thereof, religious people do the same thing except they have a chosen thing to strive for



It doesn't require any faith as far as I know. For example, if someone is born on an island and raised by a group of people who have never heard of outside religions, he would probably not have a religion, or have some kind of religion based on Psychedelic drugs, or the native wildlife. Religion forms naturally, from superstitions, explanations for nature, and explanations for experiences (such as from eating a psychedelic or psychoactive plant). Science forms actual explanations without superstition.

You think Atheists strive for nothing? I strive for a peaceful world dominated by rational thought. Something that seems to have been absent lately from most of the world.

quote:Originally posted by wrestle171:

every religion involves faith. whether youre christian, muslim, agnostic, or atheist

i somehow doubt youve ever read a bible. do it and then try arguing with the word of God.

the way i see it, you chose the easy route "the path to heaven is narrow and rough, while the path to hell is wide and smooth"



Out of all the possible logical explanations for things that happen in the world, you chose the inane one stating that some being in the sky did everything, etc.?

quote:Originally posted by The_Big_Beef:

Contrary to popular belief there is no smooth path in life ever.

Yay! Truthfulness!

Who gives a shit who is right and who is wrong? I care more about who is fucking crazy enough to try and kill me because I don't think life carries the same meaning that they do.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

There is nothing easy about being atheist in today's society, especially if you live in the US; we have to put up with uneducated morons like you shoving their bronze-age belief system down our throats at every level of government, trying to indoctrinate our children and devalue us as members of society. Christians like to talk alot of shit about being persecuted; this is ironic given how good they are at doing just that to minorities they dislike.

It's easy to just throw one's hands up in the air and say "God did it!" as an answer to one's problems. It's easy to say everything will be alright because your invisible buddy has your back. It's easy never to think about your perception of the world rationally, to instead look to a thousands-year old book for made up answers. You're nothing more than a cowardly tool.

It takes balls to think rationally.



fucking owned. i'm saving that quote.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Yay! Truthfulness!

Who gives a shit who is right and who is wrong? I care more about who is fucking crazy enough to try and kill me because I don't think life carries the same meaning that they do.



the people who will kill you because of that are wrong.

quote:Originally posted by gomp:



the people who will kill you because of that are wrong.

Well, anyone killing anyone else for a difference of beliefs is obviously wrong.

I don't fear for my life because I don't believe in god though.

I mean, I've had people tell me I'm going to "burn in hell" which is quite amusing to someone who doesn't believe in it.. but no direct attempts have been made on my life.

As Surak said, it is tough being an Atbeist today. You're always going to run into people who pray for you and "Christians" who tell you you're going to goto hell.

Also, for the most part, no logic or rationalization can change or even sway the beliefs of a Christian. Anybody who is into Psychology understands how defense mechanisms work, and that is what is happening here. They will defend their beliefs no matter what.

The difference between the logic of bible pushers and Atheists is the former tends to use their own interpretations of a 2000 year old book that is known for its contradictions and basically talk out of their asses most of the time while Atheists tend to observe and make rational and realistic conclusions.

Sure, I and many other Atheists can understand where Christians are coming from when they say what they say and do what they do because, frankly, a lot of us believed the same thing at one point in our lives. When I made the transformation from Catholic to Atheist a few years back, everything in my life had begun to make sense. I like to think of it like a magic trick (a good one); at first, you're amazed at the trick and you have no possible idea how it works and once you realize how it works, it makes everyone look stupid for not understanding how it works (some adults are dumb enough to actually believe in magic BTW). I'm sure there are Atheists here that can agree with me on that one.

On another note, I woke up to some guy on TV who owns a ministry or something and he was talking about stopping people who walked out of a bar drunk and making them pray with him. What the fuck is up with that? Maybe Christians wouldn't get such a bad reputation if they stopped smothering everyone with their beliefs. It's the equivalent to me standing outside a church and telling everyone to stop believing in a higher power.

Alright, one more thing. I believe many Christians are doing good things, but for the wrong reasons. We shouldn't do good things to get into heaven or because God told us to, we should do good things because it's the right thing to do and so other people have to feel less shitty. I really do care about other people and how they feel, but I don't need a book or higher power to tell me how to act. One thing that REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY pisses me off is that many Christians think Atheists are bad people because of our beliefs. Of course, most of these people I have come in contact with are really the opposite of what a true Christian should be. There is no correlation between religious belief and morality. I have met great Christians, Christian pieces of trash, great Atheists, piece of shit Atheists, great Muslims, etc... Based on the individual, blah blah blah /rambling

quote:Originally posted by DrGay:

It's the equivalent to me standing outside a church and telling everyone to stop believing in a higher power.

That would be badass!

Honestly, it wouldn't get him anywhere, except probably attacked at some point.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

Honestly, it wouldn't get him anywhere, except probably attacked at some point.

if you got mobbed by a bunch of christians, the ones who mobed you would end up in jail and you could probably sue the church it happend in front of for inhibiting your freedom of speech

depending on the amount you get you would eather shut the church down or because they would probably ask the congragation for donations for legal fees make a buncha people really broke(tell christians you need money to save a church and they will empty their pockets and bank accounts)

shit I might try this next summer it woudl be awesome

Tape it and post it.

I might do this someday.

I would have to be really

fucked up first, then I

would end up in jail.