THE BELIEF IN A GOD IS THE MOST FEEBLE MINDED ATEMPT TO JUSTIFY HUMANS NEED FOR SELF IMPORTANCE AND CONVALUDED GRATIFACATION.

IN MY LIFE I HAVE NEVER SEEN NOR HEARD ANY FUCKING LIVING THING WORTHY OF ETERNAL LIFE. WE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN MICROBIAL LIFE, TEEMING ON A COSMIC SPEC OF DUST IN ONE OF A HUNDRED MILLIONS OF SOLAR SYSTEMS IN ONE OF A BILLION BILLIONS OF GALAXIES.

THOUGH WE AS HUMANS ARE HIGHLY INQUSITIVE CREATURES WE HAVE ALWAYS STRIVED TO FIND THE ANSWER TO LIFES SEEMINGLY INANSWERABLE QUESTIONS TO LIFE, LIKE "HOW" AND "WHY". BUT IN THE QUEST FOR INTELECTUAL INLIGHTENMENT SOME HALF-ASSED PEA-BRAINED PUSSY JUST COPPED OUT AND SAID "WELL THERE MUST HAVE BEEN "SOMEONE"( QUOTATIONS INDICATING MANS INFLATED SENCE OF SELF IMPORTANCE) MUST HAVE MADE IT.

BULLSHIT!!! I CONCEDE THAT THERE ARE MANY UNANSWERD QUESTIONS TO LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE BUT TO PUT SOME KIND OF CORPOREAL "HUSK" ON AN INTANGEBLE CONCEPT ONLY DIMINISHES ITS GREATNESS! YES, I SAID IT, LABLING THE MYSTERIOUS FORCE THAT BINDS REALITY TOGEATHER AS "GOD" IS A FUCKING INSULT.

IN CLOSING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT MORE HAINIOUS ATROCITYS HAVE BEEN COMMITED AGAINST MANKIND IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN ANY ONTHER RESONE PERIOD. WAR, MURDER, RAPE, TOUTURE, GENOCIDE. ALL OF THOSE WORDS ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH RELIGION.



AND YEA, I KNOW I CANT SPELL. BUT I DONT GIVE A FUCK.

[This message has been edited by THE ONLY SANE MAN (edited 11-04-2006).]

Wrong. Religion is spectacular, it's the people that are the cancer.

OK THEN, IF PEOPLE ARE THE CANCER, THEN THAN MAKES RELIGION A SYMPTOM OF IT. CAUSE AND EFFECT.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Wrong. Religion is spectacular, it's the people that are the cancer.

Wrong. Some religion is spectacular, most is evil, such as the Abrahamic religions.

Most of the things you say are agreeable with me. However, you must look at some of the postive things religion has done for our society. If someone finds true happiness in worshiping a God, who are we to say they are wrong, as long as they dont interfere with us.

quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:

Most of the things you say are agreeable with me. However, you must look at some of the postive things religion has done for our society. If someone finds true happiness in worshiping a God, who are we to say they are wrong, as long as they dont interfere with us.



VERY TRUE. IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD, DO IT. BUT ONE OF THE MAIN PRACTICES OF ANY RELIGON IS TO RECRUIT AND CONVERT. MUCH LIKE AGRESIVE FORMS OF CANCER. SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL INTERFERE WITH US.

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quote:Originally posted by THE ONLY SANE MAN:

VERY TRUE. IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD, DO IT. BUT ONE OF THE MAIN PRACTICES OF ANY RELIGON IS TO RECRUIT AND CONVERT. MUCH LIKE AGRESIVE FORMS OF CANCER. SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL INTERFERE WITH US.



Sadly, this is true. Most major religions today are little more then a business, esp the catholic church...

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Wrong. Some religion is spectacular, most is evil, such as the Abrahamic religions.

Wrong. Every religion is meant to benefit, and is created with a truly altruistic outlook. It's the people within it who ruin it all.

I'd read it if you didn't have the cap lock on.

^^^ Bet me to it.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Wrong. Every religion is meant to benefit, and is created with a truly altruistic outlook. It's the people within it who ruin it all.



I disagree with you because certain relgions dogmas are not beneficial. For example, Christianity has a lot of great teachings in it, however, it also teaches intolerance and hate. Please do not even attempt to deny that.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Wrong. Every religion is meant to benefit, and is created with a truly altruistic outlook. It's the people within it who ruin it all.

ok dude, so if a people create a religion, then that religion IS its people. so to say that religion is good but its just the people bringing it down is just another exsample of a religious cop out, buy not acknowlaging the fact that any religion is only as great as the sum of its parts, ie: its followers, is another exsample of a long held religious doctorin of not taking responsibility for ones own actions.

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quote:Originally posted by AnAsTaSiO:



I disagree with you because certain relgions dogmas are not beneficial. For example, Christianity has a lot of great teachings in it, however, it also teaches intolerance and hate. Please do not even attempt to deny that.

There's no reason to deny it. I am saying that they created it because they thought it would create the most positive relationship between themselves and the world around them.

quote:Originally posted by THE ONLY SANE MAN:

ok dude, so if a people create a religion, then that religion IS its people. so to say that religion is good but its just the people bringing it down is just another exsample of a religious cop out, buy not acknowlaging the fact that any religion is only as great as the sum of its parts, ie: its followers, is another exsample of a long held religious doctorin of not taking responsibility for ones own actions.



Please learn to type and spell. You're obviously a High Schooler in your "I Hate Religion Stage."

You said that religion itself is the root of all evil, and that's wrong. So again, to reiterate my point, the idea of religion is to improve the relationship with the world and the supernatural. Religion, as an idea is wonderful, but the way it's implemented is where we have problems. People are the root of all evil, which is as true as you'll get it.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Please learn to type and spell. You're obviously a High Schooler in your "I Hate Religion Stage."

You said that religion itself is the root of all evil, and that's wrong. So again, to reiterate my point, the idea of religion is to improve the relationship with the world and the supernatural. Religion, as an idea is wonderful, but the way it's implemented is where we have problems. People are the root of all evil, which is as true as you'll get it.

I can agree with that to a certain extent. It's almost the same arguement as, Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

In a perfect world, religion would be great. Everyone would be free to practice their beliefs free from hatred. However, I feel that religion itself, and the peope who follow contribute to the fact that religion is not perfect.

I apolgize for my confusing post, I'm really sick...

Dude, these threads are pointless. You aren't going to change the mind of anyone of faith, and the energy you put into writing this could be put into actually doing something about it.

quote:Originally posted by yossarianlives:

Dude, these threads are pointless. You aren't going to change the mind of anyone of faith, and the energy you put into writing this could be put into actually doing something about it.

In that case, this whole forum is pointless.

quote:Originally posted by yossarianlives:

Dude, these threads are pointless. You aren't going to change the mind of anyone of faith, and the energy you put into writing this could be put into actually doing something about it.

I would LOVE to do something, but, what? something like going and burning down churches? no, i cant do that because thats what christians did. kidnapp people and tourture them into converting from there faith? no, that would be another christian methodology. so I cant do anything except express my opinion in an appropriate forum like this one because any other course of action would be christian. I believe that to overcome an injustice one must rise above it, not sink to its level. I will not repeat the same hainious acts of the chritians because i am better than that.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Please learn to type and spell. You're obviously a High Schooler in your "I Hate Religion Stage."

You said that religion itself is the root of all evil, and that's wrong. So again, to reiterate my point, the idea of religion is to improve the relationship with the world and the supernatural. Religion, as an idea is wonderful, but the way it's implemented is where we have problems. People are the root of all evil, which is as true as you'll get it.

I am not a high schooler, i am a twenty four year old battling dyslexia you judgmental asshole!!!! fuck you!! obviously you're another biggoted self rightious chritian prick. and in the future adress only the topic and avoid making personal attacks on the writer when you run out of arugment for the topic, its just childish.



Now, in reponse to your retorte, I NEVER said religion is evil. evil is a concept created by the church in order to further stigmatize actions that would ultametly lead to self inlightenment and free thinking.

So to make a reasponse to that in the same manner as you put it, how can something that was created by " evil" ever do or be any "good"? It's an oxymoron. A double negative.

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Err...

wasn't suggesting anything illegal.

I was thinking more along the lines of raising awareness...

quote:Originally posted by yossarianlives:

Err...

wasn't suggesting anything illegal.

I was thinking more along the lines of raising awareness...

Wanna be a little more specific? I think a message board such as Totse that has a lot of young participants and lurkers reading about being skeptical of outrageous claims that don't bring forth strong evidence, does a fine job at raising awareness, but if you've got any better ideas, we're all ears.

quote:Originally posted by THE ONLY SANE MAN:

I am not a high schooler, i am a twenty four year old battling dyslexia you judgmental asshole!!!!

If you're 24, you would've dealt with it by now. And even a 24 old dyslexic would have the syntax of an upper level high schooler, characteristics you do not represent. You're lying. You seem to be doing a good job in this post...

[quote]fuck you!! obviously you're another biggoted self rightious chritian prick.

You're the one making an assumption about my religion without me giving any hint as to my background. Obviously you have no clue what my religion, frame of thought or any of my background is.

quote:and in the future adress only the topic and avoid making personal attacks on the writer when you run out of arugment for the topic, its just childish.

Are you kidding me? You think it's possible to address someone's argument without questioning their background? You called me a "Bigoted Self-righteous Christian." Practice what you preach, kid.

quote:Now, in reponse to your retorte, I NEVER said religion is evil. evil is a concept created by the church in order to further stigmatize actions that would ultametly lead to self inlightenment and free thinking.

Wrong. Evil is based on the idea of morality. Morality is simply the way of the tribe. Evil is simply the idea of something being wrong. Wrongness wasn't a religious invention.

quote:So to make a reasponse to that in the same manner as you put it, how can something that was created by " evil" ever do or be any "good"? It's an oxymoron. A double negative.

In order to understand what evil is, one must know the opposite. Can't have light without dark, up without down, or yin without yang.

And for your information, not like you have ANY fucking right to know after being a complete twat, I was raised as a conservative Jew, and am now Atheist.

Feeling any better?

By the way, if you're going to use "Words of the day" words repeatedly, spell them correctly.

It's "heinous."

Feel free to copy and paste it when you use it again.

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING ?

Also, old and overdone. Way to think for yourself there, doll.

quote:Originally posted by THE ONLY SANE MAN:

I am not a high schooler, i am a twenty four year old battling dyslexia you judgmental asshole!!!! fuck you!!

Your behavior would indicate otherwise.

Do us a favor and don't ever procreate.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Do us a favor and don't ever procreate.

Ignore him, he's clearly a troll.

quote:"Wrong. Every religion is meant to benefit, and is created with a truly altruistic outlook."

Damn straight! Also, I'm really William Shatner, and you're not actually talking out of your ass.

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

Wrong. Every religion is meant to benefit, and is created with a truly altruistic outlook. It's the people within it who ruin it all.

Religions only benefit if they're true. Christianity, for instance, slows down scientific progress; it is based on faith, and any dogmatic system will prevent the truth from being discovered (unless it IS the truth). Catholicism thinks masturbation and birth control are evil; the agony of desire I was in before I discovered masturbation, and the prevelance of people having ten kids while being unable to provide for one, convinces me that those doctrines are harmful.

Or there is the Thuggee cult of India. By murdering certain people in a ritualistic way, members think they benefit themselves and their goddess. Again, unless they're right about Kali thirsting for the lives of male Indians that aren't holy men or merchants, this religion doesn't benefit anything.

The examples go on, but I think you understand my point. Maybe Christians think they're being saved from hell with their religion... but I can't see how it actually benefits unless it's actually true. Religion is a cancer, even when adhered to completely. It's not the people, it's the religion.

Of course, without people believing in it the religion can't do any damage, but I hope this isn't your point. That would be a little ridiculous.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

Damn straight! Also, I'm really William Shatner, and you're not actually talking out of your ass.

You did read the word "Created" right? They created their religion because they thought it would benefit them. I'm talking the religion itself, not the habits, teachings or all of the craziness within; they did it because they thought it would benefit them, and make their lives more meaningful.

If we're going to talk about religious teachings and how they have conflicted with each other currently, I'd be singing a different tune. But religion itself, at its base level, is and has been for the purpose of "better." Better living, better relationship with the divine, better everything. But as I said, it's when people - inherently different creatures with opinions and such - get involved and stick their noses in, it's where we all get objects inserted in our shit pipes.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Religions only benefit if they're true.

What do you mean by true? True religion? True ideas? I'm not being smarmy here, I don't really know what you're implying.

quote:Christianity, for instance, slows down scientific progress; it is based on faith, and any dogmatic system will prevent the truth from being discovered (unless it IS the truth).

No arguments here. But Christianity was created without these things in mind, and without the burden/benefit of technology. Again, I said " every religion was created"; if we were going to get into what happened to everything, we'd be here awhile.

quote:Catholicism thinks masturbation and birth control are evil; the agony of desire I was in before I discovered masturbation, and the prevelance of people having ten kids while being unable to provide for one, convinces me that those doctrines are harmful.

Far be it from me to discount masturbation, but the creators of Catholicism probably had a good reason for it. They thought it was bad in the eyes of God, unhealthy, or made you go blind, but they obviously thought it was a big enough deal to do something about it.

quote:Or there is the Thuggee cult of India. By murdering certain people in a ritualistic way, members think they benefit themselves and their goddess. Again, unless they're right about Kali thirsting for the lives of male Indians that aren't holy men or merchants, this religion doesn't benefit anything.

It benefits that religion. They do it because they think they should. Again, the human element in you and me obviously have conflicting ideas because murder is not something we like. But when their God/Deity/Lord/Savior/Prophet/Whatever told them to do it, they obviously thought it was good for them, or else they wouldn't do it.

quote:The examples go on, but I think you understand my point. Maybe Christians think they're being saved from hell with their religion... but I can't see how it actually benefits unless it's actually true. Religion is a cancer, even when adhered to completely. It's not the people, it's the religion.

As stated by someone already, without people, religion wouldn't exist. Since that is logical thought, I can't argue. But the ideas of different religions all created by different people who all thought they had a better idea about how to live life, is the problem. Religion as an idea is simply a common bond between people and beliefs, and if everyone had those same beliefs, it wouldn't be a problem but all people have different beliefs.

quote:Of course, without people believing in it the religion can't do any damage, but I hope this isn't your point. That would be a little ridiculous.

Then the lack of believing in other religions would therefore be a religion.

I think the problem here is that I'm using the textbook definition of religion, and when I said it, people immediately think Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, or Confucians. I'm responding to the exact title of this thread, while ignoring everything else. Religion is meant to be a common bond, a uniting force between people. That's why religions exist; someone thinks that they have a better grasp on what it is to live life, and others agree with them. If they didn't agree, they wouldn't follow.

What most people are saying here, which I agree with, is the conflict that occurs when different religions come in contact with each other, and I'm not going to argue that.

To INFECTEDGOOSE:

It is obvious at this point that you no longer have an argument. in your last.....i'm goiong to call it a "swan song" instead of a post, you only attacked me, not my argument. and this is a characteristic of a failing argument, attack the person, not debate the idea. you've lost. game over. but if i were you i would be angry too if i were out debated by a "high schooler" with bad grammer http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

and please, dont write any more rants on this post, this is an open forum for free thinkers, not people with feeble minds that can't cope with there own failed religious beliefs. Shalom mother fucker.

why dont you start your own thread and see if anyone gives a shit about what you have to say.

[This message has been edited by THE ONLY SANE MAN (edited 11-06-2006).]

Goose, I'm not taking issue with the idea that religion was intended to benefit. I'm responding to your contention that religion is not a problem. As I hope I've shown, it does cause problems. It may be intended to help, but it harms; it is a cancer. I interpreted your statement that it's people that are the problem as echoing the common sentiment that the only reason religion ever causes any problems is that people don't adhere to it perfectly; that human nature ruins something otherwise good.

quote:As stated by someone already, without people, religion wouldn't exist. Since that is logical thought, I can't argue. But the ideas of different religions all created by different people who all thought they had a better idea about how to live life, is the problem. Religion as an idea is simply a common bond between people and beliefs, and if everyone had those same beliefs, it wouldn't be a problem but all people have different beliefs.

It would be a problem. If everyone was Catholic we'd have a population size beyond ridiculous, and povery would be rampant. If everyone was Thuggee we'd have murders all over. If everyone adhered to any system of dogma, then scientific progress would be stricken dead.

Of course, this is assuming you have a common definition of good and evil. Though if you hold that they are subjective, then I can't see how people are a problem either.

quote:Originally posted by THE ONLY SANE MAN:

To INFECTEDGOOSE:

It is obvious at this point that you no longer have an argument. in your last.....i'm goiong to call it a "swan song" instead of a post, you only attacked me, not my argument. and this is a characteristic of a failing argument, attack the person, not debate the idea. you've lost. game over. but if i were you i would be angry too if i were out debated by a "high schooler" with bad grammer http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

and please, dont write any more rants on this post, this is an open forum for free thinkers, not people with feeble minds that can't cope with there own failed religious beliefs. Shalom mother fucker.

why dont you start your own thread and see if anyone gives a shit about what you have to say.



You didn't even read my post.

I think i'll listen to Raw_Power and stop feeding the trolls.

ok, to make this clear, i WILL NOT argue any religions doctorin because i think that anyone who believes in god is CRAZY! yes, certifiably nuts. unlike some on this post that want to sit around and verbaly masterbate and argue who has a bigger dick. proverbialy speaking of course. thats why i dont respond to people that even mention any specific regligious dogma because to me its just a bunch of humbug, bullshit whatever. the belief in god is a form of psycosis and any writings supporting it even in the trivial of mentionings is just inflamming these delusions. and yes a have been baited into these arguments recently but i will look out for that in the future.

Just to start something up, has anyone ever noticed how mad some religious people get when trying to debate any ideas other than there own, like they cant hold there argument together and instead just sink to attacking your person?

quote:Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

You didn't even read my post.

I think i'll listen to Raw_Power and stop feeding the trolls.

Raw power was talking to me about someone else, dipshit.

You can't be serious that the idea of putting your argument eloquently is just as viable as typing it in all caps with the grammar of a middle-school speddy kid?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Infectedgoose:

You can't be serious that the idea of putting your argument eloquently is just as viable as typing it in all caps with the grammar of a middle-school speddy kid?[/QUO

i'm still right, and your still wrong.

You peons are a cancer upon this forum. Religion has nothing to do with believing in god.

Go look the word "religion" up in the dictionary and get back to me, moron.

Cheers,

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