What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree. Of corce not every one is going to be polite when telling you god exsists for example, so why don't just ignore them? On Totse what does it achive when you start flamming someone who believes in god, why not ignore it? Why waste every one's time including your own time?

I respect every one's opinion on the exsistance of god, if I don't agree I keep it to myself, or I explain why I don't agree, if they get angry or can't answer a question I don't go, "zomg, lolz, I told you so!"

I'll just change the subject, or walk away.

Just think abvout it.

Well, if they visit a forum with a name like "My God Can Beat THe Shit Out Of Your God", they should expect to hear from those who express different views as to the existance of God. This forum is for open debate. Why should we ignore anything?

Correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't see any thread in this forum where someone has tried to ram a certain religion down someone else's throat.

Don't get me wrong this forum gets the odd idiot spammer every now and again, just like the others. But other than that I don't see anyone trying to convert everyone here.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

Ever heard of something called "debate"? If we just sit around and act polite, then we'll never discover the truth.

I agree that "flamming" is useless, but I'm not just going to metaphorically walk away when someone makes a ridiculous claim.

[This message has been edited by Twisted_Ferret (edited 11-10-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Jeff Hunter:

Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

Ever heard of something called "debate"? If we just sit around and act polite, then we'll never discover the truth.

I agree that "flamming" is useless, but I'm not just going to metaphorically walk away when someone makes a ridiculous claim.



I agree as usual.

And OP: I've got to be honest, I dislike this "Why do you athiests blah blah blah" when just as many if not more religious people have done the exact. same. thing.

Just because you believe in god it doesn't mean that you, or anyone sharing your beliefs, is above doing the same thing as anyone else.

Personalities are person to person.

My personality didn't come attached to a religious choice.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

Ever heard of something called "debate"? If we just sit around and act polite, then we'll never discover the truth.

I agree that "flamming" is useless, but I'm not just going to metaphorically walk away when someone makes a ridiculous claim.



You don't have to insult in a debate.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

You don't have to insult in a debate.

I find it insulting that you assume he implied that people insult when they debate.

It's insulting to assume things about people.

*giggles to T*Ferret*

Pfff, just go to a different forum, there are plenty out there that won't bang on your insecurities.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree.

Because if we do it politely then we dont get the desired effect.

quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

Well, if they visit a forum with a name like "My God Can Beat THe Shit Out Of Your God", they should expect to hear from those who express different views as to the existance of God. This forum is for open debate. Why should we ignore anything?

Good question. It makes me wonder why my recent thread was locked:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/006168.html

What right do you have, to tell me what I can't or can do, suckah.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Good question. It makes me wonder why my recent thread was locked:

http: //www.tots e.com/bbs/ Forum15/HTML/006168.html (http: //www.tots e.com/bbs/ Forum15/HT ML/006168. html)



It was more than likely locked due to the way it was posted. Not due to the content.

If you had presented comment or opinion in order to begin a discussion concerning the content of the linked site, it would have been a legitimate post. Presenting it as you did should have resulted in it being closed or moved to IFIOTW.



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quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

It was more than likely locked due to the way it was posted. Not due to the content.

I don't know; I see plenty of threads started without comment on an article, video or link:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/006169.html http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/006076.html http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/006167.html

Would it have been much different if I posted the link and added, "Your thoughts?"?

We have the right to ask for evidence, we have to right to ask for the reasons people believe the things they do, and we also have the right to criticize people's beliefs if they dont have good reasons.

Martini, In my opinion, the first two posts you referenced should have been closed. At least an opinion was offered in the third.

Generally , it's good practice to quote a portion of the site's content and raise questions/opinions on specific pionts. That would show that you have actually examined the content of the site and that it bears content worth discussion.

In no way do I claim to speak for LostCause.

Just general practice used by most mods (myself included) in the other forums.

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quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:

We have the right to ask for evidence, we have to right to ask for the reasons people believe the things they do, and we also have the right to criticize people's beliefs if they dont have good reasons.

No you do not.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

No you do not.

Yes we do.

Please tell me that you're not truly suggesting that we do not have the right to ask about someone's belief. Please tell me that you don't really think that we don't have the right to criticize someone's belief. Why, in Xenu's name, are beliefs so sacred? We can criticize books, movies, everything else... why should some dumbass notion be different if someone calls it a religion?

Criticism is helpful. If someone believes something wrong, then they are doing nothing but harming themselves in believing it. How many Catholics are tormented their entire lives because they think masturbation and birth control are sinful?

So, to recap, you believe that free speech, debate, and reason are all bad and we should just smile and nod no matter what someone claims to believe. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) Wow, we'll make a lot of progress then!

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

No you do not.

Yes we do.

Please tell me that you're not truly suggesting that we do not have the right to ask about someone's belief. Please tell me that you don't really think that we don't have the right to criticize someone's belief. Why, in Xenu's name, are beliefs so sacred? We can criticize books, movies, everything else... why should some dumbass notion be different if someone calls it a religion?

Criticism is helpful. If someone believes something wrong, then they are doing nothing but harming themselves in believing it. How many Catholics are tormented their entire lives because they think masturbation and birth control are sinful?

So, to recap, you believe that free speech, debate, and reason are all bad and we should just smile and nod no matter what someone claims to believe. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) Wow, we'll make a lot of progress then!

You are one very stupid child.

Holy shit, I've been pwned. Nice rebuttal, dude... that definitely ended this "debate."

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

You are one very stupid child.



NO U

I know Ferret quite well and I can confidently tell you that he's in the top 1% of totseans in terms of intelligence.

Tell me something, I'd like to know what you have to say about this.

You object to those who "insult" a person with beliefs different to their own, in the course of religious debate.

But in the course of religious debate in THIS VERY THREAD, you insulted Twisted_Ferret because his beliefs are different to yours!

I look forward to your response on that. But for the moment I'll also illustrate why he has a more defensible position in this debate than yourself.

When a Bible bashing Christian, for example, is debating with an atheist, how does the Christian view that atheist?

According to the Christian's views, the atheist is - in no uncertain terms - not just wrong, but sinful. And what's more, the atheist DESERVES to spend an eternity of suffering in hell for his current beliefs. And, if given the opportunity, the Christian will tell this quite openly during the course of their debate. This is qualitatively no different to the slings cast by atheists that you object to.

So I'll remind you of something Jesus said. “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

No you do not.

Yes we do. You see the home page of this website?

quote:Originally posted by Totse:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

-- The First Amendment

(Part of the U.S. Bill of Rights -- Collect the whole set!)

We are not preventing you from having a religion, we have a lawful right to question it, and be critical of it. If your religion can't stand up to simple questions, maybe you should reconsider it. If you can't stand to reconsider it, don't go to websites that allow free speech. There is a big difference between respecting people's opinions, and the self censorship / self induced ignorance your suggesting.



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quote:Originally posted by fullcircle:



NO U

I know Ferret quite well and I can confidently tell you that he's in the top 1% of totseans in terms of intelligence.

Tell me something, I'd like to know what you have to say about this.

You object to those who "insult" a person with beliefs different to their own, in the course of religious debate.

But in the course of religious debate in THIS VERY THREAD, you insulted Twisted_Ferret because his beliefs are different to yours!

I look forward to your response on that. But for the moment I'll also illustrate why he has a more defensible position in this debate than yourself.

When a Bible bashing Christian, for example, is debating with an atheist, how does the Christian view that atheist?

According to the Christian's views, the atheist is - in no uncertain terms - not just wrong, but sinful. And what's more, the atheist DESERVES to spend an eternity of suffering in hell for his current beliefs. And, if given the opportunity, the Christian will tell this quite openly during the course of their debate. This is qualitatively no different to the slings cast by atheists that you object to.

So I'll remind you of something Jesus said. “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."

Haha, you deserve to be a mod.

People can insult all they want, but then why do people not insult?

It's called manners, which is something TF does not have the consept of.

He didn't have to reply to this thread, but he just wanted to challenge somebody.

I made a statement of TF being stupid, and according to your logic, he is not.

If this is the case then he just said something 'wrong' to prove the argument of his 'challenge' correct.

Do you agree that people have the right to insult anyone they want?

If you do, then you fall under the catogory of something which my religion referes to as, "A merchant of chaos." But then we fall back to the heading if religion, which I agree, can't be used a valid argument.

But remember this is my thread, not TF.

Yes, this is HIS thread guys, so he's the boss http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

nigga plz.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

People can insult all they want, but then why do people not insult?

It's called manners, which is something TF does not have the consept of.

I have been much more polite to you than you have been to me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

quote:He didn't have to reply to this thread, but he just wanted to challenge somebody.

No. I wanted to correct what I saw as an incorrect and possibly harmful belief.

quote:I made a statement of TF being stupid, and according to your logic, he is not.

There's only one type of logic.

quote:If this is the case then he just said something 'wrong' to prove the argument of his 'challenge' correct.

What? What have I said that is wrong?

I can't even figure out what you really mean. Challenge? What challenge? Argument of my challenge? http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

I said something wrong (that people have a right to criticize?) to prove the argument of my challenge (???) correct... this is just making no sense to me.

quote: But then we fall back to the heading if religion, which I agree, can't be used a valid argument.

But remember this is my thread, not TF.

The heading if religion... man, whatever drugs you were on when you wrote this post, I want some! http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree. Of corce not every one is going to be polite when telling you god exsists for example, so why don't just ignore them? On Totse what does it achive when you start flamming someone who believes in god, why not ignore it? Why waste every one's time including your own time?

I respect every one's opinion on the exsistance of god, if I don't agree I keep it to myself, or I explain why I don't agree, if they get angry or can't answer a question I don't go, "zomg, lolz, I told you so!"

I'll just change the subject, or walk away.

Just think abvout it.

How the hell does a "scientologist" like yourself get off telling people whether or not they have the right to tell other people whether or not there really is a god? If you didn't want to fuckin argue with people about what you posted you wouldn't have posted it and kept it to "[your]self." Have you ever heard of L. Ron Hubbard? Your such a douche.

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree. Of corce not every one is going to be polite when telling you god exsists for example, so why don't just ignore them? On Totse what does it achive when you start flamming someone who believes in god, why not ignore it? Why waste every one's time including your own time?

I respect every one's opinion on the exsistance of god, if I don't agree I keep it to myself, or I explain why I don't agree, if they get angry or can't answer a question I don't go, "zomg, lolz, I told you so!"

I'll just change the subject, or walk away.

Just think abvout it.

i've tried. you know what happens? it's fucking shunned. good luck with it.

Atticus_Ellis, where do you get off calling Twisted_Ferret "a stupid child" when if you read the origional post it looks as if written by "a stupid child."

Why look at the speck of sawdust in thy neighbors eye and ignore the log in thine own?

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree. Of corce not every one is going to be polite when telling you god exsists for example, so why don't just ignore them? On Totse what does it achive when you start flamming someone who believes in god, why not ignore it? Why waste every one's time including your own time?

I respect every one's opinion on the exsistance of god, if I don't agree I keep it to myself, or I explain why I don't agree, if they get angry or can't answer a question I don't go, "zomg, lolz, I told you so!"

I'll just change the subject, or walk away.

Just think abvout it.

[This message has been edited by Cooking with Zyklon B (edited 11-19-2006).]

Zyklon, you forgot about ^___^

Annnd I won't bother ripping apart the OP because it's already done.. nonetheless the thread fails..

quote:Originally posted by Atticus_Ellis:

What right do you have to tell people that god doesn't exsist, any more then they have the right to tell you he does?

If someone has said something religious, instead of arguing, or getting offencive, why don't to politely explain why you don't agree. Of corce not every one is going to be polite when telling you god exsists for example, so why don't just ignore them? On Totse what does it achive when you start flamming someone who believes in god, why not ignore it? Why waste every one's time including your own time?

I respect every one's opinion on the exsistance of god, if I don't agree I keep it to myself, or I explain why I don't agree, if they get angry or can't answer a question I don't go, "zomg, lolz, I told you so!"

I'll just change the subject, or walk away.

Just think abvout it.

Why are you such a bitch?

ummm... people have every right to tell others that god doesnt exist, just like people have every right to tell others that god exists. i have every right to tell you that milk is white and i have every right to tell you that the sun is made of peanut butter. just that one is wrong and one isnt, i dont have the right however to force upon you that the wrong one is right and vice versa. its the receiver's choice whether something is right or not, the other guy can say what ever the hell he wants. but when people see something that they beleive to be wrong and they have a strong beleive about it, ofcourse they'll try to discredit it, how do we know if its right or wrong if we dont look at its faults? ofcourse there are the bigots who just wants to throw their weight around, but they've got the right to be obnoxious, why the hell not?