I'm just going to write this as if I'm writing to myself to clarify what's going on, on the inside of me. The pull that I've been feeling lately, has cause so much turmoil in breaking beyond the boundaries of human reasoning. I've tried so hard to understand God, instead of having an understanding of God. Let's face it, I can never think on the level God thinks on. His thoughts are complete, mine are fragmentational. (I hope that's a word). I believe that all things are possible. Hallelujah. It's a pull between my flesh and the Spirit. I can't even begin to say to the fullest how easy it is to get into the flesh and be controled by emotions and circumstances rather than the Word of God. I know that God's waiting on us. He's been waiting for His bride to be clothed in His glorious splendor for so long. We've been crying out for what He's already provided, simply because we like to KNOW about God, and HEAR, about God, and TALK about God, but never DO what God said to do. We want an easier way. How much easier can it get than believeing?

I shouldn't be living according to this World's system. We shouldn't be going to 'work' and trying to 'fit God in', we should be continually walking with God in unbroken fellowship. We have those who consider God, 'work' and those who try to 'work' God. We always want to have authority, but we've not humbled ourselves to be sunject to an authority. My job shouldn't be my supply. My job should be a supply. I have a cry for the nations, and lost souls of this world. I that I'm not UNselfish enough to give up my desires and sow into the lives of missionaries. I hate that I've been telling others to believe, and yet I haven't taken a step of faith to believe God for my provision, instead of my job. I did believe God for my job, and I didn't have to even fill out an application. Interviews came to me because of God, but God didn't give me that job so I could serve the job, but that I could serve Him more. God said, "Seek the kingdom of God, and all these things will be added unto you." He basically said, You take care of my business, it's easy. My yolk is easy my burden is light, and all you have to do is believe me, because I've already made provision. It's as easy as believeing, but it's hard to say, "I'm unable to do what God can do." May the spirit of pride be broken in man, and the spirit of confidence,towards God take it's place.

May I continually remain humble under the mighty hand of God, that He may use me according to His will. It's hard, but grace makes it easy. I'll fight this fight of faith no matter how hard it gets. When I can no longer walk, God will become my legs. When I can no longer speak, He'll become my mouth. When I'm weak, He's strong. His might far exceeds my ability.

PUSH against pressure. PUSH into God when you circumstances pressure you to act according to what it presents. PUSH into God, and STAND on what HE said.

It's always been as simple as to simply believe.

I love you all.

A servant of the Lord Jesus Christ

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

A servant of the Lord Jesus Christ

Way to use your free will.

does this mean your going to become another door-knocker i have to tell to fuck off on a sunday morning?

or are you going to bomb an abortion clinic or something?

This is God speaking. I'm sending you to Hell so have fun k bai!!!

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

does this mean your going to become another door-knocker i have to tell to fuck off on a sunday morning?

or are you going to bomb an abortion clinic or something?

sorry to quote myself, but how is this different to an islamic suicide bombers last words?>

quote:Originally posted by Source:

Way to use your free will.

http://tinyurl.com/yev9zv

Well written -- I'm afraid most of it's brilliance in describing the subtle differences in views will be missed by most.

I got it and thanks for the encouraging words.

May God bless your mission ~ Amen

His "mission" seemed pretty vague to me. How the fuck do you push into God?

quote:Originally posted by DrGay:

His "mission" seemed pretty vague to me. How the fuck do you push into God?

I'm not entirely sure how this is supposed to be interpreted ,but Jesus gives a parable about a persistent widow, basically there is a judge who ,"neither feared god nor cared about man", who repeatedly refused to help the widow. However one day he finally gave in because she continued to come to him, and he granted her justice.

I think the meaning is that we should persevere with God, that if eventually the judge granted justice, then God who is infinitely more loving will also grant us justice. In other words, do not give up on god so easily, because your perserverance will pay off... Or that's how I understand it.

Would I be right in saying that this post was one in which you considered the problems with your faith, that you are fighting against your physical needs and wants to live a more spiritual life?

If I have this wrong, apologies, but I'd like to understand. COuld you explain it to me?

It’s a, sort of, metaphor!

Sort of like a riddle that has to be explained. If you can co-ordinate life than you may push God

What does push mean? http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

Sort of similar to human emotion. Its important to regocnise the differance between expression and thought.

Push God and your doing something rather than not pushing God....

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It's a pull between my flesh and the Spirit.

I've been thinking a lot and I'm literally a changed man. My beliefs are totally different now compared to 2 hours ago. We are in control of our own realities and our brains are one with the universe. Our souls are vehicles in which we time-travel every nanosecond and we are constantly being reborn. The earth and sun give us energy and life in ways we cannot comprehend. God fills us with love because God equals energy and love; God is not an entity but is all around is. God is energy, and energy is love. The only variable that can fill the equation of life is yourself, because you are your own reality. You have the power to concentrate your mind to travel the astral planes and the cosmos. The universe is ultimately connected to everybody's minds in which we see the truth before our very own eyes. The only truth is not only what we perceive, but we determine the truth of life subconsciously, consciously, and unconsciously. We must PUSH into God and PULL away from Satan.

Mark 43:29 - He who throws the babies into the craters of the earth will cease the flames of eternal riches.

Insanity.

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

I'm not entirely sure how this is supposed to be interpreted ,but Jesus gives a parable about a persistent widow, basically there is a judge who ,"neither feared god nor cared about man", who repeatedly refused to help the widow. However one day he finally gave in because she continued to come to him, and he granted her justice.

I think the meaning is that we should persevere with God, that if eventually the judge granted justice, then God who is infinitely more loving will also grant us justice. In other words, do not give up on god so easily, because your perserverance will pay off... Or that's how I understand it.

Would I be right in saying that this post was one in which you considered the problems with your faith, that you are fighting against your physical needs and wants to live a more spiritual life?

If I have this wrong, apologies, but I'd like to understand. COuld you explain it to me?

In that same parable Jesus says, "Up until John the Baptist the Kingdom of Heaven has suffered violence (Or has been violently advancing) and the violent take it by force. That's exactly it!

Hey! Either God's Word is the Truth, or it's not! I'm not going to say I believe and never expect God to honour His Word, despite my circumstances, when they're exactly opposite of what God's Word says I'm going to believe God's Word. When I don't FEEL like God's Word is the Truth, because of the symptoms of my body being contrary. When pressure is on from the enemy to take my Faith, I'm going to PUSH into HIM. His WORD is the Truth.

So often Satan can get us all away from people of Faith, (usually our own families) and He'll attack, through a circumstance or a symptom, perhaps and emotion, but as long as I'm not reactive to the enemy, but firm in my Faith in God, He has to accept defeat. Either I accept defeat or He accepts defeat. Christ is no defeated, He's victor.

God doesn't hold back anything from His children. He's given it all to us, and I believe one of the greatest deceptions is us thinking we're waiting on God, when It's God waiting on us. I believe I heard God say to me once, "When the Church desires to what I desire them to have with the same passionate desire, they'll have it". God wants us to walk in His glory more than we want it. If we wanted it as much as He wants us to walk in it, we'd be walking in it right now, operating in accordance with HIS Kingdom and not the World's system. I believe it's a heart thing. The heart, which we ourselves don't even know, but God alone, is what has to be right. We have to seek HIS glory and HIS heart, His heart is His Word, which is His will, and He'll transform us from glory to glory, from faith to faith, into His likeliness. Our best isn't good enough. It's by grace and through faith.

I say we don't know our own hearts, because we can say we love God and won't compromise, but when put in a situation, much like Peter, we don't know the decisions we'll make under pressure. We can hope to know, and prepare by abiding in Him.

I love you all. God is Good.

Shelly, Daughter of God, a Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. BE THANKFUL. Even if you cry giving thanks, be thankful. Sometimes it's hard to find a reason, esp. if you aren't walking with God.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Come Up Higher

I dunno, the po-po been gettin' suspicious lately...

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

I dunno, the po-po been gettin' suspicious lately...



That's funny. It made me laugh. Aye, on the real, there's no high like the MOST HIGH. Sounds logical, right?







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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

there's no high like the MOST HIGH

Try dope.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:



That's funny. It made me laugh. Aye, on the real, there's no high like the MOST HIGH. Sounds logical, right?



Is that why He fucks up so much? He's, like, totally stoned?

Ya know. God doesn't mess up. He's love. He doesn't make mistakes. He gave man dominion, and man made decisions against GOD. Yet, God is ever faithful, even when we're faithless. Ever heard the story of Adam and Eve? I'm not going to go into it. Simply keep is, as only believeing. God only reveals His heart and will to those who Believe. That's a decision, isn't it? You choose to believe or not believe. I believe. Hallelujah. I believe.

Is man acting against God what caused the hurricanes and floods and other natural disasters that kill thousands of people every year? Is man acting against God what causes all the diseases? God created everything, so God must have created natural disasters and diseases, bacterias, and germs.

Some people say that disease is God's way of testing people, but you go and tell a little girl that a supremely good God is testing people's faith by instilling skin cancer upon her.

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quote:Ever heard the story of Adam and Eve?

Planting a big fucking tree in the middle of the Garden, and then creating and dumping a talking serpent there who God must have known was wily was really a smart move on God's part. As was allowing them to eat from the tree, considering he's everywhere and would know they were about to do so. Oh, but wait a minute, God doesn't interfere with our freewill, right? Well, then, what about all the fucking "miracles" attributed to God which can technically be classed as interfering with freewill?

In fact, why am I even arguing with you about this? Talking serpents? Trees that produce fruit that once eaten instill knowledge or grant eternal life? What a load of bullshit.



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...Also with all our current technology, wouldn't we have found this 'magic' garden and 'magic' tree? Or is it 'magically' hidden from our satellites?

quote:Originally posted by DrGay:

I've been thinking a lot and I'm literally a changed man. My beliefs are totally different now compared to 2 hours ago. We are in control of our own realities and our brains are one with the universe. Our souls are vehicles in which we time-travel every nanosecond and we are constantly being reborn. The earth and sun give us energy and life in ways we cannot comprehend. God fills us with love because God equals energy and love; God is not an entity but is all around is. God is energy, and energy is love. The only variable that can fill the equation of life is yourself, because you are your own reality. You have the power to concentrate your mind to travel the astral planes and the cosmos. The universe is ultimately connected to everybody's minds in which we see the truth before our very own eyes. The only truth is not only what we perceive, but we determine the truth of life subconsciously, consciously, and unconsciously. We must PUSH into God and PULL away from Satan.

Mark 43:29 - He who throws the babies into the craters of the earth will cease the flames of eternal riches.

Is this heartfelt or a parody? The last sentence is nonsensical but if you truly believe the other things it's all good http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Peace http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

To the OP, you speak of faith - "these three remain faith, hope, and love but the greatest of these is love." One has faith, beliefs in God, a Saviour; another believes differently. What drives is the hope of a better life, of freedom from suffering and pain, of liberation into happiness. Does it matter what path one follows if love is the driver?

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

So the man is making a declaration of spiritual warfare against his fleshly desires...what's the problem?

Isn't that what Buddhists, Hindis, Taoists, Muslims, etc do that actually makes some of the followers of these 'Gods' admirable in their indomitable nature?

Best of luck to ya. Remember: The strongest spirits bend like blades of grass and never break.

quote:Originally posted by redzed:

Is this heartfelt or a parody? The last sentence is nonsensical but if you truly believe the other things it's all good http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Nah, I was making up stuff as I went along.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Is man acting against God what caused the hurricanes and floods and other natural disasters that kill thousands of people every year? Is man acting against God what causes all the diseases? God created everything, so God must have created natural disasters and diseases, bacterias, and germs.

Some people say that disease is God's way of testing people, but you go and tell a little girl that a supremely good God is testing people's faith by instilling skin cancer upon her.



Please listen. Despite your hatred for God and the things pertaining to God. To keep it simple. God is good, all GOOD things come from God. God doesn't inflict sickness or cause it. What/Who does? Sin leads to sickness/death. God came to give LIFE abundantly. Satan, the theif comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Who then causes sickness to come on those who don't have a manifested sickness of sin? SATAN. It's simple. What about those who do have a manifested sickness from allowing satan intice them, throught their flesh, into sin? If they'll repent, God will turn their life around. If they'll give their life to God, God will be their all in all. He is healer. He is redeemer. He is Father. He is Master. He is King. He is Lord. He is MINE, and I am His.

Man's attempt to explain God, and reason God, has never profitted anything. Even if you are reading this, you're possibly debating it within your head. Perhaps you've given it strong thought before, and tried again to follow God, but Satan came after your faith, and you were too weak in Him to stand. It's not by reasoning. It's by believeing. It's so easy to reason. Man reasons so much he reasons believeing. I believe. I know My God is faithful. He's never let me down. Satan attacks, but hallelujah, I stand in Him.



I'm not some 'holier than thou' religious nut. I'm a woMAN, who's greatful to have a relationship with her God.

I want to say this. The vision, the dream, it dies when you're not connected to the source from which it came. Then, you lose your purpose, and misery sets in. You look for something to take it's place. You persue, woman, men, money, love, acceptance, peace, and joy, all in different ways that cost ya. Some people are too afraid to go with God, because they know it costs the very things that took His place before you came to Him. I felt like my world was ripped apart, but I cling tighter to God, when I came to Him. It was hard for me, but when I made that decision, I made it for Good, and for God. This World has NOTHING for me.

"This world has nothing for me, I'll follow You."

I'm 19 years old. For two years I've give my life to God, and He's done so much for me. Even without all that He's done for me, I would still serve Him, because I love Him. He is my lover. He is my Father. He is my Friend. He is my everything.

Before I lived for God, when I was hurting so bad and thought no one knew or understood. When I would go to my bedroom with a razor or a knife and cut myself to feel, and have control over some part of my life, I would write, and cry and 'talk to myself', but I was talking to God. He heard me.

Do you know what it's like to love like a child, again? Do you know what it's like to think like a child, again? Do you know what it's like to not have to ever be concerned with 'being like them'? Do you know what it's like to not want to be like them, but LOVE them where they are?

People think, I don't know because I live for God, and unto God, and I'm happy, but I know. I've been there. It was miserable.

More importantly, Christ knows.

He no longer sensed the presence of God when sin was taken upon His body for you. God's presence was no longer with Him, and He cried out, "My God, why have you forsaken me?" He knew why, that for your sake, He had to go through that. I'm joined to Him in His death, burial, and resurrection, and you can be too.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

[B]God is good, all GOOD things come from God. God doesn't inflict sickness or cause it. What/Who does? Sin leads to sickness/death. God came to give LIFE abundantly. Satan, the theif comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Who then causes sickness to come on those who don't have a manifested sickness of sin? SATAN.

And who created Satan? God did. And who knows everything, therefore knowing Satan was going to rebel and cause evil, but made him anyways? God, that's who. Who has the power to stop disease? God does. You're not suggesting Satan is stronger than God, are you?

quote:It's simple. What about those who do have a manifested sickness from allowing satan intice them, throught their flesh, into sin? If they'll repent, God will turn their life around. If they'll give their life to God, God will be their all in all.

Yes, six year old girls have skin cancer because they let Satan, who God created knowing full well that he would rebel, and only need to repent to God. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Isn't God such a loving God. He loves all of humanity, but only helps those who worship him and grovel at his feet.

quote: ---

I'm cutting all of this baseless crap out of your posts. Try to keep down the mumbling praising when replying to me. And no, I hardly give god a second thought unless on this forum because to me it is self-evident that the Bible is bullshit, and I've yet to see any evidence that points to otherwise. So please, quit the preaching.

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quote:Do you know what it's like to not have to ever be concerned with 'being like them'?

Can I just say that you know nothing, and I mean nothing about me. Assuming that I am so shallow that I spend my days fretting about be like others just so they like me has offended me. Once again, quit the preaching and assumptions.

Hellz, just a bit of forewarning about the journey to move closer and closer to the One: Most of the ideas you hold about the world, most of the Christian values, most of your morals, most of your judgements in life are going to become completely invalidated by your own experience. You're going to come to rest not on the book that men claim to be God's, but by His own workings in your life, and by His guidance of your heart.

For myself, the only ideal that remains at the end of my journey, having my faith in the One stand triumphant over the trials and tribulations I have faced in this life, is that God is all forgiving, all loving, all merciful, all graceful, and never abandoning.

Him on High does not treat his believers better than non-believers; nor does he forgive them with more ease; nor does he show them love with more ease; nor does he show them grace and mercy with more ease: All that being a believer in the Mighty Spirit accomplishes for us, is an easement from the pain we've brought onto ourselves in every bit of arrogance we hold: recognizing His love for us will always ease the pain we threw ourselves into...nothing more, nothing less.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:



Him on High does not treat his believers better than non-believers; nor does he forgive them with more ease; nor does he show them love with more ease; nor does he show them grace and mercy with more ease: All that being a believer in the Mighty Spirit accomplishes for us, is an easement from the pain we've brought onto ourselves in every bit of arrogance we hold: recognizing His love for us will always ease the pain we threw ourselves into...nothing more, nothing less.

That was a good read ...

Does anyone else think HellzShellz is a remarkably inappropriate user name for someone saying all this?

quote:Originally posted by TheMessiahComplex:

Does anyone else think HellzShellz is a remarkably inappropriate user name for someone saying all this?

I know, she's an amusing poster though...

... Took me a while to get over all thr preacher stuff, but then it's plain vaguely amused sailing.

I can't really think of anything that's on topic to say ....

I love you too,

Another servant of Jesus, Truth, and Love.

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

she's

Oh I get it now.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

Way to use your free will.

God gave humans free will so that they would chose him, unlike the angels who don't have a choice. So, if she chooses to be a servant to god she's actually using her free will completely according to design.

On a different note, though, Hellz: being a living human being in the world means living amongst the human systems. Unless you want to be a nun or a missionary, or move to Utah you'll have to learn to bend and hopefully you'll find god to be understanding of these things. It's not so difficult as it sounds to be a good person even amongst all the bad in the world. Afterall, this is all gods creation and nothing in it can deter you from him.

Cheers,

Lost

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quote: Way to use your free will.

I'm actually beginning to doubt the existence of free will. I'm swaying between determinism and compatibalism.

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

I'm actually beginning to doubt the existence of free will. I'm swaying between determinism and compatibalism.

I had an interesting revelation about free will a while back, after watching The Hawking Paradox on the Discovery Science channel while stoned out of my mind.

There are an infinite number of universes which all have a determined fate in them. You do not choose what happens, rather, you choose which universe you reside in.

quote:God gave humans free will so that they would chose him, unlike the angels who don't have a choice. So, if she chooses to be a servant to god she's actually using her free will completely according to design.



No, not so that they WOULD choose him, but so that they COULD choose him.

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

I'm actually beginning to doubt the existence of free will. I'm swaying between determinism and compatibalism.

I know. The more I think of it, the more I realise I choose very little of what I do. Still, even thouhg I'm not gonna commit, I'd lean closer to compatabilism.

I also read something a while back about the brain being a quantum computer ...

But certainly , it's hard to imagine that I could change any of my behaviour without an extreme force of will, and even then that could probaly be linked back to my life so far, just follow the path of the way I was going to act....

Some month or two back I was really big in 'ego death'...I eventually realized that my ego was never dying, but I could detatch from it for periods of time. In these periods of detatchment from my ego, I felt to exist as nothing but a spirit of sorts; there was no desire, no wants, nothing. I was pure unrestricted soul. Through this 'pure' feeling, I felt like I did as a young child: a blank slate of sorts with every last option open to me, and not a single one appearing more or less valid than another. Through this, I found something to be true, for me:

Free will does certainly exist, but so does fear; fear, if we let it, will restrict our choices to a narrow walk in life. We won't compromise our jobs, our family, our status, our possessions...not because we need them, but because as humans, we fear the change associated with any path in life we could walk without them.

It becomes a matter of spiritual strength to me at this point: What trials will I personally be able to handle and push through with as much resolve as when I began my journey?

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

God gave humans free will so that they would chose him, unlike the angels who don't have a choice. So, if she chooses to be a servant to god she's actually using her free will completely according to design.

On a different note, though, Hellz: being a living human being in the world means living amongst the human systems. Unless you want to be a nun or a missionary, or move to Utah you'll have to learn to bend and hopefully you'll find god to be understanding of these things. It's not so difficult as it sounds to be a good person even amongst all the bad in the world. Afterall, this is all gods creation and nothing in it can deter you from him.

Cheers,

Lost



I'm not called to be a nun, but I am called to be a missionary. The truth is, the worst sinner and I both have one thing in common. We both need a Saviour.

**Remark on the 's/n'**

I had this name on here, before I was called back into fellowship with God. I figured it that He took me as I am. Not just that, to be HONEST, I liked the irony. I never thought I'd serve Christ EVER again, but I knew if I would, it would be with my whole heart. God knew that too, mind you. I've thought about changing it, but I figured that people shouldn't judge by appearance, rather they're a believer or not. The world's way of saying it is, "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

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