1)Can god, destroy everything and himself, then re-create the world again without himself ?

First, he will destroy everything and himself then he will create the whole system again?

if he can do this, how can it possible if he destroyed himself ? That means he couldnt destro himself. But a superpower god must do every every everything.

So, what do you say? Can he ?

2)If there is destiny and god knows the future, why he send us to this world ? For his ego ?

He knows everyting that i will do. So why didint he put me directly to hell or paradise? If he would showed himself to me on the another world and said to me "you wont believe me on the real world so you are going to hell" wouldnt i accept ?

3)

God knows everything right ?

But knowing something requires not to know the same thing before.

If you know 2+2 = 4

you mustnt know it before because you learned it.

Knowing something requires learning. So god need to learn something to know it else he cant know anything.

And learning requires time , right ?

SO time > god ?

what do you say ?

excuse for bad english =)

[This message has been edited by bilencekic (edited 11-25-2006).]

take a logic class

quote:Originally posted by bilencekic:

1)Can god, destroy everything and himself, then re-create the world again without himself ?

First, he will destroy everything and himself then he will create the whole system again?

if he can do this, how can it possible if he destroyed himself ? That means he couldnt destro himself. But a superpower god must do every every everything.

So, what do you say? Can he ?

Hi bilencekic,

By fairness i should be continuing in a thread discussion with Rust, but your thread looked lonely, with no posts (and i'm a bit burnt out), that i thought i'd help your thread out from loneliness.

a "superpower god", as you call Him, is not required to do all that He can do.

If you had the ability to run a 4 minute mile does not mean that you must move at that speed all the time.

I realize this doesnt answer your question, but that's because it is an invalid question.

quote: 2)If there is destiny and god knows the future, why he send us to this world ? For his ego ?

He knows everyting that i will do. So why didint he put me directly to hell or paradise? If he would showed himself to me on the another world and said to me "you wont believe me on the real world so you are going to hell" wouldnt i accept ?

What choice would you have, but to accept?

And maybe that is part of the reason that He didnt just toss us to our destinies.. in order that we realize, beyond a shadow of our own doubt, our own choice.

quote:

3)

God knows everything right ?

But knowing something requires not to know the same thing before.

If you know 2+2 = 4

you mustnt know it before because you learned it.

Knowing something requires learning. So god need to learn something to know it else he cant know anything.

And learning requires time , right ?

SO time > god ?

what do you say ?

excuse for bad english =)



Infinite knowledge does not require any learning. I'm pretty sure that it is not possible to add to infinity. Been a few yrs since i had any math classes though (and my wife takes care of the bills, so i dont get that much math practice http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) ) , so i could be wrong... but i would think that, if something is infinite, then it contains.



God Bless,

johnny

oops, i guess i type slow... Hi Zman.. thanks for the added "unloneliness help" of this thread.

quote: "superpower god", as you call Him, is not required to do all that He can do.

it is not about require.

Can he do or not ?

is not required to do means that, "yes he can do but it is not necessary"

right?

you accept it ?

quote:What choice would you have, but to accept?

God knows my choice right ?

if you believe and trust god you will say

"ok god, i trust you, i believe you, and you know my choice".

and if you dont believe and trust you will say

"how do you know?,just send me to the world and lets see whatwill happen"

and that trustness will be a sin i think =) and not to believe in god will send you hell rgiht ?

if you dont accept what god says , that will be a big sin and you will be on hell.

God know your choice,

if it changes by you or him, it wont be a destiny it will be something like a "my dear diary".

quote:Infinite knowledge does not require any learning.

did you proof infinity for him ?

Which infinity ?

Natural numbers are infinite righ t?

and real number infinite too.

but real number > natural number.

So which infinite ? To say this, you msut proof the infiniyt of god's knowledge and what is the infinity of him for us =).

saying him to "infinite" is a bit dangareous for your belief, what if the mean of infite changes on science? What about other infinites on math ?

Good morning bilencekic,

Let me guess, you're a hyperactive child arent you? or A.D.D. or too much sugar in your cheerios or on speed?

You arent the squirrel in 'Over the Hedge" are you?

Your first question was not answered because it is an invalid question. Zman suggested taking a logic class, i suggest lowering your caffine dose.

As for your second barrage of questions, no, not a dear diary.. you have free will. Your free will is not caused by God's omniscient foreknowledge.



Check out http://tinyurl.com/u8yp8

This site is not a direct discussion of the problem of evil vs. freewill, but if you can understand it, then i think you should be able to apply inferences.



As for third battery of questions,

my final answer, Regis, is

C.) "saying him to "infinite" is a bit dangareous for your belief"

I like to live dangerously... i even drink milk a day after the printed expiration date.



lay off the sugar dude. relax alittle. LOL

God Bless,

johnny



Edited to change "answer" to "question" and to remove those annoying bolding tags, i did that by removing the whole quote.

Crap, my goal of not needing to edit, sure has gone down the toilet.

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1. There is no god.

2. There is no god.

3. There is no god.