i dont believe in the afterlife but for you christians here

will hell be that bad?

think about it!

parties, sex with as many girls as you want, drugs,totse style humor. Ya there will be murders and shit, but your already DEAD! so you cant die again. ya it'll be a little hot but you'll get used to it

whats heaven goona be like, gay music, old hags telling you to stop swearing after every sentance, praying for all enternity, no sex unless you and your wife die at the same time. and you have to live that boring ass life for all enternity or you'll be sent to hell, sounds pretty stupid

Are you really that stupid, or is this a joke post?

no this isnt a joke!

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.

No, immature people think heaven will be like church and hell will be "fun". That is obviously retarded. Look at the words. "Hell" "Heaven"

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.



not acording to little nicky

Heaven and Hell are really dumb concepts. Even if there is a creator, I doubt there would be any afterlife. IMO

^^^^^^^^^

agreed, it makes no sense that you would live for 70 years on earth or whatever. wich is just a test, if your good you go to heaven, if your bad you burn in hell for all eternity.

so that would mean heaven and hell are the main points of existance, and the physical world is just a toybox to play in for a day or so.

if the goal is to live forevor in heaven, why would god decide to burn people for all eternity if there not good enough for his domaine? wouldnt it make more sense for the creator of the universe with unlimited power and knowladge to just kill the soal of people deemed not worthy of heaven.

Making them burn forever is something a satanic evil person would want to do, so god is a hypocrate.

also being alive for 100000000 billion years would suck ass, the human mind needs to be stimulated with new experiences, afterlife would be one fucken boring place.

so people would eventually find a way to destroy there own soal to escape the hell of being in heaven for that long. so suicide in heaven must be pretty common, and in hell

How great can heaven be if 1/3 of the angels rebelled? I mean come on, there is a war in heaven too?

I remember reading "Heaven and Hell" by Emanuel Swedenborg. In it he suggests that hell is not without it's pleasure for those who are there.

Check his book out if you are really interested.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

How great can heaven be if 1/3 of the angels rebelled? I mean come on, there is a war in heaven too? Lucifer is a man of great conviction.

I don't believe in Hell the way most people do. To get into what most people think of Hell requires more than just being a bad person. You have to know that God exists and then completely deny it and try to lead others away. Unless you get to that point (which very few people will), you won't go to Hell. People that are "bad" won't go to the highest kingdom of Heaven and be with God, but they still won't be in Hell. They'll be in a lower kingdom of Heaven where they will only have the companion of the Holy Ghost, not Jesus or God. The punishment will be knowing how much better they could have gotten. It will still, however, be better than anything on Earth.

If your a christian, you believe that if you dont follow the word of god and have jesus in your heart you go to hell.period.There is no lower kingdom with a holy ghost or w/e.You burn forever.Thats it.I have to listen to my family talk about this all the time.

Heaven and Hell are states of mind.

If you feel like shit, you're in hell.

if you feel great, you're in heaven.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.

Gay. Yet another fire and brimstone pedlar. The lake of fire was added as an afterthought in Revelations; a book of the Bible written by Paul, a confessed sadist and murderer, one which really should just be ignored. Throughout the rest of the Bible hell is just described as a place without god. And there's what hell is according to your own book you weirdos. If I go to a place with no god, quite frankly I won't care, because I live in a universe with no god anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.



the bible doesn't describe it the way you do, either. in fact, there is very little in the bible about hell or heaven. all that shit you got from dante, man.

quote:Originally posted by jb_mcbean:

Gay. Yet another fire and brimstone pedlar.

If you check out some of the threads on this page alone, you'll see that you're wrong about that and that I'm merely answering the question.

quote:Originally posted by kenwih:

the bible doesn't describe it the way you do, either. in fact, there is very little in the bible about hell or heaven. all that shit you got from dante, man.

Oh really? Below are some descriptions of Hell from the Bible. I can find a lot more if this doesn't convince you that you're wrong.

Isaiah 66:24

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.



Matthew 13:41-42

The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 18:8

And if thy hand, or thy foot, scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee to go into life maimed or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into everlasting fire.

Matthew 25:41

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.



Mark 9:42-43

And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not extinguished.

2 Thessalonians 1:9

Who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his power. . . .

Jude 1:7

As Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighburing cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

if there is such a thing as eternal damnation then god is a sadistic bastard and I don't want anything to do with his ideas of morality. i'd rather go to hell in protest than spend an eternity sucking up to a malicious bully who condones torture. stick your crappy heaven up trumped up, your prude, immaculate 50ft jaxi

^^^^^^^that just proves what i said earlier about god being a satanic douchbag

no sane person would take it upon himself to burn people for all eternity who werent good enough to be in his wonderfull world of heaven.

does god just sit up there laughing his ass off at the people burning and suffering year after year after year, for how long a million years, a billion? ya that seems pretty retarded

just another fact that fucks the whole christian beliefs completly

The nordic Hel (odd how the names are the same) rocks.

You just kinda sit there wishing you were in valhalla, until ragnarok arives and you try to kick the shit out of the forces of chaos.

not much fun, but not all that bad.

Bump, 'cause I'm tired of looking at King's stretched post.

quote:Originally posted by bitplane:

if there is such a thing as eternal damnation then god is a sadistic bastard and I don't want anything to do with his ideas of morality. i'd rather go to hell in protest than spend an eternity sucking up to a malicious bully who condones torture. stick your crappy heaven up trumped up, your prude, immaculate 50ft jaxi

I agree with you there.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7

Almost everyone is talking about hellFIRE here.. so..

Think about what would happen if you were literally burning alive here on earth. If you were burning for a long enough period of time, you would eventually burn to death and die. s

and when you die (on earth) your body turns into ash or back to dust "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

So then you ask. What happens to the soul or the the spirit?

"For the living know that they will die,

but the dead know nothing;

they have no further reward,

and even the memory of them is forgotten." -

Ecclesiastes 9:5

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4.

"because anyone who has died has been freed from sin."Romans 6:7

"For the wages of sin is death" -Romans 6:23

and to quote boozehound420

"if the goal is to live forevor in heaven, why would god decide to burn people for all eternity if there not good enough for his domaine? wouldnt it make more sense for the creator of the universe with unlimited power and knowladge to just kill the soal of people deemed not worthy of heaven.

Making them burn forever is something a satanic evil person would want to do, so god is a hypocrate."

EXACTLY

Alot of people have a hatred toward god because "Making them burn forever is something a satanic evil person would want to do, so god is a hypocrate."

But he isnt going to do this because....

"God is Love" (1 John 4:8)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind."Jeremiah 7:31

(God wouldnt even think of doing this.)



The idea of hell literally being a fiery burning place of torment came from the Etruscan civilization, among others.



Theres many more scriptures and much more detail I can go into. But I am tired. Hopefully this post has cleared up few misunderstandings.

Tyler

"Gay. Yet another fire and brimstone pedlar. The lake of fire was added as an afterthought in Revelations; a book of the Bible written by Paul, a confessed sadist and murderer, one which really should just be ignored. Throughout the rest of the Bible hell is just described as a place without god. And there's what hell is according to your own book you weirdos. If I go to a place with no god, quite frankly I won't care, because I live in a universe with no god anyway."

Please avoid falacies that can be rebuked so simply. It waistes my time reading and I cringe that you dismiss it with your current knowledge. You have not even scratched the surface.

"if there is such a thing as eternal damnation then god is a sadistic bastard and I don't want anything to do with his ideas of morality. i'd rather go to hell in protest than spend an eternity sucking up to a malicious bully who condones torture. stick your crappy heaven up trumped up, your prude, immaculate 50ft jaxi"

Come now do you think the Lord leaves us to die with no hope? If you recall it was us who got us into the current situation. Do not bring up the "if i was in that situation" theory. I know that if you or I were in that position we would have done the same thing. Adam was perfect and by choice he fell from his perfection. How then could we, the imperfect, say that we could do better? Original sin condemns us from birth because of our own actions, but the Lord does not leave us. Going to hell in protest is a mildly amusing thought because we are destined to death from birth so it would not be some choice of yours.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.



actualy if you knew old literature you would now that thats not how the bible used to describe hell.

upppintill dante wrote the divine comedy hell was a play with out god or a place absent of god ( which dosent make since this god is sulposedto be everywhere)

the divine comedy brought the description

of the firy abyss and was this way to make a better story and used to scare people to go to church

so i guess hell isent realy that bad of a place

If the play is anything like "Play it Again, Sam", then I'm worshiping Satan.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Originally posted by jb_mcbean:

Gay. Yet another fire and brimstone pedlar.

If you check out some of the threads on this page alone, you'll see that you're wrong about that and that I'm merely answering the question.

quote:Originally posted by kenwih:

the bible doesn't describe it the way you do, either. in fact, there is very little in the bible about hell or heaven. all that shit you got from dante, man.

Oh really? Below are some descriptions of Hell from the Bible. I can find a lot more if this doesn't convince you that you're wrong.

Isaiah 66:24

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.



Matthew 13:41-42

The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 18:8

And if thy hand, or thy foot, scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee to go into life maimed or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into everlasting fire.

Matthew 25:41

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.



Mark 9:42-43

And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not extinguished.

2 Thessalonians 1:9

Who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his power. . . .

Jude 1:7

As Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighburing cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.



i believe this is from the king james bible

which re wrote the older bible(taking out good parts like jesus killiing his playmates and teacher) around 1699 and dante's book was wriittingh in the 1300s soo the fire and brimstone were added to the king james

Isn't it odd that only one quote was given from the OT?

Isn't it odd that only one quote specifically used the word "hell"?

Surely you can find more verses that use the word hell instead of vague references to "fire", Martini.

I can't believe people still debate the existence of a heaven or hell.

Obviously, the point of the bible is to create a guideline for how to live a good, and honest life.

Heaven is the reward, which for some has been visualised as a place, but for anyone with half a logical brain would describe it as the knowledge, on your deathbed, that you've lived a good life.

Hell is the reverse. There, simple.

quote:Originally posted by stab:

Heaven is the reward, which for some has been visualised as a place, but for anyone with half a logical brain would describe it as the knowledge, on your deathbed, that you've lived a good life.

Hell is the reverse. There, simple.

I would add that the life you lead and the life you pass down to subsequent generations could be related to the term "everlasting".

The concept of Hell is flawed.Masochists would love hell.

quote:Originally posted by sinful_enoch:

i believe this is from the king james bible

which re wrote the older bible(taking out good parts like jesus killiing his playmates and teacher) around 1699 and dante's book was wriittingh in the 1300s soo the fire and brimstone were added to the king james

What Bible version do you think doesn't contain equal translations of the same verses?

quote:Originally posted by oc6:

Isn't it odd that only one quote was given from the OT?

Isn't it odd that only one quote specifically used the word "hell"?

Surely you can find more verses that use the word hell instead of vague references to "fire", Martini.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but yes, I can find more verses that specifically us the word "hell" and I don't see what you find vague about being cursed into everlasting fire or punishment.

I don't believe in hell myself. But I'm sure that if such a place existed, nobody would find it pleasant.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Wow. The Bible doesn't describe either Heaven or Hell the way you're envisioning it. Hell is a place of eternal suffering, burning in an everlasting lake of fire, etc. There's no mention of having a good time with sex, drugs, etc.

Thank God for his eternal wisdom in creating hell for all of those people he let commit sins.

(and don't tell me we have free choice. If "god" is perfect, then he knew what we'd do ahead of time, and by allowing it, he is just as fallible)

quote:Originally posted by oc6:

I would add that the life you lead and the life you pass down to subsequent generations could be related to the term "everlasting".

I agree oc6 http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

In hell there are like kick ass bands and fire!

quote:Originally posted by Niceguy:

The nordic Hel (odd how the names are the same) rocks.

You just kinda sit there wishing you were in valhalla, until ragnarok arives and you try to kick the shit out of the forces of chaos.

not much fun, but not all that bad.

To go to valhalla you have to die in battle. After the battle you just die for real. You do not exist. (just addeding more info)

quote:Originally posted by sinful_enoch:

i believe this is from the king james bible

which re wrote the older bible(taking out good parts like jesus killiing his playmates and teacher) around 1699 and dante's book was wriittingh in the 1300s soo the fire and brimstone were added to the king james

STOP! Desist forwith!

Your ignorance of the subject is making my brain huuuuurt!

And why the hell has no one else picked you up on this 'school boy' mistake??!

You have confused the Old Testament APOCRYPHA (http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/apocrypha.htm) with the New Testament 'Apocryphal Gospels' or 'Gnostic Gospels' (in this case, I assume, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/library/inftomb.htm).

The Old Testament Apocrypha were and are accepted by the Catholic church as 'canonical' (ie they belong in the Bible). Luther and later Protestants thought otherwise and removed them from the bible.

The NT Apocryphal gospels were never part of the 'normal' bible.Infact the 'normal' bible was put together to EXCULDE them.

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I don't believe in heaven and hell.

Have you ever read Slaughterhouse Five? The only way I can describe how I picture the "afterlife" if that's what you want to call it, is the way the Trafalmadorians see the world. Every moment, past, present, and future have always existed, are currently existing, and will always exist. I think maybe when we die, we can see any moment we please.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:



not acording to little nicky

your going to base your beliefs of heaven and hell of an adam sandler movie?

quote:Originally posted by El Coolio:

your going to base your beliefs of heaven and hell of an adam sandler movie?

your going to base your beliefs of heaven and hell of a fiction novel 2000 years old?

I'm not christian.

But I believe that the christian view of hell isnt the way its percieved my christians. I'm not going to claim to be well versed in the bible, but someone was showing me the passage about jesus' ressurection, and it said that he rose from hell. And also, if hell is a fiery place of death and destruction where you suffer, then why cant you ask for forgiveness and accept jesus into your heart -after- you die?

I think the bibles original idea of hell is to have your soul die, and basically face the aethists version of the afterlife. Only if you accept jesus can your soul be saved and granted eternal life.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

i dont believe in the afterlife but for you christians here

will hell be that bad?

think about it!

parties, sex with as many girls as you want, drugs,totse style humor. Ya there will be murders and shit, but your already DEAD! so you cant die again. ya it'll be a little hot but you'll get used to it

whats heaven goona be like, gay music, old hags telling you to stop swearing after every sentance, praying for all enternity, no sex unless you and your wife die at the same time. and you have to live that boring ass life for all enternity or you'll be sent to hell, sounds pretty stupid



Hell is a place of horrors beyond what you can ever possibly imagine.