According to the bible, if you're a good person in life you'll go to heaven, and if you're bad its right to hell for you. But it also says god forgives all sins. Wouldn't this mean that even if I was a total shit head my whole life, never did anything good for anyone, and actually went out of my way to cause harm to people, I could just say I'm sorry to god when I die and I'm in? This part always confused me.

If you meant it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you reject God, not just the idea of God, but everything he stands for(love), and worship yourself, man as god (satanism), THEN you're going to hell. That's what you want, anyway. A place completely devoid of God.

I believe it's not so much as a physical place as it is a mindset.

Oh, and there's no point in saying sorry if you don't mean it, God is ALL KNOWING.

[This message has been edited by Rizzo in a box (edited 12-08-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

God is ALL KNOWING.



So this means that god would have known I was going to sin even before I was born. Seems a bit stupid sending someone to hell when god already knew I was going to be a bad person.

quote:Originally posted by gmail:

So this means that god would have known I was going to sin even before I was born. Seems a bit stupid sending someone to hell when god already knew I was going to be a bad person.

Yes, there are an infinite number of universes with predetermined outcomes and God knows all of them.

You merely choose which one you want to be in.

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Yes, there are an infinite number of universes with predetermined outcomes and God knows all of them.

You merely choose which one you want to be in.

And with what authority do you speak on this matter?

According to the Ne Gospel, which thousands if not millions of us subscribe to, the Bible is largely myth and metaphor.

God does not judge or punish, and hell in particular is a myth.

You want an authority? How about Pope John Paul II--in 1999, he said that Hell is not a place, but a state of mind we create for ourselves when we choose to turn away from God.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

According to the Ne Gospel, which thousands if not millions of us subscribe to, the Bible is largely myth and metaphor.

God does not judge or punish, and hell in particular is a myth.

You want an authority? How about Pope John Paul II--in 1999, he said that Hell is not a place, but a state of mind we create for ourselves when we choose to turn away from God.

I don't think the bible is just myth and metaphor. There are historicaly accuarate accounts of events that occured. The metaphor is just a method of teaching "those who have ears"

It's filled with an invitation for all of us. And within it is the direction we need to follow to learn how to love the way God intended it.

What you are teaching is dangerous. If we relegate the bible to mere fairy tale then we miss the chance to know and then learn from true wisdom. It takes a humble spirit to do so.

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

What you are teaching is dangerous. If we relegate the bible to mere fairy tale then we miss the chance to know and then learn from true wisdom. It takes a humble spirit to do so.

Oh, you mean important messages like "God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is evil. Later (8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do it again because the human imagination is evil. Go figure." Hmmm.....

quote:Originally posted by Phanatic:

Oh, you mean important messages like "God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is evil. Later (8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do it again because the human imagination is evil. Go figure." Hmmm.....



You make it sound a lot more simple then it is portrayed in the bible. It was much more then the human imagination that prompted God's response.

It was a plethora of things and we are not far from meeting that same account in our day. Instead of denying the outcome of lewd Godless behavior as death try to imagine the outcome of a righteous life. That is the core difference in views.

The bible tells us that the people lived a certain way and then suffered for it. The bible then goes on to tell us that people lived another way and prospered from it.

Why do you want to believe that the outcome of bad behavior on a global scale can lead to anything good?!?

The next question is why would you blame God for His judgment when it is portrayed that the fault lies on the people? Is God bad for being right or are the people good for being wrong? Help me make sense out of the way you are thinking?

Let me guess, you are in the school of thought that believes children should not be disciplined for doing something wrong. Right?



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quote:Originally posted by Interest:

Let me guess, you are in the school of thought that believes children should not be disciplined for doing something wrong. Right?



Wrong, wrong, wrong. In fact, where I live, New Zealand, anti-smacking regulations have come into effect, and I think that this will fuck up the next generation of kids. Kids need to understand that there are consequences of their actions, and pain is a good deterrant.

By the way, morality existed a lot earlier than religion did. You talk about "lewd godless behaviour", as if religion is a guarantee of morals....you hear about that reverand, who said gays were evil, got caught with a gay partner, and cocaine? Both of which he denied of course.

Snap out of the bullshit, people.



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^^AP it wasnt cocane it was crystal meth...

and he did admit to it...

I was raised as a Baptist and they told us specifically that even if we went completely out of our way to sin throughout our entire lives, God would forgive us if we really wanted it.

Not a good way to keep church membership up if you ask me.

-NS

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

I don't think the bible is just myth and metaphor. There are historicaly accuarate accounts of events that occured. The metaphor is just a method of teaching "those who have ears"

It's filled with an invitation for all of us. And within it is the direction we need to follow to learn how to love the way God intended it.

What you are teaching is dangerous. If we relegate the bible to mere fairy tale then we miss the chance to know and then learn from true wisdom. It takes a humble spirit to do so.

What HE is teaching is dangerous?

Are you serious?

If the Bible is taken literally, there would be about 400 people left on earth. The rest would have to be killed due to their "sins"

Everyone in "MGCBTSOOYG" are people that dont know anything about the Bible or what it say or the history of it and yet they try to disregard it as fairy tales and myths(even though there are historical facts in it) and try to make it out to be contradictory by taking bs out of websites who dont know anything about context what was going on or the original language it was written in.

My advice to u ppl is to actually study it ,history,scholars(the right one there are alot of stupid ones out there) and learn all u can about it then u can come in here and act like u know what u are talking about.OK?

quote:Originally posted by nightmare syndrome:

I was raised as a Baptist and they told us specifically that even if we went completely out of our way to sin throughout our entire lives, God would forgive us if we really wanted it.

Not a good way to keep church membership up if you ask me.

-NS

Actually, that's a pretty powerful message when you don't look at it superficially

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Everyone in "MGCBTSOOYG" are people that dont know anything about the Bible or what it say or the history of it and yet they try to disregard it as fairy tales and myths(even though there are historical facts in it) and try to make it out to be contradictory by taking bs out of websites who dont know anything about context what was going on or the original language it was written in.

My advice to u ppl is to actually study it ,history,scholars(the right one there are alot of stupid ones out there) and learn all u can about it then u can come in here and act like u know what u are talking about.OK?

too christ didn't read

quote:Originally posted by Phanatic:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. In fact, where I live, New Zealand, anti-smacking regulations have come into effect, and I think that this will fuck up the next generation of kids. Kids need to understand that there are consequences of their actions, and pain is a good deterrant.

I agree- but love has to be in there somewhere.

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By the way, morality existed a lot earlier than religion did.

You are right - but the story is about people living opposed to the 'morality' of God and the consequence of doing so. Therefore, it is possible to be following a false idea that will lead to a bad thing. Agree?

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You talk about "lewd godless behaviour", as if religion is a guarantee of morals

You are putting words in my mouth. I will never say the right way is the religious way. Rules and laws aren't the way to God. Salvation is dependent on spiritual rebirth - being born again with a new heart and mind or in other words a new intent and purpose in life. Living the narrow path way of life. Religion tends to just weigh us down with all kinds of rules and regulations that negates the purpose what Jesus did for us. Which is free us from the bondage of sin and death.

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....you hear about that reverand, who said gays were evil, got caught with a gay partner, and cocaine? Both of which he denied of course.

Snap out of the bullshit, people.

I agree, this person lost his way and is found to be a false teacher by the life he lead. I'll keep saying that the truth will win at the end of the day.

Now, questions for you - what about you and your mentors in life - Have you perfected your life? What will you teach us? What are your "10 commandments" in life?



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