So I was talking to a friend of mine in World Religions class today, and we began to discuss the end of the world.

I explained that I wouldn't be suprised if the end came within the next 100 years (probably closer to 40-50 years from now) becuase of war. China, or some kind of country that has little to no water touching any part of it, would go to war over water.

Yes, just water. Everyone needs their water, and they'll be damned if they're going to give it up.

I also explained that it seems kind of doubtful that the end ISN'T near because of the insane amount of change that has gone on since 100 years ago. I can just feel the change in the air, and it doesn't feel good. It feels like a big climactic ending is upon us, and soon.

And then SHE told me that it was insane how much of that sounded like I took it from the Bible.

So Totse, I'm wondering, do any other religions explain how the end of existance will come upon us? Every day it seems to be closer to me...I don't know what it is though, it just seems like the end.

People have been predicting the end of the world since the dawn of man, and none of them have gotten it right yet.

Things change a lot, too. It was only a little while ago that WW1 and WW2 happened, and I expect there were people then claiming that all the dramatic change shows that the world shall end soon. I expect some of them even had Bible passages to back them up, since those things are pretty easy to bend.

That's not to say the end of the humanity won't happen, however, but it's not really something to waste precious time thinking about.

If you can see the change, and you can identify the patterns of change that the individual chain of events of change are residing on, then you can predict upcoming changes and their relative intensity of catalytic value.

This has been done, and most of the time, the age we are in shows up to being the age of change and the age where a great turn in humanity's potential appears.

If this is true. And if there is a possible way to identify patterns of change, and this current age is the age where change cannot come in at a higher rate, without passing a peak mark in which a new octave of total change would be experienced, essentially where a breakthrough would occur and everything would change, then the signs of this occurance would be identifyable in absolutely all aspects of life experience as we know it. At this present moment.

Start looking for the evidence in life and society, and your own experience, and you could verify for yourself, if this rings true for you.

Edit: I never believe in any "ends".

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

People have been predicting the end of the world since the dawn of man, and none of them have gotten it right yet.

Things change a lot, too. It was only a little while ago that WW1 and WW2 happened, and I expect there were people then claiming that all the dramatic change shows that the world shall end soon. I expect some of them even had Bible passages to back them up, since those things are pretty easy to bend.

That's not to say the end of the humanity won't happen, however, but it's not really something to waste precious time thinking about.

True, but I just can't shake the feeling that something HUGE is going to happen really soon.

Is preparation for the end of the world hopeless? I suppose so...

quote:Originally posted by ate:

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Edit: I never believe in any "ends".



Holy shit..."My God___" isn't a forum for fucking around...

Why didn't I come here before?

Why not believe in any ends? Anything specific or are you just a general optimistic person that chooses not to because it's a negative thought?

IMO, if there's a beginning, there's an end.

I believe in ends. But not the same one's you're believing in, and not the same way.

The aspects are different.

The best way to describe this is by using a sort of relative identifier to emotions or subjective emotional context. In this case, I do not believe in what you may call negative ends, but I do believe in positive, which to me are just called "ends".

Identifying between the two would be necessary for understand what I actually mean "subjectively", if not getting closer to understanding another's subjectivity.

What type of "end" did you have in mind?

Valhalla

quote:Originally posted by SydMorrison:

And then SHE told me that it was insane how much of that sounded like I took it from the Bible.

Actually, the things I've read in the bible sound more like what could happen when a planet experiences the death of their sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology

explains the end for a few religions

How do you know humanity will "end" because of human violence? How do you know another ice age won't come? What about some plague that wipes out all of civilization?

quote:Originally posted by 33% God:

How do you know humanity will "end" because of human violence? How do you know another ice age won't come? What about some plague that wipes out all of civilization?

That's the thing, I don't. What I'm saying is that I can't help but sense in the back of my mind that there is a HUGE change about to take place, it might be the end, or it might be a step towards the end of humanity. The whole China running out of water thing is pretty much a reasonable hypothesis for how the world COULD end.

I said that "I wouldn't be suprised" if such a thing happened, because it just seems inevitable for China/another country without water surrounding it or touching it to eventually run out of water. Looking at the trends of how much water we actually use up, and the fact that China has about a third of the world's population, I figured it reasonable.

The "Ice Age" thought and the "Plague" thought are just as valid as my guess.



quote:Originally posted by ate:

The aspects are different.

The best way to describe this is by using a sort of relative identifier to emotions or subjective emotional context. In this case, I do not believe in what you may call negative ends, but I do believe in positive, which to me are just called "ends".

Identifying between the two would be necessary for understand what I actually mean "subjectively", if not getting closer to understanding another's subjectivity.

What type of "end" did you have in mind?

I was thinking that human conflict could very well have the potential to end the world. The fact that I think it's going to happen within the next hundred years is just an educated guess to back up my point.

There's no ACTUAL way to tell the future (Unless you believe in fortune telling and/or astrology, which I do not), I'm just trying to see if this feeling in the back of my head of "the end" coming soon is accurate at all, or just plain silly.



EDIT: Sorry if this thread is turning out to be leaning towards more of a "Humanities" kind of topic.



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It would depend upon the density of human consciousness to whether they could literally rip themselves to peices, as well as their planet (which IS another situation entirely) before working together.

Watch the events.

Water is a renewable resource. As long as they have the means to purify water they're fine. No one is going to war over a watering hole in this age.

more than one un-connected/related religions/cultures have predicted the end of the world at 2013 or so...maybe 2012....forget... regardless, i wouldnt put much stock into it. A lot of people predicted teh end of the world sometime in the 19th century, and again at the millenium.... and hey, even if it is going to end soon, what can you do? nothing. enjoy life while you've got it.

quote:Originally posted by chickenpoop:

more than one un-connected/related religions/cultures have predicted the end of the world at 2013 or so...maybe 2012....forget... regardless, i wouldnt put much stock into it. A lot of people predicted teh end of the world sometime in the 19th century, and again at the millenium....



There have been people saying there was/it is the end for all of time.

People actually showing the changes in man's nature on the planet, are farther between, but still apparent in all ages of man.

quote:

and hey, even if it is going to end soon, what can you do? nothing. enjoy life while you've got it.

If you go to school, and over time the school gets really bad, people carrying guns around shooting other people, all that stuff.

Yet at the same time there was this one floor, that was absolutely perfect, nothing wrong with it, and everyone there was genius's, yet anyone could go to this floor, the only way they face the violent and primitive lower floors is if they decide to walk down there themselves and act like that.

What if one week you realized the lower floors were literally taking the foundation of the school out, and causing the whole school the collapse.

THEN, what if you realize that there was something different about the higher floors, and that, in fact the school was not collapsing, but the higher floors were in affect, taking over the whole school, and clearing out the lower floors for better students.

Would you continue spending time on the lower floors?

Or would you want to run upward, as high and as fast as you possibly could in these last two weeks?

Now.

What if when two weeks came, they didn't show, and there was another letter put out saying it would be in 100 years.

Then you spend this time messing about, and in 90 years there's a warning, and 5 years from that and so on.

Wouldn't you feel kind of bad if you just let yourself go to waste away on the lower floors, acting like that's the place you wanted to be, while there were clearly other floors, other means of learning, and other things to learn and study about the whole time you were there?

" the End" prediction is nothing more than a tactic to extend a religion's lifespan. If you hadn't noticed, many relgions have risen and fallen. Eventually they added in the end prediction to keep em going. It's amazing how people will follow the rules and stay faithful waiting the for that end that never comes.

I think people are the most adaptable animal this planet has ever seen. We even changed our own evironment to suit us. It would take something such as a meteor hitting the planet to wipe us out. And even that we could predict and prepare for.

I do however see a large war taking place within the next 25 years or so. This can be predicted by simply taking a look at social and economic problems that are really starting to escalate. Also, new countries like china are moving into a position to be a contender as a superpower. However, I don't think the war will end the world, just like none of them have. Even a nuclear apocalypse is pretty unlikely since destroying the planet doesn't seem likely. So don't worry, the end will only be for those who die in the war.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

" the End" prediction is nothing more than a tactic to extend a religion's lifespan.

This is not true.

Want to know why it's not true? I'll tell you.

It's not true, because it can both extend religion (if you're deluded), or it can utterly destroy all false followings (both science and religion), if you see it for what it truly is. Which is not something to fear, but a cycle of nature.

quote:If you hadn't noticed, many relgions have risen and fallen. Eventually they added in the end prediction to keep em going. It's amazing how people will follow the rules and stay faithful waiting the for that end that never comes.

Those are your religions then, the end time prophecies. Not anything but that. And that's all your end time prophecies extend to, religion.

Yet that's not about this, as the end isn't an end, it's a cycle. Seeing as if it truly were an end...then the religions you mentioned were actually correct.



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You're actually wrong because your basing your arguement on the idea that you know there is an end, which you don't. I don't think our end is coming anytime soon. It could be millions of years before we are exstinct, maybe never. Quite possibly we will just simply colonize space to avoid those cycles you speak of, even travel through time to avoid it indefinitely. I think the earth will have an end one day, but it doesn't mean we will. So the prophecies are just another scare tactic to keep people god fearing.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

You're actually wrong because your basing your arguement on the idea that you know there is an end, which you don't.

Work on this, in the traditional sense, there is always an end, it's impossible to continue forever.

quote: I don't think our end is coming anytime soon.

It's not "when", but "how" and "why", and what will happen during the course of changing that have been in motion since the beginning of our race.

quote: It could be millions of years before we are exstinct, maybe never.

Not likely never, not in this form.

quote: Quite possibly we will just simply colonize space to avoid those cycles you speak of,

Yes, that would be a possibility, quite "star treky" indeed.

quote: even travel through time to avoid it indefinitely.

More complex than space, but this is being done. I don't think in the way you are speaking of though.



quote: I think the earth will have an end one day, but it doesn't mean we will.

Note: The earth is currently our only home.

quote:

So the prophecies are just another scare tactic to keep people god fearing.[/B]

Not if they're correct.

Yes. Yes if they're correct.

YOu could percieve both to be true, depending on your religious stance, your scientific stance, spiritual, cultural, whatever.

The truth is, anyone could take them any amount of ways, it is up to the individual whether something like a prophecy causes fear or not, the fact is that they're here for a reason, and not all people are affected the same way.

As messed up as it might be, from where we are standing at this moment, travelling huge distances and even through time will be something we may achieve in less than 1000 years.

Wouldn't it be trippy as shit if we learned these skills and ended up going back in time to create the human race. Our race in the future may have created us in the past. So the human race could be infinitely perpetual. We may have initially spawned from nothing but since sped things up to reduce the evolutionary process. It's actually quite plausible that we created ourselves in our own image and that those alien visitations are actually us keeping things on track.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, although unlikely.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

1000 years.

Look at how fast things change over 100 years now, imagine how fast they'll change in the next 10 years.

quote:

Wouldn't it be trippy as shit if we learned these skills and ended up going back in time to create the human race. Our race in the future may have created us in the past. So the human race could be infinitely perpetual. We may have initially spawned from nothing but since sped things up to reduce the evolutionary process. It's actually quite plausible that we created ourselves in our own image and that those alien visitations are actually us keeping things on track.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, although unlikely.

You'll have clarity on this in the future.

quote:Originally posted by SydMorrison:

I'm wondering, do any other religions explain how the end of existance will come upon us? Every day it seems to be closer to me...I don't know what it is though, it just seems like the end.



You could have simply typed Apocalypse and Religion into Google for an answer so I'm going with the 'subliminal' message of your 'subconscious' and for most people, including myself, the realisation of one's mortality is often manifested in denial.

Denial has many forms but one of the most popular has been the 'apocalypse', it has been predicted thousands of times in history, the Jehovah Witnesses for example have set a date many times beginning with 1918 I think, only to see it pass and have to come up with an excuse and a new date.

All of this is a distraction from the main game, that is the realisation of our own inevitable death. Could happen at any time, could be slow could be fast, could be painless, could be painful, maybe honourable, maybe not. The ego, that is the identity we have come to think of ourselves as being, is terrified of death. Freud, I think, stated that all fear is born of the fear of death. Ironically it is the fear of death, sudden unexpected, uncontrollable death that drives many to suicide or murder(according to Gilligan - no not that Gilligan http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif), the psych hired to investigate deaths in custody), often the fear of death becomes too great and many prefer to choose a death of their own making as preferable to the unknown.

Fact is we live in the now, not some imagined future of apocalypse, and there are enough challenges to now without being concerned for tomorrow. Live each moment as though it were your last and you will see!

Peace http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

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I have a more depressing prediction.

The world won't end any time soon,

but it isn't going to get any better

either. This might be as good as it

gets.

I think you shouldnt post when you're high.

The world isnt going to end because china needs water. And its not going to end just because things are different then they were 100 years ago. The industrial age didnt trigger an apocalypse. Hell, neither did the bronze age for that matter.

And also, whoever said it...you cant go back through time. You just cant.

METEOR STRIKING 30 MINS TURN ON CNN

Whatever may come in the next 50 years is no worse than the Mongols invading Europe, the black plague or Nazi Germany attempting to take over the world. It's just business as usual...

Also, just because large scale war broke out, it would be far from the end to mankind I would predict. Either way, remember Earth is irrelevant compared to the rest of the universe, so either way everything will go on without a blink.

quote:Originally posted by Piles Of Crack:

METEOR STRIKING 30 MINS TURN ON CNN

Lol, probably got somebody.

quote:Originally posted by SydMorrison:

So I was talking to a friend of mine in World Religions class today, and we began to discuss the end of the world.

I explained that I wouldn't be suprised if the end came within the next 100 years (probably closer to 40-50 years from now) becuase of war. China, or some kind of country that has little to no water touching any part of it, would go to war over water.

Yes, just water. Everyone needs their water, and they'll be damned if they're going to give it up.

I also explained that it seems kind of doubtful that the end ISN'T near because of the insane amount of change that has gone on since 100 years ago. I can just feel the change in the air, and it doesn't feel good. It feels like a big climactic ending is upon us, and soon.

And then SHE told me that it was insane how much of that sounded like I took it from the Bible.

So Totse, I'm wondering, do any other religions explain how the end of existance will come upon us? Every day it seems to be closer to me...I don't know what it is though, it just seems like the end.

Shit, you're fucking retarded.

Pretty sure people thought that the world was going to end in the 60's/70's because the music and the kids had become very unchristian like and that that would lead to the end. I doubt it.

quote:Originally posted by SydMorrison:

So I was talking to a friend of mine in World Religions class today, and we began to discuss the end of the world.

I explained that I wouldn't be suprised if the end came within the next 100 years (probably closer to 40-50 years from now) becuase of war. China, or some kind of country that has little to no water touching any part of it, would go to war over water.

Yes, just water. Everyone needs their water, and they'll be damned if they're going to give it up.

I also explained that it seems kind of doubtful that the end ISN'T near because of the insane amount of change that has gone on since 100 years ago. I can just feel the change in the air, and it doesn't feel good. It feels like a big climactic ending is upon us, and soon.

And then SHE told me that it was insane how much of that sounded like I took it from the Bible.

So Totse, I'm wondering, do any other religions explain how the end of existance will come upon us? Every day it seems to be closer to me...I don't know what it is though, it just seems like the end.

Perhaps before your world religions class you should take a world geography class.

Don't be like the guy from the commercial who mixes up Russia with China and then pretends to trip and tear down the map.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/asia/china/map.GIF

Yes, China is touching water.

Good lord.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/

I scrolled straight down... So here....

I really hope that this automatically hyperlinks it.

my end of the world theory was that lavaos was gonna plunge the earth into a winter apocolypse in 1999 and it be me and a few straglers fighting to survive but that never happend so yah..

quote:Originally posted by Murloc:

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