"Next lets talk about Mithra. He was born of a virgin on December 25th, was called "the good shepherd" and was also called "the way, the truth and the light." He even had twelve disciples and dined at a "last supper" with them before his death on a cross. He was buried in a tomb, rose after three days and then was resurrected. He had a Eucharist which was celebrated by the eating of bread and wine"

"Krishna, who's name is suspiciously similar, was born of the virgin goddess, Devaki. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh. He had a carpenter for a father and was persecuted by a tyrant who tried to have him killed by executing thousands of infants. He was baptized in the river Ganges, worked miracles and wonders, raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind."

There are so many other pagan and Roman gods of which their lives were just stolen and used for "Jesus"

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think a lot of Christians will know this or if you are a Christian are you shocked that your religion is a miss match of parts stolen from others?

[This message has been edited by among_the_living (edited 12-24-2006).]

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

What philosophy? The moral philosophy is terrible if treated as absolute, and the "do unto others" bit had been said before be loads of people around before Jesus.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

Basing something on philosophy in SOME parts of the bible may be nice, the golden rule and such, but does that make it TRUE. No

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The philosophy that spawned the OT is such: Reality cannot be known in its entirety. What people know of reality is subjective to experience. Because of this, it is arrogant to judge others, and it is arrogant to treat anything as if it were equal to reality. Right here, you have the basis that God is the judge and that idolatry is wrong.

Now, being as most people are morons, this philosophy had to be warped into theology. The story of Adam and Eve is symbolic of free will being the source of pride - which is the source of treating our subjective knowledge as real knowledge. Through treating subjective knowledge as real, humanity sins by judging others against delusions. Various theologies meant to enforce non-judgement exist (No gods before God - don't treat your worthless creations as a god, they aren't reality; I am a jealous God, in fact, my name means Jealous; God tells the Jews that they need no King, as he is their only superior).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that fear mongering is well evident in both the OT and NT...but I find that it's entirely unrelated to the two consistent stressings of each and every book of the Bible: God Is; We are not God. The objective, that cannot be known by our subjective experiences, is God. That is the religion. The theology, the dogma, is totally useless crap that does the very thing the religion speaks against (treating ourselves as objective). Such is the reality of men; we take something good, honest, and true and use it to a wicked end.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

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The philosophy that spawned the OT is such: Reality cannot be known in its entirety. What people know of reality is subjective to experience. Because of this, it is arrogant to judge others, and it is arrogant to treat anything as if it were equal to reality. Right here, you have the basis that God is the judge and that idolatry is wrong.

Now, being as most people are morons, this philosophy had to be warped into theology. The story of Adam and Eve is symbolic of free will being the source of pride - which is the source of treating our subjective knowledge as real knowledge. Through treating subjective knowledge as real, humanity sins by judging others against delusions. Various theologies meant to enforce non-judgement exist (No gods before God - don't treat your worthless creations as a god, they aren't reality; I am a jealous God, in fact, my name means Jealous; God tells the Jews that they need no King, as he is their only superior).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that fear mongering is well evident in both the OT and NT...but I find that it's entirely unrelated to the two consistent stressings of each and every book of the Bible: God Is; We are not God. The objective, that cannot be known by our subjective experiences, is God. That is the religion. The theology, the dogma, is totally useless crap that does the very thing the religion speaks against (treating ourselves as objective). Such is the reality of men; we take something good, honest, and true and use it to a wicked end.

Philosophy isn't theology, spouting the bibles philosophical relevance or importance doesn't make the religion true, i was merely pointing out how a lot of this is copies from other sources.

quote:Originally posted by among_the_living:

Philosophy isn't theology, spouting the bibles philosophical relevance or importance doesn't make the religion true, i was merely pointing out how a lot of this is copies from other sources.

'Philosophy isn't theology' is the very point I was making. Religion is the belief that is based upon philosophy - theology is the belief based upon assimilation. The irrational qualities of an idea are present in all mainstream ideas, transforming it from a personally sought revelation (philosophy) into a thought-restricting meme (theology).

Look at all of the great philosophies of history, then look at what became of them after they went mainstream: they turned from the realm of freedom to the realm of control.

You realize, right, that theology is nothing more than reasoned discourse concerning religion, spirituality and gods?

It seems to me it's not theology you dislike, but mass, organized religion based around a school of thought (such as Calvinism) that is the outcome of theology.

If you didn't like theology, you wouldn't be in My God where people discuss things such as God's omniscience's relation with freewill, etc. etc, because that right there is theology.



[This message has been edited by Hare_Geist (edited 12-24-2006).]

isnt it kinda funny that no christians have replied?well...maybe one but you get my drift

What my point was, Christianity as a whole is based off of many other religions, they're basically being deceived by their bible and such into thinking this is the one true faith and they will all be saved...when in fact they may as well worship any number of other things and still have the same story.

This isn't a theology Vs Philosophy debate, its a thread stating how Christianity as a whole is fake.

Faith evolves like everything else.

quote:Originally posted by yango wango:

Faith evolves like everything else.

But copying someone else's religion, or the time line of someone else's life for YOUR prophet doesn't make yours any truer than theirs.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

You realize, right, that theology is nothing more than reasoned discourse concerning religion, spirituality and gods?

It seems to me it's not theology you dislike, but mass, organized religion based around a school of thought (such as Calvinism) that is the outcome of theology.

If you didn't like theology, you wouldn't be in My God where people discuss things such as God's omniscience's relation with freewill, etc. etc, because that right there is theology.



Theology is not reasoned discourse. Theology is imaginary attributes of imaginary friends for people living in imaginary worlds. It's a detraction from reasoned discourse.

And I do like theology; I like it in much the same way I like fiction, for you see, they are one in the same.

Hex, just a quick curiosity. Are you actually in any way Christian? I seem to remember you being either athiest or Asatruar.

I'm glad most of the world is Christian. We can exterminate muslims easier now.

Pagan orgies in the woods for the motherfucking win. Feast of Lupricis>Valentines day.

I've learned a lot about how Christianity and Pagans are similar. But you always have to question any information that people put out there. Check out this page for some good questioning of the Mithra and Jesus similarities. http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

Scroll about half way down to get to the point.



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quote:Originally posted by NlghtVlsion:

Pagan orgies in the woods for the motherfucking win. Feast of Lupricis>Valentines day.

Fuck yes!

But more on topic, does it really matter? Christians are happy because they think that the holidays are theirs, and Pagans are happy because we get days off work that almost correspond to our own holidays.

The double new years kind of annoy me, though, no one ever counts down with me on Samhain...

Yeh I get what you mean...

But I don't think it's "copying" exactly, mearly integrating beliefs into a system of control...to make it even more water-tight in it's control of man.

The thing that this thread made me think was the choice of "Adam and Eve", in choosing to "expand consciousness" through what they ate, they took a different path into reality, and you can argue on and on about what that is in relation to God, but esentially it's where we are now. I guess I view the story as a myth so ingrained in humanity, because...well, maybe it's what gave us conscious thought?

Did you know the Thorn-Apple is what Adam and Eve supposedly eat? The plant containing Datura, a delirient and hallucinogen, something which opens new realms. Terence Mckenna speculated this change in consciousness what from eating hallucinogenic mushrooms. Others have argued other plants, or things...

Anyway, we unlocked the power of our imagination, and sure as hell all cultures have realised that, and ingraied it into mythology, and philosophy, and religion.

Christianity is no exception, and it definatly emmerged through this almost worldwide idea of defying death, and a "great man" either being born, or appearing to mankind.

This thread died at Hex's first post, which shattered the op's question pretty much.

Does anyone have credible sources that confirm/explain what the OP is saying?

(not so that I can argue, but for my personal spiritual development)

*converts to christianity*

*rapes paganism*

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Hex, just a quick curiosity. Are you actually in any way Christian? I seem to remember you being either athiest or Asatruar.

Pantheist - dabbled in Asatru for a year or two before I developed my own view.