i'm doing some research on the death penalty and i came across this list this is all compilied from the old testament



Crimes that deserved the death in the Old Testament

According to Numb 35:31 there are criminals which "deserves to die". In the Old Testament the following crimes deserved the death penalty:

1. Murder (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21).

2. Abuse of father or mother (Ex 21:15).

3. Speaking a curse over parents (Ex 21:17).

4. Blasphemy against God (Lev 24:14-16,23).

5. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).

6. Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).

7. Fortune telling and practicing sorcery (Lev 20:27).

8. Religious people who mislead others to fall away (Deut 13:1-5, 18:20).

9. Adultery and fornication (Lev 20:10-12, Deut 22:22).

10. If a woman has intercourse before marriage (Deut 22:20-21).

11. If two people have intercourse when one of them is engaged. (Deut 22:23-24).

12. The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (Lev 21:9).

13. Rape of someone who is engaged (Deut 22:25).

14. Having intercourse with animals (Ex 22:19).

15. Worshipping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).

16. Incest (Lev 20:11-12, 14, 19-21).

17. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13).

18. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16).

19. To bear false testimony at a trial (Deut 19:16, 19).

20. Contempt of court (Deut 17:8-13).

The manner of execution in the Old Testament could be stoning, burning, using a sword, spear or arrow (Lev 20:27, 21:9, Ex 19:13, 32:27, Numb 25:7-8).

i dont think there is a goverment today that is so strict to put someone to death for these acts, yet god just commanded they be killed for even straying from worshipping him. thus proof that hes a egotistic bitch

It is a lot easier to ask why an omnipotent deity wants to be worshiped in the first place.

quote:Originally posted by Red Raven:

It is a lot easier to ask why an omnipotent deity wants to be worshiped in the first place.

even omnipotent dietys get lonely :>

Nice "Proof".

Perhaps God thought that this would be the best way for us to be happy. That it would promote the greatest happiness amongst the people. It could be that God thought he was working for the best interest for us.

Or perhaps neither of us have really used any strong logic and we're inducting our answers. We don't know anything about God, not personally. The only way I think wither of us could really know anything personally about God would be through Faith. And even then it would be so personal as to be almost inexplicable to anyone else.

Or perhaps I should leave now.... .

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

Nice "Proof".

Perhaps God thought that this would be the best way for us to be happy. That it would promote the greatest happiness amongst the people. It could be that God thought he was working for the best interest for us.

Or perhaps neither of us have really used any strong logic and we're inducting our answers. We don't know anything about God, not personally. The only way I think wither of us could really know anything personally about God would be through Faith. And even then it would be so personal as to be almost inexplicable to anyone else.

Or perhaps I should leave now.... .



We can know what is morally correct based on looking at humans and how they work.

Humans avoid pain and harm by nature, so therefore, causing unnecessary harm is immoral. That's all it comes down to.

So, in that way, every action has a moral absolute - although in some cases, situations can become very very complicated and it's really hard to determine what causes the least unnecessary harm.

But at the same time, it means that things like not having sex before marriage, honoring the sabbath, and other cultural things, are only considered moral in relation to that culture. In that sense, there is such a thing as moral relativism, but only in regard to things that don't cause harm and that don't really matter.

Hmm. Good job looking up all those verses. Too bad you forgot these:

Exodus 20:5

"...I thy Lord am a jealous God..."

Dammit, that's all I can find ATM. Basically, anyone who's read the bible will realize that God makes it all too clear he's far above us puny humans. So, this thread = stating the obvious.

Unfortunately, the above claims are made false when the New Testament comes into the question. Christians believe all sins are forgiven in the New Testament, and since they believe Christ died for their sins, they no longer have to die for those sins listed above.

quote:Originally posted by Red Raven:

It is a lot easier to ask why an omnipotent deity wants to be worshiped in the first place.

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

Nice "Proof".

Perhaps God thought that this would be the best way for us to be happy. That it would promote the greatest happiness amongst the people. It could be that God thought he was working for the best interest for us.

Or perhaps I should leave now.... .

If god should "think" about what makes us happy, then he is not perfect.

Personally, I like to think of god as a kid with an ant farm.

quote:Originally posted by VolatileShiftInPersona:

Unfortunately, the above claims are made false when the New Testament comes into the question. Christians believe all sins are forgiven in the New Testament, and since they believe Christ died for their sins, they no longer have to die for those sins listed above.

It''s too abd god made all those mistakes to begin with, that he had to kill another person to "clear our sins" that he created/allowed us to have in the first place. God Sucks.

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

Humans avoid pain and harm by nature, so therefore, causing unnecessary harm is immoral. That's all it comes down to.

How does that prove anything? Who is to define "unnecessary harm"?

The God in the OT is not the God in the NT.

So really, it's the Jewish God.

Although not really even that, as the OT has been fucked beyond repair.

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Niether of them make any sense anyway

old testament is before jesus, new is after.... god didnt tell them go on a fucking killing spree to those that piss me off.... and yes, I know god is perfect, and all of you that say "well if he is perfect how come he did (insert name of shit here)" heres why, HE IS PERFECT.... perfect people dont have to justify their actions to peons like you all....

quote:Originally posted by Spike Spiegel:

If god should "think" about what makes us happy, then he is not perfect.

Personally, I like to think of god as a kid with an ant farm.



If God didn't think he wouldn't be a personal being, he wouldn't be the God that answers prayers, that we can turn to for comfort. God would be a Fucking-Huge-Ethereal-Cosmo Rock.

A probalem that has been bugging me for a long time is that people refuse God a true personality. When described as perfect people ascribe him the same personal nuances as a brick. It also refuses him any Free Will. Surely the greatest being in the universe might be able to decide things.

Would you accept the definition that perfect is the best that something can get? If so wouldn't you say that something that can think is better than something that cannot think? Would you say that a Human is better than a Rock because they can reason? Because they can affect the world around them? And if the virtue of being a "person", as in a thinking, feeling being, surely the most perfect being would have a strong personality.

I feel that to prevent God from being a "Person" is to refuse what God is supposed to be.



And to use your anaolgy of a boy with an Ant Farm. Don't boys grow up? I hate to use a clique (I feel like some dumbass thinking the bible means something, but it explains my point more eloquently than I can.) but: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things"

In this way couldn't God himself be growing with us? Knowledge doesn't mean understanding, God may not have truly understood what he has done wrong, and he's tried to fix it once he understood his faults.

Personally, if God does exist , I feel he would deserve OUR sympathy.

For answers to many of the above questions, see the thread I just posted on "Biblical contradictions."

(sprains shoulder patting self on back)

God is dead... and here's the body to prove it... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

LOL I love that show!!!

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

For answers to many of the above questions, see the thread I just posted on "Biblical contradictions."

(sprains shoulder patting self on back)

No offence, but it wasn't a very impressive post.

I agree but can I also say why i think God has confidence issues

So he just decides to put these dinosaur bones in the ground and gives all this evidence of evolution to see who really really really without any reason believes him over all this evidence for something to the contrary.

Sitting up in the clouds just like "Man people really do love me, this was a great plan, I feel really good about my self now"

So I do believe in god, but I don't understand why people can't believe in god and evolution I do.

So I'm going to say something really unintelligent just because its like the easiest way for this to make any sense

Okay well scientists can grow life correct, like cells, but know one scientist or many scientists could keep this project going for millions of year, but pretend this god has all the time in the world.

Why couldn't he theoretically just started a planet and sorta just watched over it implemented a few things and BAM.

Okay that was dumb but whatever.

ALSO .... read this article that was like the difference of eyes shows intelligent design because only god could make such small changes

I WAS SHOCKED. That is proof of evolution. It was like owls eyes are different but similar to humans that shows that god intelligently designed all living organisms the same.

I was so shocked

_______

In summary, I believe that the christian god seems power hungry with confidence issues

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

Nice "Proof".

Perhaps God thought that this would be the best way for us to be happy. That it would promote the greatest happiness amongst the people. It could be that God thought he was working for the best interest for us.

Or perhaps neither of us have really used any strong logic and we're inducting our answers. We don't know anything about God, not personally. The only way I think wither of us could really know anything personally about God would be through Faith. And even then it would be so personal as to be almost inexplicable to anyone else.

Or perhaps I should leave now.... .

You cannot "know" anything through faith. Faith is a complete denial of knowledge and proof, in favor of the fulfillment of some emotional want. It is for this reason that you can, however, "feel" something through faith.

One wants god to be real, therefore, in the face of all logical arguments hitherto submitted, one has faith in his (or 'its') existence.

It is impossible to dissect a body of facts concerning the existence of god, as such a body could consist only of conjecture, feelings, alot of false science.

True, as humans possessing primitve bicameral brains, it is impossible for us to determine the nature of god based on our sensory percpetions. However, I believe that the theoretical sciences will soon have something to say about all of this.

I'm not even going to touch the moral sentiments you've mentioned. Asceticism = Happiness, my ass.

quote:Originally posted by 2k5:

old testament is before jesus, new is after.... god didnt tell them go on a fucking killing spree to those that piss me off.... and yes, I know god is perfect, and all of you that say "well if he is perfect how come he did (insert name of shit here)" heres why, HE IS PERFECT.... perfect people dont have to justify their actions to peons like you all....



so he is perfect...because he is perfect?



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quote:Originally posted by kenwih:

so he is perfect...because he is perfect?



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reading comp 101

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"well if he is perfect how come he did (insert name of shit here)"

heres why, HE IS PERFECT

****

That doesn't say he's perfect because he's perfect.

It says because he's perfect, (insert name of shit here) can't be used to argue against said perfection.

damn now the word perfect looks all wierd to me, like it's not even a word anymore

quote:Originally posted by Crippled Lucifer:

You cannot "know" anything through faith. Faith is a complete denial of knowledge and proof, in favor of the fulfillment of some emotional want. It is for this reason that you can, however, "feel" something through faith.

That's sort of what I was aiming at. Although I wouldn't portray faith so negatively. I'm not saying that faith gives you a universal Truth. I'm not saying that Faith makes something real. I was saying that faith can mean something to an individual, it can mean a LOT to an individual.



One wants god to be real, therefore, in the face of all logical arguments hitherto submitted, one has faith in his (or 'its') existence.

And there are those that attempt to argue back. However, the whole point is that in most of these arguments you have to take a "leap of faith" in the first place. You can't convince a non-believer with these arguments, just as you can't convince a believer that they are wrong.

You could say that because arguments against god seem to require less assumptions that they are more valid.

It is impossible to dissect a body of facts concerning the existence of god, as such a body could consist only of conjecture, feelings, alot of false science.

More or less. Isn't that what happens on this board all the time http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

This is what I meant when I said about faith. Faith is personal. This is why I'm so hesitant when talking about my own interpretations of anything. I read the Bible and I see metaphor. I see a literature text. And my vision of it seems to be far more hopeful than anyone else, far more liberal. Yet how many quite happily twist it to fit something else.

In other words. Yes. Any kind of conjecture on God is not a reflection on God but the Person.

True, as humans possessing primitve bicameral brains, it is impossible for us to determine the nature of god based on our sensory percpetions. However, I believe that the theoretical sciences will soon have something to say about all of this.

I agree with that.

I'm not even going to touch the moral sentiments you've mentioned. Asceticism = Happiness, my ass.

Umm... I wasn't aware of that. Where did I touch on Asceticism?

Not that I really disagree with the idea in principle. But it isn't really all that practical. Still, I think it would do people some good if they were able to lessen the value they attach to worldly goods.

I agree with the old testament.

OP: You're observations are correct IMO.

Do I still believe in God? Yes.

The "Christian God"? Not really.

quote:Originally posted by Pyroyoshi:

i'm doing some research on the death penalty and i came across this list this is all compilied from the old testament



Crimes that deserved the death in the Old Testament

According to Numb 35:31 there are criminals which "deserves to die". In the Old Testament the following crimes deserved the death penalty:

I am an athiest/humanist that has extensive knowledge of two religions; christianity and islam.

The above "deserving death" was referring to the after-life ie: hell. In other words they deserve death by "god's" standards, not men.

On the other hand if you want to know about an egotistic power hungry god you should do some research on islam.



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quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

I am an athiest/humanist that has extensive knowledge of two religions; christianity and islam.

The above "deserving death" was referring to the after-life ie: hell. In other words they deserve death by "god's" standards, not men.

On the other hand if you want to know about an egotistic power hungry god you should do some research on islam.





Egosistic I cna accept, Allah seems to be a bit too into himself. Somtimes modesty will get you more praise than bravado.

Still, Allah insists that he is the God of Judaism and Christianity... So there could be something about God right there.

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

If God didn't think he wouldn't be a personal being, he wouldn't be the God that answers prayers, that we can turn to for comfort. God would be a Fucking-Huge-Ethereal-Cosmo Rock.

What a shame we have to pray to him for HIS mistakes in the first place. If he did not want sin, then he shouldn't have created it.

quote:

A probalem that has been bugging me for a long time is that people refuse God a true personality. When described as perfect people ascribe him the same personal nuances as a brick. It also refuses him any Free Will. Surely the greatest being in the universe might be able to decide things.



What you are saying is that god has feelings and free will, making him almost human, and fallible.

quote:

Would you accept the definition that perfect is the best that something can get? If so wouldn't you say that something that can think is better than something that cannot think? Would you say that a Human is better than a Rock because they can reason? Because they can affect the world around them? And if the virtue of being a "person", as in a thinking, feeling being, surely the most perfect being would have a strong personality.



Nope. Man is a illogical, fallible, nonsensical, dangerous, and ignorant mammal, and if only "thought" could turn our already fallible existence around, then we should have been like that in the first place.

See: Medieval Ages, Pain, Agony, Suffering, absence of a god.

If this is indeed works of god, then I want nothing of it.

quote:

I feel that to prevent God from being a "Person" is to refuse what God is supposed to be.



And that is...

quote:

And to use your anaolgy of a boy with an Ant Farm. Don't boys grow up? I hate to use a clique (I feel like some dumbass thinking the bible means something, but it explains my point more eloquently than I can.) but: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things"



It's a shame god was an imperfect child at one point. But to believe that he will "grow up" to "mature" doesn't get away from the fact that at one point in his existence, he was imperfect, and immature, making his being "imperfect".

quote:

In this way couldn't God himself be growing with us? Knowledge doesn't mean understanding, God may not have truly understood what he has done wrong, and he's tried to fix it once he understood his faults.



Then he is wrong in his decisions making him....imperfect http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:

Personally, if God does exist , I feel he would deserve OUR sympathy.

I would feel bad for him, but not forgive him for his mistakes. If he is all powerful, then he could end it all right now, and have us all live in peace, and prosperity, but no. He instead takes a magnifying glass and looks in on us as we kill ourselves trying to convince one another of his thoughts, decisions, and moralities. How. Sad.

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

That's sort of what I was aiming at. Although I wouldn't portray faith so negatively. I'm not saying that faith gives you a universal Truth. I'm not saying that Faith makes something real. I was saying that faith can mean something to an individual, it can mean a LOT to an individual.

Yes, this is what leads to wars my friend. Believing in something you cannot prove or build proof upon makes you need to believe it's existence or not, and those who do, usually need that crutch for emotional / psychological support. Something they can rely on when everything else fails. A meaning to their lives. Ultimately, this leads to violence.

Which makes me question religion all the more.

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quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

Egosistic I cna accept, Allah seems to be a bit too into himself. Somtimes modesty will get you more praise than bravado.

Still, Allah insists that he is the God of Judaism and Christianity... So there could be something about God right there.

Yeah muhammadinsisted that from the start so he could claim "prophethood" to jews and christians. They blew him off seeing right through his idiotic charade so muhammad changes his quibla (direction of prayer) from where the jews faced (jerusalem) to mecca. Such is the quality of man this muhammad was.

Now back to the subject of Alla: Alla describes himself as a great deciever, one that loves to kill, torture, and maim. And Alla has many verses in the quran where he maniachly revels in torturing people. Heres a great example:

quote:Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for them is Hell and the Flaming Fire! Those [Jews] who disbelieve Our Revelations shall be cast into Hell. When their skin is burnt up and singed, We shall give them a new coat that they may go on tasting the agony of punishment."



Muhammad may have wanted Christians and jews to believe Alla was their god but his description mirrors the judeo-christian satan.

Gods and prophets are imagined (fine, are) to fit the target audience. This is why Greek and Roman gods were physically attractive - they thought that the human shape is perfect and sexy in every way. The judaiochristian god is described anything from benevolent and all loving to jealous and hateful depending on the person who wrote about him. The Beowulf christian allegory describes a superman, because that's what the barbarians looked to worship. All of these gods and/or prophets can be considered mean assholes by today's standards. If you started following jesus out loud without invoking his name, everyone will call you a communist.

What a shame we have to pray to him for HIS mistakes in the first place. If he did not want sin, then he shouldn't have created it.

God did not create sin. Sin is the byproduct of the knowledge of good and evil. We can see in Genesis that prior to eating from the tree that would grant knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve had no conception of their nakedness. They were'nt aware of good and evil. They were people, but they weren't people as we understand it. God himself is reported to say, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil".

God did not have to place the tree in the Garden. He did not have to make it possible for us to become like him. But he left the possibility there. He let mankind choose free-will. With the knowledge of good and evil comes free-will. Prior to eating mankind could not have sinned because they did not know right from wrong. Sin is not a created thing.

I've lost my thread there.... I'll move on....

What you are saying is that god has feelings and free will, making him almost human, and fallible.

Of course God should have feelings and Free-will. He has knowledge of Good and Evil as we do, he has had knowledge of Good and Evil for apparently a pretty long time.

I would phrase it the other way round, that Humankind is almost Godlike. And perhaps the idea of perfection is in itself flawed. Maybe fallibility is part of Perfection. I don't know , I'm arguing semantics here, which is a blackhole that we could never escape from, but I still find that my idea of Perfection is differant to most peoples. Most people define perfection more the way I would define some kind of force, like gravity. I feel that perfection in context with a being should allow the possibility for mistake, for improvement and growth. I feel that something that is static is perfect only in that it is pure, I feel that Growth is a virtue in and of itself. Perhaps one of the greatest virtues.

Still. I offer little of any real substance here. So my apologies. I'm really just rambling for the sake of it.

Nope. Man is a illogical, fallible, nonsensical, dangerous, and ignorant mammal, and if only "thought" could turn our already fallible existence around, then we should have been like that in the first place.

But surely thought can make thngs better? I find that my own thought patterns make a me a generally happy person... Almsot irritatingly so I would guess. And I see other people putting way too much thought into things that are so easily shrugged off.

However, I can see the validity in your argument. If we could have been made to think well and happily all the time , why were'nt we? The only answer I can give is, once again, opinion. I feel that this could quite possibly be the best way for us to grow. Still, I'm sure that my ideas are'nt very well supported in most christian communities and anyone arguing against god probaly see my ideas as a cop out. I can offer no defence than to say: Hell. It's easier this way.



See: Medieval Ages, Pain, Agony, Suffering, absence of a god.

If this is indeed works of god, then I want nothing of it.

They often seem to be the works of man. I've never heard tell of God personally coming down and giving someone a bitchslap ... Well.. not much anyway.

But... If God personally performed all of that... Then I would want nothing to with him either.



And that is...

That God is not just some object. God , to me, seems to need to be a "person".



It's a shame god was an imperfect child at one point. But to believe that he will "grow up" to "mature" doesn't get away from the fact that at one point in his existence, he was imperfect, and immature, making his being "imperfect".

Then he is wrong in his decisions making him....imperfect

Once again , the only thing I can offer is an argument of semantics. I feel that growth in itself is good, that God's personal growth serves only to increase the good, just as everyones growth does. I think that as we grow we can become more empathetic, and so more good. When we seek to understand others we become greater.

Still, it's far more likely to assume that shit happens , and that there's no God and that we're just floating around on a rock ....

Works for me.

quote:Originally posted by Spike Spiegel:

Yes, this is what leads to wars my friend. Believing in something you cannot prove or build proof upon makes you need to believe it's existence or not, and those who do, usually need that crutch for emotional / psychological support.

I can't agree with that. I will agree that in Some circumstances war will be an outcome. But Faith is not Evil in itself.

And what is wrong with an idea as a comfort blanket? What's wrong with and emotional and psychological support. I gain these things from friends and family. I gain these things from being alive in general. May as well say that friends, family and life in general lead to wars. Which I ,unfourtunately, find all to plausible.



Something they can rely on when everything else fails. A meaning to their lives. Ultimately, this leads to violence.

Why? Why does meaning lead to suffering and pain? Would you say that every existentialist is inherently violent? I fail to understand how finding a meaning to life neccesarily leads to violence.

Which makes me question religion all the more.



Shouldn't it make you question everything more? If meaning is inherently negative, then surely anyone who has a belief of anykind, or holds a meaning to life in anyway, should be inherently negative.



... or something.

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:



That doesn't say he's perfect because he's perfect.

It most certainly fucking does.

He, in essence, said,

"heres why, HE IS PERFECT... because he's perfect". That's circular logic.

The whole sentence:

"heres why, HE IS PERFECT.... perfect people dont have to justify their actions to peons like you all...."

At soon as he says "perfect people" he is automatically assuming that he is perfect, and is using that to argue perfection.

Reading 101 indeed.

No

heh

The question is "If he's perfect, why does (this) happen?"

The answer that is sought is a "perfect" answer. Why a perfect being would do something like this. But when you take into account the fact that he's perfect (which must be assumed/Admitted for the q to be answered) 2k5 was saying that along with perfection comes the removal of an obligation to have one's actions explained. Authority.

He does not say "Here's why he is perfect.. because he's perfect."

There's a comma.

"heres why, HE IS PERFECT.... perfect people dont have to justify their actions to peons like you all...."

Here's why ((such a thing happens, not why he's perfect)), BECAUSE HE'S PERFECT, and doesn't have to justify it.

*****

"At soon as he says "perfect people" he is automatically assuming that he is perfect"

*****

Wrong. The assumption is supposed to be made, meant to be assumed as true from the start, because the original q is "If he is perfect, how come he did (whatever)"

*It's not arguing perfection; it's refusing to give a reason such a thing would occur under a perfect being's rule.

*It's not proving He's perfect; it's following the the already-admitted Perfection to the conclusion of "Hey.. you don't need to know." Confusing or injecting Perfection with Ultimate Authority (though a perfect being might be EXPECTED to listen and explain, in other/these/?any? circumstances).

EDIT: Great. Now the word "perfect" sounds wierd as well. Per. Fect. Perfect. Wierd.

and

Is there such a thing as perfection, anyway? I think it's relative, like almost everything else. Perfection for a certain situation, or way of thinking.



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only retarded umpa lumpas take everything the bible says literally as opposed to just fucking learning from it. Geez, the idiocy.

Did you just copy and paste all of that from some other website? I'm not disputing any of those qoutes, but how do you know that website isn't skewing them? How do you know it's even qouting them properly? You don't. It's just another example of blind faith.

Cheers,

Lost

When I read the title I saw "christian rock is an esoteric punk bitch"

I think I need sleep

who is the god of the christians anyway?



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quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Did you just copy and paste all of that from some other website? I'm not disputing any of those qoutes, but how do you know that website isn't skewing them? How do you know it's even qouting them properly? You don't. It's just another example of blind faith.

Cheers,

Lost

i've been in christian schools for about 9 years i'm preety familiar with the bible, so i can tell if the website is skewing them

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Did you just copy and paste all of that from some other website? I'm not disputing any of those qoutes, but how do you know that website isn't skewing them? How do you know it's even qouting them properly? You don't. It's just another example of blind faith.

Cheers,

Lost



I am

so

so

so

sorry to ask this

but

who are you talking to

and

what quotes are you talking about?

because

without anything

i don't know

too bad you used some old book full of bullshit

that is if you mean christ-ian, based off of christ.

christendom has totally bastardized the idea of christianity.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ ?

this isnt news to me

God didn't write the old testament, man did. Pretty simple.

quote:Originally posted by Pyroyoshi:

even omnipotent dietys get lonely :>

I agree.

I should know.

When you think back though, most of those were death deserving punishments anyway. Don't forget, this was made thousands of thousands of years ago. Maybe today we say its terrible, but back then everything was like that.

quote:Originally posted by Pyroyoshi:

even omnipotent dietys get lonely :>

so true http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

OId testament God: barbarian dickhead

New testament God: Mild mannered and ascetic, like that one bum that sits at your usual bus stop every day.

or something.

there is no proof that the bible is the word of god... No hard sceintific proof anyways. So, your argument is pretty paper thin.