Can God create a rock so huge that even he can't lift it?

Yes.

Really man, look at every other post. There have been so many like this, skim down this page and the next.

oh im sorry

"On this rock I will build my church."

That kind of rock?

The question doesn't actually make sense because you are comparing Gods omnipotence against Gods omnipotence.

So what you are really asking is this:

"Is Gods power greater than Gods power?"

If God is omniscient then there is nothing greater than its power and comparing God to God doesn't make sense.

quote:Originally posted by Daz:

The question doesn't actually make sense because you are comparing Gods omnipotence against Gods omnipotence.

So what you are really asking is this:

"Is Gods power greater than Gods power?"

If God is omniscient then there is nothing greater than its power and comparing God to God doesn't make sense.

Yes. I couldn't have put it better myself. I am disappointed that atheists still use that "evidence" to try to disprove the existence of god. It has the same validity as using the explosion in a junkyard model to disprove evolution.

This forum is fucking useless. No matter how many times I explain this is a valid question people post the exact same shit the next time the thread comes up.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

This forum is fucking useless. No matter how many times I explain this is a valid question people post the exact same shit the next time the thread comes up.

Do enlighten me on how it is valid?

"Nigel: No, you've seen enough of that one. This is a top to a, you know, what we use on earth, but it's very...very special because if you can see...

Marty: Yeah...

Nigel: ...the commandments all go to eleven. Look...right across the rock slab.

Marty: Ahh...oh, I see....

Nigel: Eleven...eleven...eleven....

Marty: ..and most of these commandments go up to ten....

Nigel: Exactly.

Marty: Does that mean it's...more blessed? Is it any more blessed?

Nigel: Well, it's one more blessed, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most...most blokes, you know, will be praying at ten. You're on ten here...all the way up...all the way up....

Marty: Yeah....

Nigel: ...all the way up. You're on ten in your bible...where can you go from there? Where?

Marty: I don't know....

Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is if we need that extra.. push over the cliff...you know what we do?

Marty: Put it up to eleven.

Nigel: Eleven. Exactly. One more blessed.

Marty: Why don't you just make ten more holy and make ten be the top... number... and make that a little more blessed?

Nigel: These go to eleven."

quote:Originally posted by Lamabot:

Do enlighten me on how it is valid?

Is that a question? http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

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[This message has been edited by Twisted_Ferret (edited 01-10-2007).]

Assuming god exists, let's look at the differences between it and us.

It would be, I assume, unimaginably vast and infinitely incomprehensible to us.

Bearing that in mind my answer would be, yes, god could create a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it, but he can lift it.

quote:Originally posted by 1217:



Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...

Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?

Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.

Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?

Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?

Marty DiBergi: I don't know.

Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?

Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.

Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.

Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?

Nigel Tufnel: These go to eleven.

Fixed. Srsly.

quote:Originally posted by CatharticWeek:



Assuming god exists, let's look at the differences between it and us.

It would be, I assume, unimaginably vast and infinitely incomprehensible to us.

Bearing that in mind my answer would be, yes, god could create a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it, but he can lift it.

If he can lift it, it's not a rock he can't lift. Duh.

quote:Originally posted by 1217:

"Nigel: No, you've seen enough of that one. This is a top to a, you know, what we use on earth, but it's very...very special because if you can see...

Marty: Yeah...

Nigel: ...the commandments all go to eleven. Look...right across the rock slab.

Marty: Ahh...oh, I see....

Nigel: Eleven...eleven...eleven....

Marty: ..and most of these commandments go up to ten....

Nigel: Exactly.

Marty: Does that mean it's...more blessed? Is it any more blessed?

Nigel: Well, it's one more blessed, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most...most blokes, you know, will be praying at ten. You're on ten here...all the way up...all the way up....

Marty: Yeah....

Nigel: ...all the way up. You're on ten in your bible...where can you go from there? Where?

Marty: I don't know....

Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is if we need that extra.. push over the cliff...you know what we do?

Marty: Put it up to eleven.

Nigel: Eleven. Exactly. One more blessed.

Marty: Why don't you just make ten more holy and make ten be the top... number... and make that a little more blessed?

Nigel: These go to eleven."

rofl

fuck yes

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

If he can lift it, it's not a rock he can't lift. Duh.

Read the countless other threads about this very problem

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

quote:Originally posted by Generic Box Of Cookies:

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

Can God pack a bowl so fat he can not hit it?

I THINK NOT!

Either way, God doesn't "do" anything, he just IS.

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:



Either way, God doesn't "do" anything, he just IS made up.

Fixed.

It's a play on words.

Let's try to be more specific.

Can god do something that limits his own powers? Yes.

Can god violate the limits he set upon himself? Yes.

I see no contradiction.

You do it first and then you ask God to do it

quote:Originally posted by Dre Crabbe:

If he can lift it, it's not a rock he can't lift. Duh.

If he's God, he has infinite power. Including the power to solve a paradox. Because he's god.

quote:Originally posted by CatharticWeek:

If he's God, he has infinite power. Including the power to solve a paradox. Because he's god.



Basically. He can choose to violate any rules he decides to create. I have a strong suspicion that everything is God, and in some sense, god is the rock.

quote:Originally posted by purplekhanabooze:



Basically. He can choose to violate any rules he decides to create. I have a strong suspicion that everything is God, and in some sense, god is the rock.

I like to believe that we are all in god. That the cosmos is just god's dream. Existing because it is god. It's just human egotism that prevents us from seeing it. (But that's a bit off topic.)

I don't think something as powerful as a God would care about logic or semantics.

I thought this would be about ozzy.

Man was I mistaken.

quote:Originally posted by reggie_love:

I thought this would be about ozzy.

Man was I mistaken.

I was expecting a discussion on David Gilmour, to be honest http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif) kind of a letdown, eh?

quote:Originally posted by Daz:

The question doesn't actually make sense because you are comparing Gods omnipotence against Gods omnipotence.

So what you are really asking is this:

"Is Gods power greater than Gods power?"

If God is omniscient then there is nothing greater than its power and comparing God to God doesn't make sense.

could go play rock so loud even he could not listen to it?

There is no paradox to solve here. The problem is the question which appears valid but really isn't.

For example: I am the most like Daz out of anyone. Does this mean that i am even more like Daz than myself?? If not how can i be the most like Daz, if so how can i be the most like Daz. It makes no sense.

A better question:

Can God make a crack rock so big, even He couldn't smoke it?

Just split it into two questions, as that single question basically contradicts itself.]

1) Can God make a rock of indiscriminate size and weight?

Yes.

2) Can he lift that rock?

Yes.

I sincerely doubt "so big he cannot lift it" is a real measurement of weight or size.

quote:Originally posted by CatharticWeek:

I like to believe that we are all in god. That the cosmos is just god's dream. Existing because it is god. It's just human egotism that prevents us from seeing it. (But that's a bit off topic.)

Way to believe in stuff for no other reason that how it makes you feel emotionally.

It's actually almost all true, what he said.

Kinda.

Can god himself create a rock hard erection that he himself could not bring down with all his power?

[This message has been edited by ramoo (edited 01-14-2007).]

Does God rock so hard that not even he can be more awesome than he is?

Damn, could we stop with the other "Can God..." q's, please?

Please.

Better yet, why would god make a rock?