I do. I have seen them as a kid in my old house. Why do they exist? Do you know what they're doing? Why when people communicate with them, they only ask stupid questions? Never anything good. Like does a GOD exist? What happens when you die? etc. They always ask the same old generic questions lol

i dont believe they exist. You saw them because you were high on drugs, or you were dreaming.

If there is an afterlife, and its possible to trick the system and stay behind. There would be just as many ghosts around as flesh and blood. simple logic

Also if there were an afterlife, then that means that every person since the dawn of human civilization, would have to be hanging out somewhere.

There's 6.5 billion people in the world today. So what kind of place could hold the astronomical number of people, since we started out?

I think the people who think they're talking to them are delusional or frauds.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

i dont believe they exist. You saw them because you were high on drugs, or you were dreaming.

If there is an afterlife, and its possible to trick the system and stay behind. There would be just as many ghosts around as flesh and blood. simple logic

WRONG!

I happen to KNOW they exist, so I'm inviting only people that concur with this fact into this discussion http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

WRONG!

I happen to KNOW they exist, so I'm inviting only people that concur with this fact into this discussion http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



Care to elaborate on how you know?

No, because nothing will convince you, so why even argue it? Take a hike!

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

No, because nothing will convince you, so why even argue it? Take a hike!

Or perhaps because you're talking shit.

if you absoluty know your skitso, delusional, and in a perminant state of helucination. Your supposed to loose your imaginary friends as a toddler

Topic: Do you believe in goatse?

quote:I do. I have seen them as a kid in my old house. Why do they exist? Do you know what they're doing? Why when people communicate with them, they only ask stupid questions? Never anything good. Like does a GOD exist? What happens when you die? etc. They always ask the same old generic questions lol

fixed

I'm surprised noone here believes in them, because they do exist. Just because you never saw them, doesn't mean they don't exist, or maybe no evidence is good enough for you? So why must we convince people like you anyway? Apparently you never been to ghoststudy.com, never saw Ghost Hunter's, and never lived in a haunted house, as I have. So if you cannot accept fact, that is not my problem. The existence of ectoplasm is proven, and many believe that is what ghosts are made up of, the same thing proven to come out of humans as they meditate deeply.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

The existence of ectoplasm is proven, and many believe that is what ghosts are made up of, the same thing proven to come out of humans as they meditate deeply.

Who wants to explain to this guy why out of all of his retarded claims, this one is the most laughable?

I've never seen a ghost. As a child I had auditory experiences. As to the reason they happened, I haven't a clue. Maybe they were a dream without visuals?



I have to say that few of them had any religious connection to them.

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quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

The existence of ectoplasm is proven, and many believe that is what ghosts are made up of, the same thing proven to come out of humans as they meditate deeply.

Until you show me this proof, I'm going too laugh in your face.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!

The difference between me and you is that I am a skeptic, but unlike you, I actually hope to find proof of the existence of things.

You on the other hand, will never accept anything, you are a hardliner skeptic, so it's futile trying to prove things to you. I don't believe in any "god" but I do believe in the existence of ghosts, I just don't know why they exist, and I don't try to makeup reasons for it.

Proof? Why don't you stay in some haunted houses for awile? Alot of them are hotels, so just stay there, or watch some Ghost Hunter's, check out some ghost sites. Many ghost sites like to display hoaxes as evidence, so only go to the ones that have a memberbase skeptical to new submissions.

Ectoplasm HAS been prove, noone knows why it exists, noone even really knows alot about it. Many mainstream scientists reject it, but it has been proven, most are just skeptical and don't care to investigate it in the first place!

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

The difference between me and you is that I am a skeptic, but unlike you, I actually hope to find proof of the existence of things.

Where are you getting this from?

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

You on the other hand, will never accept anything, you are a hardliner skeptic, so it's futile trying to prove things to you.

Again, another accusation with nothing to back it up.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Ectoplasm HAS been prove,

Cite?

quote:Originally posted by xray:

quote:Where are you getting this from?

Your post.

quote:Again, another accusation with nothing to back it up.

It was a generalization. Your attitude is enough to "back it up."

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Ectoplasm HAS been prove,

quote:Cite?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm_%28parapsychology%29

Professor Richet concluded that: "There is ample proof that experimental materialization (ectoplasmic) should take definite rank as a scientific fact. Assuredly we do not understand it. It is very absurd, if a truth can be absurd" (for more details see Richet, Charles (1923). Our Sixth Sense. ).

http://skepdic.com/ectoplasm.html

"In the heyday of séances—the 19th and early 20th centuries—ectoplasm oozed from various orifices of mediums (known as physical or materializing mediums)."

http://www.prairieghosts.com/ectoplasm.html

"Ectoplasm was (or is) an odd and elusive substance that, while skeptics refute its existence at all, is reported to be totally repulsive. It is a seemingly lifelike substance, solid or vaporous in nature, that allegedly exudes from the body of the medium and can be transformed into materialized limbs, faces and even the entire bodies of spirits. Ectoplasm often appears to be milky white in color and smells like ozone, according to most reports."

http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/12/warner.php

quote:In the early twentieth century, photographs claiming to show ectoplasm were occasionally published; these were mostly shown to be fraudulent. Often the medium would have concealed cheesecloth or a similar substance about their person to produce at an appropriate moment. Numerous studies were carried out in the 1950s and 60s to attempt to prove the existence of ectoplasm, including experiments by spiritualists who have attempted to show that ectoplasm projects itself from people during meditation.

Many attempts to prove it, but turned out to be fraudulent. Notice the word 'attempt', yet it hasn't been proven.

quote:Besides this conclusion ectoplasm is not accepted as true by many mainstream scientists.

So whilst most scientists think it's bullshit, some outlandish guy thinks it's real, trying to be a big name in science.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Proof? Why don't you stay in some haunted houses for awile? Alot of them are hotels, so just stay there

I have, I actually lived in a haunted hotel for a month. It was originally a courthouse, where people were killed. The place was supposed to be haunted by 3 ghost who all the staff claimed too see, but guess what?

In the entire month I lived there, I never saw or heard anything ghostly. Hell I even used too walk round in the pitch black dark at night, because I couldn't be arsed trying to find the light switch, yet still I didn't see or here anything.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Your post.

There is nothing in my post or anyone else's that should bring anyone with half a brain to the conclusion that anyone here does not want to prove or have others prove that new things or previously unproven things exist. Writing "your post" instead of quoting something specific shows that you probably already know this.

You say, "I actually hope to find proof of the existence of things." You are admitting right there that there is no proof of ghosts.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

It was a generalization. Your attitude is enough to "back it up."

And again, you can't quote anything specific that was said because it doesn't exist. Even hardline skeptics accept strong evidence. That's what good skeptics do.

Nice "proof" that you cited.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

I have, I actually lived in a haunted hotel for a month. It was originally a courthouse, where people were killed. The place was supposed to be haunted by 3 ghost who all the staff claimed too see, but guess what?

In the entire month I lived there, I never saw or heard anything ghostly. Hell I even used too walk round in the pitch black dark at night, because I couldn't be arsed trying to find the light switch, yet still I didn't see or here anything.

Some are SUPPOSEDLY haunted, go to another place. Ghost Hunter's have disproved many "haunted" claims in the series, while labeling a few in their series as truly haunted.

"To the believer no proof is required, to the sceptic, no proof is sufficient"

Good quote.

I saw them in my old house, that is why I believe in them for the most part, not exclusively because of the Ghost Hunter's series or onine photographs. I don't have schizophrenia, nor am I diagnosed with any other mental illness, but one would think that I would "see things" in other places? People with schizophrenia don't see things in one location exclusively.

To see apparitions appear right in front of me for years that I lived in that house is enough proof for me, for you, apparently not, but for me, yes. I trust my own eyes. I affirmed what I saw online, I read alot in it all and I established that I lived in a haunted house. The apparition is the "holy grail" in the ghost hunting community, and I saw them alot in that house. Want to go there? I'll give you the address http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) Ask if the new people that lives there has seen/experienced anything. heh

I lived in two other houses since then, and am still yet to see anything, so what am I to think? Kicking a dead horse! Surprisingly no believers in these boards, have they been chased out by a rigorous serving of ad hominem? hm

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quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

What evidence do you accept of anything controversal? Nothing? Yeah, that's right. Get lost. Stop twisting my words. "I actually hope to find proof of the existence of things." was referring to ectoplasm, asshole. Not towards ghosts. Ectoplasm and full fledge apparitions are two entirely different things, and anyone to not believe in the existence of apparititions are full fledge idiots.

So most mainstream scientists are idiots? That makes sense.

quote:

There's many hoax pictures out there, but also many that have been examined and noone can show any evidence of it being tampered with, but you know what?



I've yet to see any of these undoctored pictures show clear proof or evidence of a ghost. Can you show me one?

quote:

Even pictures isn't enough evidence for you, face it, you will be a skeptic of it no matter what.



I don't see how analyzing points without believing any old shit served up as being a bad thing.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

What evidence do you accept of anything controversal?

Why don't you provide some evidence before asking stupid questions?



quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Nothing? Yeah, that's right.

Now you're answering for me? Get a fuckin' clue.



quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Stop twisting my words. "I actually hope to find proof of the existence of things." was referring to ectoplasm, asshole. Not towards ghosts.

So, you hope find proof for the existence of ectoplasm? Well, asshole, this contradicts this statement of yours, doesn't it?:

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

The existence of ectoplasm is proven



quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Ectoplasm and full fledge apparitions are two entirely different things, and anyone to not believe in the existence of apparititions are full fledge idiots.

Because of all the evidence you've supplied for us, right? Well, then I'm proud to be on quite a distinguished list of idiots including the top scientists of the world.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

There's many hoax pictures out there, but also many that have been examined and noone can show any evidence of it being tampered with,

And no one could show evidence that one of the most famous pictures of the Loch Ness Monster was a fake, until the person who took the shot admitted to faking it while on his deathbed.

Pictures of "stuff" is not even weak evidence for the existence of souls, ghosts, or whatever, that came out of someone's dead body.



quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

but you know what? Even pictures isn't enough evidence for you, face it, you will be a skeptic of it no matter what.

Wrong. keep saying that all you want, but it's bullshit. Give me strong evidence and I'll believe. As will most of the rest of the educated of the world.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

That's why I don't care to talk to you,

Could have fooled me.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

"To the believer no proof is required, to the sceptic, no proof is sufficient"

Good quote.

It's actually a rather shitty quote. It attempts to paint skepticism as being synonymous with cynicism, which is far from accurate.

This (http://www.cnyskeptics.org/what_is_skeptic.html) is a well written short essay on what it means to be a skeptic. I hope it is enough to convince anyone that 'no proof is sufficient', is not an accurate assessment of skepticism.

Okay, don't you think we have had enough skeptic err denial representation here? Where the believers?