www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA)



Ok the topic was preety attention whorish but everyone should see this clip its really long like 25 mins so if you don't have the patience to hear it all AT THE VERY LEAST WATCH THE LAST PART STARTING @

24:00, 24 minutes into the clip, the last 2 minutes.

He makes a solid point, are you a real christian or just skewing your own interpretation and amking it up as you go along?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA)

[This message has been edited by blacksh33p18 (edited 01-28-2007).]

"God Hates Fags..."

Anyone with the audacity to say this, especially at a funeral, has the right to be splashed in the face with urine.

I wonder how these facists can swallow the insane notion that a "loving" god would hate his own creation.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

"God Hates Fags..."

I wonder how these facists can swallow the insane notion that a "loving" god would hate his own creation.



cause it says so in the king james bible.

And who said god loves anyone? seriously is that in the bible, I'm not saying it isn't just that I never recalled reading it in church.

Dude your missing the point ENTIRELY in all likeliness their interpretation of the bible is probably more accurate than any other "christian's"

I dont think it says he hates them. I know it says something to the effect of "If a man lays with another man surely he shall be put to death..." its in leviticus.

Dont quote me on this but I also recall something else to the effect of "If they commit adultery ask them to stop. If they continue than banish them from the land and prey for god to give their body to satan for destruction so he may pay the price on earth instead of in the afterlife."

And there is also the "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Im not a big fan of religion, including christianity, because these books have mean things in them, especially regaurding "whores," homosexuals, pagans, etc. And none of it makes sence because they know humans lived 2,000,000 years ago.

(Dont they have skeletons that old proving this?)

[This message has been edited by CrazyJ32 (edited 01-27-2007).]

I misread this...

quote:Originally posted by blacksh33p18:

cause it says so in the king james bible.

Ok. Find me the verse.

quote:Originally posted by blacksh33p18:

And who said god loves anyone? seriously is that in the bible, I'm not saying it isn't just that I never recalled reading it in church.

It is. Something to that affect is also in the quran, however the bible makes it more believable in the things "god" says about heaven and the way he "interacts" with various prophets.

quote:Originally posted by blacksh33p18:

Dude your missing the point ENTIRELY in all likeliness their interpretation of the bible is probably more accurate than any other "christian's"

I highly doubt that. For one thing the whole point of christianity is to emulate christ, a person who never put up such arrogent displays of bigotry. He was the man that saved a prostitute from being stoned. Now Im not god but Id imagine "god" would frown apon prostitution more than homosexuality.



[This message has been edited by CrazyJ32 (edited 01-27-2007).]

Found: quote:Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13

a man is not to lie with a man as he does a woman because it is an abomination.



I'm not making this shit up, I can't, nor would I.

find the part where god says he loves us once again not disagreeing with you but I'd like to see it.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

I highly doubt that. For one thing the whole point of christianity is to emulate christ, a person who never put up such arrogent displays of bigotry. He was the man that saved a prostitute from being stoned. Now Im not god but Id imagine "god" would frown apon prostitution more than homosexuality.



I thought it was to follow the word of god ie the bible? This is what I was taught in church at least. And if it were about christ's anti-bigotry values (which I'm not officially agreeing with that for the reccord) why are the majority of congregations going against those beleifs and even debatable concepts jesus clearly proclaimed in the bible?

I'm sorry I'm just having a hard time beleiving the word of god is open to such a wide interpretation. Hell, I don't even know where the line is drawn between man/boy pedophillia and homosexuality in a religious sense.

But you get my point at least wether you agree with it or not, right? I feel anything less than true 100% dedication to the bible is just half-assing it to fit around ones personal life and personal beleiefs. ie the pro homosexual says "jesus would be cool with it" the anti-homosexual says "its an abomination and you are going to hell for it"

Aren't these the argument we hear constantly? One of them has to be right? I say we take the logical approach that the king james bible's god probably does hate homosexuals its in his own book he wrote as an "abonimation". No personal offence to the gays as I find very little sensical logic in the bible.

I remember watching a show where a straight man would live in Castro for 30 days with a homosexual. A straight, christian soldier.

In one of his talks with the local gay preacher, she asked him if he would kill another man for his country. His reply was of course yes, being a man who served his country.

A christian, willing to kill another man, even though it specifically says in the very book he reveres to not kill another man, condemns homosexuals.

quote:Originally posted by blacksh33p18:

Ok the topic was preety attention whorish but everyone should see this clip its really long like 25 mins so if you don't have the patience to hear it all AT THE VERY LEAST WATCH THE LAST PART STARTING @

24:00, 24 minutes into the clip, the last 2 minutes.

He makes a solid point, are you a real christian or just skewing your own interpretation and amking it up as you go along?

What fukin video?

link?

blacksh33p18:

I know quite a few bible thumpers that read and follow the whole book. They're not anti-homosexual bigots, they prey for them.

No where in the bible does it say they should be ridiculed and harrased. Nowhere in the bible does god say he hates anybody. The concept of capital punishment in the Old Testament is so sinners can recieve their punishment in this world as opposed to the next. The whole purpose of "the savior" is so these people will be able to be forgiven. However I believe niether of these books so the OT is probably fake and somewhat evil.

(While on the subject of capital punishment, the quran says "god" wants muslims to kill so "god" can torture them in hell. Such is the waning difference between islam and christianity)

And Im not going to waste hours looking for other vereses as Im not a christian and really dont care. Until they find verses (which dont exist) explaining why humans have been arount for 2 million years, or god introduces himself to me, I will be too skeptic to follow any god-religion.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

blacksh33p18:

I know quite a few bible thumpers that read and follow the whole book. They're not anti-homosexual bigots, they prey for them.

No where in the bible does it say they should be ridiculed and harrased. Nowhere in the bible does god say he hates anybody. The concept of capital punishment in the Old Testament is so sinners can recieve their punishment in this world as opposed to the next. The whole purpose of "the savior" is so these people will be able to be forgiven. However I believe niether of these books so the OT is probably fake and somewhat evil.

(While on the subject of capital punishment, the quran says "god" wants muslims to kill so "god" can torture them in hell. Such is the waning difference between islam and christianity)

And Im not going to waste hours looking for other vereses as Im not a christian and really dont care. Until they find verses (which dont exist) explaining why humans have been arount for 2 million years, or god introduces himself to me, I will be too skeptic to follow any god-religion.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA)

I don't know about you but, I interpret sending someone to literal biblical hell worthy of the word "hate" not to mention the word "abomination" comes up.

The bible says 102 things, 51 of them being self contradictory. You yourself describe the old testamate as "fake" and "somewhat evil" Isn't it understood as the word of god by all literal interpreting christians?

You made a few good points I'm not going to comment on because I don't know the facts so I'm going to assume you have it right. However isn't the bottom line:

There is right and wrong according to god, and somone has it right, and the bible being the "word of god" best represents him. Your opinion of jesus is exsclusively based on this very book is it not? Aren't we picking and choosing what we want to beleive to suit our own values? How can you even decide which testament is the correct one? Not that I beleive any of this but, traditionally isn't the older of two documents the more accurate in these circumstances?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA)