1/3 of British young Muslims believes that whoever leaves Islam should be executed

Poll Source (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/thinktanks/story/0,,2000984,00.html)



PEW poll 2004 found 75% Muslims around the world considers OBL as their hero.

and Over 50% thinks 9/11 was Jews job.

(source 2nd post down)

Wake up.

visit www.jihadwatch.com (http://www.jihadwatch.com)

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quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

PEW poll 2006 found 65% Muslims around the world considers OBL as their hero.

and Over 50% thinks 9/11 was Jews job.

Poll Source (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/thinktanks/story/0,,2000984,00.html)

Wake up.

visit www.jihadwatch.com (http://www.jihadwatch.com)

I read your Poll Source, something you obviously didn't do.

There was no mention of OBL nor the 9/11 attacks on that page. Of course you being not an ignorant blind hater already knew that right?

The poll source refers to the topic of this threat. (1/3 british young muslims support sharria and death for apostacy)

Here is a source for the bin laden poll http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/14/223037.shtml

In 2004 support for bin laden was about 75% but has declined to about 30%.

I made this thread in haste and will make make it easire to understand.

quote:Originally posted by Lamabot:

There was no mention of OBL nor the 9/11 attacks on that page. Of course you being not an ignorant blind hater already knew that right?



Nah. You being a blind leftist knowitall already knew that I was full of shit.

Ah, the usual peaceful Muslims who everybody in the UK just has to love!

In America let's say mid 2005 1/3 of the youth would probably like to see Bush assasinated. I'm pulling the number out of my ass but you get the idea. Youth are idiots.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:



Nah. You being a blind leftist knowitall already knew that I was full of shit.

Who the fuck told you I was? Does it have anything to do with you being full of shit? You are full of shit regardless of my political beliefs. The word *Decline* in the title of that article kind of fucks up your point bad too. Pulling polls out of your ass to prove an irrelevant point is not that hard. "55% of americans believe in creationism and deny evolution" Therefore 55% of americans are fucking delusional and stupid. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

Of course I only met 2-4 people that actually believe in it.

quote:Originally posted by yango wango:In America let's say mid 2005 1/3 of the youth would probably like to see Bush assasinated. I'm pulling the number out of my ass but you get the idea. Youth are idiots.

Yeah thats true. Youth in america seems to think george is some kind of greedy maniachal terrorist. What would make youth want people to be killed over changing a religion though? Perhaps fundie mullahs reminding them that muhammad said so?

Oh and lamabot, nevermind that bin laden's popularity is declining. Why was it so high in the first place? It didn't change much from 2002, dont you think that september 11'th should have severly diminished his popularity? Well if it didn;t than perhaps these muslims like the fact that 3000 innocent people were killed by OBL. Perhaps his popularity has declined for a different reason? Maybe the fact he is getting his ass kicked?

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Oh and lamabot, nevermind that bin laden's popularity is declining. Why was it so high in the first place? It didn't change much from 2002, dont you think that september 11'th should have severly diminished his popularity? Well if it didn;t than perhaps these muslims like the fact that 3000 innocent people were killed by OBL. Perhaps his popularity has declined for a different reason? Maybe the fact he is getting his ass kicked?

How Is he getting his ass kicked? He wasn't found or anything. Why do they like Bin Laden? It is because he is against us, and we are hated. Why are we hated? The national Catholic Reporter, Robert Bowman answered that question.

quote:

We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism -- and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood, the solution becomes obvious. We must change our ways. Getting rid of our nuclear weapons -- unilaterally if necessary -- will enhance our security. Drastically altering our foreign policy will ensure it.

Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraqis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals -- all the things we destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding with sanctions.

Instead of training terrorists and death squads, we should close the School of the Americas. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination and terror around the world, we should abolish the CIA and give the money to relief agencies.

In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us? Who would want to bomb us?

That is the truth, Mr. President. That’s what the American people need to hear.

Nice article based on opinion as opposed to fact.

I will tell you why we are hated.

Islamic scripture demonizes the jews. Muhammad once said that "the war with the jews will not end until the end of days when all are killed except one (or a few) Then a rock will say 'there is a jew behind me. Come and kill him.'" I have seen footage of an iraqi cleric quoting this passage while unsheathing a scimitar and proclaiming: "Inshalla we will cut it off!" (his head) while hordes of muslims rise in gleeful agreement.

Similar things are preached in saudi mosques, paki mosques, iranian mosques, etc.

The quran also calls the jews many mean and derogatory things. It talks about how alla hates them. It tells muslims to hunt them down and rule over them. It calls them "monkeys and pigs." (BTW muhammad used the derogatory "pig" word to denote connotations of evil and treachery) Muhammad calls the jews treacherous and untrustworthy. He calls them "a people deviod of understanding." He insults them and insigts hatred for them worse than any other group of people, including christians and pagans.

Then in 1949 the UN gives them the nomadic area of jordan as a state (which was already predominently jew anyways, given it's their "holy land") and what happens?

The islamic world rises in uproar, they unight in a war to "drive the jews into the sea." (this really happened, this was their stated agenda) But they got their asses kicked.

Ever since it has been a bloody, drawn out battle to "liberate" jerusalem from the swine, the pigs, the jews. Dont believe me? Look at the PLO's (palestinian "liberation" Orginization) flag. It is a picture of all of "palestein" in green. Note it comprises the entirety of Israel.

I dont have time to delve into all of this. There is a vast wealth of information out there prooving the muslim's seething hatred for jews (although now they cloak it in hatred for "zionism"). The point is they hate us for supporting Israel. They also hate us (jew-supporting pigs) for being a leader in world-wide economics, wealth, education, and general prosperity. And to show our generousity we are also the leader in charity sent to the ME by far. They also hate us jew-supporting-pigs for establishing military bases in their "holy" lands. By having us kaffurs there their land is somehow less "holy."

"Oh but look at the squalid living conditions they live in!" Oh bullshit. With how much money they rake in from oil they should have no problem fixing their countries, but thats what greed does to you. It is not the fault of the US they dont overthrow their mulla-sheiks, imams, ayatollas, "presidents," and dictators. It is theirs and theirs alone.



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In related news, CrazyJ32 is a jew.

watch Penn and Teller:BULLSHIT! on numbers, that'll explain polling

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:In related news, CrazyJ32 is a jew.[/B]

Thanks for the compliment but I wish.

If you wish you were Jewish why don't you just convert?

Oh. I dont believe in religion. By "I wish" I was referring to their great success in business, science, discovery, agriculture, and disproportionate nobel prizes as a race.

They hate us because we blow up all their shit and then go, "Oops, at least you have freedom, right? Now go out there and vote for a puppet government!"

Excuse me, but where and when are we blowing up their "shit" and walking away? Sources? Stories?

Since I already know what your gonna say, and I already know why it's BS why dont you not waste my time with it and educate yourself?

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Oh. I dont believe in religion. By "I wish" I was referring to their great success in business, science, discovery, agriculture, and disproportionate nobel prizes as a race.

They have lots of comedians too.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Excuse me, but where and when are we blowing up their "shit" and walking away? Sources? Stories?

Since I already know what your gonna say, and I already know why it's BS why dont you not waste my time with it and educate yourself?

h ttp://www. terrorisma wareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/ (http: //www.terr orismaware ness.org/i slamic-mei n-kampf/)

CrazyJ32, if you cant see what the American/British military are doing that is so bad (killing, bombing) then i must conclude that you have no access to a TV, the internet, newspapers or common sense.

You say killing 3000 innocent people is evil yet how many hundreds of thousands of innocents have been killed in Iraq by our forces? i mean come on, in the 40s America dropped a weapon which was MADE to kill hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people, is that evil to you?

yes, terrorism is a bad thing, yes people should be brought to justice however yes also that people on BOTH SIDES are terrorists.

OBL isn't/wasn't getting his ass kicked, no one is yet to find him are they, if he is still alive and if you believe the campaign in the middle east has anything to do with OBL you are insane http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

The figures of 1/3 of British Muslims saying anyone leaving the religion should be executed is wildly over-estimated.

Whilst the Muslim community hasnt integrated with British society as a whole, there are only 3 million Muslims IN britain anyway, of these most are of the older generations/believe Islam is a religion os peace and dont with to live under Sharia Law.....the percentage which DOES is so small, it is A LOT less than 1/3.

It would seem that there are many here who are living a fairy tail world. If only “we” would just give peace a chance and stop the fighting we could eliminate all the worlds problems.

Well what if Palestine were to gave peace a chance, destroyed their weapons, and stopped attacking Israel. Do you think that Israel would continue to attack them?

Now conversely what if Israel gave peace a chance by destroying all their weapons. Do think Palestine would stop attacking them.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Oh. I dont believe in religion. By "I wish" I was referring to their great success in business, science, discovery, agriculture, and disproportionate nobel prizes as a race.

What of your own "race" have they never accomplished anything?

Show some pride in your heritage man...

quote:among_the_living wrote"

CrazyJ32, if you cant see what the American/British military are doing that is so bad (killing, bombing) then i must conclude that you have no access to a TV, the internet, newspapers or common sense.

Oh like building hospitals, schools, ports, infrastructure, government bulidings?

Like supplyinh medical equipment, food, clothing, textbooks, security from insurgents, freedom of choice, etc?

Oh I can see why they hate us so much.

quote:among_the_living wrote"

You say killing 3000 innocent people is evil yet how many hundreds of thousands of innocents have been killed in Iraq by our forces? i mean come on, in the 40s America dropped a weapon which was MADE to kill hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people, is that evil to you?

"hundreds of thousands of innocents" And you say I have no access to TV and internet? Are you fucking serious? Yeah, some innocents have been killed by allied forces but it aproaches no where near hundreds of thousands, possibly not even thousands.

100,000 have been killed, but by us? And are they really all innocent? You must be clinicly insane because it is public knowledge that the vast majority of these were killed by fellow muslims!

For a comprehensive death toll go to www.thereligionofpeace.com (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)

quote:among_the_living wrote"

OBL isn't/wasn't getting his ass kicked, no one is yet to find him are they, if he is still alive and if you believe the campaign in the middle east has anything to do with OBL you are insane

Not finding him has nothing to do with beating him. Tell me, the ME is insanely pissed off at the US but no successful attacks. No recent videos. His band of terrorists is being slaughtered in africa. Many of his right-hand men have been aprehended or killed.

So tell me how he is not getting his ass kicked.

quote:among_the_living wrote"

there are only 3 million Muslims IN britain anyway, of these most are of the older generations/believe Islam is a religion os peace

Sure. There are only 3 million now. But they breed like rabbits incase you havn't noticed, studies suggest their population in europe is exploding as they breed while non-muslims have abortions. Plus the UK is the biggest importer of muslim "political refugees." Many of these "refugees" are refugees because their brand of islam is too introllerent for their ex-country.



quote:among_the_living wrote"

and dont with to live under Sharia Law.....the percentage which DOES is so small, it is A LOT less than 1/3.

Their parents dont want to live under sharia law because they have before and it aint fun. Its why they came in the first place yet they failed to recognize why and how their religion caused sharia law in the first place. So they retain their muslim identity in the delusion that it really is a "religion of peace." Perhaps these peaceful muslims didn't examine their faith? Perhaps they decided not to due to fundie mullas, ayatollas, sheiks, and dictators shoving it down their throat?

But back on topic, their children are ignorant of the flaws of sharia because they have never been there. Their children are borne muslims and wind up studying the faith of their ancestors. They make friends with charismatic followers that do know what's in their texts, these charismatic people convince them of the "beauty" of sharia, the "divinity" of the capital punishment for sharia. Eventually it becomes some what of a fad, however I belive this is a nearly irreversable one.

And proove the poll is invalid.

quote:FunkyZombie wrote:

What of your own "race" have they never accomplished anything?

Show some pride in your heritage man...

Oh for cryin out loud, I do have pride in my race. They have accomplished monumental feats. I am very proud to be a member of it, I was just lamenting on the astounding individual accomplishments of the jews.

But I agree with you. Every race/ethnicity has reason to and should be proud to be one of their own. Without diversity in race, personality, religion, etc this would be a very boring world.

No religion that has set religious rules could be a religion of peace. If there are rules, they divide the society into followers and nonfollowers, from which religious tensions are derived that necessitate the perversion of the original doctrine in order to support a side. These tensions and perversions will lead to propaganda and open hate, from which violent conflicts arise. Islam is violent, so is any other religion that believes in god-derived rules.

quote:Originally posted by Lamabot:

Islam is violent, so is any other religion that believes in god-derived rules.[/B]

I agree with most of your post, to an extent, but to put islam on the same level of violence and totalitarianism as christianity is, as I have proven, incredibly inaccurate.

It is about historic progression. Islam was founded circa 622ACE, which puts it at about 1400'th year at now. Christianity passed that point, and circa that time you saw some violent shit - inquisition, crusades, church rule etc. It is exactly the same, by its 2000'th it will implode and decline

Huh. Iv heard that theory before but the contrasting origens and teachings of islam and christianity debunk it.

link?

Link? I was referring to the difference between the origens and teachings of islam and christianity. The contrast between the two is an unmistakible mountain of facts.

I assume you already know the story of jesus, the same story christians have been learning for ~2000 years?

If so than all you need to learn are the origens of islam.

Here is a good starting place, but be warned, it is a loooooong read:

(adobe reader required) http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Print.Islam

http://www.apostatesofislam.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php

http://www.faithfreedom.org/holiday/phpBB2/index.php

http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php

http://www.activistchat.com

http://islam-watch.org/CommunityServer/forums/default.aspx

http://islam-watch.org

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

http://www.islam-watch.org/

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

http://tinyurl.com/23porv

http://www.atcoalition.net/

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/pages/6-Mein%20Kampf_jpg_jpg_jpg.htm

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/moslem.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://atheism.about.com/cs/islamandviolence/

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

http://www.domini.org/openbook/home.htm

http://www.persecution.org

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583

http://www.danielpipes.org/

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/action.htm

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/BTaliban/Bangla_Taliban_Photos.html

http://www.bwoi.cjb.net

http://www.chechentruth.cjb.net/

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/pages/1/index.htm

http://www.rotter.net/israel/

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Islam.html

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/TalibanOnline1.html

http://www.truthtree.com/Debating/posts/755.html

http://www.isralert.com/archives/2005/03/deceit_thy_name.php

http://www.factsandlogic.org

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/zakirnaik/zakicaptured.gif

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/toc.html

http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/quotes1.html#terrorism

http://www.pmw.org.il/

http://tinyurl.com/ydc9qj



According to these links the Quran has been changed over time.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-koran-manuscripts.htm

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/3.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

http://www.jodkowski.pl/re/MBright.html

http://cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm

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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5197

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5237

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5258



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What's that? Two thirds of young British Muslims believe people should be able to leave Islam WITHOUT execution?

Sounds good to me!