1- we will never meet aliens, not saying thier not there but considering the fact inter-galactic space travel would take half of the galaxys energy and probably around millions if not billions of years going at the speed of light

2- it would also take a while getting to other solar systems around us, not saying that it cant be done cause it is possible but as far as we know there is none in the surounding solar sytems ruling that one out

3-it would be like finding one needle in a haystack the size of the sun.anyone have anyclue as to how big the our galaxy is? inside our galaxy is billions of stars, think of that and how small we are now picture whatever # comes after a trilion many times over of galaxys insidethe whole universe. pretty damn small!!!

4- life in its self is close to being impossible. all the conditions that have to be met for a planet is completely insane. i cant even list them, cosidering theres so much of them and plus i kinda forget at the moment but none the less theres still plent of them. making life on our planet basicaly a fluke.



wether or not you beleive in aliens it seems we will never meet another life form from another planet, so we can all give up on the alien conspiracy theorys, using them to disprove god, and finding them!!!

ps. for idiots that dont believe me, beleive Einstien when he says it would be impossible to go faster than the speed of light and believe all the scientists (who actually disproves themselves when they say this because they beleive we will meet aliens) that it takes light thousands, millions, and sometimes billions of years for it to reach earth from another star.



pss. GO GOD!!!!

I could have said that better myself.

Proof we will never meet aliens and that we never will? As opposed to proof we will never meet aliens and that we always will? http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

You sure think you're something special, don't 'cha?

And you assume too much.

1-Who says they cannot travel across time? Who says they can't travel through natural or created wormholes?

2-Same reasoning in one.

3-Why would they be searching for us in the first place. Maybe its accidental? Maybe they can somehow detect life with advanced technology?

4-Life is not an accident, life strives to happen. and in the absence of whats necessary for our kind of life, other life springs up. Like at the heat vents on the floors of the ocean. There have been estimates that almost every solar system has an average of 2 planets habitable for our kind of life. Thats a huge number.

gay

oh yeah and the title of this topic is retarded. If you haven't noticed yet, you end up repeating yourself 2 times..

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

You sure think you're something special, don't 'cha?

And you assume too much.

1-Who says they cannot travel across time? Who says they can't travel through natural or created wormholes?

2-Same reasoning in one.

3-Why would they be searching for us in the first place. Maybe its accidental? Maybe they can somehow detect life with advanced technology?

4-Life is not an accident, life strives to happen. and in the absence of whats necessary for our kind of life, other life springs up. Like at the heat vents on the floors of the ocean. There have been estimates that almost every solar system has an average of 2 planets habitable for our kind of life. Thats a huge number.

omg i cant beleive i can say this and i never thought i would be able to! hold on i have to take a moment to soak this in!.........ok here we go, you use theorys to support your stance(which are based on nothing)wait actually if they havnt been tested then there not valid theorys they are still hypothesis, but when i was using knowledge to back up my reason ing i was using LAWS! which can not be changed or twisted because they nare laws point proven!

trust me none of you guys are smarter than Einstien!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

1- we will never meet aliens, not saying thier not there but considering the fact inter-galactic space travel would take half of the galaxys energy and probably around millions if not billions of years going at the speed of light

2- it would also take a while getting to other solar systems around us, not saying that it cant be done cause it is possible but as far as we know there is none in the surounding solar sytems ruling that one out

3-it would be like finding one needle in a haystack the size of the sun.anyone have anyclue as to how big the our galaxy is? inside our galaxy is billions of stars, think of that and how small we are now picture whatever # comes after a trilion many times over of galaxys insidethe whole universe. pretty damn small!!!

4- life in its self is close to being impossible. all the conditions that have to be met for a planet is completely insane. i cant even list them, cosidering theres so much of them and plus i kinda forget at the moment but none the less theres still plent of them. making life on our planet basicaly a fluke.



wether or not you beleive in aliens it seems we will never meet another life form from another planet, so we can all give up on the alien conspiracy theorys, using them to disprove god, and finding them!!!

ps. for idiots that dont believe me, beleive Einstien when he says it would be impossible to go faster than the speed of light and believe all the scientists (who actually disproves themselves when they say this because they beleive we will meet aliens) that it takes light thousands, millions, and sometimes billions of years for it to reach earth from another star.



pss. GO GOD!!!!

Shiiit, sorry to burst your bubble, but about 2 weeks ago scientists were able to make light speed up faster than the normal speed of light, and ever slow it down to the point where you could see the beam of light moving. Technically the light went through the speed sensor before it even arrived. Faster than light, not impossible. Even if it WERE impossible universe = infinite, anything can happen, has happened, and is happening.

You believing in God shows how close-minded you are, you believe in something people believed in when we thought the earth was flat.

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, give a man religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish".

quote:Originally posted by DieSmokin:

Shiiit, sorry to burst your bubble, but about 2 weeks ago scientists were able to make light speed up faster than the normal speed of light, and ever slow it down to the point where you could see the beam of light moving. Technically the light went through the speed sensor before it even arrived. Faster than light, not impossible. Even if it WERE impossible universe = infinite, anything can happen, has happened, and is happening.

You believing in God shows how close-minded you are, you believe in something people believed in when we thought the earth was flat.

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, give a man religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish".

owned

Ps. omg i didnt realize this before, time travel was also impossible(Ya srry for you alien freaks but Einstien also said this). some people say thats not true he just proved going back in time is impossible. well id say going into the future would take as much energy as intergalactic space travel. Impossible. by the way how the hell is time travel going to help aliens find us?

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Ps. omg i didnt realize this before

lol , are you on crack ?

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

omg i cant beleive i can say this and i never thought i would be able to! hold on i have to take a moment to soak this in!.........ok here we go, you use theorys to support your stance(which are based on nothing)wait actually if they havnt been tested then there not valid theorys they are still hypothesis, but when i was using knowledge to back up my reason ing i was using LAWS! which can not be changed or twisted because they nare laws point proven!

trust me none of you guys are smarter than Einstien!

Einstein was a genius. You are an idiot for thinking that he, and yourself 'applying' his knowledge, are members of the most advanced civilization in the universe.

We only call things laws. We can't know they are.

And in case you can't imagine something more advanced, both Einstein and Hawkins have theorized time travel and the like.

Ever hear of higher dimensions? Perhaps aliens found a way to use the 6th dimension to fold through the 5th and 4th, the same way we are constantly using the 3rd to fold though the 2nd and 1st dimensions.

quote:Originally posted by sealsaregay:

owned



never heard of that but i would like to see proof? curious, i mean srry for me using laws as evidence and support from einstien. how stupid is that, man im an idiot. o ya i also forgot that Einstien made these theorys when everyone thought the world was flat. wow was WWII that long ago? i just have one last thing to say ur an idiot!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:



never heard of that but i would like to see proof? curious, i mean srry for me using laws as evidence and support from einstien. how stupid is that, man im an idiot. o ya i also forgot that Einstien made these theorys when everyone thought the world was flat. wow was WWII that long ago? i just have one last thing to say ur an idiot!

your the idiot for assuming that we will never come into contact with aliens. einstien was smart, but that doesnt mean he cant be proven wrong just like so many other people. you cant just go throwing around junk and saying that your right. i hope if we ever DO find aliens, they'll come find you and dropkick you in the face

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Ps. omg i didnt realize this before, time travel was also impossible(Ya srry for you alien freaks but Einstien also said this). some people say thats not true he just proved going back in time is impossible. well id say going into the future would take as much energy as intergalactic space travel. Impossible. by the way how the hell is time travel going to help aliens find us?

Humans are perfectly able to time travel, and I don't mean simply going form one day to the next. We can actually dilate time to in a way go forward in time at a faster rate than normal.

As going back ward in time, there are may different theories on how to do it.

Sure maybe einstein said it was impossible but Hawking disagrees with him.



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quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

Einstein was a genius. You are an idiot for thinking that he, and yourself 'applying' his knowledge, are members of the most advanced civilization in the universe.

We only call things laws. We can't know they are.

And in case you can't imagine something more advanced, both Einstein and Hawkins have theorized time travel and the like.

Ever hear of higher dimensions? Perhaps aliens found a way to use the 6th dimension to fold through the 5th and 4th, the same way we are constantly using the 3rd to fold though the 2nd and 1st dimensions.



pay attention in science class sometimes dumbass, the way you defined LAWS would actually be a theory! LAWS are absolute, you cant prove laws wrong, thats why they are called laws!!! and if you listend to me Einstien said traveling back into time is impossible but still being highly doubtful for us to do(im not saying einstien said this part just putting it out there) but please dont get off subject this has nothing to do with time travel. but you still are using theories.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:



pay attention in science class sometimes dumbass, the way you defined LAWS would actually be a theory! LAWS are absolute, you cant prove laws wrong, thats why they are called laws!!! and if you listend to me Einstien said traveling back into time is impossible but still being highly doubtful for us to do(im not saying einstien said this part just putting it out there) but please dont get off subject this has nothing to do with time travel. but you still are using theories.

so are you

everything is just a theory, so are our 'laws'. And I really don't think you're so stupid as to not be able to understand the concept, I think you're just trying to start a shit flinging flight.

Sorry bub, I'm no monkey. Fling that shit someplace else.

alright shut the fuck up abbout time travel and hawking. time travel has nothing to do with aliens contacting us and all of you guys saying there are many theorys as to how to do it.they are just theorys and the all have one flaw none it would be impossible to create the amount of energy needed for power. and the left over strings from the big bang is completely hypothetical whhich is stupid for someone saying if they twisted you could go through time. plus they arnt really theorys they are hypothesis with no evidence backing them. Now Hawkins, wow what else to say but are you shitting me the guys a retard! i kno im mean but still he may be the smartest guy SINCE Einstien but hes still not smarter than Einstien!

would some one please explain to this guy the defintion of a law hes not listening to me.and tell him the theory one too oh hey what while where at it tell the hypothesis one two!

Masta Thief, where are you getting the idea that Einstein said that time travel is impossible?

I was trying to allude to the fact that just Einstein was very smart does not make him 100% right on every thing. As new evidence is presented ideas change.

Sir Isaac Newton, quiet possibly one of the smartest men ever to exist, was a creationist.

Will you quit backing all your crap up with Einstein? He's a human being, he CAN be proven wrong also.

First of all, the OP is clearly a subnormal revert with little to no understanding of science. Secondly, DieSmokin said that scientists made light go faster than the speed of light: this is not so. It is however completely understandable that you would think that (because that's absolutely what it seems like) but it actually has to do with an anomalous behaviour of light interfering with itself (if I recall correctly).

Listen, Masta Thief. It will not take millions or billions of years to reach a nearby star system at the speed of light, or as close as we can get it. To get to, say, Rigil Kentaurus or Proxima Centauri, two of the nearest, it would only take just over 4 years at light speed. Also, you say finding life is like finding a needle in a huge haystack. Well, it would be if by finding you meant actually SEEING the aliens, but we can detect their presence from other things. Radio waves that they may send out, for example, or perhaps atmospheric anomalies caused by life. I suggest you read some Carl Sagan, or, if that's too difficult for you, an eighth-grade science textbook.

And this is My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God how?

With the way scientific theories about FTL travel are progressing, it's more than likely that a very solid theory on just how exactly to do it will be forthcoming sometime within the next century, assuming religious fucknauts don't get us all killed before then.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

1- we will never meet aliens, not saying thier not there but considering the fact inter-galactic space travel would take half of the galaxys energy and probably around millions if not billions of years going at the speed of light

2- it would also take a while getting to other solar systems around us, not saying that it cant be done cause it is possible but as far as we know there is none in the surounding solar sytems ruling that one out

3-it would be like finding one needle in a haystack the size of the sun.anyone have anyclue as to how big the our galaxy is? inside our galaxy is billions of stars, think of that and how small we are now picture whatever # comes after a trilion many times over of galaxys insidethe whole universe. pretty damn small!!!

4- life in its self is close to being impossible. all the conditions that have to be met for a planet is completely insane. i cant even list them, cosidering theres so much of them and plus i kinda forget at the moment but none the less theres still plent of them. making life on our planet basicaly a fluke.



wether or not you beleive in aliens it seems we will never meet another life form from another planet, so we can all give up on the alien conspiracy theorys, using them to disprove god, and finding them!!!

ps. for idiots that dont believe me, beleive Einstien when he says it would be impossible to go faster than the speed of light and believe all the scientists (who actually disproves themselves when they say this because they beleive we will meet aliens) that it takes light thousands, millions, and sometimes billions of years for it to reach earth from another star.



pss. GO GOD!!!!

What makes you think other civilizations are not or could not be billions of years ahead of ours?

What makes you think our technology is the peak as far as a civilization can go?

A "fluke" What the fuck kind of answer is that for a christian? WTF happend to: "god did it don't ask why or how!" now that I think about it how dare you use science to try to ultimatly disproove its existance. Your ignorance offends me alone.

and who told you speed restriction had anything to do with this concept?

just saw the time travel post,

ACTUALLY in all likliness proton time travel is possible and might be fully functioning in the next 10-20 years.

I guess this means god is fake?

I actually think I decreased my IQ reading Masta Thief's bullshit.

You are acting just the same as the people who thought Christopher Columbus was a Noob and that he'd get owned after he fell off the earths side since it was flat and that was a 'law' at the time, which has obviously been proven wrong. Einstein was proven wrong before, but that was only because he had to change his theory because the public thought he was wrong, his original theory was correct, I don't have the site for this, I saw it on the discovery channel, I am sure wiki has it though.

How can you say things are impossible? You said it yourself that your exsitence is incredably unlikely, yet here you are. Whether or not God put you here is an entirely different topic. YOU as a member of the human race do not yet have the means of interstellar travel, other than cruising around for hundreds of years in our little space rafts. Maybe these 'aliens' have discovered the same 'laws' and have more 'laws' and different 'laws' ones that are correct, ones that we were incorrect about.

Not to mention they are fucking aliens. Let's hope they aren't reading your messages, I hear the ones by nebulon six are moody. Kinda like the entire race is stuck in pms mode. I'd hate to be you. I dunno what they do, maybe nag you to death, or use a nag laser.

One day your going to figure out:

A: you are not black

B: the god you beleive in does not exist

C: we all laugh at you, the way you laugh at tom cruise.

D: see above

That was uninformed nonsense, of course travel at the speed of light is impossible, but in theory we could take a shortcut to anywhere through other dimensions, e.g. wormholes, or even bend the fabric of space so that point of origin and the destination are closer together then all you would need is a sublight engine and to unfold space again and to the travellers it would seem as though they had travelled at huge multiples of the speed of light. And to address the problem of life existing itself, the odds against it are high, but not impossible, and there are billions of stars in this galaxy, a lot of which we have already determined have planets there are billions of galaxies in this universe, some of which are larger than our own, which stands to reason that there are billions of billions of billions of planets in this universe. The odds against life developing through abiogenesis may be huge, but the odds against happening only once in a universe this big are fucking astronomical, excuse the pun. Therefore it stands to reason, that if humanity continues to evolve and build better technologies (and doesn't wipe itself out with nukes or GM viruses or whatever new WMD we can think of) then we will one day make contact with extra terrestial life, perhaps not intelligent life but life at any rate.

Give me a couple of decades and i will prove that traveling faster than light is possible.

I'm not joking BTW.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:



pay attention in science class sometimes dumbass, the way you defined LAWS would actually be a theory! LAWS are absolute, you cant prove laws wrong, thats why they are called laws!!! and if you listend to me Einstien said traveling back into time is impossible but still being highly doubtful for us to do(im not saying einstien said this part just putting it out there) but please dont get off subject this has nothing to do with time travel. but you still are using theories.

hahahaha you actually think our physics applies to the entire universe. I love it, keep talking, people like you are hilarious. You think you know whats going on because you've been TOLD. Once again in an infinite universe anything that you think is impossible, is happening right now, just happened, and is about to happen again.

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quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Ps. omg i didn't realize this before, time travel was also impossible(Ya sorry for you alien freaks but Einstein also said this). some people say thats not true he just proved going back in time is impossible. well id say going into the future would take as much energy as intergalactic space travel. Impossible. by the way how the hell is time travel going to help aliens find us?[/B]

You stupid stupid person. Einstein did in no way prove time travel impossible. In fact He proved it was possible.

Time travel is not like you see it in the movies kids and here is why. in every equation t=time but, there was no t only (t squared) now, in grade eight you learn that the square root of any number is not only a positive but a negative. Thus proving negative time( or if you are bound by time "going back in time" ). however if we think about this a little further we realize that since we do not have anything as reference to time (nothing that is not bound by time) we cant understand negative time. its even possible that we are currently in negative time.

Now, going faster the light. I would first like to point out that the true statement is "Going faster then light in a vacuum". However the statement should be, nothing can speed up to a higher speed then light, or slow down to a slower speed then light. This is because of the belief that we or bound in time and that at the speed of light time stops. Therefor we stop.

O, and by the way, the bold parts in my quote

are your spelling mistakes.

p.s. DieSmokin, good post.



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Technically, given a big enough timeline, it would be impossible for us not to meet aliens.

Aliens of any specification, nature or technology level.

And then read Shakespeare fresh from the monkey's paw.

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

You sure think you're something special, don't 'cha?

And you assume too much.

1-Who says they cannot travel across time? Who says they can't travel through natural or created wormholes?

2-Same reasoning in one.

3-Why would they be searching for us in the first place. Maybe its accidental? Maybe they can somehow detect life with advanced technology?

4-Life is not an accident, life strives to happen. and in the absence of whats necessary for our kind of life, other life springs up. Like at the heat vents on the floors of the ocean. There have been estimates that almost every solar system has an average of 2 planets habitable for our kind of life. Thats a huge number.

1. Wormholes aren't proven to exist.

FUCKING BITCHES! Again i say to you, do you even kno what the fuck a LAW is? hugh? plus everything you guys say is completely theoretical and doesnt even deserve to be called that since that is not the correct usage of the word, so basically every bit of bullshit you guys say is completely HYPOTHETICAL and not based on any evidence! i love how when we try to prove god you guys try and use science shit to disprove him, but when the table turns you only listen to what you want to happen or what you want to be real! Hypoctitical bastards, you kno what go take the blasphemy test and when you die go to fucking hell!!! we truly dont know which one of us is right evolution or creation, we can only guess, but you know whos safer? me because if im wrong nuthin happens but if im right i go to heaven! you ass holes on the other hand if you get it right it doesnt matter and if you get it wrong you go to hell for all eternity! ill take my chances and go with god!

ps. i aint no fucking wigger!!!

quote:Originally posted by socratic:

1. Wormholes aren't proven to exist.

and yet they are not dis proven. (The previous statement being also the only proof of god.)In fact there is quite a bit of math that supports the theory.(this however is not true with god)



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Science does not yet have enough information to calculate the odds of life on other planets. It could be near zero probability, which means earth is a billion trillion to one lucky shot, OR it may be the universe is packed full of billions of galaxies with billions of planets crawling with aliens. We don't know yet. We don't even know the odds of past life on Mars, and we landed robots there.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

you know who's safer? me because if i am wrong nothing happens but if i am right i go to heaven! you ass holes on the other hand if you get it right it doesn't matter and if you get it wrong you go to hell for all eternity! ill take my chances and go with god!





This logic is flawed. You assume that there is only 2 possibility's however there are many religions.



O, and these "laws" are not set in stone, there are merely accepted as true due to evidence however there is no way to prove them correct. Thus truthfully the term "theory" would be correct.



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quote: A scientific law, or empirical law, is a general principle that is very well supported by evidence such as experimental results and observational data. Typically scientific laws are limited sets of rules that have a well documented history for successfully predicting the outcomes of experiments and observations.

The concept of a scientific law is closely related to the concept of a scientific theory. Typically scientific laws are more limited sets of rules for making predictions about the world than scientific theories.

The physical sciences involve a set of scientific laws, specifically called physical laws. However, the biological sciences also have scientific laws, such as Mendelian inheritance and the Hardy-Weinberg principle found in genetics. Social sciences also contain a number of principles, also called "laws" that are taken as granted in a particular field, though the use of the term "scientific law" is not ordinarily applied outside the natural sciences.

quote: The word theory has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.

In common usage, people often use the word theory to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements that would be true independently of what people think about them.

In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.

Nothing claims that a law can't be disproved. A law in the matter of scientific pupose, is just a theory that's proven to have worked, in some of the times it's been used. According to the normal laws of reality, I cannot put my hand through this desk I am at, without breaking it. Know, we all know that's true, but it's also possible that I could do it without breaking it. Someone earlier said that "universe = infinite, anything can happen, has happened, and is happening."

So to sum it up, laws can disproved, they've only been called a law because they've been known to work in the settings that we've put them in.

Otherwords, shut the fuck up kidiot, you're wrong. All of the basis of proof that you have has just been proved wrong.

quote:Originally posted by turkeysandwich:

Nothing claims that a law can't be disproved. A law in the matter of scientific pupose, is just a theory that's proven to have worked, in some of the times it's been used. According to the normal laws of reality, I cannot put my hand through this desk I am at, without breaking it. Know, we all know that's true, but it's also possible that I could do it without breaking it. Someone earlier said that "universe = infinite, anything can happen, has happened, and is happening."

So to sum it up, laws can disproved, they've only been called a law because they've been known to work in the settings that we've put them in.

Otherwords, shut the fuck up kidiot, you're wrong. All of the basis of proof that you have has just been proved wrong.

yay! finally a response that makes sense

ok, listen to how hypacritical you guys are being! you guys say your theorys(which would actually be called a hypothesis) are better than my laws and theorys!?! SHUT THE FUCK UP! yours are not better than mine but yet mine are better than yours which would be why their title is higher! woohoo i win shut the fuck up!!!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

ok, listen to how hypacritical you guys are being! you guys say your theorys(which would actually be called a hypothesis) are better than my laws and theorys!?! SHUT THE FUCK UP! yours are not better than mine but yet mine are better than yours which would be why their title is higher! woohoo i win shut the fuck up!!!



acording to you: the laws of physics are not laws becuase dietys, men and objects are "holy" and obviouly are not bound by them being able to break them at will.

there, your logic of "laws" buttfucked itself without any vasoline.

And when your 65 and past the point of actually living your life you will regret being a slave to an invisable man or you'll live in delusion your whole life till the very end.

And would a real god really let you make an ass of yourself this frequently?

you know what i dont care any more , but if you guys were smart youd realize i have won but yet you guys still think a law is the same as a theory.!haha wat dumbasses! i just wish we could meet so i could beat the shit out of you assholes, and guess what uh oh ur aliens wouldnt be there to stop me, basically youd be fucked!!! OWNED YOU SIT DOWN WHEN YOU PEE!!!

Gordo signing off

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

ok, listen to how hypacritical you guys are being! you guys say your theorys(which would actually be called a hypothesis) are better than my laws and theorys!?! SHUT THE FUCK UP! yours are not better than mine but yet mine are better than yours which would be why their title is higher! woohoo i win shut the fuck up!!!

Wait, did anybody catch what he said?

I'm not being hypocritical, I'm just proving you wrong. By doing that I proved myself right because, if the two of us are arguing and you're wrong, I must be right. Also because what I said is true, you're just to dumb to listen to anything outside your church group. You have every right to believe what you want, just don't be so singleminded. Please kidiot, for the sake of this forum, get the fuck out.



EDIT: Shut the fuck up nigger mouth, you lost, and if we did meet, I have no problem laying out a sack of shit 12 year old. Even if you are older than that, and bigger than me, I'd just get in my car and hit you with it. Try stopping that with your religion, faggot.

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theres no way to calculate the probability yet. If we find microscopic life on mars, or one of jupitars moons that will mean life is everywhere.

Proof all wiggers once and for all are subhuman and dumber than the average and should be lumped in with actual niggers.

Man, Have you heard anything that was said in this forum??!!? Laws are not set in stone, they are changing every day. They are just ACCEPTED as truth. Nothing more.

now stfu and go jump in front of a bus. You don't even know the laws your talking about. Look at my post actually read it. That is the true law.

finally i could have quoted string theory to prove you wrong or even explain about 100 other "LAWS" to prove you wrong.

By the way, did you happen to actually read Einstein's theory of relativity

so STFU YOU FUCKING WIGGER Learn TO SPELL



And if you hit him with a car, post pics!

maby i didnt make that clear.

Einstein's >>>>>>theory<<<<<< of relativity.

if you look above, its proves that its a theory. This is shown by the >>>>>>theory<<<<<< part of the sentence.



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If you believe in god, then why did you ay life on our planet is a fluke? Also, the conditions we think of that life require to exist, only apply to life forms that we know of, which is only life that exists on earth. Another form of life which is unique from terrestrial life completely could exist on any planet.

quote:Originally posted by perfect chaos:

Time travel is not like you see it in the movies kids and here is why. in every equation t=time but, there was no t only (t squared) now, in grade eight you learn that the square root of any number is not only a positive but a negative. Thus proving negative time( or if you are bound by time "going back in time" ). however if we think about this a little further we realize that since we do not have anything as reference to time (nothing that is not bound by time) we cant understand negative time. its even possible that we are currently in negative time.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif) I'm pretty sure this is, in fact, completely and utterly wrong. If you could provide some sort of source for the statement that "time is t and there was no t only t^2" I would appreciate it. Your concept of negative time seems screwy as well.

quote:Now, going faster the light. I would first like to point out that the true statement is "Going faster then light in a vacuum". However the statement should be, nothing can speed up to a higher speed then light, or slow down to a slower speed then light. This is because of the belief that we or bound in time and that at the speed of light time stops. Therefor we stop.

I would like to point out that this isn't even close to correct. The "true" statement? What? Vacuum has nothing to do with it, either way.

Your second statement is almost as confused. Time is relative: when you go the speed of light, time stops for the rest of the universe relative to you. You, however, would feel normal. You'd also be going the speed of light; you wouldn't stop. Photons go the speed of light, for proof. The reason they can and we can't, however, is that they're massless. The faster you go, the more massive you get, and if you were to go the speed of light you'd have infinite mass - meaning you'd need an infinite amount of energy to propel you. Photons, starting with a mass of 0, don't have this problem.

Edit: I wouldn't be correcting the spelling of others, either, Mr. Therefor. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

but you know whos safer? me because if im wrong nuthin happens but if im right i go to heaven!

Could you imagine a more pathetic last-ditch excuse for believing in fairy tales?

I think that's all they got left to keep the kids coming back to sunday school these days.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by perfect chaos:

Time travel is not like you see it in the movies kids and here is why. in every equation t=time but, there was no t only (t squared) now, in grade eight you learn that the square root of any number is not only a positive but a negative. Thus proving negative time( or if you are bound by time "going back in time" ). however if we think about this a little further we realize that since we do not have anything as reference to time (nothing that is not bound by time) we cant understand negative time. its even possible that we are currently in negative time.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif) I'm pretty sure this is, in fact, completely and utterly wrong. If you could provide some sort of source for the statement that "time is t and there was no t only t^2" I would appreciate it. Your concept of negative time seems screwy as well.

quote:Now, going faster the light. I would first like to point out that the true statement is "Going faster then light in a vacuum". However the statement should be, nothing can speed up to a higher speed then light, or slow down to a slower speed then light. This is because of the belief that we or bound in time and that at the speed of light time stops. Therefor we stop.

I would like to point out that this isn't even close to correct. The "true" statement? What? Vacuum has nothing to do with it, either way.

Your second statement is almost as confused. Time is relative: when you go the speed of light, time stops for the rest of the universe relative to you. You, however, would feel normal. You'd also be going the speed of light; you wouldn't stop. Photons go the speed of light, for proof. The reason they can and we can't, however, is that they're massless. The faster you go, the more massive you get, and if you were to go the speed of light you'd have infinite mass - meaning you'd need an infinite amount of energy to propel you. Photons, starting with a mass of 0, don't have this problem.

Edit: I wouldn't be correcting the spelling of others, either, Mr. Therefor. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)





WOW! FINNALY someone smart!

i think what you mean to type as a title is

>>>>proof that we have never met aliens,and that we never will///?

[by saying the other you sound like youve spent all your life talking in some broken hick dialect]-not only that but your more or less repeating your statement twice

lol as for the rest of this retarded concoction you,ve formed,id have to say you

are suffering from either some sort of new

brain annoerisim due to a lack of severe logical impairment,aka bieng a canuck

or you were on something when you typed out this theory you have

well at least you TRIED making sense i suppose

[please when talking about aliens and the farout wonders of life as well as creation,dont mention any diety's,it just kills it

I don't know where the fuck time travel came into this discussion, and or what it has to do with (directly) us coming in contact with aliens.

Perfect Chaos was wrong, while Twisted_Ferret is correct. Either way, they are both shutting you down "Masta Thief." Twisted_Ferret only validified that going the speed of light is possible. I don't see any direct connection to time travel other than that he(Ferret) is saying that time is relative. Anyway, what it comes down to is that time travel is possible, it's been proven. "Masta Thief" you are horribly, inconcievably and totally wrong. Plus if you are such a good christian, why do you advocate yourself as being a thief. I am pretty damn sure that one of the ten commandments has to do with not stealing. Faggot. (I'm aware that pointless flaming and mud-slinging is unnecessary, but this kid is asking for it, and decided to bring it upon himself by flaming other people.)

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

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http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif) I'm pretty sure this is, in fact, completely and utterly wrong. If you could provide some sort of source for the statement that "time is t and there was no t only t^2" I would appreciate it.



I don't know if i clarified it but by "only t^2" i was meaning in the mathematical equations done by Einstein.

No at the moment i cannot give an online source. Most of my understanding comes from direct conversations with university profs (sp?).

-edit-

However i will try to find one when i get some time.



quote:

Your concept of negative time seems screwy as well.



It is very hard to get the concept of negative time across in text. -t is only a character, we have nothing to compare it to. Thus having no way to know what it means.

quote:I would like to point out that this isn't even close to correct. The "true" statement? What? Vacuum has nothing to do with it, either way.

Well In fact it is true, and the vacuum part of it is very important. We find many particles that travel faster then light in a surrounding medium such as water or air that do not in a vacuum.

The statement was always " faster than the speed of light in vacuum " however people are lazy, so they modified it and dropped a few words to create "Faster then light"

This has nothing to do with the current argument. I just get angry when i see people not giving the full statement.





quote:

Your second statement is almost as confused. Time is relative: when you go the speed of light, time stops for the rest of the universe relative to you. You, however, would feel normal. You'd also be going the speed of light; you wouldn't stop. Photons go the speed of light, for proof. The reason they can and we can't, however, is that they're massless. The faster you go, the more massive you get, and if you were to go the speed of light you'd have infinite mass - meaning you'd need an infinite amount of energy to propel you. Photons, starting with a mass of 0, don't have this problem.



This is true, after further rereading i realize that the that part of my previous statement was indeed worded wrong and partially incorrect. In other words it sounded alot better in my mind and i did get confused.



quote:

Edit: I wouldn't be correcting the spelling of others, either, Mr. Therefor. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)





This i lol'd at good job you made my day.



[This message has been edited by perfect chaos (edited 02-01-2007).]

Troll

quote:I don't know if i clarified it but by "only t^2" i was meaning in the mathematical equations done by Einstein.

No at the moment i cannot give an online source. Most of my understanding comes from direct conversations with university profs (sp?).

-edit-

However i will try to find one when i get some time.

I've never heard of that, but I've never looked at Einstein's equations myself so that doesn't mean anything.

quote:It is very hard to get the concept of negative time across in text. -t is only a character, we have nothing to compare it to. Thus having no way to know what it means.

That is true. It seems like a nonscensical concept... but there are a lot of those in physics, heh.

quote:Well In fact it is true, and the vacuum part of it is very important. We find many particles that travel faster then light in a surrounding medium such as water or air that do not in a vacuum.

The statement was always " faster than the speed of light in vacuum " however people are lazy, so they modified it and dropped a few words to create "Faster then light"

This has nothing to do with the current argument. I just get angry when i see people not giving the full statement.



I'm no physicist, but I'm almost certain this isn't right. If anything, it'd be harder to reach the speed of light in anything more than a vacuum.

quote:This i lol'd at good job you made my day.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

I'm no physicist, but I'm almost certain this isn't right. If anything, it'd be harder to reach the speed of light in anything more than a vacuum.



i also had a hard time getting over this concept. However thats the beauty in light, it seems not have a mass and not have a mass at the same time. For some reason light seems to slow down in water and various other mediums.

I dont know if this will help but its kinda depressing that it shows so many people are losing the vacuum.

http://tinyurl.com/ytk8k2

after further conversation with a few people. i have learned a few more things that will help.

First, There are 2 theory's of Relativity. One termed "general" the other "Special"

General was constructed to explain gravitation.

Special was created to explain the speed of light.

I believe, i may be wrong on this, it was in "Special" that the t^2, or a better way of putting it is the square root of t^2 was included.

Now on to the explanation of "in a vacuum".

In both equations C represents the speed of light in a vacuum. The speed of light is changeable where as c is not.

The way i can explain or show this is to compare it to a "sonic boom".

A sonic boom is created by something moving faster then the speed of sound builds up a Pocket of sound. This pocket then shatters creating the resulting boom.

The same thing happens in a nuclear reactor. The neutron speeds up faster then light, creates the same pocket, then shatters it. This is where the green, or most likely blue light comes from.



Finally my statement about the slowing of time. my supporting evidence is the particle mueons (sp?) This particle is created when cosmic rays hit the atmosphere. Mueons have a very short half-life. an experiment was done where mueons where found at the top of a mountain. Now since they know mueons half-life they should know how many there will be left at the bottom of the mountain.

This was not the case, it turned out there where more mueons at the bottom of the mountain then there should be. This can be interpreted in 2 different ways, one being that the faster you go the slow time goes (this explains the slower half-life) Or that speed dilates the mueons half-life.

This is where my confused statement came from.

However, i don't think our current conversation has much to do with the topic. If you would like to continue the current conversation, email me at aperfect.chaos [at] gmail[dot]com feel free to also email me if you are an on looker just reading and would like to be included.



[This message has been edited by perfect chaos (edited 02-01-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by perfect chaos:

maby i didnt make that clear.

Einstein's >>>>>>theory<<<<<< of relativity.

if you look above, its proves that its a theory. This is shown by the >>>>>>theory<<<<<< part of the sentence.



The word is maybe, and I think you should learn how to fucking differentiate between a theory and a hypothesis.

Masta Thief something from nothing is God, ask yourself where did God come from, thus making anything possible. Let the power and the human imagination last forever.

OMFG SHIT THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.

NO one will ever know what the fuck is going on!!! we will never know if we can create worm holes or travel in time, or go as fast as the speed of light. theories are nothing!!!! there guesses!!! for all we know, we could be doing everything WRONG!!! we have only been born for so long. we have no idea what the fuck is out there. for all we know some advanced cicilization could be inside Mars and waiting for us.....WE-WILL-NEVER-KNOW...the only thing that will let us know is time. thats it. time. so shut the hell up about theories and whos wrong and whos right. if you want to be right, then invent things, make things, find things out. be part of things. CHRIST YOUR FUCKING DUMBASSES

Either you're being sarcastic or don't know the scientific definition of the word 'theory'.

a theory is a "proposed description", or "explantion" of the manner of interaction, capable of "predicting" the future. what this or that might be and why..

quote:In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

Try holding your breathe for life and tell me science is just a guess. Try living your life with no aid from doctors and tell me science is just a guess.

Sure, we can never know 100%, but the scientific theory is the best thing we have for understanding the world.

science is always a guess, until we "do" or "think" we have it right. Are atoms really the smallest thing? Is Energy the only thing that surrounds us? Is there something better in healing this mans cut? Sure, theory is best we have. Guesses. But, people fight and kill over guesses...that on both sides...might be wrong. So hundreds of thousands, millions of people are dependent on guesses. Kind of like the lottery. You get an apple, a beer mug and a cherry...opps, just lot 50,000 people, let's play again. The United States has thousands, hundred of thousands of bombs that could blow up the earth hundreds of times over. Whos choice was that to make so many idiotic bombs that it could destroy our planet, the only planet that we can live on until we can get out of here, then destroy that planet, and the next with the same bombs. what for? gold? gold is a shiney object that conducts electricity. Thats it. Theres nothing else. It's just a rock like everything else. We could have made sand worth billions if it was shiney to. But it's not. Do we care so much about just making bombs instead of making life? Making guesses? People don't take care in what they do, they just do it in regard to other peoples lives, because they think it's for the good of man kind. But did they ask the people who are going to die? Don't just jump to conclusions, don't just take an Ak and shoot the shit out of your knowledge machine because it's to slow to learn. Take time to do things, ask people around you if it's going to affect others and decide if it is a bad thing. And if it is, and you still want to work on it....then make it so it wont hurt people, then use it.

I don’t think you understand science. It is not dogmatic. It takes into account all empirical evidence we’re currently in possession of, makes a hypothesis based off of the evidence, and then tests and retests it. If it passes the tests and continues to pass the tests, then it’s a theory and a fact. It continues to be a fact until new empirical evidence comes along, IF new empirical evidence comes along, that either contradicts it or adds to it. Then it is refined or thrown off as wrong.

A good scientist admits we never know for sure, but it’s the closest we can get to understanding the natural world in a useful manner with all current evidence.

True, thanks to science we have bombs, but we also have many great things too, some of which I have already listed. I don’t think there’s anything we shouldn’t know, which is where the science of how to build a bomb comes in, but I think there are things we shouldn’t do, such as actually building a nuclear bomb.

Science is seeing that a ball drops to the ground whenever you let go of it and then saying “a ball drops to the ground whenever I let go of it and this is true unless evidence comes along and contradicts it.” If a ball is let go and goes upwards instead of down, the theory is altered.

Religion is not bothering to let go of the ball and saying “the ball will always fall upwards”. Then, when someone shows you it falls down, denying it ever doing so and shooting the person who dropped the ball.

That’s the difference between science and dogmatism.





[This message has been edited by Hare_Geist (edited 02-11-2007).]

Another ignorant idiot.

1. The speed of light is not the maxium speed. In another century i bet we will have discovered faster means of possible travel. Oh and don't forget wormholes yes they are scientifically possible just because we haven't seen them doesnt mean they don't exist.

2. Pretty much same as above.

3. With more advance technology we will discover more planets like earth, oh and who ever sayed life needed a earth like planet to evolve. Don't be so ignorant.

4. There are a infinate amount of planets in our universe so how can you say the odds are a million too 1, well those are good odds with 100000000000 billion planets. Oh and life evolving on this planet is pretty much proof that it can evolve else where in our universe.

Pretty much the op is just a ignorant simpletion who can't accept how insignificant we really are and that "aliens" do exist and would have the means to visit us. Think about it, humanity took what like 100 million years to get to where we are now, so how fucking advanced are life forums going to be who gained intelligence say 1 billion years after the big bang. The speed of light no obstical.

whoops!

http://media.putfile.com/Was-God-An-Astronaut

quote:Originally posted by Severedset:

OMFG SHIT THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.

NO one will ever know what the fuck is going on!!! we will never know if we can create worm holes or travel in time, or go as fast as the speed of light. theories are nothing!!!! there guesses!!! for all we know, we could be doing everything WRONG!!! we have only been born for so long. we have no idea what the fuck is out there. for all we know some advanced cicilization could be inside Mars and waiting for us.....WE-WILL-NEVER-KNOW...the only thing that will let us know is time. thats it. time. so shut the hell up about theories and whos wrong and whos right. if you want to be right, then invent things, make things, find things out. be part of things. CHRIST YOUR FUCKING DUMBASSES

Shut the fuck up you nihlist faggot. Tell me why this forum is still up? It was started by a troll.

quote:Originally posted by Severedset:

CHRIST YOUR FUCKING DUMBASSES

Oh God the irony!

quote:Originally posted by Myself:

Oh God the irony!

Double irony!

o_O

Either way, I think Masta Theif's a troll. No way anyone could be that stupid.

dude, those same scientists that your whole theory is bassed on have been proved wrong before, and besides, if the universe is un-ending, there must be other intelligent life forms, and, ways that they can detect us here. i think that as long as we dont blow ourselves up, its inevitable that we will come in contact with aliens at some point in time.

quote:Originally posted by corruptgoldfish:

...as long as we dont blow ourselves up...

Its happened before, and we have the ability to do it again.

And we're talking way back there.