I once said on another thread that the muslim's rabid hatred for the jews is everywhere.

This sums up a lot of it, it is a supurb compilation of historical facts, muslim quotes, and muhammad's sunna.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

I once said on another thread that the muslim's rabid hatred for the jews is everywhere.

This sums up a lot of it, it is a supurb compilation of historical facts, muslim quotes, and muhammad's sunna.

h ttp://www. terrorisma wareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/ (http: //www.terr orismaware ness.org/i slamic-mei n-kampf/)

The percentage of the world wide Muslim population which subscribe to these extreme views is so small.

The Iranian government doesn't represent the Iranian population who are more secular in their beliefs.

Comparing the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to Islamic fundamentalists is as a whole, absurd.

You really think that a religion with 1.3 billion subscribers, a TINY percentage of whom are extremists in their beliefs could take over the world and wipe out entire populations? come now....even youre not as stupid as that.

And what was the tiny percentage of Germans that Hitler used to take control of the entire country?

Fine lets suppose for a second that every Muslim in the world is a Jew hating potential mass-murderer one step away from commiting acts of terrorism and genocide.

How do you suggest we solve this problem?

What actions should we take?

Anyone?

so us non-jews and non-americans can just sit back and enjoy the popcorn while you guys bomb eachother?

so these muslims want to kill me? hmm...good thing Americans can tote guns! Im gonna buy one, thankfully my b-day is on Saturday.

And Jews don't hate Muslims? Come on now if that was the case Palestine wouldn't be an issue and everyone would be sleeping in peace in Gaza tonight.

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

so these muslims want to kill me? hmm...good thing Americans can tote guns! Im gonna buy one, thankfully my b-day is on Saturday.

Happy Birthday!

CrazyJ32 does nothing but posts endless threats in which he hates muslims. http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnazium.html

[This message has been edited by Lamabot (edited 02-02-2007).]

I didn't even read past the part where it mentions Jihad, they don't even know what the fuck it is. Jihad was around in Mohamed's time. BTW: Muslim isn't a religion, but islam is.

quote:among_the_living wrote:

The percentage of the world wide Muslim population which subscribe to these extreme views is so small.

Not as small as you think, or atleast according to PEW polls.

quote:among_the_living wrote:

The Iranian government doesn't represent the Iranian population who are more secular in their beliefs.

They apparently represent a vast majority. Have you seen the vast crowds cherring their leadership while saying "Death to America!" and "Death to Israel!"

And yes, I know there is a large minority stongly opposed to the regime. They protest in the streets saying things like "Death to terrorism" and are mostly college students. Amidinutjob was at a campus once and a group of students started booing him and protesting him. Then a larger group started booing the protestors. I think a fight broke out.

quote:among_the_living wrote:

Comparing the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to Islamic fundamentalists is as a whole, absurd.

Not according to the pics and vids Iv seen of zealots around the globe shooting guns and chanting to the banter of terrorism, antisemitism, etc, carrying signs like "God Bless Hitler." Not according to the fact thet "Mein Kaph" is a best seller in places like palestein and Saudi.

quote:among_the_living wrote:

You really think that a religion with 1.3 billion subscribers, a TINY percentage of whom are extremists in their beliefs could take over the world and wipe out entire populations?

First of all it is only a tiny percent that actually do these things. The rest are either against it or support it with donations, protests, etc. It was only a tiny minority of germany that went out and killed people too.

On your second point they are doing it right now. Google Dafur genocide. Google hindu holocaust. Google turkish genocide (1920s)

quote:among_the_living wrote:

come now....even youre not as stupid as that.

I used to be. But I have researched these facts. These facts are not known to most people because the media either doesn't care or is too scared to expose "the religion of peace." However they are still facts.

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

Fine lets suppose for a second that every Muslim in the world is a Jew hating potential mass-murderer one step away from commiting acts of terrorism and genocide.

At this point in time most arn't ready to kill. However a large number of them are psyching themselves up with violent protest and many if not most are cowards at heart.

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

How do you suggest we solve this problem?

What actions should we take?

There is no action you or I could take that would have any (positive) affect, nor anyone else here unless they are a politician. The only thing we can do is spread the word so government candidates can be swayed to take precautious measures when dealing with TROP, such as stronger immigration policies or mosque monitoring.

quote:Yango Yango Wrote:

And Jews don't hate Muslims?

Of course they do. They are tired of being attacked with rockets, cafe bombings, bus bombings, and suicide bombings. They are tired of giving up land to the barbarians only for them to use it against Israel in their never ending jihad against the jews. They are tired of seeing them sew hatred for jews in their young children, they are tired of hearing palestinian todlers say they want to be shahida and to kill jews. They are tired of hearing pali politicians claim Israel must be given completely to muslims while the citizens agree. They are tired of seeing billions of dollars given to them be used to purchase weapons as opposed to rebuilding their "country." Their nurses and doctors are tired of being spat in the face (literally) after healing palestinians. Their military is tired of dealing with their endless hostilities, hatred, stoning, and attacks. Their military is tired of quashing agression only to see women and children line up in front of the terrorists to form human sheilds. The jews are tired of the daily pali ritual of making fake "news clips" of IDF soldiers shooting up pali kids for half an hour.

Some of the jews hate them because they are tired. Period.

quote:Yango Wang Wrote:Come on now if that was the case Palestine wouldn't be an issue and everyone would be sleeping in peace in Gaza tonight.

See above. You may also want to check this out.

http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php

quote:kenshiro_kid

I didn't even read past the part where it mentions Jihad, they don't even know what the fuck it is.

The word jihad means struggle, some historians say it used to mean inner struggle. Some islamic apologists claim that "inner struggle" is the context it is used in the quran.

The latter is not true. There are many quranic and hadith verses where jihad is used in sentances including other words such as "fight", "torture", "behead", "kill", etc.

Here are a few samples, but there are many more:

quote:Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."

Bukhari:V4B52N44 "A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.'"

Bukhari:V1B2N25 "Allah's Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?' He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.' The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?' He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.'"

Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."

Bukhari:V4B53N412 "Allah's Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N311 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘There is no migration after the Conquest of Mecca, but only Jihad. When you are called by the Muslim ruler for Jihad fighting, you should go forth immediately, responding to the call.'"

Muslim:C28B20N4631 "I heard Muhammad say: ‘I would not stay behind when a raid for Jihad was being mobilized unless it was going to be too hard on the believers. I love that I should be killed in Allah's Cause; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again.'"

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."

I hope you wern't implying that I am the one ignorant of the word.



[This message has been edited by CrazyJ32 (edited 02-02-2007).]

So how are they gonna get all their millions with AKs to the US?

They might have the brainpower, the manpower and the firepower.

But they don't have nough transportation/equipment

Great soundtrack BTW

Of course there is anti-Semitism in the Middle East. That doesn't mean that a majority of Muslims are aligned that way. Governments like Iran and Saudi Arabia have widespread economic problems, so what do they do to address this? They blame somebody else, almost always Israel. But since neither of the countries border Israel, they cut the middle man and head straight for the promotion of anti-Semitism. I've seen very disgusting cartoons that prove this. Some Arab leaders aligned themselves with the Axis powers in WW2, despite how the Nazis viewed Arabs as inferior. But there were also thousands of Albanian Muslims who allowed Jews into their homes and mosques to avoid death camps. I've also read several articles by American Imams and Muslim websites that speak out against Ahmedinejad. And as for the Darfur genocide, it isn't a genocide of Non-Muslims, it's a genocide of Blacks, many of whom are Muslim themselves. The basis of this horror is the fact that Arab tribes are being told to raid Blacks villagers in order to acquire land. It's actually Pan-Arabism on steroids. And the concept of Jihad has been blown out of proportion by Islamic militant leaders. Jihad used to mean a struggle of any kind to defend Islam, and was only used when the faith was under direct assault. A majority of this intolerance can be pinned on Wahhabi, an 18th century "Muslim" who spread an arch-conservative interpretation of Islam. Years later, Abdullah Tariki once tried to promote a liberal reform in Islam in 1962, he was promplty removed from his position in the Saudi foreign ministry. Liberal democratic reform was not what the Saudi royals had in mind. Militant Islamism has spread across the world ever since the Iranian revolution in 1979. But nowadays, despite the ravings of crazed supporters of Ahmedinejad, West-leaning youths are growing in numbers in Iran, women are gaining far more liberty, and mullahs are often heckled on the streets. What the President is doing is an arrogant and desperate attempt at uniting Iran. According to many observers, this is a lost cause. Anyone interested in the problems of Islam and how they must overcome them should look for the books: The Problem with Islam Today; and The Great Theft (Wresting Islam from the Extremists).

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

There is no action you or I could take that would have any (positive) affect, nor anyone else here unless they are a politician. The only thing we can do is spread the word so government candidates can be swayed to take precautious measures when dealing with TROP, such as stronger immigration policies or mosque monitoring.]

How does that "solve" anything. If Islam is as foul as you describe, an ideology comparable to Nazism in other words how will that save the world? Would we have won world war two if we had just strengthened our immigration policies and and monitored citizens of germanic descent?

If Islam is as decadent, warmongering, and expansionist as you describe then the only logical action is to go out and kill or convert every Muslim in the world. Are you suggesting that such a course of action is necessary? After all if things are as dire as you imply then theres no room for half measures.

If you're not suggesting such an action is necessary and Islam does not pose such a threat why should we be concerned with Islam and why are you flooding this forum with anti-islamic propaganda?

quote:Orillian wrote:

So how are they gonna get all their millions with AKs to the US?

They might have the brainpower, the manpower and the firepower.

But they don't have nough transportation/equipment

Well they're gonna have to leave the AK's behind but the european governments give them a virtual free pass to eurabia. Once they get there they build mega mosques, sometimes in rural areas, and teach hatred for us kufars. They go on violent cartoon protests and breed like rabbits. Current demographics indicate an exploding muslim population in europe right now, with a higher propensity for violence, sharia, killings, intollerence in areas with over 15% population. I recall somebody claiming 15% is the critical mass point, where once peaceful muslims become nasty and demanding.

quote:Shitty Wok Wrote:

Of course there is anti-Semitism in the Middle East. That doesn't mean that a majority of Muslims are aligned that way. Governments like Iran and Saudi Arabia have widespread economic problems, so what do they do to address this? They blame somebody else, almost always Israel.

Yeah thats a nice theory, I bet having antisemitic things in their scriptures makes it even easier for them.

quote:Shutty Wok Said:

But since neither of the countries border Israel, they cut the middle man and head straight for the promotion of anti-Semitism. I've seen very disgusting cartoons that prove this.

Or they cut straight to the quran verses that claim the jews are out to get muslims, that they are treacherous, cannot be trusted, are evil, and must be killed in the end of days.

Islamic prophecy claims that in the end of days jews will be completely wiped out by muslims, proving this is easy, and they now believe they are in the end of days. They have pretty good reasons to believe this, especially since they think islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, they fund many mosques in the west, and are prosytelizing islam everywhere. Islamic prophecy also indicates the world will become an islamic state in the end of days, another thing they aim to achieve, and with exploding muslim populations in democratic nations this totalitarian dream is becomming a reality.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

Some Arab leaders aligned themselves with the Axis powers in WW2, despite how the Nazis viewed Arabs as inferior.

And do you know why? Because good ol' adolf told the mufti of jerusalem that this is, above anything else, a war against jewry. So thousands of muslims became SS troops and helped to kill many jews.



quote:Shitty Wok Said:

But there were also thousands of Albanian Muslims who allowed Jews into their homes and mosques to avoid death camps.

That was nice of them but it in no way eliminates the hatred ingrained in the quran and hadith.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

I've also read several articles by American Imams and Muslim websites that speak out against Ahmedinejad.

Ahhh but you left out the fact that most muslims are sunni and ahmedinutjob is a shi'it, a heretic according to sunnis. Heck, atleast half the muslims I know disaprove of him but eagerly support other nut-job regims like the UIC (sunni, alquada ties) in Ethieopia.

quote:Shitty Wok Wrote:

And as for the Darfur genocide, it isn't a genocide of Non-Muslims, it's a genocide of Blacks, many of whom are Muslim themselves. The basis of this horror is the fact that Arab tribes are being told to raid Blacks villagers in order to acquire land. It's actually Pan-Arabism on steroids.

Yup. Many of those blacks are muslims. Many of them are also christian, Iv heard of several cases out there where the black christians were crucified on trees. But before you say this isn't islamic dont forget: Antisemitism isn't the only form of racism in islamic scripture. There is also anti-black bigotry, just more subtle, such as muhammad's claim that "abraham" prayed the african's skin color would change so their decendents could be slaves of the muhammadans, muhammad owned slaves himself.

Muhammad also said that Djibril told him that a black man's heart is more gross than a donkey's.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

And the concept of Jihad has been blown out of proportion by Islamic militant leaders. Jihad used to mean a struggle of any kind to defend Islam, and was only used when the faith was under direct assault.

So I have heard from many muslims. If this is the case than muhammad himself allows a very broad definition of "defensive war." Such as raiding a caravan or jewish village to use the booty to buy weapons. To "defend" islam from the peaceful pagans in mecca that muhammad signed a treaty with. (That he later broke.)

So if by "defensive" you mean killing people to steal their goods and use them to force islam on others than, sure, I guess it is defensive.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

Militant Islamism has spread across the world ever since the Iranian revolution in 1979. But nowadays, despite the ravings of crazed supporters of Ahmedinejad, West-leaning youths are growing in numbers in Iran,

Yes, that is true. Iv always wondered though wether the majority of these youth are muslims or not. I once heard somewhere that a growing number of people in Iran are leaving the death cult.



quote:Shitty Wok Said:

(in Iran) women are gaining far more liberty,

Tell that to nazinine.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

and mullahs (in Iran) are often heckled on the streets.

Really? Than this is good news indeed. Do you have any links?

(Thanks in advance)

quote:FunkyZombie wrote:

If Islam is as foul as you describe, an ideology comparable to Nazism in other words how will that (raising political awareness; immigration controll and mosque monitoring) save the world? Would we have won world war two if we had just strengthened our immigration policies and and monitored citizens of germanic descent?

Well your right. More needs to be done such as stifling nuclear proliferation in the ME.

quote:FunkyZombie wrote:

If Islam is as decadent, warmongering, and expansionist as you describe then the only logical action is to go out and kill or convert every Muslim in the world. Are you suggesting that such a course of action is necessary? After all if things are as dire as you imply then theres no room for half measures.

Well it (hypotheticly) could make the world a safer place but it would be monstrously unfair, atleast the killing part. Many if not most muslims in the west are blissfully unaware of the insanity of islam. Others willingly choose to ignore the mean stuff. It would be a gross injustice to simple kill these people.

Now converting? I should have thought of that. That is a good idea, just not by force. So now I add that to the list, finding muslims and asking them questions about their faith. Such questions will get their mind rolling and potentially lead to their apostacy. Ask them things like "Does Islam really ban adoption? If so why?" "Does islam really mandate the wife be beaten for disobedience? If so why?" "Does islam really condone pedophilia? If so why?" "Does islam really say the sun sets in a muddy pool?" "Did muhammad really massacre 800 innocent jews? If so why?" "Does islam really mandate capital punishment for apostates? If so why?" "Does islam really mandate oppression for non-muslims in an islamic state? If so why?" "Does the quran really forbid it be questioned or intrepreted? If so why?" Etc. Etc. Etc.

I could come up with dozens of difficult questions like this that could make muslims question islam.

But what your really wondering now is "Why? Why try to make these ordinary people leave islam?"

My answer is simple. With the explosion os islam in europe and america, and the redicalization of these muslims, it is only a matter of time before the civil war/riots/real fights break out between muslims and kufars. (Unless the kufar is willing to be subjugated? In some cases I wouldn't be surprised, IE spain or france) By converting muslims away from islam you not only decrease the chances of this happening but you gain somebody on your side, as opposed to the other side. And I know many moderates and have no doubt that most of them will choose the wrong side when it hits the fan.

Kill all muslims!

http://tinyurl.com/23porv

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

How do you suggest we solve this problem?

What actions should we take?

Help the muslims kill all jews, then we can be friends!

Yeah... hey...

You guys are joking right?