Source (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007050677,00.html)

Looks like palestinians arn't the only ones...

quote:Iran Children - Taught to HATE

By TOM NEWTON DUNN

Defence Editor

February 03, 2007



KIDS as young as five in Iran are being brainwashed into dying as martyrs by “children’s books” full of violence and anti-Western hatred, The Sun can reveal.

While British youngsters are brought up reading harmless stories about characters like Biff and Chip, young Iranians are being poisoned by a curriculum of hate.

The graphic, blood-spattered books are designed to poison a generation of young minds against Israel, the US and Britain.

In contrast, British primary schoolkids are taught to read with the help of wholesome characters such as Biff, her twin brother Chip, their pals and Floppy the dog.

The Iranian hate books encourage self sacrifice like suicide bombing as a duty for everyone.

In one book for seven-year-olds called Let’s Read, a passage says: “The Israeli officer pounded Muhammad’s head with his rifle’s stock and his warm blood was sprinkled upon Khaled’s hands.”

Another book has a series of cartoons where an ugly and fat Jew, dubbed “The Contaminator”, is beaten and chased out of town.

And a book for eight-year-olds dubbed Defence Readiness shows a photo of a young boy firing a rocket-propelled grenade.

There are also pictures of boy martyr volunteers and women in veils clutching AK47 rifles.



Lessons in war ... in a school book called Defence Readiness, this boy is firing a rocket-propelled grenade

Lessons in war ... in a school book called Defence Readiness,

this boy is firing a rocket-propelled grenade

Britain is blamed for a huge amount of the world’s current ills.

A book called History of Iran and the World says: “England chose various means, beginning with deceit and ending in murder and massacre, until they eventually took control over India.”

The books were smuggled out of Iran and translated by Israeli-based think tank the Centre for Monitoring the Impact of Peace.

Its director Dr Arnon Groiss said: “It’s an educational system preparing schoolchildren for war and martyrdom. They provide an example of a hate curriculum and develop a siege mentality.”

Iran is a country that has it's problems and poses a threat to the interests of America in the Mid-East region. With that said that article seems a bit wacky.

Firstly

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

A book called History of Iran and the World says: “England chose various means, beginning with deceit and ending in murder and massacre, until they eventually took control over India.”

I don't see the proble with an Iranian textbook teaching that the British conquered India.

That is after all how England took control of India. It's not like the Indians said "here take over our various kingdoms that we may join the British Empire please".

Also I find it odd that the article described the textbook as "smuggled out of Iran". It's a textbook not state secrets I doubt Iranian customs is going to make a big deal about it.

Yeah, every country has its problems and with this country it is islam.

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

I don't see the proble with an Iranian textbook teaching that the British conquered India.

That is after all how England took control of India.

Firstly you negleted to mention the jew-hatred it preached.

Secondly it only mentions this to inspire more hatred.

Thirdly the muslims ravished india for 1200 years and did way more damage than england. England atleast allowed freedom of religion whereas islam killed hindus for being hindus.

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

Also I find it odd that the article described the textbook as "smuggled out of Iran". It's a textbook not state secrets I doubt Iranian customs is going to make a big deal about it.

Well that shows your lack of knowledge of a country that killes little girls for being rape. It shows your lack of knowledge that they issued a death fatwa on Salman Rushdie for writing an islam-critical book and killed his translator.

You think that by burying your head in the sand and appeasing the jihadists will make the problem go away? If this is how your country fights this epidemic than you have a painful lesson to learn.

sounds like jesus camp, evangelical christian preachers to me

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quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

sounds like jesus camp, evangelical christian preachers to me

And that sounds like a false analogy. Do these evangelical christians teach their children how to use rocket launchers?

Do they teach them to hate jews/arabs/anybody? Do they lie to them and tell them a race or group of people hunts down christian children for the sole purpose of killing them?

If so is this really even true?

Huh. For some reason I dont think so but I think you have made a fallacy.

^^^^

jesus camp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

They dont have to give them rocket launchers. The U.S military will do that, and give them money while doing it.

http://www.billygraham.org/

Billy graham association of evangelicals has a couple hundred thousand followers and he has openly stated he is waiting and praying for nuclear war because that will be the time when the jews will be wiped of the planet.

This is just fundMENTAList Islam. Ahmedinejad is facing grwoing opposition from smarter, moderate, West-leaning Muslims who recognize his foolishness for what it is. The power of the mullah is waning.

Im soooo scared.

I watched your youtube video and saw happy kids and parents, rejoicing in their faith. I also saw kids with camo paint on their faces dancing to some sort of combat dance with drumsticks in their hands.

Thats muuuuchhh scarier than trying on suicide belts. Thats muuuuch scarier than the films of kids defiantly proclaiming their lust for death and destruction.

I also saw no hate speach for other races or religions, including jews. Please point me out to whatever this was that I missed.

I also went to billygram.com and found no evidence that they will get military weapons, please show me where I am wrong about that.



On a side note, someone on the utube video made this outrageous claim that evangelicals account for 20% of the population? No way in hell. I live here, I would know.

you didnt find the jesus camp fucked up. A kid said he was saved when he was 5. What the choice of cheerios and froot loops was too much.

There teaching kids that jesus is returning in there life time. Get ready to be soldiers of jesus to defeit your enemies. They say teach the kids dont worry about global warming, nothing matters, jesus is returning. Its a 2 hour documentary made by them. Theres parts where 5 year old kids are crying and shacking and seizuring on the ground because the adults are screaming at them saying they sinned against god.

If the US military excepted 5 year olds these people would put there kids in right away. So they have to brainwash them untill there old enough to enlist. Its the same fucken thing. I fell bad for those kids.

also the worshiping of the bush pictures is fucked up aswell.

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quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Im soooo scared.

I watched your youtube video and saw happy kids and parents, rejoicing in their faith. I also saw kids with camo paint on their faces dancing to some sort of combat dance with drumsticks in their hands.

Thats muuuuchhh scarier than trying on suicide belts. Thats muuuuch scarier than the films of kids defiantly proclaiming their lust for death and destruction.

I also saw no hate speach for other races or religions, including jews. Please point me out to whatever this was that I missed.

I also went to billygram.com and found no evidence that they will get military weapons, please show me where I am wrong about that.



On a side note, someone on the utube video made this outrageous claim that evangelicals account for 20% of the population? No way in hell. I live here, I would know.

Evangelicals have done far scarier things than this. Like Jerry Falwell blaming gays and the ACLU for 9/11, or a 'Christian' political advocate claiming that homosexuality should be a capital offense. I tell you, if this country had high poverty rates and a degraded social structure, like all of the Middle East, these zealots would have been attacking gays.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:you didnt find the jesus camp fucked up. A kid said he was saved when he was 5. What the choice of cheerios and froot loops was too much.

Well I agree that it is fucked up. These zealots make the rest of look like idiots, seriously.

Whenever I see something about them I hang my head in shame.

quote:Booz Hound Wrote:

There teaching kids that jesus is returning in there life time. Get ready to be soldiers of jesus to defeit your enemies. They say teach the kids dont worry about global warming, nothing matters, jesus is returning. Its a 2 hour documentary made by them. Theres parts where 5 year old kids are crying and shacking and seizuring on the ground because the adults are screaming at them saying they sinned against god.

Well on one hand they do have ample reason to believe he is "returning" soon. Nearly every major global incident was "prophecised" by the NT, such as travel, communication, global warming, storms, Israel, the problem with the ME (apparently every muslim country in the ME was predicted to rise up against jerusalem), etc. All this stuff is supposed to happen in the end of days right before jesus' "return."

Ofcourse the muslims have similar prophecies (especially shi'its) only according to their books everything is backwards, like their "messiah" bring a 7-year peace treaty wheras the christian "antichrist" is supposed to do the that.

On the other hand the bible also states that the great suffering will be inflicted upon all people, regaurdless of race, religion, location, etc, just in different levels, like some will have more disease whilst others will have more war, etc. These "christians" are blowing this whole thing out of proportion, they say "global warming" is god's plan, etc.

Were I a christian I would intrepret islam to be the antichrist religion based on what I know about its teachings and what the bible says about the "antichrist" and how he will use "prostration" (bowing down to the floor, salat) to "weaken the masses. The bible also says the "beast" or "antichrist" will place his throne on the "most sacred of mounts," and if that is to be intrepreted literally than that refers to the the muslim "Al-Aksa Mosque" on the hebrew temple mount in jerusalem.

(there are dozens more ominous prophecies that indight islam as the antichrist's "religion" I will not be delving into it as I am not a christian, unless this ticles your interest maybe.)

I truly hope these christians dont think jews are the "antichrist" or the "devil" because if so than their minds are truly warped and their intrepretaion of the bible is even more warped.

quote:Booze Hound Wrote:

If the US military excepted 5 year olds these people would put there kids in right away. So they have to brainwash them untill there old enough to enlist. Its the same fucken thing. I fell bad for those kids.

Oh. I didn't think of it that way, but regaurdless, these christians will have to undergoe military brainwashing when they go through boot camp. (Iv been there and they do brainwash you) Either way this does not scare me as they will have to obey their CEOs, they also don't have the "suicide" option like the muslims so disobedience will have its consequences.

quote:Booze Hound Said:

also the worshiping of the bush pictures is fucked up aswell.

Really? Is this in the video? If so I will watch it one more time.

Thats reallly fucked up if true.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

Evangelicals have done far scarier things than this. Like Jerry Falwell blaming gays and the ACLU for 9/11,

Crazy conspiracy theorist idiots. Muslims think it was the jews. They all belong in the same looney bin.

quote:Shitty Wok Said:

or a 'Christian' political advocate claiming that homosexuality should be a capital offense. I tell you, if this country had high poverty rates and a degraded social structure, like all of the Middle East, these zealots would have been attacking gays.

Thats possible. Christendome was never exactly a beacon of tollerence in the olden days either.

What these idiots fail to realize is that the term "christian" is latin for "little christ." The pagans of Rome dubed them this in mockery of their emulation for the self-sacrificing man called christ. They got this title because of their humble attitude, they allowed women to be priestests and gave them equal rights and respect.

Jesus prevented the death by stoning of a young girl wheras muhammad ordered the stoning of a different girl that confessed to him for being an adulteress. Jesus condemned the self-righteous while comending the humble self-depricating soul. These are not real christians as real christians know that self-righteousness was a virtue condemned by jesus.

EDIT: Actually being a christian is very hard as Jesus himself ordered to "turn the other cheek." Jesus taught people to respect others and to treat them as you would have them treat you.

I honestly think athiests make better "christians" than christians themselves, although I know a few exceptions.

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See? Christian zealots are batshit insane as well. BTW, I don't think the anti-Christ religion would have supported charity. Personally, I think al-Wahhabi was the anti-Christ, for his inspiration of extremism.

quote:Originally posted by shitty wok:

See? Christian zealots are batshit insane as well. BTW, I don't think the anti-Christ religion would have supported charity. Personally, I think al-Wahhabi was the anti-Christ, for his inspiration of extremism.

Al-Whahabbi mearly reinforced the teachings and actions of "the prophet." He quoted books that heve been in islam's existence since ~130 years after "the prophet's" death, including the quran.

Wahabi didn't invent "prostration." Wahabi didn't place a mosque on the temple mount either.

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you'll have to search for more clips, i think they show the george bush warshiping on some clips where its being covered on the news.

These prophecies you talk about are all in the interpriter though. It doesnt clearly state things. The bible has been translated so many times its lost any specific details.

prophecies are bullshit, nostradamus being the worst, chang this letter to this, this number can also mean this letter, this word can be switched around, you can loose the vowels, a T can also be changed to any letter you want etc. You can make it say whatever the fuck you want it to say.

When translating languages in the bibles case. 1 word can mean 5 things in the next language. The next language might not have that word. THe first language might have 3 meaning of what plural is. Past present and future can change, one language might not have a present. Its up to the individual translator to make judgments on what things mean

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Al-Whahabbi mearly reinforced the teachings and actions of "the prophet." He quoted books that heve been in islam's existence since ~130 years after "the prophet's" death, including the quran.

Wahabi didn't invent "prostration." Wahabi didn't place a mosque on the temple mount either.



Wahhabi taught and promoted extremist Islamism. He never focused on the moderate parts of Islam.

And Im of the position that "moderate islam" died when muhammad reached ~55.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:These prophecies you talk about are all in the interpriter though. It doesnt clearly state things. The bible has been translated so many times its lost any specific details.

Ahh I dont know. This bible I read about all this stuff was pretty old. Perhaps I will crack open a king james and see what it says about these prophecies.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Ahh I dont know. This bible I read about all this stuff was pretty old. Perhaps I will crack open a king james and see what it says about these prophecies.

If you want the true meaning of the bible learn ancient hebrew. Ow wait we dont even understand it.

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Yeah, every country has its problems and with this country it is islam.

Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

I don't see the proble with an Iranian textbook teaching that the British conquered India.

That is after all how England took control of India.

Firstly you negleted to mention the jew-hatred it preached.

Secondly it only mentions this to inspire more hatred.

Thirdly the muslims ravished india for 1200 years and did way more damage than england. England atleast allowed freedom of religion whereas islam killed hindus for being hindus.

Funky Zombie Wrote:

Also I find it odd that the article described the textbook as "smuggled out of Iran". It's a textbook not state secrets I doubt Iranian customs is going to make a big deal about it.

Well that shows your lack of knowledge of a country that killes little girls for being rape. It shows your lack of knowledge that they issued a death fatwa on Salman Rushdie for writing an islam-critical book and killed his translator.

You think that by burying your head in the sand and appeasing the jihadists will make the problem go away? If this is how your country fights this epidemic than you have a painful lesson to learn.



What on earth are you talking about?

I failed to mention the Jew hatred as it's irrelevant to my point that the statement that is being criticized is factually correct. The fact that it's being mentioned "to promote hatred" is also irrelevant.

Also who cares that Muslim invaders may have been more cruel then the British invaders (which is debateable by the way)? That's irrelevant. The article acts as if the British thievery and conquest of India is a propaganda hoax solely created by the Iranian Board of Education. Which is patently false. Britain did conquer India through deception, and violence. No amount of colonial apologism can obscure that fact.

Finally I fail to see what Salman Rushdie and Iran's scummy "morality laws" have to do with the fact that it's doubtful that a children's textbook is considered controlled information in Iran. Why would they prevent someone to from taking such a textbook out of the country? To keep it a secret that Iran is an anti-semitic revolutionary state? Considering they broadcast these facts to the world I don't think that's one of their concerns. In fact it seems more like they're proud of it and want people to know.

Iran is a corrupt nation run by theocratic despots. There's no need to make up things to make them look bad,in fact doing so only destroys our own credibility.

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quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

What on earth are you talking about?

I failed to mention the Jew hatred as it's irrelevant to my point that the statement that is being criticized is factually correct. The fact that it's being mentioned "to promote hatred" is also irrelevant.

Also who cares that Muslim invaders may have been more cruel then the British invaders (which is debateable by the way)? That's irrelevant. The article acts as if the British thievery and conquest of India is a propaganda hoax solely created by the Iranian Board of Education. Which is patently false. Britain did conquer India through deception, and violence. No amount of colonial apologism can obscure that fact.

I fail to see your point. Are you trying to imply these books arn't designed to inspire hatred in little kids? If so how?

Perhaps you misentrepreted the article. Why dont you visit the link, it compares the hatred in these books, such as a jew called "the contaminator," to other books like the UK's popular "Biff and Chip." Keep in mind these are children's books.

Do you understand now?

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

Finally I fail to see what Salman Rushdie and Iran's scummy "morality laws" have to do with the fact that it's doubtful that a children's textbook is considered controlled information in Iran. Why would they prevent someone to from taking such a textbook out of the country? To keep it a secret that Iran is an anti-semitic revolutionary state?

I dont know but I dont doubt it either. Perhaps it has something to do with the countries insane policies? How do you think the "smugglers" got out of Iran? Teleportation? On foot?

No. They had to pass through customs. And customs run by a psychotic regime can be expected to arrest people for something like this.

Is it really hard to believe that these books were concealed from customs out of fear?

Another point, this invalidates the content of the children's stories how?

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

Considering they broadcast these facts to the world I don't think that's one of their concerns. In fact it seems more like they're proud of it and want people to know.

Talking to you is like pulling teeth, you are by far one of the most stubborn people Iv had the mispleasure to debate with. Everything I do is "racist" or "bigoted." Everything I say is an attempt to cause riots and death against muslims.

You live in Europe, right? I imagine you are either english (#1 guess), french or spanish. I imagine you live in this area because these countries have arguably the biggest concentration of stubborn dhimmis in the world. It's as if these people refuse to listen to logic and want to live under sharia. These people almost seem to praise suicide bombers and bus bombers.

Infact we have idiots like that here in America. The go to naked protests (Ugghh!) carrying signs like "Support the Insurgency" (with "bring our troops home safely" in micro-type) and "We like NY better without the zionist WTC." These people disgust me and should be deported for treason.



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quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:



Infact we have idiots like that here in America. The go to naked protests (Ugghh!) carrying signs like "Support the Insurgency" (with "bring our troops home safely" in micro-type) and "We like NY better without the zionist WTC." These people disgust me and should be deported for treason.



They are idiots for saying that, but treason does not include that kind of supporting the enemy. But you have to admit, there are the kinds of people that have "God hates fags" picket signs.

quote:Originally posted by shitty wok:

They are idiots for saying that, but treason does not include that kind of supporting the enemy. But you have to admit, there are the kinds of people that have "God hates fags" picket signs.

Yes, your right. Freedom of speech must be upheld, no matter how stupid the uses of it.

Perhaps we could lure all these idiots into a stadium full of sharp objects and lock them in. http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif)

quote:Originally posted by CrazyJ32:

Yes, your right. Freedom of speech must be upheld, no matter how stupid the uses of it.

Perhaps we could lure all these idiots into a stadium full of sharp objects and lock them in. http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif)

In Canada's charter of rights and freedoms it states

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

But also in the Canadian Human Rights act. There are laws against hate protests, and discrimination. Therefor its illegal to to hold an anti gay protest, or anti jew rally. Because its discriminating to the group of people your against.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

No I'm not trying to imply these textbooks aren't created for the purpose of indoctrination. I'm trying to imply that the article is guilty of sensationalism and colonial apologism.

Sensationalism for implying that they had to smuggle a (as the article implies) commonly available children's textbook out of the country.

Colonial apologism for implying that Britain never conquered India through deceit and murder.

All we need to do is get rid of the jews.

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

Colonial apologism for implying that Britain never conquered India through deceit and murder.



Uhmmm I dont think the article did imply that.

And jew-hater or whatever your name is STFU. The jews are amongst the most brilliant, hard-working, and noble people on this earth. You, and people like you, are jealous facist nazi morons.

So if you don't think they were implying that, could you please explain to me why exactly an article that sets out to show the irrationality of Iranian children's textbooks, brings up the textbook's mention of Britain's conquest of India in the same company as Iranian Anti-semitic propaganda?

What exactly were they implying when they brought it up then?

Maybe I'm being shortsighted but I just can't see any other reason.

Edit: By the way you're not acting much better the Viraljimmy. He hates Jews and thinks they are the source of all the worlds problems. You hate Muslims and think they're the source of all the worlds problems.

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quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

So if you don't think they were implying that, could you please explain to me why exactly an article that sets out to show the irrationality of Iranian children's textbooks, brings up the textbook's mention of Britain's conquest of India in the same company as Iranian Anti-semitic propaganda?

What exactly were they implying when they brought it up then?

It was all part of a book that insinuated Dur-al-islam's problems are all caused by the west, namely britian, which is total BS.

quote:Funky Zombie Wrote:

Edit: By the way you're not acting much better the Viraljimmy. He hates Jews and thinks they are the source of all the worlds problems. You hate Muslims and think they're the source of all the worlds problems.

And I dont need to respond to that piece of one-sided trash as the behaviors and teachings of both groups speak for themselves.

If someone cannot see who is attacking who here than they are thuroughly blind and permanently stupid and no amount of rationality can save them.

God is Dead

where was the Bush worshiping?

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