My mother is a evangelist christian for the past 6 years. Shes also a bit on the looney side, she gets extremely mad for random things; like me looking at something ''of the devil'' while im watching like a pg-13 horror movie. and rants about the devil for 30 mintutes and if i dont have god in my life i will be pretty much fucked in life. I baptized myself when i was about 14-15 im 17. I liked it at first. Until i realized i was being uses as a workhorse. They would tell me to do random task like clean and work for free. Also would invite me to stuff and the event would start extremely late, or i go and the event gets canceled without anyone notifyign me. Once they called me at work to tell me an event wasnt going to be canceled. I take a bus from my job to the train to go to church. when i get there, there event is canceled because the leader failed to show up. The final straw was when a leader actually raised his voice at me, then i finally snapped and told him off. I havent been to church in that manner ever since. that has been nearly over a year ago. I dont want to go to my mothers church because everyone is basically a hypocrite to me and judge me because i act like myself. Also the pastor wants me to work there. thats all he ever says to me when i see him. And my mom is all fire and brimestone about everything. Last sunday i didnt go to church with her because i was tired from work and wanted to stay at home. I stayed at home and when she comes back she looks at me with this hate in her eyes, seriously like emotionless hateful eyes and looks at me for like 30 seconds and says something among the lines in spanish translated to english something like '' Im very mad at you''. Also i find out whenever im in church more problems arise then when im not in it. Its not that i dont beieve in god i just dont want to associate with church memebers and i cant stand listening for 3-4 hours loud gospel music without sitting down.

What do you guys suggest? Im 17 so i cant really do much as in tell her to fuck off.

Keep peace in the family, go along with her but keep your sense of humor and don't take the shit seriously.

And escape and be on your own as soon as possible.

Thanks for the advice armsmerchant. I think im going to have to do that as soon as i turn 18.

Quote scripture at her.

Seriously, what the fuck is she gonna say about scripture?

There is so much shit in the New Testamnet that you can use to justify not geing to church that it ceases to be, then re-becomes, funny.

But, yeah, may as well keep her happy.

Yeah, get away from her as soon as it's easy to do so.

Is this commonplace in the US?

Its in New York City,Kooper0.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Keep peace in the family, go along with her but keep your sense of humor and don't take the shit seriously.

And escape and be on your own as soon as possible.

QFT

Cheers,

Lost

You can always kill them.

Those evengelicals are a little looney.

Sounds like my mum.

You can either stand your ground and not go or capitulate and go. It really depends on how much you need from your parents. If you often need money or whatnot, then it wouldn't be the best idea to get her angry.

fuck it. they are your parents. they are wrong, most of the time.

do not go. tell your mum why. tell her it all. if she values her born again bullshit more than you, then she doesn't deserve such a reasonable child.

your not the first person to go against thier parents wishes, and you won't be the last.

family harmony is an illusion, not getting abused is the best it gets.

Tell her to fuck off and respect whatever beliefs YOU have.



But, don't tell her to fuck off. lol

Lay it down nicely.

And if she really pisses you off, tell her you're converting to Islam.

quote:Originally posted by dburgess90:

Tell her to fuck off and respect whatever beliefs YOU have.



But, don't tell her to fuck off. lol

Lay it down nicely.

And if she really pisses you off, tell her you're converting to Islam.

Yea. Because his mother respecting his beliefs is way more important than her son respecting her beliefs.

Juvenile morons...

Cheers,

Lost

Some of you people need to learn to pick your battles. There was a thread about this like, a week and a half ago, basically the same story. The point is, it is way more troublesome to try and fight a middle aged person who has held their beliefs firmly for the last 40 something years than it is to simply go to church with them until you move out. If you are reasonable enough to have considered alternate beliefs, and made a weighed out decision about your faith/lack thereof, then going to church with your family is NOT going to kill you.

On the other hand, if you want to waste your time and create bad relationships with your family over something as stupid as having to go to church, so be it. Just keep in mind, most adult atheists today grew up with Christian parents who made them go to church, and look how they turned out. They're fully-functional adults who weren't "brainwashed" or forced into believing anything. Millions of non-Christian kids have to go to church with their families every Sunday too. It really isn't that much of a hassle.

Just stay calm and tell her no, she is the one acting juvenile if she throws a tantrum. if she does throw a tantrum and will somehow inconvenience you more than going to church, then go...but dont do any work. You need to lay this down like a negotiation. Your first move is an absolute refusal to go. Then when/if you finally concede, she will more easily accept that you wont work for the pastor.

Since when did church last for 3-4 hours? Show up for an hour (two max) and leave.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Yea. Because his mother respecting his beliefs is way more important than her son respecting her beliefs.

Juvenile morons...

Cheers,

Lost

her belief has nothing to do with him attending church....

he can think whatever he wants without infringing on his mother, she isn't the one that loses out.

Just go... it won't kill ya. Besides theres allot of pent up pussy at those churches...

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

her belief has nothing to do with him attending church....

he can think whatever he wants without infringing on his mother, she isn't the one that loses out.

yeah, fuckin' exactly man

just tell them you worship the great satan now, wear all black, and cut yourself.

Sounds to me like you couldn't submit to authority. HOW can you submit to God when you can't submit to the people God's put you UNDER. "I am a man subject to authority and I have soilders under me." That man basically said, "I am a man with a command backed by a command." This man, FROM THE WORD OF GOD, understood how submission and authority worked. When you climb a ladder you start from the bottom, and step up, but if you're hesitant to even take the first step, YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. If you won't step up, you'll eventually back down.

I've seen this time and time again between the faithful who stay where they are because GOD want's them there and they know it, and between the unfaithful, slothful people, who refuse to wait on God, and absolutely will not reach out to help man, (Which God died for), these people end up getting out of the will of God to go about establishing their own will, and call it the will of God. You have decisions to make, friend. If God put you there, you're being unfaithful to God by not being diligent in the place that He placed you to grow.

I was talking to a lady at work today, and I was telling her, how people wait for the magic moment. They want the dishes clean, but they don't want to be the ones to wash them. If you want to be in the will of God, you're going to have to submit UNDER His authority, (which is submitting to your Pastor, and the leaders He's placed around you, TO EDIFY YOU). If you can't do this you'll not grow. God placed me in the Church I'm hooked up in. He's got me putting my hands to alot of the things I'm YEILDED to HIM and HIS will for my life. I'm not there for man, and I don't want a single person to tell me thank you, and let me tell you I DO ALOT. I DON'T DO IT FOR THEM, I DO IT FOR GOD BECAUSE GOD PUT ME UNDER THEM.



Serve His humanity, Worship His divinity.

I love you, and I hope I didn't come off as not speaking out of love. You need to know this. My mom is also religious, I don't live with her. When I came to God, I came to Him and away from the world. I didn't come to Him for her, if I did I would have stopped serving Him. I came to Him for me. He's MY Saviour. I serve MY Saviour. He's YOUR SAVIOUR, serve YOUR Saviour!

Sometimes parents and people get so zealous about the things of God, that they try to FORCE their convictions onto others.

--God had convicted me (personally) of saying His name in vain. (OH A CHRISTIAN SAYS GOD'S NAME IN VAIN.) You better believe it happens. God showed me that to say His name is vain is to say His name without talking to Him, or about Him. If I dropped a cooler or something on my foot and said His name without talking to Him or about Him, but just THROWING His name around like it isn't precious, then it's vain. That's my conviction. So I was around these people that I was under at the time to submit to, and they would, what seemed like, constantly, non-stop say His name in vain. I got mad! I said, "GOD HOW COME THEY CAN DO IT AND I CAN'T." He spoke to my heart and said, "Shelly, you live your own convictions. I don't have the same call on their life as I do yours." I knew that I was going to have to be faithful to GOD and do what He wants me to do. Don't look at mom, Pastor, youth leader, or whatever. LOOK AT GOD. It's Jesus that Died on the cross for your sins. It's God that loved you enough to send the Lord, Jesus Christ to pay the punishment of your sins. Not mom, not pastor, not youth leader.

Who do you serve?

-Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

**I want to add this. When you click 'Submit Now' you just submitted yourself UNDER and unto the RULES/REGULATIONS of Totse's message board.



***I also would like to clarify that they didn't literally non-stop say His name in vain, or contantly, just what seemed to me alot. I guess because I was angry that it was my conviction and it SEEMED like they just kept saying it 'non-stop'.

*****!!!!!This just popped out at me too..

"Also i find out whenever im in church more problems arise then when im not in it."

I wonder why. I don't think GOD would try to keep you out of an assmebly. I know an ENEMY who certainly would, especially if you submitted under the place God's placed you and began to really grow spiritually, and began to do what God's placed on your heart and called you to do.

YOU HAVE AN ENEMY.. that's defeated, ONLY in Christ Jesus, and He's going to try His best to keep you out of the will of God esp. if it looks like you're really going somewhere with God.

[This message has been edited by HellzShellz (edited 02-09-2007).]

Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Those evengelicals are a little looney.

I thought He/She said 'evanglist christian' I was kind of wondering what in the world that was. Then, I thought, "Well, I'm called to be an evanglist." I didn't know he/she meant EVANGELICAL. It would have made a little more sense if I would have paused to think about that, but still. It isn't about denominational things, it's about Unity and Love within the body of Christ. It's about man serving from his heart, whole-heartedly, and not the 'group welcome' on the church name. The church, as far as I'm concerned it's called CHRIST'S BODY/The Body of Christ. Baptist, penecostal, episcopalian, protestant, COC, AOG, Psh, GIVE ME A BREAK! If I wanted to join a 'group' I would have just joined the YMCA, and went from there, but I wanted to follow Christ.

[This message has been edited by HellzShellz (edited 02-09-2007).]

If you choose to "follow," or emulate another, the best you can hope to be is a second-rate version of that other.

I suggest you be yourself, and create yourself in the highest, grandest, and most noble conception of yourself that you can imagine.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Keep peace in the family, go along with her but keep your sense of humor and don't take the shit seriously.

And escape and be on your own as soon as possible.



QFT

Here it how it would work with me and your mom

Mom: Hey DeuceOmen we are going to church on Sunday.

Me: Mom I would love to hang out with you its just I'd prefer not to go to church Sunday.

Mom: Why not? Church is good for you, if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins you will spend eternity in hell.

Me: I'm not much of a Christian, I believe in god It is just I don't believe he is so much of a vigilante that he would send me to hell forever for not believing in an event that supposedly happened without any proof or having any divine intervention in my live.

Mom: You really need to come with me on Sunday.

Me: Alright mom I guess a couple hours Sunday morning won't be so bad after all.

Point being state why you don't want to go but in the end whats a couple hours on Sunday morning anyways?

** Deuce Omen

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

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You're a rambling moron. Your meandering post was irrelevant and deluded.

Hellzshellz. I see what your saying but do you think if god introduced me to a church god couldnt also send me somewhere else. In my church all they do is talk spanish. And i really dont identify with the language even though i speak it and understand it fluently.

Do you have a messenger name so we can talk or something?

quote:Originally posted by Lobo:

Hellzshellz. I see what your saying but do you think if god introduced me to a church god couldnt also send me somewhere else. In my church all they do is talk spanish. And i really dont identify with the language even though i speak it and understand it fluently.

Do you have a messenger name so we can talk or something?

I do. revivedcreation@yahoo.com.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

...

Sounds to me like you're trying to justify his mother forcing her religion upon him by making it out as if it is him who is in the wrong.

I have the same problem kind of..

I mean, I love my mum and dad, they are fairly liberal but they have some church raised belief and they expect me to go to chuch now and then..

I'd like some NT quotes to throw at them when I'm tired and go

"Preacheth the who dost not have to go to the temple, for he is strong in constitution hath drinken mucheth the beer?"

Not exactly this but you catch my drift?

i live with my aunt and uncle right now, and they are christian as hell. your story reminds me of my life. i go to church with them anyways, even though i am buddist, but i always laugh and how rediculously interprated everything about that religion is. my aunt had me read a couple books a while back that were supposed to prove to me that christianity was real, but unfourtunately for her, one based the whole book off of how jesus was actually god, and the other on how jesus was not actually god, but a messanger from him.

the thing that i dont get is that she already read both of them and only absorbed what she wanted to hear maybe?

I think your mother is doing the right thing.

quote:Originally posted by HideandSeek:

I think your mother is doing the right thing.

Since when was imposing religion the right thing to do?

Grow a pair and tell her you aint going to church. Beyond her getting real angry at you and trying to get you to come to church, there isn't much she can do.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Yea. Because his mother respecting his beliefs is way more important than her son respecting her beliefs.

Juvenile morons...

Cheers,

Lost

This is a ridiculous statement. In this world, we are free to choose our beliefs and values. Both the mother and the son should equally respect their ideas and thoughts.

On the other hand, forcing your beliefs to others destroys free will. How do you think the Muslim hijackers get their beliefs from? Their parents, of course. That is why religious people should not dogmatize their children.

Note that there is a difference between coercion and respect.

I agree, you are a "juvenile moron", Lost Cause.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Sounds to me like you're trying to justify his mother forcing her religion upon him by making it out as if it is him who is in the wrong.

WRONG! This is exactly how it is.

HOW BAD DO YOU WANT GOD? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO SACRIFICE?

I don't EXPECT you to understand this, because it's spiritually discerned...The following, that is.

Two years ago, when I came back to God, I came back to Him FOR GOOD. I'm far from perfect, but that will not stop me from following hard after Him.

Charles Spurgeon put it like this, He said that when we come to God we COMPETE against CHRIST trying to act as if it's by OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS that we're where we are, when it's not. Paul also said something very simular to this. So many believers end up doing this, unknowingly. Paul said, did you start out in faith and tranfer over into works? He goes into how faith without works is dead. We should have works of faith, because you live what you believe, but works don't save us. We've all heard people say, "I'm a good person, I don't do this and that and that, so I think I'll go to hell." Ah, and how decieved they are, for if it were by our own works Christ wouldn't have had to come on a mandate from God. I love hearing people say, "I deserved Hell, I deserve Hell, I was born with a sinful nature that works constantly against God. I know that in me there lives no occasion for doing right, BUT, BUT BUT BUT when I came to God, HE DESTORYED within me the LAW of sin and death, and gave to me the LAW of the SPIRIT of LIFE. Hallelujah. I died, and now, NOW! It is not longer I THAT LIVES, but IT'S CHRIST, that lives, and He doesn't just live, He doesn't just reign, HE LIVES IN ME! Hallelujah.

To get on to the point, man. Here's ended up happening in my life. I read this book called, Voice of the Martyrs and I already wanted to die for Christ. I began to form this martyr mentality, which isn't a BAD thing, if it's interpreted right. So, I cried out to God, and said, "Father, I want to die for You, send me to the nations, I'll die for you now, TODAY, I'll do it." I finally Got quiet enough to hear Him speak to my Heart and say, "Then do it DAILY". That rattled my cage. I got quiet, and I said, very calmly, "Oh".

It's easier to fathom dying instantly just BAM dead, and YAY! I did it for Christ. It's the HIGHEST call. The truth is if you're a DISCIPLE, or FOLLOWER of Christ, you're called to the Highest call, You're called to DIE to yourself. You're called the CRUCIFY your flesh. When it comes to submission, and authority, humility, you'll see a person's heart and desire for God real quick. If they really want Him and His fullness, you'll endure. You won't be perfect, but YOU'LL ENDURE IT for the Call of the Cross of Christ. If your really not into His call and plan for your life, YOU WILL NOT ENDURE PATIENTLY what you must endure for character to be formed in you!

TFK, I don't know if yall know or not, but Thousand Foot Krutch is a Christian rock band. In one of their songs, titled 'Lift It' they say the following.

"Through my temptation to WALK AWAY, and through the endless troubled days, there's a hundred million way for me to release Your praise, and by and by and through the TEARS the things You've taught me through the years, my whole life was designed by You, I'll never know anyone half as True, I lift it up, lift it up, lift it up, so You can see, I lift it up, lift it up, lift it up from inside of me."

The Word of God reckons Christ being LIFTED UP unto His crucifixion. Christ was 'LIFTED UP'. We too must LIFT our lives up, unto God. Christ was lifted up FOR US, unto God. Praise the Lord, and we must follow His example. Christ didn't just come to live a life of victory in constantly fellowship with the Father, He came as the ONLY WAY to the Father, and to show us HOW to do what He did. ONLY a believer will ever tap over into the things God has planned for us. His Children. I don't mean a believer in Christ alone, I mean a believer in Christ AND WHAT HE SAID WE'D DO, in the midst of adversity and thoughts of doubt that would come against what can't be FIGURED OUT within the natural mind. God is a Spirit and the things of God are spiritually discerned.

I love you all. I pray that's made clear unto you all. Basically "Those who endure until the end shall be saved". Endure. HE ENDURED IT. He lives in us, we're not able to endure it, we have to die to ourselves and let HIM be our victory. Man, I'm convinced it would be a whole lot easier just to preach a message of Christ and of the Kingdom of God and be beaten until death, than it is to find that your worst enemy is yourself and you have to die to yourself.

Watchman Nee put it like this, and I could understand it, before I came to God, I tried to commit suicide several times..but...

Watchman Nee said, "We've all attempted suicide (He's talking about dying unto ourselves) but none of us have had enough desire (basically) to just go all the way with doing it."

See when you really desire something, you can NOT be stopped. Why? Because YOU REFUSE TO BE DENIED!! DO YOU REALLY WANT GOD? ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE? COUNT TO COST! Jesus said! It'll COST YOU EVERYTHING!! If you can't pay the price, don't get half of your building built and not have what it takes to finish it. People will see, that you didn't have what it took and they'll never take your serious or listen to a word you say, after that.

quote:Originally posted by Lobo:

Hellzshellz. I see what your saying but do you think if god introduced me to a church god couldnt also send me somewhere else. In my church all they do is talk spanish. And i really dont identify with the language even though i speak it and understand it fluently.

Do you have a messenger name so we can talk or something?

You should sit down and talk with your mom like an ADULT. That means, without being emotional, and compulsive. Tell her, and affirm with her, that you desire to follow God and His plan for your life, but you don't feel called to that local body of believers. Go to different churches until you get a peace or a nudging or a knowing inside of your spirit, that, that one is it. You'll know. NOW, here's the KICKER. When you get there, and you know, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to hook up, become a member and SERVE. Greeter, caretaker, children's ministry. WHATEVER it is. GET HOOKED UP, and SERVE. This means SUBMISSION UNDER AND UNTO AUTHORITY. Believe it or not, submission really causes ALOT of spiritual growth. You find out where you are and under pressure you're molded into His likeliness in CHARACTER. You'll see things about yourself that you absolutely do not like, and can not supress, that's when you have to "Lift it up", and EXPRESS the life of Christ in YOU.

"Christians are not meant to suppress emotions, they're meant to express Christ." -Watchman Nee

quote: I read this book called, Voice of the Martyrs and I already wanted to die for Christ. I began to form this martyr mentality, which isn't a BAD thing, if it's interpreted right. So, I cried out to God, and said, "Father, I want to die for You, send me to the nations, I'll die for you now, TODAY, I'll do it." I finally Got quiet enough to hear Him speak to my Heart and say, "Then do it DAILY". That rattled my cage. I got quiet, and I said, very calmly, "Oh".

This is why religion is evil and shouldn't be imposed on children.

quote:I don't EXPECT you to understand this, because it's spiritually discerned...

I.E. a bunch of shit based on no evidence and placebo effects in your body caused by convincing yourself an all-powerful being is watching over and loving you.

PS I read your entire post. What you said was pathetic, scary due to the sheer insanity of it, and really defeatist. Honestly, if I was you, I would SEEK HELP.



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quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

WRONG! This is exactly how it is.

HOW BAD DO YOU WANT GOD? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO SACRIFICE?

You make it sound like we should be subservient to wolves-in-sheeps-clothing who act as 'men of God' but only abuse the trust of their flock.

Sounds an awful lot like the Church protecting child-molesting priests.

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:



... What the fuck?

Alright. To the OP, Your mother has no right to force her utterly deluded way of thinking onto you and you, as a sentient, thinking being have the right to tell her off for it. She can't make decisions for you. You have a mind, dont' let anyone else in.

And to HellzShellz:

Obviously you're one of the born-again ex-whatever christian fanatics who try to pull this shit. Your religion, your way of life is a lie and it is wrong, in the same sense that the statement "the earth is flat" is wrong. You have never spoken to a god. You made yourself think that because you've been raised on the favored opiate of the masses to think that YOU, alone, are not worth anything without your "saviour". you are. You have a mind, as well. Don't let anyone else in it, especially your construct of a "god".

Admit it, your life is empty. Without your lies, you cease to even be. Is that life? Is that living? Why dont' you just go blow yourself up in a market square in Iran and go to your beloved "savior"? Of course, nothing would happen and you'd be dead. Thats what happens when your DEAD. You DIE. Thats true in the sense that the statement "The earth is not flat" is true. Deal with it.

Again, to OP, your mother has no right to force or guilt you into going. You're moving in the right direction by not going to church, and its also good that you found out that really, they're not "saving" anything, they're just exploiting you. Stop going, tell your mom this and be firm about it. If she stops loving you or starts being cold to you, then that's YOUR "cross" to bear for being far more logical and far more RIGHT than she'll ever be (to use her terminology). Be firm and don't let up. If she succeeds in physically forcing you into church, then ask your pastor to say something or stand up during any free discourse period and list all of your grievances, all of the reasons you dont' want to be there and why you think that its ridiculous to try to force you. After that, hopefully she'll get the message.

quote:Originally posted by Kooper0:

You're a rambling moron. Your meandering post was irrelevant and deluded.

Understatement of the YEAR. I'd have one shard of respect if she wasn't quoting the Creflo Dollar Ministries verbatim.

/nausea

Lobo, my advice would be to calmly explain to your mother that 1. You don't agree with her choice in forcing you to attend church and 2. As a true Christian, she should respect your beliefs, as you are a mature young adult capable of making these decisions for yourself.

But, if she's anything like my mother, she'll just get pissy and bitchy, no matter how civil you are with her. So you could try telling her that she's condemned for being a disrespectful wench or something. Or do something at church that would make her embarrassed to bring you again, ex. run up to the front of the room, hold a cross in front of your groin and start pelvic thrusting.

Or if you'd prefer not to be so drastic, you don't have much of a choice other than just toughing it out, really.

quote:Originally posted by Lobo:

My mother is a evangelist christian for the past 6 years. Shes also a bit on the looney side, she gets extremely mad for random things; like me looking at something ''of the devil'' while im watching like a pg-13 horror movie. and rants about the devil for 30 mintutes and if i dont have god in my life i will be pretty much fucked in life. I baptized myself when i was about 14-15 im 17. I liked it at first. Until i realized i was being uses as a workhorse. They would tell me to do random task like clean and work for free. Also would invite me to stuff and the event would start extremely late, or i go and the event gets canceled without anyone notifyign me. Once they called me at work to tell me an event wasnt going to be canceled. I take a bus from my job to the train to go to church. when i get there, there event is canceled because the leader failed to show up. The final straw was when a leader actually raised his voice at me, then i finally snapped and told him off. I havent been to church in that manner ever since. that has been nearly over a year ago. I dont want to go to my mothers church because everyone is basically a hypocrite to me and judge me because i act like myself. Also the pastor wants me to work there. thats all he ever says to me when i see him. And my mom is all fire and brimestone about everything. Last sunday i didnt go to church with her because i was tired from work and wanted to stay at home. I stayed at home and when she comes back she looks at me with this hate in her eyes, seriously like emotionless hateful eyes and looks at me for like 30 seconds and says something among the lines in spanish translated to english something like '' Im very mad at you''. Also i find out whenever im in church more problems arise then when im not in it. Its not that i dont beieve in god i just dont want to associate with church memebers and i cant stand listening for 3-4 hours loud gospel music without sitting down.

What do you guys suggest? Im 17 so i cant really do much as in tell her to fuck off.



Do you beleive in god?If not don't go.If you do,just watch church on tv. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

You should sit down and talk with your mom like an ADULT. That means, without being emotional, and compulsive. Tell her, and affirm with her, that you desire to follow God and His plan for your life, but you don't feel called to that local body of believers. Go to different churches until you get a peace or a nudging or a knowing inside of your spirit, that, that one is it. You'll know. NOW, here's the KICKER. When you get there, and you know, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to hook up, become a member and SERVE. Greeter, caretaker, children's ministry. WHATEVER it is. GET HOOKED UP, and SERVE. This means SUBMISSION UNDER AND UNTO AUTHORITY. Believe it or not, submission really causes ALOT of spiritual growth. You find out where you are and under pressure you're molded into His likeliness in CHARACTER. You'll see things about yourself that you absolutely do not like, and can not supress, that's when you have to "Lift it up", and EXPRESS the life of Christ in YOU.

"Christians are not meant to suppress emotions, they're meant to express Christ." -Watchman Nee



Says mr.HELLSHELLS....

Lose your virginity in a confession booth.

Edit:

For the record that means DON'T PUT UP WITH ANYONE'S BULLSHIT, do what you believe.

[This message has been edited by TheParkinator (edited 02-24-2007).]

Some trippy shit... Most religions are thought to be from pychadelics, when St. Paul "saw God" it is thought to be from a DMT trip. Same with the book of Mormons and his golden tablets.

Seems to me like hte problem is that you don't like hte church and therefore do not want to go. Maybe you can go to another church instead. That way, you're still going and it will make your mom happy, but you won't be forced to go to a church you hate.

Just an idea.

quote:Originally posted by Kooper0:

Yeah, get away from her as soon as it's easy to do so.

Is this commonplace in the US?

Very. There's something very wrong when it comes to Christian Americans and their children.

First off, PARAGRAPHS MOTHER FUCKER.

Secondly, It is ashame that a lot of parents/people kids are around make them turn against religion..

There are numbers of kids raised Catholic for instance, but the constant pressure and guilt that Catholicism puts on you is very great, so later in life they become atheist or something.

I think the best way to be is be Non Denominational , it is the chill Christian.

Anything else tries to make you feel like a shit head for having sex before marriage, watching "R" rated movies, etc.

Many people rebel later in life to escape the harshness of the different sects of Christianity, when really, if you are so violently hateful of people that commit things some people consider inappropriate, then you are a fake Christian I feel.

There are so many fake-Christians out there that are strongly against A LOT of shit (making them uptight assholes) , however they are pro-war and believe in the killing and destruction of Iraq (and any other enemy of the US) deserves all the hell we bring to them.

My point to you is, don't let people like your mother, or the other uptight assholes in your religion fuck with you and make you lose faith. I know it may look like the best thing to not associate with those mindless idiots, but you can still be a Christian, and not be one of the MANY asshole FAKE Christians.

I'm a Christian, but I am completly against 95% of the other "Christians" because of their attitudes about a lot of shit. It is fucked up to say you will go to hell if you have sex before marriage, yet fully support the US war and killing in Iraq.

quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:



Since when did church last for 3-4 hours? Show up for an hour (two max) and leave.

someones never been to catholic mass....

anyway, i kno alot of other parents that are exactly the same way. they are very strong believers in that faith and arent about to let go just because of pride. they believed it since their parents told them to, and to them its an act of defiance to tell them they are wrong to believe what they do, even though they may have nearly no reasons other than "it gives me faith" or "i was told to". honestly if u were told penguins cant fly since you were 3 and suddenly someone goes up to you at like 35, and says PENGUINS CAN FLY!! are you going to believe them? no, now take that and move it into say, theyre taught theres a god, theres a hell, defy him and ur fucked, then after 30+ years of being taught that over and over in various tellings, your told by your son, whom youve attempted to instill such teachings into ur son, and he acts against you and says, no none of its true your a lying whore! yea shes gonna beat ur motherfucking ass(even though im sure you wouldnt/havent said this im just using it to make a point)

people cant admit they were wrong, plain and simple

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Yea. Because his mother respecting his beliefs is way more important than her son respecting her beliefs.

Juvenile morons...

Cheers,

Lost

I hope you can't have kids.

give your mother some acid.

If my mother acted like that, I'd simply disown her.

Okay, here's how i would do it:

Just simply refuse to do it, tell her she can't force you into a religion, can't force you to believe something you don't. If she ignores that heres what to do:

1. Alu bat

2. ???

quote:Originally posted by Prometheum:

Alright. To the OP, Your mother has no right to force her utterly deluded way of thinking onto you and you, as a sentient, thinking being have the right to tell her off for it. She can't make decisions for you. You have a mind, dont' let anyone else in.

And to HellzShellz:

Obviously you're one of the born-again ex-whatever christian fanatics who try to pull this shit. Your religion, your way of life is a lie and it is wrong, in the same sense that the statement "the earth is flat" is wrong. You have never spoken to a god. You made yourself think that because you've been raised on the favored opiate of the masses to think that YOU, alone, are not worth anything without your "saviour". you are. You have a mind, as well. Don't let anyone else in it, especially your construct of a "god".

Admit it, your life is empty. Without your lies, you cease to even be. Is that life? Is that living? Why dont' you just go blow yourself up in a market square in Iran and go to your beloved "savior"? Of course, nothing would happen and you'd be dead. Thats what happens when your DEAD. You DIE. Thats true in the sense that the statement "The earth is not flat" is true. Deal with it.

Again, to OP, your mother has no right to force or guilt you into going. You're moving in the right direction by not going to church, and its also good that you found out that really, they're not "saving" anything, they're just exploiting you. Stop going, tell your mom this and be firm about it. If she stops loving you or starts being cold to you, then that's YOUR "cross" to bear for being far more logical and far more RIGHT than she'll ever be (to use her terminology). Be firm and don't let up. If she succeeds in physically forcing you into church, then ask your pastor to say something or stand up during any free discourse period and list all of your grievances, all of the reasons you dont' want to be there and why you think that its ridiculous to try to force you. After that, hopefully she'll get the message.



My life, and everything is in Christ. I DIDN'T KNOW LIFE, Until I knew Christ. In Him, I'm complete and lacking NOTHING. I'll not LIE to these people. I'LL NOT LIE about the LIFE I've found in HIM. IT'S IN HIM THAT 'WE' HAVE OUR BEING. A PART FROM HIM WE PERISH!! It isn't a LIE. It's a TRUTH that can NOT be ignored but by someone who's too complacent in 'THEIR LIVES' to give up what THEY desire and FOLLOW CHRIST. It's the HIGH calling, to be a disciple.

Femme, I'm "WORD OF FAITH", like Creflo Dollar, BUT I don't listen to Brother on T.V. I don't really watch T.V. Period.

The Spirit {of God) bears witness with the (born again) spirit in man. That should tell you something. If that Brother is PROCLAIMING THE GOSPEL, having not heard me proclaim it, and I'm proclaiming what he's proclaiming, GOOD. DOES THAT NOT TELL YOU THAT THERE IS ONE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, AND I WOULD THAT ALL PROCLAIMED IT TO ALL PEOPLES!!! We 'Word people' like to simple be known as CHRISTIANS. Which is SO much HIGHER.





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^ Mad as a hatter. Should have been thrown into a tow sack and drowned, as a pup.

Edit: I have no tolerance whatsoever for religious hypocrites who say one thing, and do another. HellzShellz - You're not fooling anyone on here. I remember you from last year, spouting off like a fevered minister in this forum, preaching the Creflo ministries - while acting like a complete whore in other forums.

Disgusting.



[This message has been edited by AngryFemme (edited 03-07-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

^ Mad as a hatter. Should have been thrown into a tow sack and drowned, as a pup.

Edit: I have no tolerance whatsoever for religious hypocrites who say one thing, and do another. HellzShellz - You're not fooling anyone on here. I remember you from last year, spouting off like a fevered minister in this forum, preaching the Creflo ministries - while acting like a complete whore in other forums.

Disgusting.



I don't think so. For TWO 1/2 years, I've been DILIGENTLY serving God, and I really don't care what you say or what you think about me. I am NOT a hypocrite. YOU don't know me in person, if you did, i'd like to see you examine the fruit on this tree.



Furhtermore, I'm not angry/mad. You don't know no better, at ALL, and I love you.

I'm not going to sit here and glorify what I have and haven't done, but I'll boast in Christ.

I knew a girl, who really has a mixed up life. She had her theories and none of them brought her happiness. She surrounded herself with things she thought would bring her comfort, and participated in activities she thought was harmless and fun. She hurt everyone around her, and couldn't even cry over it. She was self consumed. She became an alcoholic, and profusely abused marijuana. She pretty much offered herself to anyone and everyone who would take interest in her. OH! She was looking for love, and happiness. She became morbidly obsessed with death, and began to cut herself. She claimed it was to see if she were human, and could still feel. She claimed it was a way of dealing with the pressures, and the hatred she had for herself. She said it was a way of her pacifying herself and a way to let her know everything would be alright, because she could bleed it all away. When everyone found out the things she had tried her best to hide, she had no choice but to die. That girl, died. I pity her past, but I REJOICE in her death, because to her, to die, meant to live. SHE KNEW she had to die.. it just wasn't in the way SHE thought it would be. Every since then, SHE'S endeavoured to DIE DAILY, so that she could live a life WELL PLEASING unto Christ.



You can say these things, but I know what I have and haven't done, and I know since I've come to GOD.. the FIRST thing that left my life was CUSSING, instantly. And RELATIONSHIPS. I didn't TALK that junk either. I might have given my testimony of Christ, other than that, I haven't done anything or 'acted' like what you said.

The life I live in CHrist reproves yours, and that's why you don't like me. I really don't care, because I LOVE YOU. It's my HONOUR to love you, even as CHRIST loved me. I deal with people like you DAILY. Insomuch I DON'T GET OFFENDED over it. I face them, look them in their eyes, and make sure they know I love them. YOU NEED LOVE, everyone does. ESP. those that don't have it and try to find it, and FOOL THEMSELVES into BELIEVEING they do. When you BELIEVE something, that's pretty much it, from there, there's prayer, and love. When you pray you get what GOD can do, and GOD is love.

You may not agree, but you're reading this, and that's SEED SOWN. PRAISE THE ONE AND ONLY HOLY CHILD OF GOD, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!1

You're full of shit, Shellz. In fact, it's spilling out the sides of your mouth.

I called you out on this awhile back, and I'm doing it again. It's a shame that the OLD totse photo gallery is down, and that all the comments were lost. You had a pretty foul mouth back then, and when I called you out on your hypocrisy last time in this forum, you denied it, but all the sexual, foul-mouthed comments were all posted under your picture. This picture. (http://ajare.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=1256)

Cursing and acting promiscuous isn't a bad thing. Cursing, acting promiscuous, and then pretending like you are the Lamb of God is disgusting.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

You're full of shit, Shellz. In fact, it's spilling out the sides of your mouth.

I called you out on this awhile back, and I'm doing it again. It's a shame that the OLD totse photo gallery is down, and that all the comments were lost. You had a pretty foul mouth back then, and when I called you out on your hypocrisy last time in this forum, you denied it, but all the sexual, foul-mouthed comments were all posted under your picture.

Cursing and acting promiscuous isn't a bad thing. Cursing, acting promiscuous, and then pretending like you are the Lamb of God is disgusting.



Too bad that picture was taken when I was 16. THANK GOD, I came back to God when I turned 17.

They tried to find an accusation against Jesus too.

I'm a NEW creation in Christ Jesus, behold OLD THINGS are passed away, and ALL things are BECOME NEW.

Look at the DATE.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/hellzshellz

I was born, November 28th, 1987. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) I LOVE YOU!!

[This message has been edited by HellzShellz (edited 03-07-2007).]

Your behaviour was the same then. Acting one way, preaching another. This conversation between you and I was the same then. You took this exact same stance when I called you on this last time.

"But I am a woman of God now"

You don't have to explain yourself to me. I know what you are. A confused teenager, who likes to preach the Holier Than Thou sermon in all caps.

Wiggy during her murderous phase. (http://tinyurl.com/2nbbpg)

quote:Originally posted by HampTheToker:

Wiggy during her murderous phase. (http://tinyurl.com/2nbbpg)

My brother knows.. ^^ You 'testimony' against me, is invaild. I STILL LOVE YOU! :-* http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by HampTheToker:

Wiggy during her murderous phase. (http://tinyurl.com/2nbbpg)

1300!!!1!11!!1WOOT



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quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

You're full of shit, Shellz. In fact, it's spilling out the sides of your mouth.

People tend to not think about the words they say and the impact that they have on the people who hear them. My grandmother was just on the brink of death...I knew that she would come through. Not that hopefully she'd come through, or please come through, but that she would come through. I thought and believed that it may be a tough fight, but it turned out better than any of her doctors thought possible. 73 years old and she's already survived cancer of the larynx, and more recently an intestinal blockage complication by COPD, and multiple blood clots in her lungs. I believe in miracles, and I recognize that some miracles just go unoticed

quote:I called you out on this awhile back, and I'm doing it again. It's a shame that the OLD totse photo gallery is down, and that all the comments were lost. You had a pretty foul mouth back then, and when I called you out on your hypocrisy last time in this forum, you denied it, but all the sexual, foul-mouthed comments were all posted under your picture. This picture. (http://ajare.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=1256)

You've got a pretty good memory. Strange thing, memory. We remember our joys and our sorrows, heartbreaks and puppy loves, our friends and our families. Right now your memory seems best served as a RAM card to process everything you opin.

People change. Some people claim to change. Some hope, and some wish for it, but some people actually get up and out and go do what it takes to make that change. If your world left behind was terrible, immoral, or apathetic, you have to let that go. You can't push forward until you recognize the problem you need to change and why you need to change it. This woman is one the few people I know who have actually pointed their lives toward something that matters. Something better for everyone, not just one.



quote:Cursing and acting promiscuous isn't a bad thing. Cursing, acting promiscuous, and then pretending like you are the Lamb of God is disgusting.



Cursing and acting promiscuous are not a good thing. Take a look around sister, people are dealing with burdens that are exceedingly harder to bare. Wake up and smell the connection.

Their a reason the presence of God is felt when one is truly sorry and repentant for that which would shame them.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

^ Mad as a hatter. Should have been thrown into a tow sack and drowned, as a pup.

I agree. Her rants don't make Christianity appealing, it shows it to be the fucked up cult it is. She's seriously creepy. I tend to ignore her posts now because of how much they creep me out.

Hamp, I'm happy to hear Granny made it through her ordeal - truly, I am.

But please step down from the soapbox, as I regret to inform you that your defense for HellzShellz falls on deaf ears with me. You can chalk my memory up to being RAM-like, if you want. I consider that the highest compliment.

Her style of message-board pulpit-thumping bible-smacking evangelism just rubs my fur the wrong way. You dig, brother?

quote: She's seriously creepy.

Amen to that. Can I get a hallelujah?!

Shellz is a troll, that's the only possible explanation for this self-righteous bullshit.

To the OP:

Believe in what YOU want to believe in, and never let anybody else try to force you into accepting their beliefs. If you roll over and let her trample all over you, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I know that seems like a oversized statement for such a relatively minor problem, but in my opinion conflict caused by standing up for one's beliefs is more satisfying in the end than submitting for the sake of peace.

About a year ago, when I turned 17, I decided that I was fed up with Catholicism, and I expressed this. To try and avoid a problem, the parents wanted me to go through with the whole confirmation thing (basically being branded a Catholic) and afterwards I could do whatever I want. Well, I started a fight, things got extremely nasty for a month or two, then smoothed over. Today, I'm damn glad that I stood up for myself.

Tell your mother you've joined a satanic cult and you defile the word of god on a daily basis.

The way I got around church was just lying in bed refusing to move until she gave up and left. Now I have a job where I work most Sunday mornings, so I couldn't go even if i wanted to.

quote:Originally posted by Rocko:

Shellz is a troll, that's the only possible explanation for this self-righteous bullshit.

To the OP:

Believe in what YOU want to believe in, and never let anybody else try to force you into accepting their beliefs. If you roll over and let her trample all over you, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I know that seems like a oversized statement for such a relatively minor problem, but in my opinion conflict caused by standing up for one's beliefs is more satisfying in the end than submitting for the sake of peace.

About a year ago, when I turned 17, I decided that I was fed up with Catholicism, and I expressed this. To try and avoid a problem, the parents wanted me to go through with the whole confirmation thing (basically being branded a Catholic) and afterwards I could do whatever I want. Well, I started a fight, things got extremely nasty for a month or two, then smoothed over. Today, I'm damn glad that I stood up for myself.

I'm not self-righteous, I've accepted CHRIST'S righteousness for me, because I know, nothing good lies within my flesh, but IF I ACCEPT the FREE GIFT OF GOD, BY GRACE AND THROUGH FAITH, then I no longer identify with my flesh, but I'm born-again and I now have a spirit, and that SPIRIT that INNER ME, (not my mind) is how I communicate with God. God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH (with their lifestyles). Be that as it IS.. it's not longer I that lives, but Christ lives in me. Romans 8:1 Those that are led by the flesh do live in condemnation, but if you're BORN AGAIN and YOU'RE LED BY THE SPIRIT, you don't live a life of condemnation. I honestly am not AFFECTED or EFFECTED by your words, any of yalls. It's by MY words that I'm justified and condemned and MY words CONFESS JESUS AS LORD, and my LIFESTYLE lines up, and in areas that it doesn't.. IT'S GRACE.. Grace is what I don't deserve but I get, and mercy is what I do deserve and don't get.

I, Shelly Denae, am NOTHING.. but CHRIST IN ME.. is everything!!!

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HellzShellz, if what you say is true, then you're really quite pathetic and have my pity. This isn't me being mean, I'm telling the truth and I really do pity you.

She is a childcare provider. Don't pity her, pity the poor, unsuspecting little children who will get their minds infected with her rantings and ravings.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

She is a childcare provider. Don't pity her, pity the poor, unsuspecting little children who will get their minds infected with her rantings and ravings.



She better fucking not be a childcare provider. She's delusional.

Troll is the only logical explanation.