Obviousely the question is the subject.

Many do, since they seem to think that morality comes from their god.

I can play that game too.

I think most Christians are immoral because the only thing keeping them from murdering people is fear of god.

morality is what you do, not what you belive.

no, atheist are just people who lost their connection with God.

I dont see them as immoral myself.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

I can play that game too.

I think most Christians are immoral because the only thing keeping them from murdering people is fear of god.

You're implying that their only inhibition against murder is from god?

Then where does everyone else learn not to kill people...

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quote:Originally posted by cyanide breathmint:

no, atheist are just people who lost their connection with God.



Actually I think we're more along the thinking that we never had a connection with god to lose in the first place.

I'm sure it's not just the fear of God that keeps people from murdering...

quote:Originally posted by chickenpoop:

Actually I think we're more along the thinking that we never had a connection with god to lose in the first place.

i think people have an inbuilt morality. how re-enforced it is through our culture dictates how moral we will be, or what morals we learn (like religion specific ones, like homophobia).

It depends on their own beliefs and definition of God. I do not care what other people believe in, I myself do believe in God, but my definition is not common and I do not belong to any 'organized' religion.

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

It depends on their own beliefs and definition of God. I do not care what other people believe in, I myself do believe in God, but my definition is not common and I do not belong to any 'organized' religion.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

I'm sure it's not just the fear of God that keeps people from murdering...



Thats what I was trying to point out. Yet alot of christians constantly claim they get there morals from the bible.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

I'm sure it's not just the fear of God that keeps people from murdering...



Just because you AREN'T doing "evil" doesn't mean you ARE being "good".

although I suppose it COULD mean that

I dunno.

Impossible to generlaize, for numerous reasons. For one, definitions of "atheist" vary--Einstein often refers to God, but no less an authority than Sir Richard Dawkins insists that Einstein was, in fact an atheist.

Personally, I have a great relationship with God, but I am sure many fundies would call me an atheist since I do not perceive "God" as an entity, some sort of gaseous invertebrate, but rather as the intelligent, creative, and loving spiritual force that created and pervades the universe--some might call this the unified field. Whatever.

God doesn't really care what you call him/her/it/them/whatever--Monty will do as well as anything.

quote:Originally posted by firekitty751:

I'm sure it's not just the fear of God that keeps people from murdering...



I hear what your saying but, I'm preety sure you heard the argument "god is the only thing keeping this country from anarchy and man murdering man for loose change", whenever they want to teach evolution or take "in god we trust" off currency. Its an argument evangelists and athiest debators have been making since the debate started: god/bible is the source of all morals. Hence in my opinion that doesn't neccisarily make them all moral people I wager a lot of them are just god-fearing people.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

Thats what I was trying to point out. Yet alot of christians constantly claim they get there morals from the bible.

Just because someone learns morals from one source, doesn't mean they don't have other reasons to follow those morals.

quote:Originally posted by cakezone:

Just because someone learns morals from one source, doesn't mean they don't have other reasons to follow those morals.

proving the atheist point that you dont need religion to have respectfull morals

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

proving the atheist point that you dont need religion to have respectfull morals

That wasn't the point of the post. The point was that most Christians don't honestly think that the only reason you shouldn't kill people is because God said not to.

quote:Originally posted by cakezone:

That wasn't the point of the post. The point was that most Christians don't honestly think that the only reason you shouldn't kill people is because God said not to.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

proving the atheist point that you dont need religion to have respectfull morals

are you mental?

No.

Earlier, you said:

quote:I think most Christians are immoral because the only thing keeping them from murdering people is fear of god.

then:

quote: Thats what I was trying to point out. Yet alot of christians constantly claim they get there morals from the bible.

Even if they claim to learn morality from the bible, it in no way means that they have no other reason to follow those particular ethical beliefs. Whether or not religion is needed for morality isn't important here, as my point is that while a Christian person may learn common ethics from the bible, most people (regardless of religion) don't go out and kill people for the exact same reasons as everyone else. Where they learned their morals isn't important.





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^^And thats what the atheist point of view is. My first post was sarcasm intended to get somebody to say exactly what you said. Alot of Christians dont feel the same way you do.

ah, alright.

I was confused about the main point of all of this.

its more like religous people feel like athiests are "misguided" rather than immoral, but some religions cast them off to "hell" without a second thought...

quote:Originally posted by blacksh33p18:

god/bible is the source of all morals.

That's funny, because a lot of India and South East Asia would disagree strongly.

There's more than one system of morals, not everything is Judeo-Christian.

Out of my friends, the ones that call themselves Christians are way more immoral than the rest of us. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

If I told you I believed in God, I'd be lying, which is immoral.

quote:Originally posted by Surak:

Many do, since they seem to think that morality comes from their god.

..And good moral cristians will rip you to shreds and call you an immoral terrorist if you dont beleive in their kokamaimy bullshit.

Religion is a story.

Science is a explanation.

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Atheism falls under the deadly sin of Sloth.

quote:Originally posted by niggersexual:

Atheism falls under the deadly sin of Sloth.

No,falling back on the fact that a stupid book written by philosophers that thought witches and warlocks were real,and perpetuating that the bible is the end all explanation to yours and my existence is lazy.

quote:Originally posted by gibson lespaul:

No,falling back on the fact that a stupid book written by philosophers that thought witches and warlocks were real,and perpetuating that the bible is the end all explanation to yours and my existence is lazy.

You're an idiot. The definition of lazy is not fullfiling your duty, as a human being and God's creation, of worshiping the Lord in every facet of your life.

quote:Originally posted by gibson lespaul:

No,falling back on the fact that a stupid book written by philosophers that thought witches and warlocks were real,and perpetuating that the bible is the end all explanation to yours and my existence is lazy.

Damn straight.

As Dawkins said, the guys who figured out the math on the human nervous impulse system had great difficulties. The math was very hard and complicated. Would anyone have respected them if they had just given up and said God did it?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by firekitty751:

[B]I'm sure it's not just the fear of God that keeps people from murdering...

thats seems true.

i'm wondering if were on the same page or wtf are you thinking when you say it's not just the fear of god?

what else would you think would prevent a person to commit such an inhumane act?

quote:Originally posted by niggersexual:

You're an idiot. The definition of lazy is not fullfiling your duty, as a human being and God's creation, of worshiping the Lord in every facet of your life.

Atheists don't fulfill their 'duty' to God because they don't believe in God, not simply because they're too lazy to do it.

So they don't fulfil their duty to God out of ignorance, not out of sloth.



(btw im just trying to answer from your perspective)

quote:Originally posted by brad davis:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by firekitty751:

[B]

what else would you think would prevent a person to commit such an inhumane act?



Fear of getting caught by the cops

Fear of punishment/retaliation

Conscience

Sense of ethics

Not a violent person

All of these would prevent someone from committing murder, not just the fear of God

quote:Originally posted by socratic:

That's funny, because a lot of India and South East Asia would disagree strongly.

There's more than one system of morals, not everything is Judeo-Christian.

This is from two weeks ago but, that was my point I'm quoting a beleif that is such, that I don't agree with.

my point was a good portion of them are just afraid to go to hell and act only morally because of their personal fear. Thats why the most fundamental find it easy to shoot people they differ in ideology with.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Impossible to generlaize, for numerous reasons. For one, definitions of "atheist" vary--Einstein often refers to God, but no less an authority than Sir Richard Dawkins insists that Einstein was, in fact an atheist.

Einstein WAS an atheist. He got pissed when people referred to his loose reference of "God" and then claimed him to be religious.

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that an individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

- Albert Einstein, in The New York Times (April 19, 1955)

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

-Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

-Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side

"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion."

-Albert Einstein, quoted in Madalyn Murray O'Hair, All the Questions You Ever Wanted to Ask American Atheists (1982) vol. ii., p. 29

Seems like Richard Dawkins was correct in assuming Einstein was an Atheist.