The title says it all.I know i Have free choice,i would have it ,even if it wasn't given to me as a lie of a gift.

I know that christianity is a man-made lie to keep us al in line,and i wish to work against it to free us all and give us all greater will.

any ideas of working against this sick mind fuck are welcomed.also,arguments are welcomed.it makes me stronger.

post here,or email me @ midgeymonkeymonkeymidgey@hotmail.com

<quote>John7714

Jesus got pissed one day and threw a hissy fit.</quote>



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You could start with proper and grammar capitalization. Christians hate that.

Start by making your life an example. Many Christians are taught that athiests are greedy criminals who drop out of high school and are constantly battling depression.

I'm drunk,therefore incapable of grammar.hey,at least i admit it.

anti-grav,that's me,i don't think it detracts from what i said.

Drink the blood of Jesus and be saved or burn in hell you stinking infidel fudge-packer!!!!

*bump*



*waits for digital saviour*



oxy-moron of a name that is...

I'm interested in knowing how you came to this conclusion.

Drinking the blood of jesus

Drinking it right from his veins

Learning to swim in the ocean

Learning to prowl in his name

The body of christ looked unto me

A preacher with god-given hands

He wants you to suck on the holy ghost

And swallow the sins of man

^^ yeah the smiley is red,but 'tis funny.

quote:Originally posted by Drox:

I'm interested in knowing how you came to this conclusion.

Total Posts: 34

FUCK.OFF.

I think that the Christians you're referring to are the radicals. Christianity can be a beautiful thing when true love is preached and performed. I don't think atheists are idiots or high school drop outs, I used to be one myself. I know that there are many logical arguements against religion, but I still practice faith. I know that if a Christian were to make a post like this about 'Working Against The Lie That Is Atheism' you would call that person a bigot, stupid, closed-minded, etc. Playing the "who is more dangerous/'sick' and wrong" game is ridiculous (and you'll all lose). It's always sad when people who should understand the love of Christ don't. And it's always sad to see those that claim to think logically and intelligently prove otherwise.

quote:Originally posted by midgeymonkey2:

Total Posts: 34

FUCK.OFF.

What does my post number have to do with anything?

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

Drinking the blood of jesus

Drinking it right from his veins

Learning to swim in the ocean

Learning to prowl in his name

The body of christ looked unto me

A preacher with god-given hands

He wants you to suck on the holy ghost

And swallow the sins of man

Did you write that? That's some good shit...

quote:Originally posted by Guildenstern:

I think that the Christians you're referring to are the radicals. Christianity can be a beautiful thing when true love is preached and performed. I don't think atheists are idiots or high school drop outs, I used to be one myself. I know that there are many logical arguements against religion, but I still practice faith. I know that if a Christian were to make a post like this about 'Working Against The Lie That Is Atheism' you would call that person a bigot, stupid, closed-minded, etc. Playing the "who is more dangerous/'sick' and wrong" game is ridiculous (and you'll all lose). It's always sad when people who should understand the love of Christ don't. And it's always sad to see those that claim to think logically and intelligently prove otherwise.

Christianity has many things to teach us. Not the least of which is learning to show compassion... if only the people that preach it would follow the words of it's founder the world would be a much better place... good post.

Sadly no...

The honor goes to Al Jougensen of the band Ministry.

quote:Originally posted by Drox:

What does my post number have to do with anything?

Since I have the highest post count on totse, let me ask the same question:

What reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion that Christianity is a lie? Or are you just using it as a scapegoat for your own insecurities like the Nazis to the Jews?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

What reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion that Christianity is a lie?

I never said I thought Christianity was a lie.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Or are you just using it as a scapegoat for your own insecurities like the Nazis to the Jews?

Give a thread time and a Nazi comparison will always pop up. X¬D

quote:Originally posted by Drox:

I never said I thought Christianity was a lie.



He was agreeing with what you said.

Grow/shave yourself a mohawk.

This pisses off the elderly.

The elderly are more likely to be proper christians.

Therefor, by growing a mohawk, you have just pissed of christians.

Easy

Hmm, come to think of it, you said 'fight the lie'.

In that case, grow a mohawk anyway, pissed off people are easier to ignore.

I like my new mohawk http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

Sadly no...

The honor goes to Al Jougensen of the band Ministry.



Psalm 69, The Way to Succeed and The Way to Suck Eggs

\m/

Thanks for that blast from the past http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Ok your a dumbfuck! for one religions of everykind were never made to keep people in line(even if they do)! its a way to explain life and its purpose! its not like the people who created the religions knew/thought there wasnt a god. ok you act like you are being opressed, how? were not forcing anyone to join our religion we are not tieing you down to a railroad and telling you if you dont convert we'll kill you and send you to hell even fatser! you may try to argue(even though ur wrong) that telling you if you dont convert you go to hell is the same thing but thats not us forcing you or threatning you. Its a warning!

ok im sorry you may have been abused as a kid(or still are)by your scum parents but dont blame it on the christians. thats not going to do anything. im just going to go ahead and leave you this number for a child abuse hotline,1-800-4-A-CHILD!

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Give a thread time and a Nazi comparison will always pop up. X¬D

HAHA! Fair enough, but this wasnt a reactioonary accusation. I really meant to show the underlying hatred of one group for another that had no real reasoning. Consider my substitution of the KKK against blacks?

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

ok im sorry you may have been abused as a kid(or still are)by your scum parents but dont blame it on the christians. thats not going to do anything. im just going to go ahead and leave you this number for a child abuse hotline,1-800-4-A-CHILD!



I'm sorry. What?

Just because he disagrees with your fairytale religion he was clearly abused as a child? Get off the crack.

I think a better term for Christianity would be "a myth" rather than "a lie", simply because the people who perpetuate it actually believe it's true. It's people inadvertantly decieving not only others, but themselves, something bigger than just "a lie".

That being said, I don't really know how to work against it anymore than is already being done. Debating fundies doesn't really do much, because in their eyes, they're always right and we're fools, no matter how much their arguments fail logically and how much evidence we have and they don't. Criticizing fundies only goes to serve some sort of victim complex, where they feel that because they are "persecuted" (ie. scrutinized) they are somehow more holy and it just boosts their faith more. The religion has been psychologically engineered to keep people from deconverting; I really think the biggest enemy of Christianity is the passing of time. Sooner or later, people will realize that Jesus simply isn't coming back, and like the old Hellenistic religions and religions before, Christianity will pass away into the mythos where it belongs.

Masta Thief- "ok you act like you are being opressed, how?"

Here's some examples of Christian fascist oppression.

ArgonPlasma2000-"What reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion that Christianity is a lie? Or are you just using it as a scapegoat for your own insecurities like the Nazis to the Jews?"

"HAHA! Fair enough, but this wasnt a reactioonary accusation. I really meant to show the underlying hatred of one group for another that had no real reasoning. Consider my substitution of the KKK against blacks?"

Well isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Both the Nazis and the KKK were Christian organizations.

Some examples of oppression existing here in north america primarily spear-headed by christian organizations would include anti-homosexuality, anti-alcohol, anti-smoking, and the continuing fight against drug policy reform. Chistian backed movements are causing devisions in society and loss of mutual respect that our countries are founded upon. The more that Christians push these agendas, the more our countries will decay. They are creating the problem and offering a solution which increases the problem. Just remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And if you don't think relgion can be used to control. Do to the tensions and civil unrest created by these agendas, the government has seized the opportunity to make those agendas law, furthering their power over the people. So basically, the more things the Christian majority pushes, the greater number of liberties are taken away from the public overall until we're all forced to obey public policy created by the christian majority. This is called oppresstion you fucking ignorant christian motherfuckers. The next steps will include further security measures and eventually tracking chips. If you read the bible, you should pat yourselves on the back cause you just helped the anti-christ and you're all going to burn in hell.

You should read about what comes next in "Satan's handbook to the destruction of the world and damning of souls."

B-Bigotry

I-Intolerance

B-Belligerence

L-Lambasting

E-Entrapment

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

[...]

Well isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Both the Nazis and the KKK were Christian organizations. [...]



Actually the Nazis were Pagan, they merely tolerated Christianity and supported it when it suited them. The KKK are Christian in name only... how one can claim the religion of a Jew while at the same time claiming that Jews are evil is some seriously convoluted logic.

The rest of your post I have no qualms with.

BTW... I am in no way religious, just pointing out a few facts as I see them.

quote:Originally posted by Jove:

Actually the Nazis were Pagan, they merely tolerated Christianity and supported it when it suited them.

This is mostly Christian propaganda. A relative minority of Nazis were Pagan and whether or not Nazis were "true" Christians are not is not any easy thing to get to the bottom of. Hitler himself has identified himself with being a Christian many times, but putting that alongside other statements, it seems he was talking from both sides of his mouth. Stating that Nazis "merely tolerated" Christianity is not a statement that has a lot of evidence going for it.

quote:Alongside the Christian Nazis were a number of anti-Christian Nazis who sought to create a new, neo-pagan religion for the German people. These were, however, relatively few in number and their views were never officially endorsed by the Party or by Hitler.

quote:Isn’t it true, though, that Hitler sought to eliminate churches and Christianity from Germany? It’s been said that Hitler only spoke positively about Christianity in public because he had to in order to maintain support from the German people; in private, he admitted to his true hatred of all things Christian. This view is based upon allegedly private comments recorded in the book Hitler Speaks, but Steigmann-Gall argues that the balance of evidence indicates that these statements are probably forgeries and are regarded as such by many scholars.

quote:The deliberate promotion of pagan beliefs was a minority within the Nazi Party. Alfred Rosenberg favored the creation of a new religion, but Hitler went so far as to threaten to take action against his book Mythus, and it was banned by some lower-ranking party organizations. Himmler was obsessed with ancient Germans, but Hitler dismissed this as ridiculous — and even Himmler insisted that Christian viewpoints be respected within the SS. At times he admitted that he was less anti-Christian than anti-clerical.

One important point about all this which may be missed is the fact that these and other pagan Nazis never pretended to be anything else — they never affected a pro-Christian stance in public in order to win over the approval of the German people. When Nazis were pagan, it appears that they were unabashedly and enthusiastically pagan, without apology.

This makes it difficult to argue that other leading Nazis, like Goebbels, Goering, and Hitler himself, only pretended to be pro-Christian for the sake of public relations. If they had wanted to endorse a new paganism in Germany, they had ample opportunity. Instead, what we have are a few Nazis publicly endorsing paganism, but most Nazis publicly endorsing Christianity and all official party organs endorsing Christianity, right up to the official party platform.

http://atheism.about.com/od/bookreviews/fr/HolyReich_2.htm



quote:Originally posted by Jove:

The KKK are Christian in name only... how one can claim the religion of a Jew while at the same time claiming that Jews are evil is some seriously convoluted logic.

You might as well say that all Christians who dislike Jews or are anti-semitic in any way are "Christian in name only". There is no historical dispute that the KKK started as a Christian only organization and remains so until this day.

Actually, Hitler expresses himself as being quite Christian in his book "mein kampf". He also played that role many more times and has numerous quotes pointing to the fact he was Christian. However, you were probably denied that information because your media is Christian/Jewish controlled, so his Christian beliefs were removed from documentaries to distance Evil Hitler from Christianity. The fact is though, despite Hitlers beliefs, the Nazi movement was a Christian social movement and it gave him the power to go to war. He used it to oppress a minority, and that was my point. And by the way, the church at that time did preach hate towards Jews for many reasons. Jews were never really liked until long after WWII when it became politically incorrect to be racist. Remember, it was only 40 years ago when linching black people was still common and preached in southern churches. The KKK find their support in the bible when it goes on and on about white superiority aswell. The people who ran the slave trade were also supported by the bible when it says that it is acceptable to enslave people as long as it's from an outside nation. The Bible feeds anti-societal thinking and hate. I'd be willing to make a pretty good wager that most of the people who wish to restrict rights of minorities and emminate racism are in church every sunday.

Well I could really care less if he was or not I am just pointing out some things I have discovered. Of course there are allot of books equating Hitler with Christianity, such a position is a favorite among leftists. One could find a plethora of books wherein Hitler is made to look Socialist. Everyone makes up their own mind...

The nazis didnt have a religion!(as far as i kno i think they were athiests) but if they say they were christians then in logic the person who they worshipped was subhuman. Jesus was a jew! which is why christians are the only ones left defending the jews, so any anti-semite can not be a christian

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

The nazis didnt have a religion!(as far as i kno i think they were athiests)

As far as you know? Why don't you share with us what you know about Nazis being atheists?



quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

so any anti-semite can not be a christian

Define Christian for us and then lets see if one can be a Christian and also anti-semitic.

There are many self admitted Christian anti-semites out there. Your statement is idiotic.

Great, so easeoflife22 has absolutely no idea about what he speaks of. To further that, he took my Nazi vs Jew and KKK vs black comment and applied the, ironically enough, the so-called Christian underpinnings of both when my application was merely for the unjustified hatred of one group to the other.

Great job in showing that you cant follow dialogue. Then you even give an acronym for the Bible. Funny as well, because none of those actually fit into the Bible, and can only be substantiated from exceptionally radical Christian groups throughout history.

Ohh, then you say the media is controlled by the Jews. You are a truely sad individual.

quote:Define Christian for us and then lets see if one can be a Christian and also anti-semitic.

For one to be Christian, he must believe that Jesus' death atoned for his sins. For an anti-semite to TRUELY believe in his heart that that is true, is for him to admit that a JEW did something that he could never do.

I submit it is therefore illogical for an antisemite to really become a Christian.

It also doesnt help the fact that the vast majority of Christian churches dont even preach anything more than "God loves you". Is it any wonder that we have so many claiming Christianity when they think that good works get them to heaven, when good works have absolutely nothing to do with becoming a Christian or maintaining salvation?

This post isn't about nazis. Its about how christianity is a lie. Which it is. Its an oppressive lie, a lie, used to oppress. When the dark ages rolled around, and the kings rose, who did they say chose them? God. The first lie of the kings was the lie of "divine right", the "god says I'm king so I'm king". All you fundamentalists out there, get the hell out of the satanic USA and go back to britain/spain/portugal/any other country with a king thats still practicing "true" christianity.

But after the kings came to power and the feudal system arose, life was shit for all the poor-ass peasants who happened to not be loved enough by the all-loving to get a kingdom of bitches for their very own. With the advent of the crossbow, these people had the reason and the means to strike back and take power. But did they? NO, because doing so would mean a place in hell. The lie of God was used to keep the kings in power, and to keep the people down. Religion is inherently a tool of the oppressor. It is simultaneously a jackboot and an opiate, because as it pushes down on the mind, it dulls it into not realizing what could be.

Eventually, the kings got tired with their holy thrones and wanted god to appoint them some more bitches. "Manifest Destiny!" they cried, and out went the ships, to India, to America, to Africa, to all the corners of the world where "enlightenment" had yet to reach. And everywhere, the lie struck, injecting its opiate into the proud kings of africa, who sat on golden thrones envied by the white "kings" and the muslim caliphs. The missionaries turned them against each other and soon a race of kings was a race of slaves. What kept these slaves from revolting? The very conditions in which they lived gave them more strength and stamina than any european. But they were kept down. The boot of God pressed down on them, promising hell if they dissented and heaven as a slave's reward. So they sang in the fields, awaiting the chariot that never came.

The snake injected its venom into the islands of the Caribbean. These natives weren't strong enough for it though, and the venom wiped it out. No crime to rape, murder and torture heathens. Not in the name of the Light.

And those conversions are just the well-known ones. What about Finland and Norway? What about the Norman invasion of the Norselands? The Norsemen had gone where the christians would only go centuries later (the latter being blinded by their "light", for it told them the earth was flat; the norsemen had no qualms about discovery), they had lived to their content, but they soon met conversion at the swords of the Christians. It was that, or die. Many chose the second option.



And now, what is christianity used for? I'll tell you how. Its used by the politicians to keep us from thinking about war when they say "God bless our troops". Its used to indoctrinate little children into ignorance when they're made to say "one nation, under god" starting when they're four years old. Its the divine right all over again. Why shouldn't we spread our way of life all over the world, all over Iraq and Afghanistan, all over Iran and Syria. God endorses our country, he blesses us, but them, they're heathens. We're in a crusade, aren't we? They're training their kids to be holy warriors, so we need to train ours too.

Strength through unity, says the telescreen, unity through faith. You can obliterate religion and worship the State (effectivly getting rid of the middleman) or the State can just become the vendor of God. Thats how totalitarianism forms, because if you put your mind into the state or god doesn't matter, as long as you put your mind somewhere. Work against the lie that is christianity. Work towards self reliance, tolerance, self satisfaction, self worship. You have a mind. Use it, dont' borrow the thoughts of some long-dead deity.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

For one to be Christian, he must believe that Jesus' death atoned for his sins. For an anti-semite to TRUELY believe in his heart that that is true, is for him to admit that a JEW did something that he could never do.

I submit it is therefore illogical for an antisemite to really become a Christian.

Masta Thief's comment was, "so any anti-semite can not be a christian". Whether you find it illogical or not is another matter. There ARE Christians that believe that the death of Jesus atoned for their sins and at the same time anti-semitic. There's no disputing that his comment is bullshit.

Some rationalizations for the non-Jewishness of Jesus:

quote: Was Jesus a Jew?

1. Matt. 2:23 --- Jesus was a Nazarene geographically.

2. John --- The whole Book of John is Jesus telling the Jews that they are not of Him and He is not one of them. http://www.wckkkk.com/bible_study/index.htm

quote:Was Jesus a Jew?

No Jesus is not a Jew, He is God and His Father. http://www.samliquidation.com/waspeterjew.htm

quote:The religion of the Old Testament was not changed by Messiah, but expanded upon. Judaism never was and is still not the religion of the Old Testament... Nor was Jesus a jew... The only faith... in the Bible is the Messianic/Christian faith, not Judaism (which) having come straight out of Babylon, Judaism's blasphemous and God-hating filth is 100% diametrically opposed to all that is right and good. We must have no fellowship with this satanic religion."

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/articles/online_hate/deal_hate1.cfm

quote:Originally posted by midgeymonkey2:



<quote>John7714

Jesus got pissed one day and threw a hissy fit.</quote>



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I couldnt find that quote http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=7&version=31

I'm nto a christian, i just was supprised so looked it up.

quote:Originally posted by xray:

Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

For one to be Christian, he must believe that Jesus' death atoned for his sins. For an anti-semite to TRUELY believe in his heart that that is true, is for him to admit that a JEW did something that he could never do.

I submit it is therefore illogical for an antisemite to really become a Christian.

Masta Thief's comment was, "so any anti-semite can not be a christian". Whether you find it illogical or not is another matter. There ARE Christians that believe that the death of Jesus atoned for their sins and at the same time anti-semitic. There's no disputing that his comment is bullshit.

Some rationalizations for the non-Jewishness of Jesus:

quote: Was Jesus a Jew?

1. Matt. 2:23 --- Jesus was a Nazarene geographically.

2. John --- The whole Book of John is Jesus telling the Jews that they are not of Him and He is not one of them. h ttp://www. wckkkk.com /bible_stu dy/index.htm (http: //www.wckk kk.com/bib le_study/i ndex.htm)

quote:Was Jesus a Jew?

No Jesus is not a Jew, He is God and His Father. http://ww w.samliqui dation.com /waspeterjew.htm (http: //www.saml iquidation .com/waspe terjew.htm )

quote:The religion of the Old Testament was not changed by Messiah, but expanded upon. Judaism never was and is still not the religion of the Old Testament... Nor was Jesus a jew... The only faith... in the Bible is the Messianic/Christian faith, not Judaism (which) having come straight out of Babylon, Judaism's blasphemous and God-hating filth is 100% diametrically opposed to all that is right and good. We must have no fellowship with this satanic religion."

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/articles/online_hate/deal_hate1.cfm (http: //www.medi a-awarenes s.ca/engli sh/resourc es/article s/online_h ate/deal_h ate1.cfm)



Ok, Ill stfu now. KKK has some pretty mean wrangling with the Bible to be able to justify that sort of bullshit.

I was just thinking about something rather amusing. Jesus is an atheist. He believed in no theist god, cause he was god. He actually says in the Bible to not worship him. Technically, christianity was never meant to be and he was trying to start an atheist movement as he told us to do as he did. Therefore Christianity has to be lies. That's why he never had his life recorded first hand and never made any rules to live by. lol.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

I was just thinking about something rather amusing. Jesus is an atheist. He believed in no theist god, cause he was god. He actually says in the Bible to not worship him. Technically, christianity was never meant to be and he was trying to start an atheist movement as he told us to do as he did. Therefore Christianity has to be lies. That's why he never had his life recorded first hand and never made any rules to live by. lol.

Yeah, but he prayed...

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

He actually says in the Bible to not worship him.

Where?

Thats right, its not in the Bible, dumbass.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

I was just thinking about something rather amusing. Jesus is an atheist. He believed in no theist god, cause he was god. He actually says in the Bible to not worship him. Technically, christianity was never meant to be and he was trying to start an atheist movement as he told us to do as he did. Therefore Christianity has to be lies. That's why he never had his life recorded first hand and never made any rules to live by. lol.

^Has never read the gospel.

Just look at Matthew 6. Matthew 6 is a whole lecture by Jesus instructing people how to pray to "the father" (God) and shit like that...totally something an atheist would do...



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I don't like all the Christian bashing. I'm not saying that there aren't a hell of a lot of bitch-ass christians out there, cuz there are. But just because some christians wear their pants up to their nipples doesn't mean they all do.

you could become gay and blow all the preists

Actually you guys are all wrong because Jesus never tells people to worship him. He tells them to simply pray to the Father if they choose to pray, which is totally different.

" 5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. "8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

Now lets recap: It says,"when you pray" which means you don't have to. Then it says do not pray in churches or on streets but only in private. Church violates this." pray to your Father" Notice it's not our father." for your Father knows what you need before you ask him." So basically you don't need to ask. According to the bible prayer isn't mandatory and he doesn't even encourage it, he only states rules if you think you need to. You don't cause jesus said that the father already knows.

Christians are guilty by association. By supporting the church through money, you are supporting all things the church does. Similar to sending money to Al-queada. Any time the church does something bad you are a part of it whether you know it or not. The christian church does a lot of bad.

Example: Christian's Children Fund. The platform is to send money, food, and clothing to Africans in poverty. Reality: Warlords intercept 99% of this aid, keep the money, sell the food and clothes. This allows warlords to continually oppress their peoples and buy more weapons to kill. The Church obviousely knows about it, but doesn't stop the program or look for alternative roots. This points to the Church supporting these people knowingly, which makes sense since most practice black magic and not Christianity in africa.

The Church is basically a psychopath with endless resources to inflict misery and fuck up the world. As soon as you give them one dollar, you're supporting everything they do and you should be held liable for your actions.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

Actually you guys are all wrong because Jesus never tells people to worship him. He tells them to simply pray to the Father if they choose to pray, which is totally different.[...]



You wrote that " Jesus is an atheist"... that statement was plainly wrong.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

Example: Christian's Children Fund. The platform is to send money, food, and clothing to Africans in poverty. Reality: Warlords intercept 99% of this aid, keep the money, sell the food and clothes. This allows warlords to continually oppress their peoples and buy more weapons to kill. The Church obviousely knows about it, but doesn't stop the program or look for alternative roots. This points to the Church supporting these people knowingly, which makes sense since most practice black magic and not Christianity in africa.

Sources?

So basically ease assumes that the chruch as a whole is some conspiring, nefarious organization designed to trick people into giving them money and in turn screwing over their own people....

quote:Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

If you think that you dont need to pray, read this: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/luk011.htm ,specifically 1-10. Jesus doesnt go on a diatribe about not praying, but instead teaches the disciples how to pray.

Context: 1

easeoflife22: 0

You idiots that claim things from the Bible without knowing context or otherwise that contradicts your own accusations make me want to study the Bible more to show how ignorant you are. You are a fool to say that prayer isnt a part of the Christian life when it is integral throughout the rest of the NT.

quote:Christians are guilty by association. By supporting the church through money, you are supporting all things the church does. Similar to sending money to Al-queada. Any time the church does something bad you are a part of it whether you know it or not. The christian church does a lot of bad.

Example: Christian's Children Fund. The platform is to send money, food, and clothing to Africans in poverty. Reality: Warlords intercept 99% of this aid, keep the money, sell the food and clothes. This allows warlords to continually oppress their peoples and buy more weapons to kill. The Church obviousely knows about it, but doesn't stop the program or look for alternative roots. This points to the Church supporting these people knowingly, which makes sense since most practice black magic and not Christianity in africa.

The Church is basically a psychopath with endless resources to inflict misery and fuck up the world. As soon as you give them one dollar, you're supporting everything they do and you should be held liable for your actions.

Looks like someone is bitter in their ignorance. I suppose you have proof of these accusations? I wager you do not.

Nobody else sees the illogical fallicy of Jesus praying since he is part of the holy trinity making him, god, and the holy spirit one. Maybe I should pray to myself and see what myself has to say. Does nobody else see what is wrong with that situation?

The mathew verses depend on how you read them. It actually sounds like Jesus is teaching a metaphorical lesson. Translated to lamen's terms.

Mat6:1 Do not give charity in front of others.

Mat6:2 Do not trumpet your charity for others to hear.

Mat6:3 Do not let others know of your charitable works

Mat6:4 Charity must be given in secret, and god shall reward you openly.(Giving in church is against Jesus' teachings)

Mat6:5 When you pray, do not pray as the hypocrites do openly in their synagogues(churches) or on street corners so other can see them praying.(Jesus tells you not to pray at church or in public.)

Mat6:6 But when you pray, do it in a secluded place in secret and god shall openly reward you.

Mat6:7 When you pray, do not use vain repititions as heathens do, as repeating isn't necessary.

Mat6:8 But don't be like them, as your father already knows what you need.(prayer is useless as god already knows your needs. Remember, all-knowing. Prayer is essentially a slap in Gods face.)

Jove- I'll retract my Jesus was an atheist statement.

Elephantitis Man- My source is first hand accounts of people who've seen this taking place cause they are from Africa. http://tinyurl.com/2z5u6b

See, by maintaining instibility and poverty in Africa, we are able to exploit them to produce cheap goods. In 2005, Nelson Mandela used $70 million to purchase a private jet for himself. In south africa, it was all over the news but the media censors this information from us for obvious reasons, mainly that it is Christian and Jewish controlled.

ArgonPlasma2000- They church doesn't screw over it's own people, it screws everyone else.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

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Jove- I'll retract my Jesus was an atheist statement.[..]

props...

You idiots can just stop posting for three reasons.

1.Argon is owning you.

2.You dont know more about the Bible then Argon.

3.You dont know ANYTHING about the Bible apparently you dont know much about context either.

So where does Jesus say in the bible that the Christians must create a religion around his teachings? He doesn't. He also specifically tells people not to pray in public, or give charity in public, or to tell others of your charity. The Church violates this by holding prayer sessions and having non-private donations. The Church goes against Jesus' wishes, and that's why the Church is a lie. The Church is about power and control of the majorities conscience. This power is a very dangerous weapon to wield and history proves it. If you really want to be a good Christian, use your sundays to help the needy and refuse credit for it. Instead of giving to the church, give it straight to the needy in private and take no credit. You can still pray, but god is all-knowing, so it's useless. The only reason Jesus gives directions to pray is because people were stupid and use to praying, so he gave them an acceptable way to pray so they wouldn't sacrifice animals or people like pagans to pray. Praying however, is unnecessary.

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

So where does Jesus say in the bible that the Christians must create a religion around his teachings? He doesn't. He also specifically tells people not to pray in public, or give charity in public, or to tell others of your charity. The Church violates this by holding prayer sessions and having non-private donations. The Church goes against Jesus' wishes, and that's why the Church is a lie. The Church is about power and control of the majorities conscience. This power is a very dangerous weapon to wield and history proves it. If you really want to be a good Christian, use your sundays to help the needy and refuse credit for it. Instead of giving to the church, give it straight to the needy in private and take no credit. You can still pray, but god is all-knowing, so it's useless. The only reason Jesus gives directions to pray is because people were stupid and use to praying, so he gave them an acceptable way to pray so they wouldn't sacrifice animals or people like pagans to pray. Praying however, is unnecessary.

I'll give you this... if god is omniscient then prayer is in fact superfluous.

quote:Originally posted by Niceguy:

Grow/shave yourself a mohawk.

This pisses off the elderly.

The elderly are more likely to be proper christians.

Therefor, by growing a mohawk, you have just pissed of christians.

Easy

Hmm, come to think of it, you said 'fight the lie'.

In that case, grow a mohawk anyway, pissed off people are easier to ignore.

I like my new mohawk http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

salutations brother! i have a 3 ft mowhawk,quite proud of it.

i haven't read the rest of the thread yet,made it when i was drunk and haven't read all the replies so give me a minute.

quote:Originally posted by midgeymonkey2:

The title says it all.I know i Have free choice,i would have it ,even if it wasn't given to me as a lie of a gift.

I know that christianity is a man-made lie to keep us al in line,and i wish to work against it to free us all and give us all greater will.

any ideas of working against this sick mind fuck are welcomed.also,arguments are welcomed.it makes me stronger.

post here,or email me @ midgeymonkeymonkeymidgey@hotmail.com

<quote>John7714

Jesus got pissed one day and threw a hissy fit.</quote>



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in your thinking all religion is a lie. dont just hate Christianity.

the quote was by a totse user,no a bible quote.sorry for the confusion.

i like the idea of christianity fading away with time,and yeah over the years figured out how fundies work and why to avoid them as friends,as many have done to avoid me as part of the "avoid those who may corrupt you morally" schtick.

no,i was not abused as a child,where exactly did that conclusion come from?or just blind ignorant assumption?

ok im basically gonna *now im sober* say what i obviously didn't properly say when i was shitfaced.

im gonna keep it simple ,aswell,as thinking hurts my brain,hah.

i figured out long ago that christianity was basically just another"facist construct "to keep us all in line.quoting again,free cookie to the sm

nup gotta go fuckin slack but ill come back and edit this later.

Religion doesn't just keep people in line, it consolidates power.